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@ I-man, i read your response to "denex" when he was contesting your figures, i didnt bother to verify the figures because i know the sorry state of Africa in the international world.

I just wonder why denex would suggest including the arms trade (underground economy, soon someone will say proceeds from corruption should be trade maybe estimate the capital flight making the current position worse, and some of these people say they understand international economics), arms paid for with illegal diamonds or crude oil (bunkering), why should such figures account in calculating trade puzzles me, when it cannot be captured and does not contribute to society.

A lot of times, people live in their "little" extremely little worlds especially Nigerians that either not well exposed, choose not to travell or travell (and remain within their enclaves, Londoners, lol, no one shld crucify me oh). We think so highly of ourselves (which is good) but at times unrealistic and misleading. The NHS budget alone in the UK not the whole health sector, just the NHS is three times the budget of Cuba, i was scarred to do the maths for Nigeria. Then think of the size of the budget in the US.

Thats why some of us are so pained when we hear statements like "this leader tried", he chopped but he worked", or the other loosers arguement we can't compare ourselves to UK or US because bla bla, My question is that do they have 2 heads?

@ skyone, i wanted to attempt to react to your posts, but when i read you suggesting America controls OPEC i decided it wasnt worth it. My friend you clearly are the ignorant one, your opinions on any issue at all in here should not be considered.

@ doyin13, you are quite right, and i agree with you that the setting up of a military base in Nigeria is really not necessary and might be detrimental to us as a nation if not properly done perhaps the govt stands is justified considering our antecedants of hardly getting things right. My problem however is this blind Anti Americanism and the Pro-China, like the latter is a better evil in itself.

This idea is so far from the truth, that i wonder the foundation. America has been a source of strength and support to a lot of nations, people have allowed the actions of George Bush as a person to blind them on what the American nation stands for. I had a lot of Chinese in my masters class, even far away from home the thot of speaking against their govt is so so scary, it tells you how institutionalsied the fear is.

The truth is that any relationship with any nation can be negative if those in diplomatic circles do not ensure the country as a whole gains, as long as individually they can do business and comfortable, our leaders cant be bothered. I always say it, look at small Liberia and Sierre leone, selfless Nigeria was driven away after loosing so much human and material resources, but we are upset when America would refuse to loose when it invests heavily, i wonder what kind of rationale that is.

What other way to define Money laundering but the above epistle.

It makes the official definition below inaccurate and misleading.

"Money laundering is the practice of engaging in financial transactions in order to conceal the identity, source, and/or destination of money, and is a main operation of the underground economy."

Common thiefs, that what these guys are.

I pray more will follow, it definately will deter others, the scale will come down, and some clowns say EFCC is doing nothing, do you know the time and resources it talke to unrival all this connections.

[quote author=I-man link=topic=95039.msg1709203#msg1709203 date=1195773283]Ultimately,whether Africa industrialises or not depends on the policies adopted by African countries.It won't depend on the policies of outside powers.[/quote]Gbam, you have said it all, for those looking for messiahs, nobody will build Nigeria for Nigeria. In short no one will help us if we don't force their hand.

You analogy on a commodity Africa is so real if we are not careful, the only thing the world will need us for is the so called commodities (Oil on top of the list).

Thread don turn to Chinese thread, from AFRICOM.

@ ayanfe, quite unfortunate, i couldnt take you on post by post.

Your knowledge of international economics (if any) is in the opposite direction of empirical evidence. The Asian tigers success including China was majorly due to stable socio-political and ecomonic stability, which Africa hitherto could not guarantee, thats partly the reason why the west didnt consider Africa a destination, wars and particularly social unrest not necessarily democracy.

Your postulation of African resources, China Manpower and western and china technology is vodoo economics. The competition is clear and evident but unfortunately you can't see it, the absoulute/comparative advantage China started with (cheap labour) you partly possess, so then when you are able to achieve stability, why should the West expand to Africa, and I-man has already shown you the other part.

So you truely believe China will develop Nigeria, did the West develop China or they did it themselves, wake up mate no one will develop Nigeria, it will have to come from us, investors alike (including China) seem to be coming now because of the stability, why didnt China come during the military regimes. Nigeria will be developed by Nigerians. Short memories what happened to the railway contract awarded to the Chinese company, its up and running in the lagoon.

