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Crystyano:
Neither the Bible nor the Quran teaches anyone to use his or her senses for anything that's specifically beneficial to himself or herself.....

You have not read either book, Cry. You likely just listened to preachers who told you to believe, which anyone who uses their senses will rightly refuse to do.

You asked for help, and despite my antibelief stance and inability to be a Christian, here's the help I offer you.

budaatum:
Download free copy of ESV in audio

And pay close attention to the second image.

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Nastymods:
Budaatum isa fotographer because of he is ah victim of white system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gROO7xSTxfY

Nastymods:
Who isa eat well Dapcity007 father or budaatum

Nothingserious:
I said severally that sometimes you write much but miss the point. I repeatedly pointed out my points in our discourse. Possibly we were saying same thing in different ways.

If we are saying the same thing in different ways we ought to be intelligent enough to recognise it, right?

There is good science and bad science because there are good scientists and bad scientists just as there are good and bad pastors and humans. And just as it is silly to judge God by pastors, good or bad, or humans by the few bad, so is it stupid to judge science by the bad scientists. It would also be false to claim there are more bad scientist and pastors and humans than the numerous good ones plodding away at their professions.

Science, is the use of one's senses, and in the West at least it can't really be separated from religion which fostered it despite the few Giordano Brunos who might have been burnt at the stake. There's a reason many will like to migrate there instead of remain in Nigeria

What gets me with this topic is the failure of many to realise that religions teach use your senses science, and I am saying this despite the numerous antiscience verses that instead promote belief. Contradiction, no? Just as not many will read a story about the tortoise and the rabbit and miss the lesson taught but believe the tortoise and rabbit, so should religious text readers not merely believe, but ask and knock and see in order to understand. In Islam, the senses are even washed 5 times a day to remind one to use them properly, but in our ignorance its like we try to clean them with mud and thereby make our senses unusable and consequently ourselves stupid and ignorant and we tremble like Adams instead of evolving into Eves.

We as a nation can't "Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all the living things that move on the earth", unless we use our senses to do science. And only by using our senses will we be blessed. One just need go check out the technological advancements of the nation that God is said to have favoured most to see what Science has helped them achieve.

When we stop fearing we'd die if we eat the fruits of trees of knowledge, greater things will we do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gROO7xSTxfY

Nastymods:
Ya donkey, you Isa replicate that you isa call generous

Ibime:
He's a piece of shït. Special thanks to all companies in UK that denied that cōon job so he could be sent back to Umudike where he belongs. I hope he was even looked over due to racism.

Explains his hatred. He was likely deported.

arthurwillia:
Ok Boss Sir
So why say it’s not lucrative if your sister is doing well?

No course is lucrative in its own right. You got to put in work to make it lucrative for you. I know chartered accoutants who are struggling too.

BasedUsername:
Nah, he just has different views

That's mighty generous of you in a thread where such generosity is rare. Ta.

BasedUsername:
I know he played CoD because the prosecution brought it up but now the defence shouldn't have brought up the past crimes of the so-called victims? Doesn't seem like you want a fair trial. It just seems like you want to watch an ideological opponent fry.

Have you watched the raw footage of the events?

His playing COD is pertinent if their claim is he was playing COD in real life. It goes to show character and is not the same as the crimes of the victim unless your defense is you shot the victim because of those crimes.

Nothingserious:
In all this discussion, we were x-raying science and how strictly empirical it’s processes could be.

No one is making such a claim, Nothing. Science is done by fallible human beings, and they can't claim their evidence is always empirical or that bad scientist do not exist, especially if by empirical you mean always based on factual objective evidence. And you are the only one who would make a claim to be "x-raying science" in a thread titled "God And Science". Most would honestly admit to discussing both.

LordReed:
LoL that someone was me!

What were you doing so far back?

arthurwillia:
One question Sir, are you chartered?

Not as an accountant. I have a sister who is though and through hard work she's doing pretty well.

Its not lucrative at all and neither is it easy.

Like everything, what you put in is what you get out if it, though accountancy is likely to put a lot into empowering you to get a lot out of it.

Buhari just returned from COP26. They were banning coal while we Nigerians are still burning trees, lol.

BasedUsername:
He got into a fight with a girl that fought his sister. Kids fight, it's not good but it happens.

Are you seriously comparing that to choking your girlfriend? Or armed robbery? Or child rape?

Next thing you'll tell me that he used to play Call of Duty.

He did use to play Call of Duty or something similar, and he did not shoot those he shot for whatever crimes they had committed neither, so previous crimes are irrelevant.

Those of the deceased would, or at least, should not have come up in court, is my point.

gbemishile:
mo ti gbo e.mak dem no swear for u that u made them single parent like urself na im we go gather pray for u ontop now

I will personally make them single parents than let them marry a pig who can't respect them. I will even go as far as disowning them if they bring a pig home as their betrothed.

Far too much has been spent educating them than for them to now waste it on some useless diq!

gbemishile:
this makes me more disappoined and i shake my head in shame for u.more pity for the child u have who wouldnt know she is being mislead by a woman scorned.single parenthood na im u go do las la,an i pity the child wey go pass through u cus the bile wey dey ur body go high.

Very powerful daughters who wouldn't even consider your sort as a servant not to talk of marry.

Nothingserious:
This is irrelevant to this discussion unless you are making presumptions that I am overtly religious and anti-science .

Surprisingly I haven’t made any defense for or against science. I haven’t also made any defense for religion in our presentations.

If you made such presumptions prematurely, then that’s bad cos it utterly contradicts what you have been struggling to say in our discourse.

It is rather obvious that you are looking at science as some sort of religion or you wouldn't have failed to see that Eve and Christ were practising science as opposed to stupidly ignorantly believing like Adam and the Pharisees did. You even claim science needs a spokesperson like its some sort of god, when it's obvious scientists don't have a chief priest nor organisation that every scientist bows to.

