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KnownUnknown:
You can't use you and I as examples because the relationship between us doesn't equate the relationship between the lord and the inhabitants of the garden. Besides the lord said, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” The bolded being a warning about the harm the fruit would cause.

KnownUnknown:
Personification as in giving them human/animal characteristics and telling stories about them.

KnownUnknown:
Just like you made them slaves even though the text doesn’t call or imply slavery,

KnownUnknown:
Personifications of the stars , planets, and the "chaos" they sprung from.

KnownUnknown:
It “means grasping the actual meaning and intents if the authors” regardless if it’s 2000 or 3000 years. Anything short is just your interpretation.

KnownUnknown:
Sorry. Dot the sky. Stars and planets as in the mythical genii of the stars and planets are the lord, gods,etc

KnownUnknown:
You act as if you didn’t make up the slave part in your head.

KnownUnknown:
Yes, they did eventually die regardless if its 800 or 8000 years. Just like you made them slaves even though the text doesn’t call or imply slavery, I can make up slow acting poison that killed them 800 years later.
Besides, this is not my interpretation of the story. I’m just doing the same thing you do.

KnownUnknown:
Your interpretation is we known in this forum.

KnownUnknown:
The lord made clothes for them to clarify. But they did get smarter if leaves are better than bare bottoms.

KnownUnknown:
Understanding just means grasping the actual meaning and intents if the authors.

benalvino3:
So in other words they will use nuke on another nation?

oluwaahmed:
The old testament is even worse than the new testament. An almighty God requiring animal sacrifice, what make him dfr from Ogun? Or sango? He orders his children- israel ......

KnownUnknown:
I never said anything you are claiming. I didn't tell you not to call it understanding so why are you up in arms because I called it your interpretation when you can't show your interpretation to be the intended meaning anyway.

KnownUnknown:
What do you mean understanding?

KnownUnknown:
We weren't discussing God and topics often veer of the OP so don't act brand new. I asked specifically about the lord you referred to in your response to me not any god. And you did say “nothing in particular” but if you mean God, fine.sky.

KnownUnknown:
Luminaries as in the orbs that doth the sky.

KnownUnknown:
You are the one treating your interpretation like a fact so maybe you're believing like ignorant Adam.

I can say it was poison in the fruit that triggered the decay that eventually killed them just like you can say that they were slaves in the garden to prove your point.

KnownUnknown:
Isn't the above supporting the claim that's its an allegory for pursuing knowledge/wisdom?
The story is also more than the eating of the fruit but your interpretation doesn't take that into account. Also, she saw that it was desirable for gaining wisdom prior to eating it.

KnownUnknown:
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

KnownUnknown:
We weren’t discussing Adam and Eve when we first mentioned the Lord and the “nothing in particular” definition can’t work in the Adam and Eve story.

The luminaries.

benalvino3:
If they ever use nuke on any nation then why do they have nukes? To blow up asteroid?

benalvino3:
Budaatum replying to your wiki quote

Until then, Ukraine had the world's third-largest nuclear weapons stockpile,[3][4] of which Ukraine had physical but no operational control. Russia controlled the codes needed to operate the nuclear weapons through electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system, although from 1992 Ukraine had physical access to some of the warheads but no ability to launch them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

benalvino3:
Also to the wiki quote, england and the USA promise Ukraine they would protect them if they give up their nukes

benalvino3:
Facts remain, its the nuke that is keeping some countries out of the other.

benalvino3:
Japan only surrendered when they saw the damage of the nukes.

Hitler does not have nukes, it is easy to confront him. Thats my point. If russia does not have nukes, the US wont sanction them,they will be bombing them as they have done to other nation that does not have nukes. All this one you are saying support ukraine is getting is nothing new. Iraq got support from anti war protesters all over the world against the US. The guys who usually bomb always get the protest against them.

If US want to really do something, they should do like the British did in 1942 to help poland.

Two Western powers, the United Kingdom and France, gave guarantees to Poland that they would declare war if Polish independence came under threat, as presented in a statement to the House of Commons by the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain on 31 March 1939 (formalized by the British on 6 April 1939; not ratified until 4 September 1939 by the French):

... in the event of any action which clearly threatened Polish independence, and which the Polish Government accordingly considered it vital to resist with their national forces, His Majesty's Government would feel themselves bound at once to lend the Polish Government all support in their power. They have given the Polish Government an assurance to this effect. I may add that the French Government have authorised me to make it plain that they stand in the same position in this matter as do His Majesty's Government.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_declaration_of_war_on_Germany_(1939)

KnownUnknown:
What is religious ignorance?