Finally you think the Chinese will pay you taxes, and not manipulate your system, you really don't understand the people you are dealing with. I am not saying there could be no gain in any relationship with China, but am saying we face the same risk of loosing out, if we don't dictate the pace, it will just be the same loss.

@ Big B1, i also dont understand your point. Its not clear cut.

From my understanding please feel free to correct me if am wrong, Ibori should be tried in Nigeria ie allowed to defend himself, , the outside world has no business interferring in issues of Nigeria. Ribadu is really not acting on evidence he is acting based on emotions.

Please is this your point.

Hey guys take it easy on OEPHIUS he said "NIGERIA'S FOREI[b]DN[/b] POLICY".

We definately dont have one.

McKren:
When people have invested so much money to site factories, business is booming, profit margin is high,

Government will periodically increase minimum wage little by little until it gets to world class standard. That is how it is done.

Why do most UK and US manufacturers produce in china? Cheap labour!!!!
And the country is better for it.

You have clearly contradicted your self, if the chinese has cheap labour why does he need to come to Nigeria. You have said the UK and US have chosen to sight their factories in China, so why should the chinese sight his factory in Nigeria, obviously for resources, then why should he pay you more than he pays his own citizen at home. Doesnt this also suggest that you are in competition with China as well.

When he knows your legal framework and enforcement is weaker than his own, he is not known to be of impeccable character, so how does your setting a minimum wage help YOU. If his own values are almost as weak as ours in certain areas then who is gaining??

McKren:
It was not me who made the above comment.

Celebrating an Exxonmobil that lift's crude oil without refining them locally does not seem like being awake from sleep either.

What are you on about, did you read my statement. I was talking of the partnership, the comparison using salaries was to highlight who's gaining in the relationship. Did we ask Exxon to refine. And come to think of it, comparing like for like Western firms are better. Please theres no arguement there, an american firm values its workforce, be it manufacturing, drilling or whatever.

@ Mckren, so you think the chinese would give you the much sought after "Technology Transfer", so they would become irrelevant to you. When are we going to wake up in this country.

buluti:
@ joecrak, please if you nothing to say keep quiet. People are making sense, you are talking upside down, oil and more than 70% of your population are below or on the poverty line.

@ doyin, thanks your balanced contribution, its because as a nation we still don't know our left from our right. What is the
I have refused to comment on this China crase, but since you've mentioned it. The so called chinese companies, how much do they pay their staff, what kind of staff welfare policies do they have, they are worse slave drivers. I[b] am so against our partnership with China not being strategic,[/b] we need to keep them for what we need them for and importantly keep the Americans for what we need them for. I would rather work for Exxonmobil or Chevron than a Chinese oil company, the terms of service are miles apart.

Where did i say salary payment was strategic, i used a variable to suggest a comparison, stating that in the most basic form they are worse off. I said partnership, please read the above again, a partnership is not about salary payments. Why have the Americans not waited for the labour law to pay their staff well, you need a Labour law to force the chinese. The ideals of the two societies differ, on the average the American firm would value its work force more than the chinese firm.

Keep waiting you think the chinese have the Nigerian interest at heart, please keep waiting. I am so astonished at our laziness.

@ joecrak, please if you nothing to say keep quiet. People are making sense, you are talking upside down, oil and more than 70% of your population are below or on the poverty line.

@ doyin, thanks your balanced contribution, its because as a nation we still don't know our left from our right. What is the Nigerian strategic interest. Please lets start by defining the Nigerian interest, whats our interest, we shouldnt have permanent friends we should have permanent interest, and seek to protect the interest. But a situation where we can't define our interest as a nation, that is where the confusion arises.

I have refused to comment on this China crase, but since you've mentioned it. The so called chinese companies, how much do they pay their staff, what kind of staff welfare policies do they have, they are worse slave drivers. I am so against our partnership with China not being strategic, we need to keep them for what we need them for and importantly keep the Americans for what we need them for. I would rather work for Exxonmobil or Chevron than a Chinese oil company, the terms of service are miles apart.

If theres a partnership that can help us contain improve the capacity of the Navy but in terms of its capability then the option should be explored. If the navy can contain the arms flow, the pirate ships where they trade their illegal bunkered oil for arms, the problem is half solved. But as usual my mother land concentrated on the irrelevant. Cut the supply of arms by properly policing the waterways.

