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Christianity Etc › Fear Of Death - How Can You Overcome It ? by CANTICLES(op): 10:56pm On Aug 28, 2015

The Bible’s answer

We rightly fear death as an enemy and take reasonable Steps to protect our life. (
1 Corinthians 15:26) However, An irrational fear of death based on falsehood or Superstition makes people “subject to slavery all through Their lives.” ( Hebrews 2:15) Knowing the truth will free.

Fear of Death—How Can You Overcome It?
you from a morbid fear of death— a fear that can rob you Of the ability to enjoy life.—
FULL ARTICLE : http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/fear-of-death/

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Is Jesus' Death A Sacrifice If He Rose From The Dead ? by CANTICLES: 9:16pm On Aug 21, 2015

The question is solved , ONCE you realize that Jesus is the high priest of the New Covenant . ( Hebrews 8:1 )

In ancient Isreal , the sacrifice is not completed until the high priest enter into the Most Holy place with the blood of the sacrificed animals .

thats a shadow of what Christ will do .

This Requires That For the sacrifice of Christ to be completed and accepted , he must rise from the dead and enter into the heavens on our behalf . Hey ! Dont forget he is the high priest of this new covenant .

" However when Christ came as a high priest .. He entered into the holy place , not with the blood of goats and of young bulls, but with his own blood, once for all time, and obtained an everlasting deliverance for us" - Heb 9:11,12, 24 .

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Is Jesus' Death A Sacrifice If He Rose From The Dead ? by CANTICLES: 9:16pm On Aug 21, 2015

The question is solved , ONCE you realize that Jesus is the high priest of the New Covenant . ( Hebrews 8:1 )

In ancient Isreal , the sacrifice is not completed until the high priest enter into the Most Holy place with the blood of the sacrificed animals .

thats a shadow of what Christ will do .

This Requires That For the sacrifice of Christ to be completed and accepted , he must rise and enter into the heavens on our behalf . Hey ! Dont forget he is the high priest of this new covenant .

" However when Christ came as a high priest .. He entered into the holy place , not with the blood of goats and of young bulls, but with his own blood, once for all time, and obtained an everlasting deliverance for us" - Heb 9:11,12, 24 .

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Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Is God, How Can He, As God, Die? by CANTICLES: 7:49pm On Jul 22, 2015

dejilg:
Really? and I thought u read the Bible do "angels of Yahweh receive worship
cos this particular "Malakh Yahweh" receives worship and is identified as "God". Pls know what u argue abt before u go into it

^ It has been proved that Jesus is an ANGEL .

Dejilg: " Yes ! That Angel is the .. Lord Jesus"
^ and scripture told us that all the ANGELS OF YAHWEH ( Malakh Yahweh) are CREATED beings (psalm 148:2,5) *smiles* trinity destroyed.

^ the angel that fights with Jacob is also called God ( Hosea 12: 3,4 ) *smiles* no big deal here .

^ an angel also receives worship from Joshua , ( joshua 5:14) , he is the COMMANDER/CHIEF angel of the armies in heaven .

Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Is God, How Can He, As God, Die? by CANTICLES: 6:55pm On Jul 22, 2015

dejilg:
and that settles it right
Very funny coming from a guy that wud hold u to prove somethin!!!
Must be hard for u in school...
I guess wen u call ur girlfriend "angel" she must be residing in heaven or perhaps she's a demon on earth now since she doesn't reside in heaven anymore---called her a fallen angel den....
Remember "angel is angel"

You are wrong because the girl is not an ANGEL OF YAHWEH .

But concerning the ANGEL OF YAHWEH Judges 13:11 , you testified thus: " Yes! That ANGEL is the pre -incarnate Lord JESUS "

With that singel statement , the whole trinity theory sinks because all the angels of Yahweh are Created . And uv proved Jesus is one of them .

Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Is God, How Can He, As God, Die? by CANTICLES: 6:34pm On Jul 22, 2015

dejilg:
[s]
lolzzz, if u ever know that the word translated "Angel" is not ur own definition of wat it is...go check on d hebrew word "Malakh" and get wat the jews understood by "malakh Yahweh"

do enjoy ur day while u do sometin meaning [/s]

Vain Excuses , ANGEL is ANGEL

Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Is God, How Can He, As God, Die? by CANTICLES: 4:17pm On Jul 19, 2015*

dejilg:
Yes, infact that "Angel" is the Pre Incarnate Lord Jesus ...He is the manifestation of Yahweh on earth! do a quick read on "Angel of YHWH" or "Malakh YHWH" of the old testament...see that the figure is "God" and made such claims with His words too!!!

