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InfinityFabric:
Like this https://www.nairaland.com/7017391/traveled-village-get-wife-got.

God, please give this person many daughters so he can marry them all off in his village. Amen.

Nastymods:
majority isa think so ita must ah be correct. donkey ye

Yes actually.

Unless you live in antidemocratic Afghanistan where you impose your rule, it's Roe v Wade, decided by a majority.

Or is democracy nasty to you?

Spin this however straight you want to justify your supposed righteousness, diss, the facts remain that in the majority of countries on earth abortion is not murder.

DissTroy:
No. You are manufacturing arguments.

Let's get this straight:

According to Budaatum, a foetus - a living being- with its own tissue and forming organs is nothing more than an extension of his mother? It's nothing more than a vestigial organ that can be cut away or sliced according to the mood of his mother, yes?

By implication, a child is nothing more than a disposable property of its mother so she can kill or enslave him if she likes?

So, let's say a wombed child and his mother are Siamese twins; so Siamese twins are not individuals and one twin treated like an organ?

Where do you manufacture your facts from?

Budaatum, is a foetus a living or a dead thing with different DNA?

Yes or no? Just answer this before the elongated replies.

DissTroy:
Many women having indiscriminate sex just wake up to abort. What's the justification for that?

Diss the lies you tell yourself to blind yourself to reality. But let's do the maths, shall we.

"Women having indiscriminate sex", like twice a year and get pregnant, diss, or more? Let's say twice a year. So two abortions a year for one woman. You believe that, diss? For a "women having indiscriminate sex"?

If she don't like having indiscriminate sex, perhaps, but if she did like having indiscriminate sex, she's more the type to not get pregnant in the first place, unless you are working on the idea of her having lesser brains too.

DissTroy:
The foetus is a human life!

Who are you to try to impose this on those who don't agree with it?

And where did you learn that the foetus is not getting its human life from the human body it is in?

LordReed:
Don't you think that this is evidence of the failure of belief? He believes in a god that hates sin yet lies so readily.

I'd say it is. People usually believe things they know nothing about, and the fact they believe stops them asking and knocking and seeking because they believe they already know, which they obviously don't.

Thankfully, ignorance can not overcome Light.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2021/09/24/knows/

ANTIlSLAM:
Bad translation for a Quran verse as if I am the author.. Goan sleep jare

You, wake up and improve the quality of your reading, and your understanding.

backbencher:
The thing is

1.Nigeria cannot afford subsides on petroleum. Unless we tax far more than the number of people we tax in this country.

2.Subsidies are why we have bad refineries in the first instance. Sell petrol at a loss, pay a subsidy that does not cover the loss, and the refineries lose money, and then break down, with sabotage and corruption finishing the job.

3. As much as we all hate the idea of expensive petrol, the only way to let the refineries work well...the modular refineries, is to allow them sell the petrol they make there at a profit.

4.Paying subsidies amounts to making the refineries sell petrol at a loss, and then pay them money called subsidy that barely or does not cover the loss due to a host of factors.

5.Call me a Buhari supporter, or a hater of the masses, or someone who loves dogs......modular refineries are a business. And the best way to run businesses is not to subsidise them into losses...so that we can buy fuel at N40 and be happy. People have to be paid for making the fuel available from the refineries.

Backbencher, in my day this was form 3 Economics, and had been alluded to with "Mr Giwa was a trader" in primary school when "his shop was full of things to sell".

Did they abolish 'supply and demand', and 'price elasticity', when the current forms were abolished?

Your tenacity delights!

Courz:
How are you different from the Freemasons when you use their terms?

Same way many use the term, "Lord Lord", but gnash their teeth, Courz.

Maynman:
This makes zero sense, you are a laughing stock and a shameless liar. You have your own book that you authored right? Where Socrates met Paul

Just look at what religion is doing to you, no integrity, no shame.

I beg sympathy for him. I don't think he lies, he just does not know what the truth is being his brain has been religio-washed right out of his head.

Dt, tell us you a a lawyer, as you do. It shows how far you've fallen

AmazonTopaz:
The new GQP agenda this midterm is to attack the LGBTQ community especially trans people

Missouri is proposing a bill to ban women from getting abortions outside the state.

This attack on people's liberties from the so-called party of liberty is alarming.

I have been saying this since the time of agent orange that the modern republican party has no platform apart from culture wars but expect poor illiterate dummies to keep voting them in.

I hope they come out midterm with all guns blazing so the entire world could see their spots.

DissTroy:
Abortion is valid only when the mother's life is threatened. It's not murder but the humane choice.

If someone points a gun at you and keeps shooting and the last option to neutralize him is to kill him, you didn't commit murder. You were defending your life.

The foetus threatening the mother's life isn't murder.