I keep saying it, we were in Liberia and Sierre leone, all the troops that died nothing to show for it. No gain to Nigeria, selfless Nigeria that gains from nothing always harming itself.

@ kobojunke, that you, interest, Japan has defined its interest and is acting accordingly.

bukola88:
“Media reporting would demonstrate globally that Nigeria is incapable of tackling corruption within its own jurisdiction and had to rely upon courts in other jurisdictions to prosecute such offences.

@ bukola88, the above is almost very true, but is Nigeria not proving to be incapable of indicting its corrupt officials, hence the cry that its one sided. We have to hear of bribes from outside, theres no process of accountability in place, no checks and balance.

Please lets look at this thing without the glasses of tribal sentiments, if people are "witch hunting" Ibori what we call "winchin" God bless them, he should witch hunt them as well. Whats the alternative, back to the IBB era when it was since everyone is a thief so lets all enjoy. NO. Enough is enough, if it is starting from the south, so be it, it will get to the North, its already there anyway.

@ ono, i don't know the deltans you are talking to, maybe the compromised one that gained from the spree. Ibori did nothing compared to the resources at his disposal, please we've had that debate before, it doesnt hold. There are billions he can't account for, theres nothing like small thief, we wont walk on the metality that make he chop as long as he works, thats nonsense and could be used in the previous generation. I really am shocked at your utterances, always so compromised, always so ethnic inclined.

Do you guys look at the international world at all when attempting to make comparisons, these positions are serious issues, its not childs play, if you don't want the wahala, you have no business being there. You look at world leaders, you can see the stress on them, ours are looking ever young, travelling for health check up for things as little as a sprain, what level of irresponsibility can we tolerate again. God bless the EFCC, as long as that institution remains, it will go round, Ribadu wont be there tomorrow, the witch hunting will continue by Gods grace, if you don't want to be witch hunted keep a clean profile where nothing is against your name.

iykrion:
In as much as I want to agree with you that Ibori's plight is being instigated by some people, who are not happy with his (ill gotten?) wealth, I must not fail to mention that if he hadn't pilfered from the common-wealth of the Deltans, nobody will have any tangible cause to victimise him. I know that the likes of Chiefs Edwin Clark, Great Ogboru etc will not rest untill Ibori is publicly disgraced. It no longer counts whether their actions are selfish or selfless. The question is has Ibori soiled his hands? Is it morally right for Ibori to display such a stupendous wealth whereas there's abject poverty amongst the people he presided over their affairs for eight years? I think our generation has no reason to celebrate corruption.

@ iykrion, please and please lets not cloud our reasoning. God Bless those people who are instigating against him, tomorrow somebody will instigate against them as well, thats what we want, an accountable society of checks and balances. Did they tie Ibori's hands hes powerful enough to instigate against people.

The question is simple, did he divert public funds for personal use? The establishment is protecting him and people are complaining, i want to see how the establishment will keep protecting him and others from the international world.  They will just have to make do with living in Nigeria.

bukola88:
The man was governor since 1999, his business portofolio and wealth would have grown imensley since that time. I absolutely see no evidence that he stole from the niger delta treasury.  I am a bit concerned that it's only southerners Nuhu Ribadu is concentrating his efforts.  It's bound to have repercussions.  We are yet to see the Alhaji's and Alhaja's of northern nigeria tried.  The likes of babangida. As a norther Nuhu Ribadu has shown is prejudices against southerners.  The AGF is absolutely correct in denying scotland yard the right to interfere in the business of Nigeria especially as they are corrupt themselves.  Nigeria has it's own jurisdiction.  The AGF is right to protect the integrity of nigeria's judicial system. Access denied.  So what he bought a house in London? And? As a former serving governor he deserves a bit more respect.  If this case comes to trial then rest assured that whole region will light up like a christmas tree.  Yar a dua is trying to avoid such a scenario. I give him the benefit of the doubt.  So what if he gave generously to Yar a dua's campaign?  Is that were the Anger is coming from?  Scotland yard have effectively kidnapped his wife (she's not allowed to leave the uk to join her husband) until the case is resolved. Who's on trial here?  Something is not right.