I wonder if the lady will believe me if I say "I am God" --- does this change anything at all? Infact this will make people to either mock me or even kill me...so why demand such from Jesus? but we find Jesus demonstrating that He is infact YHWH that accompanied Israel all through the Old Testament...that's a more solid proof than saying "I am God"

Hmm , @BOLD ... You just proved that Jesus is an angel .

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Michael The Archangel In The Bible? by CANTICLES: 12:23pm On Jul 19, 2015

Gejpresident:
Op=dunce

Hmm , the voice of jesus cant raise the dead anymore , he will have to rent the voice of an arch-angel ?

Christianity Etc › Re: If Jesus Is God, How Can He, As God, Die? by CANTICLES: 8:55am On Jul 19, 2015

starlingslimnet:
"Before Abraham was I AM" Thats it there 4 u He claim He is the I AM who I AM. again "I AM the way,the truth and life" I AM is the Tittle of YAHWEY whom u call Jehovah. Here see "And you will die in your sins if you do not believe that "I AM WHO I AM" other version says "unless you believe i am HE" remember the Title "HE" is used for God Almighty in Isaiah many times "I'm the first and the last, I AM HE" Thats what God calls Himself in Isaiah "I AM HE". Jesus saying "I AM HE" makes the Jew says "You been man made urself God". They understand the word "HE", "I AM". To ur Suprise i will tell u this "The Father was not revealed throughout the Old Testament.The person Abraham speaks to was Jesus the Lord nd dats why Jesus exclaim "Your Father Abraham long to see my day He saw it and rejoice" all the prophets in the Scripture call upon Jesus the Lord always. Then Jesus came but they do not know him as the Lord God,He came to reveal to them the Deity of God,He explain to them of the Father,Son and the Holy Spirit. The Jews did not know there is a Father so they ask him "Where is ur Father" they do not even know God. Jesus is God every word of the prophet points it out plain unless u will reject it like the Jews reject bcus dey don't know who Jesus is neither did they know d Father,talkless of the Holy Spirit.

She asked you to show her the scripture where Jesus said I am God , you are quoting " I Am" , VERY FUNNY, so you are teling me this angel in judges 13:11 is God Almighty since he claim " I AM"

New Living Translation
Manoah ran back with his wife and
Asked, "Are you the man who spoke to
my wife the other day?" "Yes," he
Replied, "I am."

English Standard Version
And Manoah arose and went after his
wife and came to the man and said to
him, “Are you the man who spoke to
this woman?” And he said, “I am.” ? ?

Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With A Young Christian Girl by CANTICLES: 6:52am On Jul 19, 2015

johnw74:
God and the word is God
Yet again still more scriptures showing the word-Jesus Christ is God

God said He will not give His glory to another
the Word-Jesus Christ has all the glory of the Father

Isa 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

The Word was with God before God did any works at all

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

The LORD and the Word are Eternal.

Proverb 8:22 RSV
" the LORD Created me at the beginning of his works , the first of his act of old"

Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With A Young Christian Girl by CANTICLES: 4:45pm On Jul 15, 2015

johnw74:
The discussion has been about the diffrent Hebrew words for "bought forth" in proverbs 8:24 "when there were no depths I was bought forth"
and "brought forth" in Psalms 90:2 "befote the mountains were bought forth"
which you wrongly said were the same word.

The sentence being talked about in psalms was not "earth and the productive land are brought forth"
which you have twisted it around to be,
jw twists and lies, and changes the subject etc, often.

Bro, a little research would have helped you

Hebrew to english of psalm 90:2

[e] 22962
bə·ṭe·rem 2
בְּטֶ֤רֶם ׀ 2
Before 2
Prep 2
2022 [e]
hā·rîm
הָ֘רִ֤ים
the mountains
Noun
3205 [e]
yul·lā·ḏū,
､ יֻלָּ֗דוּ
were brought forth
Verb

2342 [e]
wat·tə·ḥō·w·lêl
וַתְּח֣וֹלֵֽל
or ever You had formed
Verb
776 [e]
’e·reṣ
אֶ֣רֶץ
the earth
Noun

8398 [e]
wə·ṯê·ḇêl;
､ וְתֵבֵ֑ל
and the world
Noun

Notice the bold with reference to our earth , the word translated " FORMED the earth" refers us to strongs concordance 2342 .

