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MrBottle:
Read through the thread......and leave me out of this abeg. I don't care if God exist or not. Honestly I don't.

I kind o like you!

Butterfllylion:
Vaxx go through this


https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a2a902ee4b022ec613b812b/amp

That's an article by a very vocal atheist.

And this


https://amp.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/2iq290/without_god_i_feel_suicide_makes_logical_sense/

Check the comments from atheists there.

First article says believers bully atheist and push them to suicide!

Interestingly enough, one of those reasons is religious believers themselves. We live in a world dominated by people who often fervently believe ancient superstitions and who many times demonize, harass, ostracize, and disown those who lack belief in those ancient superstitions. Atheists on the receiving end of this treatment are understandably stressed and isolated. They often experience anxiety and depression as a result.


And the top comment from the second expresses my sentiments:

Dudesan • Oct 8, 2014, 7:34 PM
I don't understand that line of reasoning. I like being alive.

vaxx:
i am not changing the topic bro. i am only letting you know that both wiki and conservapedia are both subjected to the same standard of citations. yes it is not reliable just like wikipedia.

Not true vaxx. Conservapedia is not subject to stringent peer review and only allow edits that fit in with their fundamental biblical view. Wikipedia requires citations from credible sources and it is peer reviewed. The peers and citation on Conservapedia suck.

vaxx:
where on earth, will he get the stats? How many people are willing to identity themselves as an atheist. And I do not think postmortem can also indicate atheism as the cause of the death. The only evidence the dude can use is the list of prominent people that are actually atheist(well known)and this llist is available online.

If he can't provide stats why make the statement in the first place? Surely the statement must be based on some sort of evidence!

Provide evidence or don't lie!

MrBottle:
Op, for your sake and the sake of your beliefs leave atheists alone. Their logic and intellectual acumen and ability to argue brilliantly will make you question your belief in God.

Those atheist use jujuwords. Very powerful indeed.

Ronpet777:
OK, I get u then. Until now, d Atheism idea has never been clear to me. But maybe I am seeing it from a new pair of spectacles. It still puzzles me how one will not believe in any God. D issue I hv with d idea is that by leaving ur mind blank, u expose it to so much mysteries. D Western world r suffering from this as their freedom from religion is pushing them to perversion. Debasing things like homosexualism, nudity and more hv crept in on them.

First, ones mind is not blank just because one stops believing in gods.

Second, those western world have actually decided that it does not matter if they wash their hands or observe the Sabbath or wear a hijab or not. What's more important is to love ones neighbour whether they are jews, muslims, pagans, atheists, or homosexuals. You would really have to work hard to starve on the streets of London, and no hospital will ask how much you got before they treat your illness. The schools are great too and there is always electric and water. And they donate more to charity and countries in need than Nigeria does!

The law still throws your ass in jail for theft and paedophilia!

OkaiCorne:
Since you have researched into mysticism, have you heard of the Akashic records...or the Urantia papers?

Yes I have. You however have not shown the intellectual capacity for me to discuss such things with, so I will pass. Thanks.

OkaiCorne:
So you are saying no ruins were found in the ocean where Plato described as where Atlantis used to be?

Yes, I am saying no ruins were found in the ocean where Plato described as where Atlantis used to be

Plato was describing what he claimed Critias had heard from his grandfather who had heard it from Solon who heard it from the Egyptians. He hadn't been there or seen it himself nor did he know where it was. Besides, he was used to making things up to make his point. And no ruins have fit the huge city Critias described. And Poseidon and his son Atlas who ruled that city, are mythical.

Please educate yourself Plato's Atlantis

OkaiCorne:
See the flaw in your argument again...you have concluded that something doesn't exist even right from the start point of your argument...

Biko what the heck is Labadangos?

Atlantis once existed but is no more... unless you're waiting for photographs of people that once lived there

Labadangos is a mythical place the size of Nigeria. It was submerged 10,000 years ago off the coast of Lagos. There is no video of it because no one has discovered it yet.

Please note, my research into Atlantis preceded my discussion of it with you. An interest in mysticism would ensure one comes across it as it has been used in mystical allegory. In fact, not understanding that it is mythical and allegorical simply shows you have not got a clue, and if you read my past posts, you would have read of my experience of Tom and Jerry being put forward for talking oyinbo rats!

I watched it. It proposed a theory that is plausible. It is however unlikely, though the references to those rivers in the bible do kind of indicate somewhere around there was meant

OkaiCorne tends to believe these videos, as his post history shows. He treats them like believers treat their holy books and nothing seems to make him want to reconsider. I'd want to accuse him of wasting my data on his nonsense post, except I can afford it. Can't afford the time though, so I'm letting him be soon.

hahn:
Can you please quote where the narrator says "this is proof that this is the location of Eden"

I have already quoted where he said in 2:39 - "He admits his case isn't rock solid but it is plausible" and in 2:49 - "So in theory"

Those are his own words

The video is not assertive

It seems you have a problem listening and understanding

Hopefullandlord, budaatum, Martinez19 and dalaman please watch the video. The narrator does not say authoritatively that is the location of Eden. It is all a bloody theory but this dude just wants to please his emotions and delusion by twisting the words of the narrator

OkaiCorne:
Let me replay your logic for you. Assuming something catastrophic happens and Lagos is submerged in the Ocean...10,000 years after, someone says Lagos never existed, does that make sense to you?