Then no problem Scotland Yard has no business with Nigeria, why does he and his concubines want to go and enjoy their "genuine wealth" in London, let them stay in Nigeria. If he kept all his genuine wealth in Nigeria Scotland yard would have no business with him, but as long as you are invloved in money laundering in whatever form or in any country, you cannot enjoy the proceeds in London. Period. You havnt seen nothing yet, the problem has only just started by the time Scotland yard is true with Ibori, he would gladly be prosecuted in Nigeria. How much does Tony Blair or Richard Branson have in Nigerian Banks?

Your ethnic and tribal arguement at best is laughable and naive. You just wait, now Jubril Aminu has been mentioned abi, more will come with the help of the developed world that we dont want, soon that ethnic card would no longer be a joker. This was why we were shouting then when people were saying OBJ is using EFCC only on his enemies, is he there today, will Yar'Adua be there tomorrow, but as long as the institution of EFCC remains there would be an avenue to prosecute corrupt officials. The truth is that its beginning to touch us, people we know are getting mentioned, so its now like are they the only ones, what of the hausa people. Nonsense.

Enough is Enough, a country with so much (human and natural resources) continues to be a laughing stock in the committe of nations, and you want us to think ethnic or tribal, NO we wont, they used that against our fathers it will not be used with us.  I am from the Niger Delta as well, so please spare us.

I am amused at you, why are you so worried or upset, let the AGF protect him now.

@ poster what exactly is your point, that they (actually its "We" because he stole from us) should let the guy be, Well sorry those days are long over.

I really dont understand your arguement, i am so so glad that its become difficult and almost impossible for him, his wife, mistress to enjoy their loot and have rest of mind. The aim is to deter others, the law cant catch everyone, but if you are caught, then be prepared to take the heat.

No one is after him, hes the one after himself. Why are you so bothered, if hes not guilty and actually made his wealth genuinely as you claim before becoming governor you have nothing to worry, the evidence will speak. The AGF has refused to give the Met. Police approval to use the evidence provided by the EFCC sighting due process, its in such things the "compromised" AGF will shout due process and rule of law. No problem, he still cant read the writing on the wall.

Justice delayed is not Justice denied. No army can stop an idea whose time has come. The idea has come for Nigeria to move forward albeit slowly, very slow, but move it will.  All the AGF's put together as an army cant stop it.

@ Afam it would be mature and intellectual to keep religion out of this. The US is definately the largest aid donor in the world, i think followed by Britain and the west is the largest to palestine let me say the EU, am sure the US definately follow.

When i have the time i will present the facts, but pls if you want to argue on religion we can go to the religon section not politics.

@ debosky, thank you and may God bless you for your contribution.

I am so so tired of a  people that do not take responsibility for their action and inactions, always blaming others apart from themselves. We never put our house in order then we complain when people want to do it because indirectly its affecting them. Its now the west thats fighting corruption for Nigeria.

The point is if the govt could secure the creeks there would be no need for this AFRICOM or whatever its called, but because we have shown we are incapable.

We are angry at a nation that thinks putting itself first, saying they are selfish, we that we are selfless where has it landed us. We went to Liberia & Sierre Leone, our troops died in their hundreds nothing to show for it.

And for those finding it hard to differentiate between aid and contribution, the US is by far the largest aid donor in the world, they are even the lagest to palestine, the so called Iran and Arab nations do not give them nada but suicide bombers. Such Rubbish

@nigeria1, now its clear you are a comedian. You have successfully earned yourself the status of a slowpoke. Keep at it, "nairaland jester".

By grid here i mean the distributon channels what happens when a customer is tired of one provider and wants to change power company, the new company will need its own distribution channel as well, so should we have several distribution channels??

Nice discussion so far, but the point is that without the privatisation or selling off PHCN what i call Kill, the energy sector electricity will not be attractive to investors.

For the telecomms sector to have succeeded, the new entrants didnt need any inputs from NITEL as they started their operations from scratch. With electricity its not so, theres a national grid and distribution lines, PHCN does it all now, and has not been able to achieve anything. Yes its all we have now, but if its failed why should we hold on to it. Its operating as a so called commercialised ventrue (from the days of privatisation and commercialisation by IBB) its commercialisation element just means that the govt reduced funding and asked the parastaatals to increase cost of its products to make more money, but hey that hasnt worked.

