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Image123: You claim not to know what else to add to the OP. You also do not think there's anything to add. Why do you criticize another for not saying anything on the issue?
i'd advice you do not increase the blood pressure of your friend with the consistent pleas.

I'm not critisizing you for not saying anything on the matter. Its your right not to have any opinion but pls don't use your lack of opinion as an excuse to deflect from the matter at hand. You mentioning possibility of religious crisis in Lagos over this issue shows how truly lacking you are of any meaningful opinion on this matter so try to stick to your resolve not to say anything over this issue.

Also for your information, Anybody who develops high blood pressure because of the posts or opinions of you of all people on NL is a sissy and truly deserves it.

So once again "pls stop speaking for fashola, you're doing a veeerrrryyy bad job of it"

Image123: A certain fellow said "I don't know what else to add to this write up. In fact, I don't think there's anything to add. " Do you know who that was?

It is I. What's your point?

I gave my thought on why Fashola wouldn't want to pursue anything. You then begged me to please stop. Anyway you interpret that, it is what you did.

If it'll make you sleep well tonight, see me 'beg' you again "pls stop speaking for fashola, you're doing a veeerryyy bad job of it"

Goshen360: @ Candour, weldone, teaching the word. You're a soldier of Christ.

@taiwoawoniyi,
I read you saying your father is a Redeemed pastor and you can't change because he, your father hasn't changed. That tells me all your argument is not based on sound doctrine of the changes that took place after the cross of Christ but your argument is based on wrong believe that everything written in the bible is for Christians to practice and based on your father believe and rccg teaching.

Listen bro, I was once like you, a member of rccg and almost getting towards ordination. However, all I was doing then was follow - follow. But when I sat myself down, many things were exposed to me by the Spirit. Then, I can challenge some teachings and question some practices in the body of Christ.

Scripture say. ....WHATSOEVER was written IN THE LAW was written FOR THOSE UNDER THE LAW.

Question, are you under the law or you're under the leadership of the Holy Spirit? Who are THOSE UNDER THE LAW? What are the "WHATSOEVER THINGS the law says" referring to? The Spirit don't contradict the written word. Many Christians try to spiritualize the old testament but the law is not of faith.

Learn not to follow the crowd. Stand with the Spirit and learn of him.

Hi my bro, longest time!! Its actually the surname taiwoawoniyi was talking about. I asked why he still used it considering our discussion on powers of darkness and he said he doesn't see a reason to change it. It wasn't about his beliefs generally

Cheers bro

taiwoawoniyi: Amen bro. Its just that you talk with this unbeatable confidence like papa. That's good though. Gimme your pin or whatsapp if you can. Nice meeting you bro. Stay blessed

Send me a PM let's relate.

taiwoawoniyi: Lol. Bro,you actually made me laugh. I've been pressurized by a lot of people. And questioned about my name. I believe that if the Holy Spirit asks me to,ill gladly change it. And besides,my dad is a redeemed pastor and he hasn't changed it so why should I? Well,if God says so,then ill change it. You sound like Oyedepo. Are you a winner?

Are you a detective? how did you decipher my connection with LFC? I was a member though not anymore but I lost all my fears while there

Also, its good you refused to bow to the pressure on your name. Thank God for your dad and I wish him success in his ministry.

Cheers

taiwoawoniyi: Bro, I hope you know that this is the end-time and that the battle against principalties and power is growing more fierce by the day but we shall overcome. I think you know Elijah was a man of God... Well,what do you have to say about Pastor Adeboye's testimony(or isn't he a christian). Well,I stick to my beliefs,you stick to yours. I deeply appreciate your maturity. It has surely been an entertaining and highly informative debate. It was nice. Learnt loads. Its obvious nothing I can say can keep your beliefs. I rest my case. Gods grace be with us all. Shalom bro.

