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Kobojunkie:
So, Yes, children are gods but they are also slaves/servants who are expected to do the bidding of their master or face the eternal consequence of rejecting the command given them.

Guess you can aka children to slaves for yourself, but for many, slaves are not children, and slaves are definitely not gods.

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying!

Those who are classified as gods as the same who are submitted to God as His servants aka slaves.

I'll take it that aka is how you choose to understand it. For me, there's a difference between a slave relationship and that of a child, and I'd be wary of anyone who aka's them.

Kobojunkie:
This seems yet another attempt to pick a verse out of context to assert a meaning not intended by the speaker.
From the above we see two things. Those to whom the statement "you are gods" applies are

▢ those who are under God's Law
▢ and received God's message aka live their lives in submission and obedience to God's Will rather than theirs.

I have no argument there, as the "Ye are Gods" was to show that different relationship do exist than "slaves of God".

For those who arrive here, my point is twofold.

The first being that the God we read about in the Holy Bible uses everyone and everything regardless of belief.

The second is that your own personal relationship with God will differ if you aka yourself to be a slave of God or a servant of God or a child of God.

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry, but I am not that jobless!

It is not "jobless" to reflect on one's understanding, for that is how you'd learn.

Kobojunkie:
Are you attempting to argue with the dictionary on the definition of the word Slave or what?

If anything, I am discussing with you your own understanding of what you read in the dictionary and in Scripture.

Kobojunkie:
The point here is Scripture has it that

▢ Only those who submit and obey the Will of God go on to become Children of God aka slaves/servants of God .

That is the point of the Scripture you wish to select and how you wish to understand it, since some would not aka "Children of God" to "slaves of God" to "servants of God".

▢ Those who have nothing to do with God at all live out their lives as sons of men.

Are you willfully ignoring the fact that God might choose to have quite a lot to do with these so called sons of men, whom, because they do not willingly submit, fit the definition of slave that you posted?

Kobojunkie:
Is this selective blindness or something?

Well, let's check and see, shall we?

slave
/slāv/

1.● a person who is forced to work for and obey another and is considered to be their property; an enslaved person.

While it can be argued that God must own all that is created, God does not force anyone to work. You are given freewill to choose.

It can also, note, be argued that God may use it's creatures against it's creation's will, like a tool.

● a person who works very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation.

"Everlasting life" is renumeration from God that no one is forced to work very hard for, and it's not the only renumeration and appreciation God blesses with neither.

● a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something.

And this is precisely why slavery it is not, since no one in their right senses is "excessively dependent upon or controlled by something", or they'd be those for whom manna falls from heaven.

● an ant captured in its pupal state by an ant of another species, for which it becomes a worker.

We are discussing humans, I hope.

Kobojunkie:
Why should those who don't believe be considered slaves of a God they don't serve?

I feel certain that a God who created everything and everyone would find a way to make all it's creatures serve it regardless of their belief, or the unbelieving trees and the animals wouldn't serve it, and I'd argue they do.

Kobojunkie:
When instead it is those who are children of God that are called to live as slaves of God?

This last bit is your own selective understanding I'd say, because there are many verses in the book that would enable some to choose to be children rather that slaves, and even verses that would make some choose to be gods.

Kobojunkie:
Really?
Slave

"A person who is forced", is not "willingly submitting".

And I doubt you'd want to argue that Jesus was forced.

Kobojunkie:
You submit your will to the Will of God. And you do God's Will rather than
your will, same as Jesus Christ did. Aren't the answers here obvious?

A slave does not submit, junkie. Slaves are compelled against their will, unlike Jesus who willingly submitted like a child or some one who buys in would.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid I do not follow at all.

Why should those who don't believe be considered slaves of a God they don't serve when instead it is those who are children of God that are called to live as slaves of God?

I'm hard to follow, as you well know.

Who is doing your "considering"? You, or God who would use believers and unbelievers regardless of their considering?

And why would children of God consider themselves slaves of a God they refer to as Father?

You had to go through this because you don't seem to have learnt to use the brain inside your head. And you will continue to go through more of this until you learn to use the brain inside your head.

Domaining101 is planning to rape in advance and is posting about his planned rape on a public forum for all to see and testify against him when he's caught.

Staywithbina:
they transferred those money to PalmPay accounts and PalmPay after being contacted by their customer care ain’t helping ,either is jiji

Sorry for your plight.

What is police doing about this?

basilico:
Is it your position that vaccines are extremely safe and have not caused any casualties fatal or life changing?

You still wasting your time peddling this your crap even after the vaccine you had hasn't killed you?