Its bitter and hard but PHCN has to go, that parastatal has to be sold off. Am calling for its dissolution, it should be divided and allowed to keep only distribution (pray its able to handle that), the technicalities of generation has proved too dificult, today its watertoday, tomorrow its Gas, it lacks the technical competence and can't be bothered to improve. The solution of creating a level playing ground can't work with PHCN the way it is, the cost of entry is too high and not attractive to the investor.

This nigeria1, you are a case study.

Okay you provide the solution. And what does that prove? Still doesnt help your IQ does it?

You cant read and comprehend, thats is the issue? Am sorry but its the truth.

Kobojunkie:
You are trying to say we should go back to exactly what we have been doing for the past how many decades and expect it to work this time around. I am not for scraping NEPA but [b]I do admit that NEPA has so far failed the countr[/b]y and pushing in more billions into that project at this point and expecting the people to wait decades yet again is not in our good at all. We know the world is pushing for clean energy sources, We know we can not refine that which we have and pushing for us to do that now is again not new and not going to help the economy right now, maybe in the next 20 years, but some of us are actually sick of being told every other year that Nigeria will be better in a DECADE.

@ Kobojunkie so what are you suggesting, we should keep what has failed?

I am at a loss please, how is selling of NEPA,  what we have been doing in the past, have they sold NEPA before, please tell maybe i don't know, then you don't understand privatalisation or de-regulation, allow other companies come and operate.  I said kill/sell off PHCH, is that what you did in the past. De-regulate the power industry, is that what you have done in the past.

Who is suggesting to put billions into NEPA, where did i say so??

Please read my contribution in this the thread below.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-93748.32.html

This Energy issue in Nigeria in my opinion is due to metal laziness. People dont want to think, we just want to copy. Its not about copying wind here or solar there its about analysing whats cheap to us. I suggested in the other post a total departure of what currently exist, you can read my contribution there.

Nigeria is blessed with energy resources that are natural to us, eg Gas am not saying Gas is it, but we need to discover the one thats for us on a national level, it might well be "Nuclear", lol, but really we need to take into consideration our pecualrities and design our Energy policy. This PHCN issue, its time to totally kill that company, i mean totally not NEPA to PHCN, i mean it should not exist, sell it off. Let other companys generate this power, PHCN just can not, its doing too much, it will distribute, it will transmit.

Look at refinning, we cant get it right, because govt is refinning, soon now some will say we should conserve energy like my friend in the other thread i.e. manage fuel, maybe copy Europe with the car share, cycle, public transport initiative. We need to design a framework that is enduring and it starts from killing PHCN, private and sell off the monster. Talking about Energy is beyond electricity what of refining, whats happening to PH and kaduna refineries??

Now i wont be one to say this doesnt work and not propose an alternative.

Whats my alternative, first totally wrong existing framework, we need a total departure from what currently exist. I propose a  Joint Venture partnership similar to what obtains in drilling crude oil but different modalities. The govt part of the venture could be limited to distribution (for now) at this stage, PHCN should be sell off its generating and transmitting stations and concentrate only on distribution. Then Redesign the distribution, why has it gone wrong. Theres a need for the re-sitting of transformers, gradually migrating from the current situation of every street at every corner, maybe a bit more central at the Ward Level as can be managed, Administration should be by Wards, offices sighted maybe by Local Govts, then States. Eventually this will not be required as when this is in place the distribution chain can be sold off.

At Federal level, its strategic, manage the Joint ventrue partnership, nothing to do with maintenance and supplies just strictly managing and allocating costs and income to the different Units, also ensure the JP agreements are maintained by all parties, ensure smooth operational flow with the generating and transmitting companies, manage disagreements,  reconcilliation of proceeds and the likes. The list is not exhaustive the point being that this is a strategic office and not an approving office, the decisions are taken in each ward on what is needed. Every LG is operating like a different coming profit/loss, no one bears your burden, you magane your cost.