That is in no way my logic! Imagine someone wrote about a place called Labadangos that was submerged 10,000 years ago off the coast of Lagos and said it was the size of Nigeria. Evidence for it, if it ever existed, would not be very hard to find!

No credible evidence has been found for Atlantis!

OkaiCorne:
Discoveries were made of ancient ruins under the sea that fits into what Plato described. You can live in denial of that bro...
Unless you are also insinuating these scientists and discoverers are liars too...

Go and research more on the matter. I am not asking you to believe any Greek gods, but consider the artifacts and other ancient evidences before you conclude on certain issues...

I have investigated this in the past and do not find the evidence for Atlantis to be credible. And I sure considered way more than a youtube video!

Plato described a place as large as Libya and Asia combined. Surely if anything of such a place was found you'd have more to show for it than this!?

Nevertheless, your believes do me no harm. With the information you have digested, I can't expect you to believe otherwise. Let me know if your eyes open to the truth though.

OkaiCorne:
Atlantis is mythical?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcT19bayXyE


I would be happy if all these conclusions are arrived at after thorough research...

Do you know that Atlas was the Titan responsible for holding up the sky on his shoulders to prevent the earth and sky resuming their embracing and copulating?

My dear friend, go read a book please. Start with Homer's Oddyseus. Then advance to Robert Graves Greek Myths. You can then come back and tell me the Greek Gods are real too.

OkaiCorne:
I guess the scientists that come up with findings that challenges your assumptions are all liars abi?

Check your map and tell me where Tigris and Euphrates converge at...
Then read your Bible and tell me where Tigris and Euphrates also converge at...

Since you insist these guys are liars...then prove them wrong with your own research work na...

Once upon a time, even the story behind Atlantis was mythical and a fairy tale too...but now Science has proven it's a reality...

By the way, the author of Genesis is Moses...please do me a favor and tell me he's mythical too...

There is no evidence whatsoever that Moses existed, not to talk of writing anything!

And Atlantis has always been mythical!

Atlantis (Ancient Greek: Ἀτλαντὶς νῆσος, "island of Atlas" is a fictional island mentioned within an allegory on the hubris of nations in Plato's works Timaeus and Critias, where it represents the antagonist naval power that besieges "Ancient Athens", the pseudo-historic embodiment of Plato's ideal state (see The Republic).

I like your responses. Keep it up.

Abdulgaffar22:
Half moon and star symbol placed on the mosques is not a commandment from the Quran or Hadith. But I think earlier muslims took it as islamic symbol because we use lunar calendar which is based on the changing position of moon. Muslims used to face Kaabah,( the house of God in Makkah while praying)Not the sun. The practice of facing the house of God while praying can also be found in 1st Kings 8:22-61, Daniel 6:10, Psalm 5:7, 138:2, Jonah 2:4,7, 2Chronicles 6:38, Exodus 25:8 and 2 Samuel 7:5,13. The muslim act of praying by putting their face on the ground is found in Nehemiah 8:4-6

alBHAGDADI:
The onus is on you to prove that the verse I quoted is a random quote out of context

You don't have the authority to impose an onus on me, especially if you refuse to use your very own ability to reason.

You know very well how to justify similar verses in your bible, simply do the same with your quote from the Quran.

When non-Christians drag up random quotes from the bible and use it to deride Yahweh and call it an incompetent murdering jealous t*wat, you know how you justify its actions, so do the same with your quote below please. I strongly believe you are able to be honest with yourself if you tried really hard.

alBHAGDADI:
You mean Muhammad didn't advocate terrorism? Then he was speaking in the below verse?

Sahih Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'

He not only advocated terrorism but was the number terrorist.

I suspect the more intellectual ones, those who have studied outside the bible, would know. The evidence is compelling and the more one actually understands, the more effective one is in utilising religion. And positively, at that, though negatively too.

The less knowledgeable, those who just believe, well, they just believe, and are probably in the majority.

Then you got those, give me the money, type. They don't know or care whether its true or not, just pay your tithes people!

There's other sorts of course.

godisgood200:
Lol. Abeg carry your warped thinking waka.

What! I was just checking.

godisgood200:
How did God enslave Africans?

God didn't enslave Africans. God didn't kill Jews either.

I just wondered if the enslavement of Africans was part of some god plan too.

What I'd like to sit down and ask is if god had a point to prove with the enslavement of we Africans.

Got any opinions?

godisgood200:
Maybe you shd sit down and ask yourself how it ia possible that a people as hated and mistreated by other humans can still be as strong and formidible as these people. The Jews still controls the world's ecnomy. Do your research. YHWH wanted to proof a point, but you with your small sense can not grasp it.