Yeah Elijah was a man of God but under a totally different dispensation than ours. Adeboye is a christian but what you relayed about him is his personal experience and I doubt its wise to take it above the bible. Yeah, i won't quarell with your right to hold to your beliefs and I appreciate your maturity too. God bless you and help us all to keep growing in wisdom and understanding of his words. Amen

Meanwhile as an aside, why have you not changed the "awo" in your name? I spent 11 years in MFM and was taught that such name limits one's destiny and puts one in bondage. I won't press you if you don't feel like talking about it.

Cheers bro

taiwoawoniyi: I'm not saying that you should take guns to go on a killing spree. If a witch is opressing you,you can surely take it to the spiritual realm and he/she would die physically. Why do mysterious accidents happen? Because the people who have more spiritual knowledge and ranking know how to tap into the dark forces. If you sit there like a lamb,you'll surely be killed like a lamb. Heb 11:29 For our God is a consuming fire. Even when Elijah was almost captured ,he called fire down on 102 people II Kings 1:10. He didn't wait there looking,he had to take charge. And Elisha after taking up double portion of the anointing cursed the little children and she bears devoured them(note that God loves little children). We are not called to be wimpy people. Christians are to be battle axes of this generation. Matt 11:12 The kingdom of God suffers violence. Great men of God have decreed and the physical manifestation occurred. One of my most respected...Pastor E.A Adeboye recalled a story. He went to visit one of his sons whose house was beside that of a witch doctor. Then his son complained about the interference with his spiritual life. Pastor Adeboye went there and decreed and within 7 days,the doctor was dead. Some people have to die for destiny to be fulfilled. I pray that God should give US ALL deeper revelation of His word. Shalom

I won't stop your belief but there's nothing christian about all you relayed up there. You talked about Elijah calling fire down from heaven. I hope you know physical fire fell? How many fires have fallen since you started calling down fires on witches and wizards? Also hope you know Elijah wasn't a Christian?

Show me an example of witch killing, fire calling on enemies in the new testament after Christianity started. You think all those shouts of die by fire and holy ghost fire shows you're not a weak christian? No my friend. It shows you as being too fearful for a child of the living God. Paul in the admonition on principalities and powers said all I need to do is stand and that's what I do.

Who is a wimpy christian? The one running from pillar to post, from one prayer point to the other because of a witch doctor or the one who lives his life as if they don't exist?

My dear, I stopped thinking about them years ago and they're powerless where I am. I wish you can come to this understanding and stop being scared of them. He that is in me is greater than he that is in the world. That's what scripture says. Try and believe it.

Tannie: That a mosaic law naa, it doesn't apply to christains.

Which is why folks quoting Exodus 22:18 against a supposed witch should also desist from it. We should focus on what concerns us and leave Mosaic law for those it was intended for.

Cheers sis

taiwoawoniyi: As a christian,you should understand the devices of the devil. Christianity is not a call to fun fair but a call to warfare. Being a christian,you need to confront the enemies. Eph 6:11-16 tells us about weapons of spiritual warfare. As christians,we are to fiercely engage the kingdom of darkness. Even Jesus went to the grave to confront the devil and to get the keys of life. The greatest miracle is salvation and witches would definitely be sad that they have lost a former candidate. Christianity needs a wake up call. Its time for a revival

Is Christianity a call to killing of witches? See the scripture you mentioned

Ephesians 6:11-17 KJV
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. [12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places . [13] Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. [14] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; [15] And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; [16] Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. [17] And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

There's nothing in that scripture about killing any witch so pls bury that idea. How many witches do you imagine Paul who wrote that scripture killed in his ministerial work? Rather he asked Christians to stand against the forces of darkness. You can't kill a spirit, just resist them and they'll flee.