Murder occurs when malicious intent is established.

What "malicious intent is established", diss, when someone aborts, and in what country?

Seriously, you have no shame!

Dtruthspeaker:
Satanson, Truth in your hands and your father, Satan's hand are always a Lie, So is using the Word and Truth of God in your hands as your father did, is also a Lie.

So get thee out, son of satan!

Dtruthspeaker:
I have my own books but Google has something on close to one of them, which I also have "Socrates Final Speech, Death before Dishonor"!

Only you have your "own books" and you want us to believe you because you are d truth speaker, right?

DissTroy:
In today's world of advanced medicine, abortion should only be when the foetus threatens the mother's life healthwise or in cases of rape, else it is murder. There are contraceptives to use.

No matter how you spin it, if you take a life for no justifiable reason at its basics, you are a murderer.

According to you perhaps. There are many countrys on this planet earth where you'd find it impossible to charge one for it, that's for sure, and you ain't anyone's god, disstroy.

But see what you did there. Not a murderer if, "only be when the foetus threatens the mother's life healthwise or in cases of rape", lol.

elated177:
If there is any shame anywhere, it is on you, Budaatum.

You quoted from Corinthians and still flew off the handle because I qouted from the books of Exodus and Deuteronomy. Isn't YHVH Almighty the Owner of the three books?

He is the beginning and the end. There is nothing you or anyone else will that will have ever any bearing on this unimpeachable truth.

I'm not flying off any handle, Elated. Every word I write, think love, and you might see humour, after all, this is not the first time you and I have conversed, so you know flying off the handle is not exactly my thing.

One thing you need to understand is that others have minds with which they reason too, then might you understand that "He" is your beginning and your end. Others might see things different to how you do.

I, for instance, don't particularly care what anyone's God does or doesn't do, but if my God is a God that "repays destruction to the face not slowly of those who hate it", I might "repay destruction to the face not slowly of those who hate" me, instead of turning the other cheek to those who hate me, which I think is much better behaviour, for me, and more especially, for my God if I had one I bowed down and worshipped.

But that's me. I have found it more loving to turn the other cheek than to "repay destruction" because nobody hates buda.

Besides, wasn't an eye for an eye abolished?

I love you Elated.

Someone reminded me of a thread. It pretty sums ones attitude to "repay destruction to the face not slowly of those who hate it" gods.

https://www.nairaland.com/4655673/what-atheism/1#70017953

basilico:
disstroy, ono, benalvino,.raumdeuter, obixcel (sp)

It appears that we are being forced into a corner of the extreme left mindset. But we have refused to be caged in there.

Awhh. The whole world is caging poor victim bas.

You must be weak to be forced into a corner, thank Gott!

Emusan, watch the video below. In the first couple of minutes, JW is described as a Masonic religion, which kind of debunks your "a few at the top claim" you've been making for the op.

As for the rest op, what you choose to believe is of no importance to buda so buda rests.

Courz:
This is what I hate about humans. Sometimes, critical thinking skills can be lacking when it is TRULY needed. Since you are all about debunking, here is a Freemason's Rebuttal to Lloyd Evans video you posted:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh96OUVk8wg

Watch it and get some Re-education. Since this is the guy you're basing your argument on, why should ONE MAN be the basis for conclusion? I have posted several testimonies from different people. These different people cannot be WRONG especially if some of them are FREEMASON WHISTLEBLOWERS!! This is the MAIN REASON WHY JWS ARE WARNED BY WATCHTOWER NOT TO VIEW SITES ON THE INTERNET!!!!

And by the way, that man has been exposed to be involved in underage trafficking. He has also been pointed to be Secretly working for Watchtower by secuirity agents in order to cause confusion in The EXJW community. The very moment he debunked the Freemason connection is the day people began to suspect him because people have ALREADY been WARNED that Watchtower has agents online. His Youtube channel only appeals to Atheists. ExJWs that are christians have other channels they view that go in depth into the Freemason links. This info didn't surprise me because a Freemason has also said that her father, being a freemason, USED TO PAY AND ORGANISE HOMELESS PEOPLE TO PROTEST CLOSE TO THE WATCHTOWER HEADQUARTERS in order to give the public, especially JWs, the wrong impression about EX members, that they are wretched and frustrated people. And they the freemasons would laugh about it in private. This is just to tell you what this CULT is CAPABLE OF TO CONTROL INFORMATION.

backbencher:
I daresay that the fees were not increased to meet up with increasing populaiton...plus...free school means no money to pay for Sunday lunch and boarding school.

Fees were abolished in the region formerly known as Western, and there was no money to pay teachers even, so they resorted to Corpers who have no knowledge nor experience of teaching, and out entire education has gone downhill ever since.