Now lets see the hebrew to english of proverb 8:24

[e] 24369
bə·’ên- 24
בְּאֵין־ 24
When no 24
Prt 24
8415 [e]
tə·hō·mō·wṯ
､ תְּהֹמ֥וֹת
[there were] depths
Noun

2342 [e]
ḥō·w·lā·lə·tî;
– חוֹלָ֑לְתִּי
I was brought forth
Verb

Notice again that the same word was used , our reference is still strong's concordance 2342, SAME .

NOW LETS CHECK STRONGS HEBREWS 2342

רִ֤ים יֻלָּ֗דוּוַתְּח֣וֹלֵֽלאֶ֣רֶץFree

2342. Chuwl ►◄Hebrew > 2342 Downloads
Strong's Concordance
Chuwl: bear
Original Word:חוּל
Part of Speech:Verb
Transliteration:chuwl
Phonetic Spelling sad

khool)
Short Definition:bear

Can you see ? The same word is " chuwl" meaning to bear i.e give birth

Its clear that Jesus and our earth are product of being bear meaning to "give birth to " , its clear the two has same meaning .

Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With A Young Christian Girl by CANTICLES: 5:35am On Jul 15, 2015

johnw74:
The Hebrew words that we get "bought forth" from can mean many things depending on what is being spoken about.

Gen_14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

King Melchizedek didn't give birth to, or create the bread and wine, he bought out bread and wine for Abraham.

This context is not about creation . The hebrew word translated brought forth is 'yatsa' , thats why its translated "brought out bread" in some versions .

In Proverbs 8:23 the Word of God, was "setup" (anointed) - in verse 24 He was "bought forth" to begin the creation of all things.

What does it mean that "he was brought forth "?

Proverb 8:24 " I was brought forth (chuwl) " and psalm 90:2 " earth and the productive land are brought forth (chuwl)" , ?

Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With A Young Christian Girl by CANTICLES: 5:05am On Jul 15, 2015

johnw74:
What I told you is that you are wrong,
the words that "bought forth" come from in Proverbe and Psalms that you quoted
are not the same words, which you said that they are.
Read my reply to you again seeing as you didn't understand it.

Gentleman, whats the hebrew word translated "brought forth here . " you brought forth the earth and the productive land" psalm 90:2 ?

Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With A Young Christian Girl by CANTICLES: 8:42pm On Jul 14, 2015

NumberOne2:
Oh now the scriptures are NOT in English? However, we have brains to understand CONTEXT irrespective of language.
My first post here criticize the OP English but it was taken as an insult. Look at it now. It is clear!
If the OP was honest, this thread wouldn't be this long as sufficent answers have been given.
So why must the OP insist that (BROUGHT FORTH = CREATED).

** MODIFIED **
So the simple question remains as before after 48 hours (IN ANY LANGUAGE AVAILABLE)...

Ahh, this is fun.

Prov 8:22 " Jehovah produced me ( jesus) as the begining of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago"

Strongly supported by the greek septuagint LXX .

Christianity Etc › Re: Two Things You Need To Know As A Jehovah's Witness! by CANTICLES: 4:51pm On Jul 14, 2015*

JMAN05:
If any honest hearted person here wants to ask question, let him do so. Emusan is not ready to see his error.

Well done bro , just some few minutes ago I came across a thread where a female atheist gave emusan a bible lecture .

Check this thread on pages 4 and 5 https://www.nairaland.com/2392515/did-anyone-ascend-into-heaven/5

Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With A Young Christian Girl by CANTICLES: 4:23pm On Jul 14, 2015

NumberOne2:
Please, leave Greek or Hebrew. She quoted English text and my bible is in English.
Her conversation with that girl was in English and all answers given so far are in English.
A simple understanding of context would have spared us all this mess.
So if your bible is in Greek or Hebrew, you can also help answer the question in such a language.

** MODIFIED **
So the simple question remains (IN GREEK, HEBREW, YORUBA, IGBO or HAUSA)...

I gave you the greek and hebrew root words to dig out the truth . By now you should know Scripture wasnt wriiten in english . Therefore you need a good knowledge of those hebrew and greek root words .

Peace.

Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With A Young Christian Girl by CANTICLES: 3:50pm On Jul 14, 2015

NumberOne2:
There is nothing to win or loose here. Atheist or not, we all understand English.
I want to OP to see the futility in FORCING brought forth to ALWAYS be create just to cause confusion.

Calm down ... My response to johnw74 regarding the hebrew word in those two verses reveal the truth .

If you read my post I explained what I meant by create.

Explain to me what you meant by create ?

But MizJanet has insisted (and even summarize it from my post and everyone elses) that it MUST always be CREATE (irrespective of context).

Hey ! Am not defending her , but truth need to be told ... She never go beyond the context of psalm 90:2 and proverb 8:24 that simply means create .

So the simple question remains...

You can help answer it also. Thanks

what does the hebrew word chuwl have in common with greek tikto that appear in Matt 1:25 ? They both means " brought forth/Produce"

Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With A Young Christian Girl by CANTICLES: 7:33am On Jul 14, 2015

johnw74:
It's not clear at all, in fact it's wrong.
They are not the same word at all, you are only looking at english translations
the hebrew words in proverbs 8 for "I was brought forth" is chul chiyl
the hebrew word in psalm 90 for "bought forth" is yalad.
they both have diffrent meanings to each other, and each word has more than one meaning.

Mr John , read properly infact what you wrote above will give the person that start this thread more reason to embarass .

Psalm 90:2 " mountains were brought forth (yalad), or you brought forth (chul/chiyl) the earth and the productive land " , are u telling me this doesnt mean our earth is Created ?

Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience With A Young Christian Girl by CANTICLES: 9:00pm On Jul 13, 2015

NumberOne2:
Ha ha. I had a good laugh. Cross out my question? You know why you cant answer my question?
Cos it will kill your question on this thread. If brought forth only means CREATE, then we will say:

And knew her not till she had brought forth (CREATED) her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus. - Matthew 1:25

But the above cannot be true. Can you honestly see your error?
Atleast I have attempted to answer you once. When you answer this once, I will answer you again. Its a dialogue right not a monologue? Thanks

So the question remains...

Am not an atheist like the op ... But she has won you already coz its clear that the brought forth in proverb 8:24 is the same brought forth used in reference to the creation of earth and the world in psalm 90:2 . Funny enough, uv also said literally it means creation .

Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Ajanaku’s Wife Again, Says “my Husband Is Not Dead, I Talk To Him Daily” by CANTICLES: 8:54pm On Jul 13, 2015

this woman is only sponsoring Satan's statement in the garden of eden. Satan said " you will surely NOT DIE" Gen 3:4 ... This woman said : " my husband is NOT DEAD" , both complement each other .

Christianity Etc › For Young People : Is MouthAction Really Sex ? by CANTICLES(op): 11:51am On Jun 26, 2015

What do you think ? And What are the facts ? , infact why does it matter to know this ? A simple and direct analysis is made here at www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/ask/oral-sex/

After reading , you may air your views on this thread

Christianity Etc › Re: Clinically Dead 3-year Old Comes Back To Life, Saw Granny In Heaven! by CANTICLES: 6:30pm On Jun 23, 2015

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Birthday Celebrations A Sin As JW Would Have You Believe? by CANTICLES: 6:08pm On Jun 23, 2015

Emusan:
Imaging I should stop disgracing myself is coming from someone who couldn't counter any of my post but only attacks strawman.

PLEASE SHOW this thread where it is written in the scriptures that " Abraham did a big BIRTHDAY PARTY for isaac" ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Birthday Celebrations A Sin As JW Would Have You Believe? by CANTICLES: 3:12pm On Jun 23, 2015

Emusan:
Read all my post.

stop disgracing yourself , so you cant show me where it is CLEARLY AND NEATLY WRITTEN THAT Abraham did a big " BIRTHDAY PARTY " for Isaac ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Birthday Celebrations A Sin As JW Would Have You Believe? by CANTICLES: 3:12pm On Jun 23, 2015

Emusan:
Read all my post.

stop disgracing yourself , so you cant show me where it is CLEARLY AND NEATLY WRITTEN THAT Abraham did a big " BIRTHDAY PARTY " for Isaac ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Birthday Celebrations A Sin As JW Would Have You Believe? by CANTICLES: 3:06pm On Jun 23, 2015

Emusan

Abraham actually did a big [size=23] birthday party for isaac [/size] when he was three years old

Show me where it is written that Abraham did a big "BIRTHDAY PARTY" For Isaac ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Birthday Celebrations A Sin As JW Would Have You Believe? by CANTICLES: 4:17pm On Jun 21, 2015

paulGrundy:
Dogs are mentioned in the Bible 40 times, and in every mention they are described disparagingly. They are said to be lowly and unclean, used as an allegory for sodomites (Deut 23:17,18), and said to be no part of the New System (Rev 22:15). Yet, the Watchtower does not conclude dogs are not for Christians.