Stand is mentioned 4 times in that passage. That is what a man whose faith is in God should do. Just take a stand against them. The devil is a liar (John 8:44) who magnifies his capabilities to make you fear him. That is his chief device: Lies. Hold your shield of faith and sword which is the word of God close by and you'll see him and his team run far from you.

taiwoawoniyi: Okay bro. I agree that that was under the law. But let's take a scenario...if an assassin comes to your house and you have a gun,would you start begging or you'll shoot? That's just the way it is. The devil and his minions have come to kill and you have a weapon... That of your tongue. Wouldn't it be wise to utilise it against them? My thoughts and beliefs bro

Of course you'll shoot in self defence. The difference is that your tongue has no power to kill anybody but yourself. You can put yourself in trouble with your tongue through careless speaking and that is what Prov 18:21 is all about.

Also the devil came to steal, kill and destroy but Christ has come to give me life so why should I be bothered about the devil? If the devil couldn't kill Job in the old testament because God didn't permit him, why should I fear he can kill me who is under a better dispensation today?

Focus on what Christ has done and leave witches to keep running around in confusion. As a christian, you're above their level. That's how I live my life.

taiwoawoniyi: Bro,I get your angle. Its only a foolish person that would be ignorant of the devices of the enemy. John 10:10 talks about Satans agenda. We know he has come to steal,kill and destroy. Now,I personally don't endorse praying against witches everytime or casting out of demons and all those. Even though they are good but our focus should be on Jesus. A witch can kill a baby christian and no one would do anything about it. Okay,why is it that demons possess some 'christians',because they are still grappling with God. Take a look at Paul in his apostolic mission Acts 16:16. Paul had to cast out the spirit out of her and Paul was no baby christian so you have the license to kill witches. Matt 7:7

Was the girl out of whom Paul cast out demons a Christian? Also, did the girl die?

There's a difference between Paul casting demons out of a pagan girl and Exodus 22:18 asking Israelites to kill witches.

How does Matt 7:7 permit you to kill witches? Can we also utilise it to kill corrupt leaders?

taiwoawoniyi: Bro, I think we both know that there are different levels of spirituality. What a baby christian can't do, a mature christian can do. It all depends on your level of spirituality. And bro,if a witch is harassing you,you can battle with such a person. Prov 18:21-'life and death are in the power of the tongue'. So, I think we as Christians have the license to 'remove' anything that can hinder our progress. Shalom

You see, its necessary we get some things clear. Too many Christians quote Exodus 22:18 about a witch without realising it means a physical killing of the so called witch. That's how Israel lived. That's the law of Moses. For Christians redeemed by the blood of the lamb, we should know we are under a new dispensation. If you come into your house and everywhere is dark, what do you do? You simply turn on the light bulb and the darkness evaporates.

We should pay less attention to the devil, his minions or threats and instead spend more time with the light of God's words. I agree maturity is important and maturity doesn't come by fighting imaginary battles trying to kill witches and Satan but by reading and meditating on God's word.

Witches or whatever have no power or right over a Christian. They only mess with the mind of a child of God that has refused to grow. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly (Col3:16) and you'll see all those irrational fears of witches, wizards and the devil evaporate like darkness does when it encounters light.

God bless you plenty

taiwoawoniyi: Bro,a witch is free to oppress you and even kill you and you watch and wait like a lamb? And 'life and death are in the power of the tongue'

I'm already above a witch because of the Holy Spirit residing in me. A witch can't come close. If you're still being oppressed, then there's something wrong with your belief system. Change it.

I ask again. Who gave you the license to kill? Any scriptures to back up your claim?

taiwoawoniyi: I believe that witchcraft is a spiritual thing and it should be dealt with spiritually. Some people(witches) don't want the evil spirit cast out of them. Especially if they are powerful in the coven. But a witch can be killed. It all depends on your level of spirituality. A believer has the license to kill.

My bro, who gave you this license to kill? Any scriptures apart from Exodus 22:18 which you should know has nothing to do with a christian saved by grace?

That injunction in exodus was meant to be carried out literally meaning if the Israelites saw a witch, they were to put them to death physically. Same way those who did any work on the sabbath day were meant to be put to death physically according to Exodus 31:15. It was a literal and physical instruction, not a spiritual one.