9jayes:
Aregbe is the next president after Buhari, mark this comment

Vote for Aregbe and enjoy half salary every other month just as was enjoyed when that O-Thief was our governor.

Okerenla:
https://www.newsindicator.com.ng/2022/03/06/osun-economy-and-why-electorate-must-keep-faith-with-oyetola/

Osun economy and why electorate must keep faith with Oyetola

By Adebayo Adedeji

Some three years ago, in the early life of this administration, this writer predicted that Osun state was likely to face economic challenge considering large chunk of its federal allocation deducted to settle loans obtained by the previous governments in the state. As at November 2018 when the current government was inaugurated, the debt stock of the state was in the range of N270bn. This included the financial commitment not captured by the Debt Management Office of Nigeria. This was the total debt left behind by the Rauf Aregbesola-led government, even though it inherited merely N15bn debt in November 2010 when it came on board.

In the first two years of the Oyetola administration, an average sum of N2.4bn was deducted from its monthly allocation to service inherited debt. Funds due to the administration to execute its numerous lofty programmes are taken at source to service debt owed by the defunct government. Whereas during the reign of Rauf Aregbesola, the average statutory gross allocation to the state government was N50bn. Specifically, in 2013, its gross allocation was N55bn. Meanwhile in 2019, during Oyetola governornship, the Net that actually came to the state was paltry N24.2bn even though the allocated gross was N51.9bn. The balance of N27.7bn was deducted to service inherited debt. This same time, Oyo State went home with N55bn, Ekiti State with N41bn and Ogun State with N38bn.

This is the precarious situation in which the current government has fared in the last 39 months. Nevertheless, the administration has discharged its responsibilities creditably. From N10.5bn Internally Generated Revenue (IGR) it met at inauguration, the administration has worked assiduously to move the IGR to N19.5bn in 2020. In fact, the IGR for Jan-June 2021 was N13.5bn, while the unofficial record indicated it ballooned to close to N30bn for the whole year of 2021. The government of the day is still able to meet its statutory obligation because of the exemplary leadership Governor Oyetola has provided in the state as shown through IGR improvement.

How would the state have survived the depleted federal allocation without a financial engineering that led to a substantial leap in its IGR?

Still and all, unless the state government sustains its drive towards financial prosperity, where the state could meet its obligation with less or no recourse to the federal allocation, it may be contending with crises in the immediate future.

The distributable federal allocation for the month of January ( but shared in February) is an indication that there is a fire on the mountain because the allocation accruable to states dipped to a four-year low. Unlike in December 2021 when N699.82bn was disbursed, only N574.66bn was disbursed in January of this year. The sharp drop in the allocations follows the Federal Government's announcement of its plans to deduct N950bn for the payment of fuel subsidy allocations due to States in 2022. If the situation persists, many states, particularly grossly indebted states like Osun, would find it difficult to pay salary and pension of their workers because about 35% of what should be available to them would be sized down for subsidy payment. For January, Osun state, for example, was allocated N1.425bn but the sum of N1.8bn was deducted to service its loan. What this means is that the state did not only receive nothing in allocation, it also recorded a negative of N375m which would be carried forward in the next distribution.

Graciously, what the state has going for it is the financially studded team which has brought its experience to bear in administering the state economy. The Oyetola-led government is a clear departure from what we used to have in the state when, even in the season of anomy -- when the government could not pay salary and pension -- over N500m was voted for callisthenic display during the Children's Day. The current government is plugging leakages and freeing up resources to finance its projects. There is no part of the state that has not felt its impact in the areas of infrastructure, primary healthcare centres, wealth creation, and food support scheme that has catered for no fewer than 330,000 people since inception in April 2021.

Oyetola government is reputed for prompt payment of salary and pension. Since inauguration, it has committed about N160bn to resolve salary, pension and gratuity obligations. This is as it has coughed out about N75bn to offset part of the N270bn debt it inherited. No state in Nigeria, besides Lagos, has a better record than this in the period under review.

Governor Adegboyega Oyetola has given a good account of himself. And with him in the saddle for another four years, the resources of the state can be put into better use. The financial challenge ahead of all states in the country -- the challenge of dwindling resources in the face of rising expenses -- calls for deft administrators with deep financial understanding in the mode of current Osun governor, who before coming into public life, had top-notch experience working in the private sector. It is logical he is allowed to steer the affairs of the state further, most especially when the touted replacement for him in the opposition party is an haphazardly educated power monger who could barely read and write. Committing the future of Osun state in the hands of an empty head who does not know the difference between Copyright and Piracy may be suicidal. Osun should not toil with its future by installing a nondescript loafer whose only job experience outside family business and influence was working as a bartender in some backend restaurants in the United States.