That means totally privatizing NEPA or is it PHCN, selling off all the current generating & transmitting stations, allow those that know what power generation is all about to come in, provide incentives to new entrants, Import tariffs on equipments, legal and regulatory framework to settle disagreements should be clear. There can be a licencing round where bids are submitted at this stage the consideration is whats the cost to the end user, what do you want to charge, the govt has a social responsibility to ensure its affordable, so we consider bids from as many as possible, also apart form cost track record, technical competence etc. The govt would also consider the alternative power generating options, Solar, Nuclear, Wind Turbine etc, its feasibility, what do we have natural to us, in other words what do we have absolute and comparative advantage, if we have coal, crude, gas natural to us, should this be our first options, you know a Cost benefit Analysis, ok we have Solar whats the cost vs Gas, Nuclear vs Wind and so on.

This idea is just a frame work, it can be built upon by the professionals in each area, an engineer will know best how the most cost effective the power should be generated.

Then when we have this working as a govt, we will start talking of energing saving, we will put a policy to punish wasters, but we can't talk about this first, when the process is totally wrong. The world will laugh at us, those that don't have what to manage, manage what

Please we need to begin to look at solutions more than our individual door step but collectively, if we want to make suggestion to govt, its not about individual inverters. This Uninterupted Power Supply (UPS) systems the author talks about are designed for the developing world,where constant power is not expected to beavailable. Why must we choose to be the fool. We need a collective approach, it has to be feasible to the general population and not the educated elite alone.

On a lighter note, the other day i was told of "I better pass my neighbour" generator?? thats Nigeria where people are not thinking, we come up with such short term measures.

In the short run at the Macro level the cost of Energy Conservation is just too high especially for an economy like Nigeria. To the environmentalist its not, but to the entrepreneur that takes business decisions its too high, theres a whole range of technology issues to consider, production lines need to be improved / replaced, its just too high at the macro level, the cost to the WHOLE economy.Why does the author think the Australian govt put a target of is it 2009 , that after it would have given enough time to cushion this cost. Even England and the USA can't come up with such targets yet, the cost is way too high for the macro economy to bear.

At a micro level, the cost is lower, its easy for me as an individual to decide to stop buying the energy consuming appliances, the cost of LCD is dropping but is still significantly higher, i knw how much i paid for my LCD/HD TV, compared to the alteernative. Looking at the bulb example i will have to increase my expense on bulbs while reducing my energy cost (PHCN bill), theres an opportunity cost, but thers also a pay off in the long run. The question is can i bear the short run cost? A lot of Nigerians can't continously afford the cost.

Now looking at policy formulation, i wont expect the Nigerian govt to put a priority on energy saving, because the resources are already scarce, in addition the socio-economic landscape does not support this, ie. literacy rate, awareness, understanding of the issues, the cost of enlightenment will be too high, (imagine how long the enlightenment on election, corruption has been going on and how much has gone into it) and see the minimal result). The majority of the population would not grasp the issues of energy consumption, you and I maybe, can the market woman grasp it?

Please we need not copy the West on this, they can afford to go green now, we can't yet, Yes we can aim to go green, we just can't. And come to think of it, whats the consumption we even want to cut, how much energy are we consuming, its not yet 1/100 of the developed world, when they are looking at cutting energy, they dont expect anything from us, becos we cant give it. We need to power our industries now and grow.

The idea is a good one and its now amongst key issues in the developed world, the citizens are encouraged to do their bit in saving the environment, eveyone is going "GREEN" to save the world for the next generation.

In the devloped world it is laudable, but the question is how long has it taken them to get there and how far have they gone? with the green initiative. True as the writer says Govt has a place to play by encouraging the savers and punishing the wasters, but that can only work when the waster feels punished. Why should people bother to pay more for an energy saving bulb when half of the time, there wont be energy to power it.

The first step is to provide the incentive, the power must be available. I beg to differ our current problem is not energy conservation but generation & distribution, its good to conserve, but what we will be doing is managing what is currently not sufficient, thats the SAP idea, austerity measures, in our terms. To the developed world its conservations as Energy is already available and AFFORDABLE. We just can't  hide from the fact that we must make power available and affordable effectively that is our first problem, it just has to work.

nigeria1:
Buluti , I would assume that your life is negative,  I know you are the same person coming under different name,  So that is why I do not care what you say,  But i think you need Jesus in your life,

nigeria1 please leave christainity and religion out of this, you are a clown thats the issue at hand, and you keep maintaining your reputation.