Those scriptures applied strictly to the Israelites under Mosaic law. There's no way you can fulfill that scripture today as you have no right to kill somebody.

Let us as Christians stop bending the old testament to fit into our own idea of what we think it should be. God hasn't sent you on a witch hunting commission.

ISpiksDaTroof: You missed my point completely. Im not saying people don't take desperate measures to enter Europe from Africa, all Im saying is if this thread is mainly about some people basically saying: "Well, if you're comfortable in Nigeria you'll never go abroad", why did the guy in the OP's story not just go to the Embassy and use his homes as proof that he has ties to his country instead of selling them and traveling through the desert and sailing on a raft in rough seas?

The OP is just upset that he can't make it out of Nigeria. Just my opinion.

I doubt the 'properties' mentioned in the OP are homes or lands. They could simply have been electronic gadgets, household furniture etc. Remember he said the traveller was his baby sister's friend? And since OP himself isn't an old man from his narratives, its clear the guy in question must be a young struggling Nigerian who knew he had nothing to present at the embassy hence opted for the 'cheaper' but suicidal route. He doesn't paint the picture of a comfortable Nigerian at all.

My take

mployer: Nawa oo

I tell you.

Some stay back in the country and succeed while some fail. Some go abroad and succeed while some also fail. The main thing is to be sure of what you want and be ready to take responsibility because refusing to take responsibility is the bane of we Nigerians. If government doesn't get the blame, we blame our ancestors, the devil or God. Even the government officials have started blaming witches and wizards for their ineptitude.

Decide what you want and go for it. Luxuriate in the outcome or drown in it. Just take charge.

ISpiksDaTroof: So a man with a lot of Properties---instead of using it as proof of ties to his country at the Embassy then traveling respectably---- sold it all and boarded a makeshift boat heading to Europe in a move that could've cost him his life?

Why do I smell major bullshit in this part of your story?

I don't think its bullshit bro. Had a colleague 10years ago who told me his story very similar to this. He said the journey is called "see morroco.....see Spain"

It was heartbreaking to say the least when he recounted the tales of his acquaintances who lost their lives. He too almost died in the desert but was lucky to return home, go back to school and earn his diploma which got him a junior job in a bank. He's a graduate now and a hotel manager somewhere in northern Nigeria.

Nigerians with their inventions

Image123: ^
Your friend begged me to stop speaking 'for' Fashola, which i honored. The APC political party where Fashola is currently one of their 'shining light' is sitting on religion. They're not likely to want to lose some Lagos votes because some religious zealots spread some propaganda about Fashola persecuting christians. There's about NOTHING for them to gain from such fight at this time, also he would be punching supposedly above his weight.
i'll stop there, don't push it.

@the bolded. As if you have anything to say on this issue beyond your skewed interpretation of the fashola connection.

See me 'begging' you again "pls stop speaking for fashola. You're doing a very bad job of it"

Image123: The bane of purposeless miracles and the craze of the lazy for signs and wonders. These are not christians.

Shhhh....."touch not my anointed....."




That was tongue in cheek o

Image123: i was speaking for him, not me. i just stated why i think he'd not pursue 'justice', i'm not here to defend the why. Fayemi might explain better, this is Nigeria and some people know what it takes to rule Nigeria. Fasola isn't Gani, i hope you know the difference in Nigeria's politics.

Pls stop speaking for him. You're doing a bad job of it. Even thieves and kidnappers have a 'cogent' reason why they do what they do. After all this is Nigeria where jobs are not available and no electricity to run a good business. Will you excuse someone who robs or abducts you brandishing that reason?

God won't come down to right the wrongs in this country when you and others make excuses for leaders based on religion, tribe or whatever. If BRF can't prosecute because he's Muslim, he should vacate the seat for the christian deputy to do the job.

Image123: ^
i think BRF stands to lose more than gain in pursuing this. It can easily spiral into a religious crisis. BRF is muslim. Moreso, if the S.A. government is looking into it, it is an issue between the federal governments. Why should he punch above his supposed weight and make more enemies for himself, his party and their political aspirations?