KnownUnknown:
Understanding the allegory is the cure to the blindness.

KnownUnknown:
Things fall apart does not represent the foundation of religious belief and it doesn’t fal under the confusion of allegory or literal classification.

KnownUnknown:
They can be slaves or freemen. Makes no difference as long as you don’t insist that your interpretation is right, which you’ve argued with people about.

KnownUnknown:
Neither were using their senses if you are referring to critical thinking because they are both presented as simpletons to be commanded.

KnownUnknown:
The fruit could as well have been poisoned. It could have triggered the decay that eventually killed them.

KnownUnknown:
It’s not like they got smarter after eating the fruit.

KnownUnknown:
So one can say that the fruit was poisonous and that Eve clearly wasn’t “using her senses”.

KnownUnknown:
Okay. No need for lords and gods.

benalvino3:
Japan was friends with US, they conquered asian, took china and some other Asian countries, they were communist peasants just like china and russia, US poured sanctions on them and what happened? Parle Harbor. They strike the US unprovoked.

benalvino3:
I dont see any contradiction. Just like lions dont bother hyenas, NATO dont want to mess with a nuclear power like Russia.

The difference between the time of hitler and now is that there was no nuclear weapons, although his scientists the US stole was working on it.

If Hitler had Nukes, Britain would not have dared to rally the world into fighting for freedom.

sanpipita:
Putin has invaded Ukraine before, he knows Ukraine has nothing backing them NATO or not, problem today is he underestimated resolve of Ukrainians and also support they are getting around the world, how do you get into four days fight with Ukraine and you are threatening nuclear war, USA and NATO are yet to fire one shot in Ukraine and Putin is losing his mind, he miscalculated and it will blow up in his face, before this week ends Ukraine are going to join EU, their membership is getting fast tracked

benalvino3:
If NATO is a protection as you think, they would av easily protect Ukraine and there is nothing Russia could do. But that's not how protection works when it comes to nuclear war.

If Ukraine joins NATO, Russia can still destroy the Nation if they want, NATO will fight back but they also is not immune from taking serious damage which is why they don't seem to be looking for a fight.

Putin too does not want a fight with NATO. If he knows someone in NATO who will fight regardless or who is so unpredictable, he won't dare to enter Ukraine.

KnownUnknown:
The fear of gods deters some from their worst inclinations and some invoke gods to justify their worst inclinations. Still, some will chose to obey or disobey regardless of god while some discount god altogether. Do you think there is a difference between modern and olden times?

KnownUnknown:
Is Adam a good example to illustrate your point?
If you take Adam to be literal, I can understand the fear of god making him uphold “the law”. If you take Adam as allegory then what you wrote is just your interpretation.

KnownUnknown:
In your interpretation you say Adam didn’t use his senses but is that accurate?

KnownUnknown:
Adam chose to obey the lord while Eve chose to obey the serpent in the heat of the moment. If the serpent had accosted Adam instead of Eve, what makes you think he wouldn’t have “used his senses”?

KnownUnknown:
Was Eve using her senses by eating a potentially dangerous fruit? Or was she just obeying like she obeyed when the lord told her to eat the other fruits?

KnownUnknown:
Of course I’ve heard about “the lord” but just like you’ve proven, it depends on the interlocutor, most of whom are only versed in the exoteric.

KnownUnknown:
Do we need a god to create or uphold these laws?

KnownUnknown:
What do you mean by the Lord?

For starters, the suspension of Nord Stream 2 will be a lot more painful for Germany than for Russia if the pipeline remains suspended over the longer term. The point of Nord Stream 2 was to increase gas flows to Germany as the country shuts down its nuclear and coal power plants. So if there is no pipeline, Germany would have to replace the cheap pipeline gas with costlier LNG.

As for Russia’s pain, Gazprom recently sealed a deal with China to double the capacity of its Power of Siberia gas pipeline that delivers gas to northern China. Over the short term, the stranding of the $12-billion Nord Stream 2 project would be unpleasant, but it won’t be the end of Gazprom.

But why did nobody sanction Russian oil or gas or metals? First, there are a lot of big, important Western companies working in Russian oil and gas and metals. Second, Russia is a major global commodity supplier and sanctions would disrupt an already shaken global economy.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Uncomfortable-Truth-About-Sanctioning-Russia.html