Vaccines have caused casualties and changed lives, and they have reduced the deaths from COVID too, but I doubt you can get your head around that paradox.

basilico:
I take it from you that the vaccine never killed a single person. Is that your unequivocal stand?

You make up stands that fit the moment, so this is no surprise. Did vaccines not save anyone your stand?

basilico:
Are you implying Trump was lying when he praised the vaccines?

If Dump praised the vaccine you claim killed people, one of you must be lying or dump is a killer.

basilico:
Pfizer lied people died Fauci lied.People died.


Whom am I likely to believe first?

Dump, of course.

basilico:
Show me the man I show you the crime.
Josef Stalin ( Or some Nazi guy).

Same naziguy dump would quote too and why the supremacists love him.

Obrigardo:
Criminal trump will be a convicted felon before the elections and he'll probably go to jail and die there.

Is basilico loco so confident on where is servitude lies?

Coz I once was there in that conspiracy hole, I even helped the widespread of the idea of Illuminati through vigilantcitizen and nl many years ago before it became a thing.
I was drenched in it. But when I realised the truth I was so ashamed of what I'd done. I'm still building the relationships I destroyed when I was still like basilico loco.
So imagine when criminal trump gets eventually shattered and loco can't take it anymore.
I feel pity for him.

You were once loco like basilico?

Gives me hope bas too might someday see the light since he's just about not stupid enough to put money behind his kraken.

Maynman:
Awesome.

You must not forgive me for saying "sitting on a bud". Lol.

You and I must someday review how our relationship got where it's currently at so we may learn for the future.

Maynman:
The society has been indoctrinated with the ceramic way of life, that's, in thinking the universe was molded by a Potter, Buddha's teaching will rattle the society especially the West.

It already has. Church of England schools have been teaching Buddhism (and Hinduism and Islam amongst others) for decades now and don't indoctrinate with belief anymore. We are just waiting for the teachings to be exported to the masses elsewhere.

Maynman:
💯, Reminds me of an article I wrote about the Crowd, "The more you become one with the crowd, the less your feeling of responsibility and answerability."
https://www.nairaland.com/7881371/crowd

Years ago we used to illustrate it with Plato's allegory of the Cave. It correctly describes why Jesus got crucified, which is one reason I prefer smarter Buddha for not 'dying for anyone', though I must recognise that a society struggling to understand the Bible can not possibly be ready for the copious amount of Dhamma that exists.

Jewel4:
Things we love to see.
God bless the giver and the receiver

And God bless you with even more wisdom.

Maynman:
Yeah, I think people find it easier to believe someone died for their sins than to actually love their neighbor.

Many would rather others be responsible for them and their actions than they be responsible for themselves and their actions. Guess that's why some are here being responsible by teaching them to be responsible for themselves.

And when they truly learn what Jesus is written to have taught, they'd not be created from mud to be ignorant naked slaves, but in God's image to rule and subdue and multiply and replenish.

feedthenation:
---Donald Trump’s statement on the retirement of his good friend Kevin McCarthy---still pending---

I too wish all dump's statements were like this.

Maynman:
Jesus message was straightforward, and his yoke/yoga is easy indeed, his whole message is summarized in john 15:17.

Can't argue with John 15:17, since it's what I sign.

Love one another! They that sayeth they are in the light and hateth another remaineth in darkness. Human Rights

Can't say it's "easy indeed" though, since it's not what is learnt by most despite all its teaching in just about every religion worth its salt.

Kobojunkie:
Not all who believe are children of God. Rather, it is those who go on to become that are.
The right to become something does not bestow on one the title itself. Rather it bestows admission into the process to earn the particular title.

Those who don't believe must be slaves of God, since we are told God created all.

A 21st Century rewrite of the same verse would strip out the fabu and go something like:

For some humans so loved the world, that they wrote about an only begotten Son's understanding of the Word that had been previously written, that whosoever learneth from it and him should not perish too quickly, but shall live longer than those who don't.

The pity is failing to understand the role of Mary in teaching Jesus to read, which is similar to failing to see how Eve freed Adam from slavery.

MaxInDHouse:
Let's talk about humanity i believe there's good reasoning in that.
Our thinking may differ due to upbringing but when we talk about humanity in general we'll both agree on what is beneficial to all!

MaxInDHouse:
This is what i expected from you if truly you're ready to discuss outside fairytale books just as you claim.

Please don't mention anything found in religious books since you and i want to discuss without having to relate with them.
Can you do just that?

Commendable challenge deserving of a thread.

Pity the atheists here are not up to it and would rather resort to insults!