@the bolded.

As a honest Christian and a patriotic citizen, what do you think should be the primary concern? Protecting political interests or seeking justice for the helpless citizens whom he swore an oath to protect when he took office?

Do you think human lives are expendable items on the altar of political expediency?

Since Fashola became governor, have the courts ever convicted a Christian of any wrong doing? If the answer is yes, what is special about this instance?

Processor01: ...my Spanish and French is poor? Dude, seems like you need help with your grammar too.

For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you (Mat 7:2)

Candour, how have you been? Tried to reach you severally but seems you are off that platform. Ore, abeg let's connect. Cheers.

Been great. Took sometime off NL to pay more attention to some important issues.

Check your mail

Gombs: Yup, that's all i have to say... i fixed where you got it wrong.

OK o. Better be quick with your maganin to deal with all these fifu that will dare challenge your the anointing

Cheers bro

Gombs: Fixed

my friend my friend, i'm not against you fixing anything you wish to but is "fixed" all you can say? Did you just suddenly run out of what to say?

Gombs: Yup! He cursed ANYONE who speaks against the anointing in his ministry! He did not curse anyone who spoke against or insulted him.

So there's a difference between insulting him and insulting his anointing? You've never mentioned this before, when did u get this new revelation?

In other words, I can call him a liar, thief, promoter of fake and stage-managed miracles and a fraud as long as I don't refer to his 'anointing', he has no right to issue curses? If he does, he will simply show himself up as being very immature right?

Gombs: like i said, i know where this is going. Nice one buddy!



amen



you always welcome

Hmmm...my friend Gombs, I wish I also know where this is going that's making my friend avoid a simple answer like he always insists on others.

Gombs: 2 Peter 2: 12 KJV
 12  But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption

I did nothing ma'am, like I said, God did not curse them, they did themselves without knowing

What of speaking evil of boko haram spiritual leaders? Does this scripture also hold? Remember you advocated respecting every and any spiritual leader on one thread recently? Will God also curse the mog's who daily heap curses on BH spiritual leaders and foot soldiers?

Will it affect those who understand and know that the so called spiritual leader is a thief?

Does it also affect you considering your penchant for drawing up gifs to insult and mock some people you also do not understand their spiritual standing?

Gombs: Sir, go back to that thread and ruminate further, see reasons explained there, and by the way, it was not Pastor Chris that did it...I did not curse him for insulting Pastor Chris, now go back and see why! Stop twisting facts to suit your desires.

So what did you curse him for? Why should you curse him in the first place? Have you forgotten your own words about mature sons not doing that?

Your opinion sir, and you are entitled to one

The thread is there for all to see my friend. Its beyond being a personal opinion.

I know where this is going, Let me sit down and enjoy this moment

You do?? Pls make space for me beside you. Let me enjoy it too

I don't know what else to add to this write up. In fact, I don't think there's anything to add. Now I know why Rev King was caught by the law (though I wouldn't bet against him getting the judgement quashed in the nearest future): he wasnt big enough. If he was as big as the fatter cats, that case would have died a natural death.

If BRF whom most people feel is a bit more bold, articulate, exposed and refined is trying to avoid this case in Lagos of all places where even military dictators have been defied in the past because of politics, then Nigeria should just disband the justice system for it is dead already. It only remains a requiem for it.

I doubt there's hope for this country....I very much doubt it because the signs aren't good. The institutionalised church is now firmly in league with the government. George Orwell had Nigeria in mind when he wrote his classic. Considering how that novel ended, there's little to be optimistic about.

musKeeto:

But na true na. Self-service is the new tithe.

Muskeeto, you see why I no gree invite you come my church? Na wetin you for come there come talk be dis?

How body? Thank God for the NL crash....it brought you back from Mars.

No mind those obsessed with the topic o. Na lack of wife dey worry them but still, make plaetton leave this matter for Mathias.