I called the Bible primitive science. The primitive might sound derogatory, but its of equal value, if not more, than Galen's primitive superseded science. Both are the shoulders of giants we now stand on to see much further than they did instead of just believing what they wrote. That is what science is, shoulders, and most scientists know that whatever they claim today may be superseded someday so there's no point believing what you haven't even tested. It's what Paul did with Christ, stand on the shoulders of those who precede them so they can see further, but you would rather stop at Paul as if he had two heads instead of emulating Paul who emulated Christ in seeking and asking and knocking with their own hearts and souls and minds.

Scientists who believe their science will defend their beliefs like you do, and if everyone had done that you'd have been communicating with me with drums instead of with the amazing technology that science has afforded you so you can direct your voice over the vast distance you currently do.

P.s. I have found it common for Bible believers to disbelieve what they see with their own eyes. Its as if they willfully blind themselves so they can't see, which I see as an insult to Jesus Christ, the great scientific optician one may read about in antiquity that they say they believe in. For what's the need of opening the eyes of those who wilfully refuse to see so they can convince themself that an Adam who surely did not die on the day that he ate thereof died on the day he ate that which he believed would kill him?

You are not only overtly a believer, which by the way is not the same as being religious, you are also vehemently anti-science or you wouldn't be here using the few hoaxes and pseudosciences as your examples of what science actually is and has provided you with.

Nothingserious:
You contradicted yourself severally.

That's what people say when they can't get their heads around what I do say due to their own subjectivity.

BasedUsername:
Kyle Rittenhouse shot a pedo in the balls. Shot a domestic abuser who choked his girlfriend in the lung> And shot an armed robber in the arm.

Seethe harder bro.

Rittenhouse also battered a woman in the back, so why didn't he just shoot himself first?

basilico:
A skimply dressed lady who gets raped premeditated her rape.
Twisted logic.

Twisted logic indeed. Any sensible person would not be threatened by a skimply dressed lady, and intelligent people can tell the difference.

You just replace Rittenhouse with an AK47 Fulani herdsman in the middle of Jankara market and you just might understand the difference though I will not hold my breathe.

CutieKing:
I found this piece very interesting read.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/05/kyle-rittenhouse-american-vigilante#

Very interesting read indeed. Thanks.

CutieKing:
The moment you carry weapon to a hotly contested atmosphere,you lose your right to self defense,so says the laws of united states.
In this case,you are the aggresor,instigator and the intimidator.Those you killed might probably be alive today and you also would have probably been walking around a free man.your decision to armed yourself to a public space under whatever guise brought this sad ending.

Its not just called public safety for no reason.

Its funny that people fall to see the premeditation in his act. I'm waiting for the jury.

My Lord, aren't the Gods just so amazing?

Someone just liked this somewhat relevant post as if to remind me we've been here before discussing science with an individual who can't separate objective science from his subjective religious views.

Nothingserious:
You just don’t want to concede there are elements of arbitrariness and human influences in choice of varied scientific outcomes with subjective minds.

Really? Despite the numerous times I've said so myself and provided links to the pseudoscience of the drug and cigarette industries?

Sigh.

gbemishile:
mtcheeew.ure just spewing trash and feeling scorned.ur body count after ure almost 40 and still single will reformat ur brain.abeg,its useless trying make a dumb girl reasonable

I'm way way past 40 already, gbemi. You are not conversing with your peer!

azraeljaheel:
you eh! Whats with you and god eh?>>please dont answer the question<< Lol

dude still wana stake 700naira!

Azrael, there's only one question I do not answer and you already asked it.

There is absolutely nothing with me and god, or God, even. What I am intrigued with is the God Books and how people see and understand them. Its like people read a book about the tortoise and the hare running a race, and then some go on to believe the race really happened instead of learning the moral of the story.

That sort of stupidity intrigues me because, as a Nigerian, I am surrounded by such believers. They believe, for instance, that betnja will enrich them even though a mere look at their bet account shows they lose more than they win.

Nothingserious:
Scripture interprets scriptures.

I guess this pretty much sums up your view. Its why you also claim "scientist speak for science", as if science speaks.

People interpret Scripture, Nothing. The huge number of pastors subjectively doing so in church is sufficient evidence for this, and it's why Christ is written to have sent you the Comforter so you too can read, understand and interpret Scripture for your very own self just as he did.

Scientist (and pastors, as far as Scripture goes), state their own subjective views which other scientists will subjectively review, but since all scientists can't all share the same subjective view, subjectivity is eventually ironed out by testing. That's why science involves experimentation, as in the testing of claims.

Your phone, your car, your television, the electricity in your house, etc, are all results of objective science. While subjective 'science' is like our untested useless juju.

You will forgive me for stopping here. I've said all I need say on the subject.

gbemishile:
heeee.i pity u.u go still call plenty men pigs when we knack u leave u as a result of this ur attitude.las las na single parent u go still end up if u no change this kain mindset.i know plenty of them well well

I'm far too intelligent to be knacked by a pig like you when there's lots of decent considerate respectful real men out there that one can knack and be knacked by.

Perhaps when you learn that women are not logs of wood you just stick your diq in like you stick it in your hand and jerk off you might evolve from pig to man, but I very much doubt it.

gbemishile:
i pray never to meet people like u who would deny her husband sexually without giving a cogent reason .......

I'm tired.

I had a hard day at work.

I'm worried about something.

I'm just not in the mood today.

I don't feel well.

You are being inconsiderate.

Etc!

ArewaNorth:
No! Your arguments are driven by religious fanaticism and nothing more.

Pots that cook on coal should not insult kettles that cook on gas!

There was nothing religious in gidgiddy's very intelligent response.