Well only you can define your negative, if its not been stupid, been intelligent, comprehend easily, put down my thoughts in simple and clear terms for all to understand then maybe am negative, but in my own world its called intelligence which i doubt whether you have in extreme small measures.

And for the records i have Jesus in my life, but that has nothing to do in a secular debate, am guided by my beliefs and principles but cannot force the world to believe what i believe. I recognise i live in a secular world.

Funny how you are always shouting you are born again but am yet to read one single contribution from you in the religion section, what do you even believe in, i am born of an excellent spirit, whatsoever i lay my hands to do prospers, the lines are falling to me in pleasant places, like Daniel was blessed i have intelligence & understanding far above my mates.

You are here exhibiting ethnic and tribal tendencies, you exhibit corrupt and very inconsistent personalities, the other day you were organising a dinner for YarAduas wife even speculating that if not for the guards you will have chatted her up. You seek govt patronage at all cost.

I ask you what manner of man are you??

Its nothing personal please and not intended to be an attack on your personality but lets be clear, you represent yourself and dont use religion or Deeper life, RCCG or whateva church to try and gain credibility.

I apologise if its offensive, but u just need to stop punishing people with your ideas and contributions, its not by force.

nigeria1 everyone has called you a clown that cannot comprehend anything.

Please dont ever advertise that your EXTREMELY CRAPPY website, no one is interested. You cant comprehend even the most basic post as your replies are so disjointed, one can only sympathize with the teachers and those that funded your education, its been a total waste of scarce resources.

I beg you spare the whole world the agony of your comedy.

buluti:
Please is it true and in the Koran that Muhammad married a 6 yr old child. This is to the Muslims in the house, a simple Yes or No will do?

Thanks for your aniticipated simple "Yes" or "No".

Can someone please answer my question?

@ FSU my question is that did you read it at all.

Lets be clear, if Redeem was given any wrong waiver, the government should do the right thing and tax the church, there are ways of doing this, and not go on this image battering scheme. That said the write up from the Sun (another scripolous source) stated that the Minister didnt name any church.

FSU:
As you can now see, nowhere was the importation of 600 vehicles linked to any church in the Honourable Minister’s speech, to warrant your deliberate and unkind misrepresentation of his person.

Further to the above, and to prove the point made by the Honourable Minister, I enclose the relevant, unedited portion of the press conference in question for your guidance.

And as a proof of his concern over the possible abuse to which they can be deployed, find attached, two samples of such import waiver details, variously granted to the … (church name withheld by us), the colossal amount involved, items imported and revenue implication to the nation.

Now that you have been adequately availed of facts of the matter, I have no doubt that as a man of God, you will take necessary measures to correct your misrepresentation of the Honourable Minister, especially in the eyes of your members – whom you said had inundated your office with requests for clarification on the subject matter as contained in your letter under reference.”

[quote][/quote]What nonsense "Name withheld", if the source is genuine they should provide the name of the church, no matter who is involved.

And please again i join to call that if redeem did any wrong they should pay and penalty if applicable.

But as responsible civil citizens the questions we should be asking is on what basis were this waivers granted, if as the minister claims it has been abused, all the culprits should be brought to book, and how can we reassured it will not happen again.

This smear of one mans name by all means and a bid to quote scriptures you dont understand wont help you. Yes in the last days false prophets and teachers will arise, how has that got to do with this.

@ MCLOVIN i am trying to say this in the most polite way, SHUT UP, read your bible and use your God given common sense / intelligence.

Your source lacks any form of credibility. The same writer said Prince Charles was the anti-christ and has said a lot of nonsense.

Please if you need exposition on the word say it.

If i may ask you, who is a heretic?

Please is it true and in the Koran that Muhammad married a 6 yr old child. This is to the Muslims in the house, a simple Yes or No will do?

Thanks for your aniticipated simple "Yes" or "No".

@ nigeria1, you have stated severally that you are an engineer working on some rocket science project. Please can you show a bit of intelligence.

Do you listen to yourself or read your post at all. You never make sense.

Nigeria doesnt need additional states, we need our resources to be managed effective. Give up, its not going to happen, we are moving beyond etnic and tribal sentiments and no ranting or ploy by people like you can take us back.