After all the killing, Israel still emerges at the Top. Leanding to Nations, not borrowing from any.

Yeah, I saw. Good ain't it. Makes me want to become a Unitarian, since I wouldn't have to believe! I'm hoping it would be a lesson to our more fundamental literalists.

Niflheim:
@budaatum,

Did you see what the Unitarian Universalists said about their fellow christians who read the bible literally?


"While most Unitarian Universalists believe that many sacred scriptures convey timeless truths about humans and our relationship to the sacred, [/b]we stand in solidarity with our Christian and Jewish brothers and sisters who do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook.[b] We believe that religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.

Fundamentalists of various traditions, who perceive the science of evolution to be in conflict with their personal religious beliefs, are seeking to influence public school boards to authorize the teaching of creationism. We see this as a breach in the separation of church and state. Those who believe in a literal interpretation of the Biblical account of creation are free to teach their perspective in their homes, religious institutions and parochial schools. To teach it in the public schools would be to assert a particular religious perspective in an environment which is supposed to be free of such indoctrination."


The link:.............................................................http://www.theclergyletterproject.org/Unitarian_Universalists/UnivUnitarianClergyLtr.htm

butterflyl1on:
Ethnic politics! I so so so very much detest it.

Me too. But we do something similar with our religions. Can't think of the right phrase for it though.

butterflyl1on:
The killings began in the days of Jonathan who served from 2010 to 2015. How many DPOs did he query? How many arrests did he authorise? What effort did he make to stop the killings?

He was busy drowning himself in gin and sapele water to know abi? Or was he too focused on the looting spree he and his goons were on?

This I an example of the gods borrowing your mouth. Ignorant people forget this stuff started under JEG.

butterflyl1on:
So in other words I have been talking dumb all this while? Really?

Such graceful words.

No, not all the time. If you always spoke dumb and I bothered listening to you then I would have to be superdumb!

Sometimes you talk dumb, sometimes you're just wrong, and sometimes its like god borrowed your mouth without informing you and words of wisdom spew forth.

butterflyl1on:
Here we go again with the snide remarks. If I really understood what you wrote I ain't as ignorant as I seem?

Really?

Bloody hell man! If you were ignorant, you wouldn't have got this.

There!

butterflyl1on:
Here we go again with the snide remarks. If I really understood what you wrote I ain't as ignorant as I seem?

Really?

Well, we do have history. But seriously, I don't think you are ignorant at all. You just have a bias which you have to defend, which sometimes is intelligently undefendable.

butterflyl1on:
Rephrase your comment about your chess partner. I am not a side attraction.

Please don't put yourself down. No one said you are a side attraction! In fact, you sharpen my mind so I can better engage when he arrives! He is a very good player and I need all the assistance I can get to beat him.

Believe me, if you really understood what I wrote, you ain't as ignorant as you seem.

butterflyl1on:
I am speaking from the angle of the much spoken about influencer of the Big Bang which was how our universe is said to have began. An external immense energy source caused the Big Bang and you are busy saying rubbish

Yeah I said it. You are saying rubbish and you know it

It's ok butter. You are the exception, since I quoted you first. And no, you are not being rude. And I shall assume you at the least understand what you read. So, engage with me. (My chess partner is late!)

I have presented, conditions that may have caused the big bang and the universe as we know it, and I have said you present the 'who' that influenced this creation. I say conditions came about and it happened, and that prior states existed. You say, god said, and there was a bang and it came about out of nothing. That is our sole point of difference, do you agree?

If so, I suggest to you that it need not be a 'who created the universe', question, but a 'what caused it to be created', one, as in 'what conditions came about to cause the universe as we know it to come into existence?

Consider.

butterflyl1on:
So if infinite energy was what brought our universe to be yet we do not have this infinite energy available in our material world and we know that our universe began to exist at some point. This means that what caused our universe to exist by the application of energy infinite energy was not part of our universe but impacted it from outside it.

Energy did not bring the universe into existence. To say so is to adopt theistical language and imply energy is some sort of creating force, which is anthropomorphised into a 'who' which encourages the insertion of the gods. I suggest it is more accurate to say, 'energy was expended in bringing the universe into existence', and is therefore a consequence of the universe coming into existence, as opposed to it's driving force.

There's nothing to say that, a condition came about whereby built up pressure (which is part of the system itself, and not external to it), of existing materials prior to conversion to the current state, created a condition whereby energy was expended, which resulted in the big bang (waste material like that exhausted during combustion), and the formation of universe as we know it.

Effectively, the universe, albeit in a state prior to its current known state, is eternal, as in, it has always existed in some form or the other from which the current state has evolved.

There therefore is no beginning, per se, but a beginning of the current state of existence which proceeded from the previous state, which might have proceeded from a previous state and so on. Who says regressions must be finite?


If any one quotes me on this, you better make sure you know what I'm saying, if anything, as far as you are concerned.
I'd respect you more if you say it's rubbish!