Bro , dogs are not sodomites nor pagans , they are animals that act on instinct , am 100% sure you dont know that a righteous man in the bible own dogs to protect his sheeps ? Dust off ur bible and read Job 30:1 .

Eye paint is mentioned twice, once in reference to wicked queen Jezebel (2 Kings 9:30) and secondly to apostate Israel (Jer 4:30), yet

Baseless, remember Job named one of his daughter in honour of eye paint , the name kerren - happuch means " horn of the black (eye) Paint"

For my trilion dollars , show me a righteous man that observe birthday celebration in the bible ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Birthday Celebrations A Sin As JW Would Have You Believe? by CANTICLES: 8:15pm On Jun 19, 2015

Esdb3:
Canticles reply!!!!!

Am HAPPY the person u quote could not say anything about my post , but RATHER went ahead to present two cases which further reveal his grade 'A' confusion .

Point 1 : dogs

Dogs themselves are animals that act on instinct not sodomites , and proverb 12:10 says [color=brown] " the righteous one takes care of his domestic animals " [/brown], for my trillion dollars , do we have any example of a righteous man that owns dog ? Yes , Job keeps dog to help guard his sheep ( Job 30:1)

Point 2: Eye Paint

Eye paint are general cosmetics used by women in bible times. even women who fears God, this is evident from the name of Jobs Daughter Kerren - Happuch meaning " horn of the black (eye) paint " . Notice The underlined .

THAT SHOWS YOUR POINTS AR INVALID. Can you also give an example of a righteous man who celebrate his birthday in the bible?*NONE* ,birthday celebration is ONLY mention wit reference to pagans

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Christians Afraid Of Dying----Imoh David by CANTICLES: 6:28am On Jun 16, 2015

NumberOne2:
Who says one MUST die to go to Heaven? Did you not read of Enoch and Elijah?

Nice one bro , Enoch and Elijah go to heaven , yet Jesus still said " no man has ever ascend to heaven" john 3:13. think

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Christians Afraid Of Dying----Imoh David by CANTICLES: 11:03pm On Jun 15, 2015

ProphetUdeme:
john 17 vs 15 - I pray that You should not take them (the believers) out of the world but that You should keep them from the evil.
We have a lot of task to fulfill on this earth. We the believers are God's mouthpiece. God speaks to you thru us. He calls you to repentance thru our preaching. Then when the set time is appointed when the Lord shall descend from heaven and we the believers and you the sinner who believed our gospel and change, we both shall be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we be with Him forever and ever. Even so. Amen.

Stop fooling yourself bro , Jesus dont bliv in the pagan greek concept of afterlife RATHER he likened death to SLEEP , indicating that the dead are conscious of nothing at all - John 11:11-14 ,ecc 9:5

Pointing to RESURECTION as the only hope for the dead ( john 5:28,29)

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are Birthday Celebrations A Sin As JW Would Have You Believe? by CANTICLES: 10:44pm On Jun 15, 2015

Esdb3:
Mary was a jew! The king who had his birthday was a ~~JEW TOO!~~

Go and re - read history , the herods are Edomites , descendants of Edom .

The gospel was taken to the poor, Jesus was poor so how could he have attended a king's birthday ceremony?!

That makes you wonder why he attend a marriage feast and not a birthday party .

No christian ever CELEBRATED a wedding am not talking about attendance!

Mr man, wedding feast is cherished by godly men and women , even Jesus compared himself to a bridegroom at a wedding feast .

" the bridegroom came , the virgins who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast." - Matthew 25:10

think about the word "bridegroom".

Have you heard about the marriage of the lamb ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Christians Afraid Of Dying----Imoh David by CANTICLES: 7:43pm On Jun 15, 2015

ProphetUdeme:
amen. I greatly rejoice in the Spirit when i see my brethren like you walking in the truth. I have no other greater joy than to see my brethren in Christ walking in the truth ( 3 john 1 -4) God bless you

The folly of afterlife . Why dont you pray for death ? Is it not your visa to heaven ?

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