Oyetola deserves the second term and, in my humble opinion, he should get it. Sincerely, he should.

elated177:
This is love, Budaatum.

That is your love, elated, or the love your God has for you or what your God will do to those who hate your God, but buda does not hate your God elated, and buda is not a god, just a mere human being, so buda just loves elated whom buda sees before buda, and not some "repay destruction to the face not slowly of those who hate it" God.

And if your God decides buda hates it and therefore must repay buda with destruction, the mere fact that buda turns the other cheek to your God will stay the hand of your God, elated, which is why buda fears no evil of anyone's God, and that apart from the fact, I repeat, I do not hate your God, elated. Note!

Seriously! I can't believe you'd threaten buda with that outdated destructive God. Shame on you!

The fox in the Chicken pen!

Great pity he can't run for President of Nigeria.

elated177:
Judges 16: 15 Then she said to him, “How can you say, ‘I love you,’ when you won’t confide in me? This is the third time you have made a fool of me and haven’t told me the secret of your great strength.” 16 With such nagging she prodded him day after day until he was sick to death of it.

Some may even call what transpired above love.

Some call murder love, and some steal in the name of their God, so what's your point, elated?

Is the above love, to you, or has buda made a fool of you, where?

To be announced.

Answer to Are there Jehovah's Witnesses who are Freemasons? by Shawn Bell
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-Jehovahs-Witnesses-who-are-Freemasons/answer/Shawn-Bell


Charles Taze Russell's Use of Masonic symbolism

Some have claimed that various symbols Russell employed in his published literature are Masonic in nature, and that such associations implied he engaged in occult activity. In later editions of the Studies in the Scriptures series a winged solar disk was stamped on the front cover, a symbol that is also associated with Freemasonry.

However, Russell's use of the winged solar-disk originated from his understanding of Malachi 4:2, which denotes a sun with wings, as a symbol that Christ's millennial Kingdom had begun to emerge. Some critics also claim that the pyramid that stood near Russell's gravesite was Masonic because of its shape and its use of the Cross and Crown symbol, although this remains disputed. The Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon has said that Russell was not a Freemason, and notes that the symbols pre-date the fraternity.

In June 1913, during a transcontinental speaking tour, Russell lectured in a Masonic hall in San Francisco, saying:

Although I have never been a Mason ... Something I do seems to be the same as Masons do, I don't know what it is; but they often give me all kinds of grips and I give them back, then I tell them I don't know anything about it except just a few grips that have come to me naturally.

Throughout his ministry he said that he believed Christian identity is incompatible with Freemasonry. He described Freemasonry, Knights of Pythias, Theosophy, and other such groups as "grievous evils" and "unclean".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fmCqOB1SFE

elated177:
Amongst other things such as?

How is love expressed?

Elated. Watch buda express love for you and learn.

Love one another!

They that sayeth they are in the light and hateth another remaineth in darkness.

Human Rights

ParpahSeventy:
At this stage gentleman, I feel am done with you.
Have a good day ahead.

And a good ahead to you too, Sir.

Emusan:
I don't think he claimed ordinary JWs like MaxinDHouse is a member of Freemason, in fact, Courz made a statement at the second page of this thread that an average JWs aren't Freemason but about 20% are and the OP specifically stated that some Governing Body are which is very clear that these are about individuals.

So what I don't get in this whole thing is how you Budaatum change the narration to the WHOLE BODY

Sorry for that, just having my free time here

First, a simple research of the ops so called evidence shows its spurious second hand information that has been repeatedly debunked, as you'd find if you do a titsy bit of unbiased searching, which is to be expected of the intelligent who use their own minds instead of stupidly believing whatever suits their bias.

Secondly, if 20% of JWs are Masons, Emusan, they'd take over the entire JW! In fact, just 3% of Masons will take over the entire JW organisation and everyone outside would know of it because JW won't be the JW you know.

JW to Freemasonry, is like, Islam to Oyedepo. And while I'm not certain Oyedepo might not one day preach from the Quran or the entire JW top body promote Freemason for that matter, I doubt very much that Masons would ever preach JW as it just completely opposes Freemasonry.

Freemasonry is an organisation that grew out of the organising of builders of buildings that could take up to 500 years or more, so you might perhaps see how some might adopt some of its ideas into organising their organisations regardless of your god, which is why they adopt GADU to cover everyone. Masons will tell you the work is plenty and the builders are few so it would be stupid to exclude anyone who can build just because they turn East and you turn West, while JWs requires ready to die loyalty to the Tower.

Anyway. There is a reason you and I discuss as little as we do despite us both being very active on here, but God made you quote buda so much in this thread for rectification. Amen.

As to "having my free time here", please accept buda's sincerest encouragement to enjoy your free time.