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An2elect2:
John 17:12

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

An2elect2:
But by implication you are saying just that.
Let's face the matter: Is Christ's death enough for the salvation of a sinner. That's what the Bible says.

Then if so, he cannot be saved by his choice but by grace.

If I ask you now. Why are you saved and the other not saved. You would say what you have been saying "I did choose to be saved while the other did not choose to be saved" You won't say this "It is Grace that saved me. I am who I am by the grace of God." But that's the difference between self-righteous and true righteousness.



[i] Check all my threads. I've become a diligent student of the Bible by God's grace. And what I'm saying is what our fathers in the faith have been saying, they are what the apostle Paul preached, they are what the first Christians knew. Test all I've been saying. Search the scriptures honestly and tell me if I've been lying

This is what I believed too when I wasn't studying the Bible but I'm now repenting from all of them because they are not scriptural

Charliemorgano:
To be single @ 30+ for ladies, guys should learn to support and encourage them not using hurting words ... A typical instance..i went to collect a document for my boss in ikoyi..on getting there the lady who should have given me the parcel went for lunch and locked it in her locker...One of the guys was very angry about that action that he had to confront her,an argument ensued and the guy told her that is this her bad attitude that has chased men away from her.. She broke into tears
...i felt bad

beau49:
Alrite point taken....I guess u r rite abt sumtinz buh i still stand on my no sex b4 my marriage rule ....nt everybody can treat sex casually u lyk u seem 2#Cheers

Mimzyy:
As if we have faithful men out there.

An2elect2:
LOL that famous verse all freewillers hold onto even when their free will interpretation is not consistent with others.
They must hold on to this and damn what the others say. They don't mind letting a contradiction and turning a blind eye to all the parts that deny free will.

It's like saying, "except you be born again you cannot enter the Kingdom of God" john3,5. But isn't it He that commands that gives the power to do or does the work?

Those who were born to receive Him and were given power to believe Him, by whose power and will were they born?

But as many as received Him to them gave he power to become sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.
which were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, NOR OF THE WILL OF MAN, BUT OF GOD John 1,12,13.

Or will you say man receives before being born? Which one comes first birth(life) or action?


There are just too many scriptures that refute the freewiller's claim. The one you quoted does not support freewill either.

To you this means anyone can approach God?

[s] Let me not bother you with the prayers that are abhorred first and wait for you toprove this with other scriptures. Can you? [/s]

luvmijeje:
God bless you.

An2elect2:
Do you too believe men have some "free will" to choose God?

Remember you can't approach God in prayer outside of salvation.

MZLady39:
That's what I'm wondering
Perhaps he just wasn't familiar with your posts.

Peacefullove:
Countless times, have heard Christian televangelist and their various adherents Scream on top of their voices the words of Mark 9:43 to force and scare u to convert to the mainstream Christianity. ONLY if you listen to the silent voices beneath the said verse .

it reads

"And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire." - Mark 9 vs 43 . only few people would see the silent voice in this verse right now, do you ?

One thing is certain, You no doubt see hell and unquenchable fire . thats all you are concerned about . Kindly listen again.

" And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. "

Now read the bold again and again , Your two hands with which u are scrolling this page would also follow a man to Hell , Am I missing something ? Pls how many dead people have we seen died and their Two hands disappeared into Hell ? answer please . Note that the above verse said man will go into Hell with his Two Hands , haba!

if no one has actually go to this hell with their two hands, Is Jesus Lying ?

Hairyrapunzel:
Dont think every wordly person smokes weed because your religion teaches that. Lol. Cannot handle criticism eya. Ask Jesus if he lied. I don't have hatred for jw people but how I have problem with people who say their God is loving yet will commit mass genocide on people who refuse to become jws yet theSame people say a religion that believes in hellfire has a cruel God.

Matthew 7:4-5 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye? 5You hypocrite! First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Jesus doesn't lie and if you have a problem with someone using two hands to go to hell which has unquenchable fire I said take it to Jesus Christ.

Hairyrapunzel:
Dont think every wordly person smokes weed because your religion teaches that. Lol. Cannot handle criticism eya. Ask Jesus if he lied. I don't have hatred for jw people but how I have problem with people who say their God is loving yet will commit mass genocide on people who refuse to become jws yet theSame people say a religion that believes in hellfire has a cruel God.

Matthew 7:4-5 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye? 5You hypocrite! First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Jesus doesn't lie and if you have a problem with someone using two hands to go to hell which has unquenchable fire I said take it to Jesus Christ.

Splinz:
Ordinarily, I shouldn't be replying you again, since it's obvious you've made your conclusions without first listening or asking for proofs that I spoke of. This is certainly not a good way to learn.

One was hoping that you'd ask for proofs before raising your objections where you felt the need. But regrettably, you hastily quoted scriptures that I know very well.

Well then, since you've already shut your mind from receiving other views other than yours, you can as well keep what you think you know.

DoctorAlien:
A is still a father to C, okay? It doesn't matter whether it is grand or great grand. Those are just adjectives. He is still a father to C!

Edited: We normally use the word "fathers" to mean our ancestors. It simply means they were all fathers to us: whether grand or great grand.

Do you have any more reasonable questions?

DoctorAlien:
This is simple logic: A is a Father to B, and B is a Father to C. Therefore A is a Father to C.

Take time and study all my posts on this thread before you ask your next question, because I'm very sure you didn't read my posts.

DoctorAlien:
Can you point out any place where I explicitly said that GOD the Father is not the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

GOD the Father is the GOD of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Therefore, GOD the Father is the GOD of those three.

Splinz:
Exactly, brother. This claim can be conveniently proven.

DoctorAlien:
Yes.

Splinz:
Certainly yes, Jesus did declared Himself God, and indeed He is!

Here is the unmistakably prove of it: "God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'" (Exodus 3:14). Also, this is another solid prove that Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament.

DoctorAlien:
Could anything be more clear? It was the One who became Jesus Christ who literally walked and talked with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. He was the One who dealt directly with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He was the One who spoke "face to face" with Moses (Numbers 12:8 ). He was the One who spoke the Ten Commandments from the top of Mount Sinai!

Emusan:
As if you don't jump question too



After offer ALTERNATIVE but what is their main RENDERING?

Do you hold Alternative rendering at footnote of NWT than the main Rendering?

solite3:
comon ans me?
You know there is only one God all others are false gods. Is Jesus God? If yes is he a true God or a false god?

solite3:
are you telling me there are two gods?

Emusan:
The Father called His Son God, yes or no? Heb 1:8

Anas09:
Twist it how you like,

Anas09:
You dont have this in your Bible?

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation:20:10

Anas09:
The second death which burns with fire and brim stones?

solite3:
so Jesus is not the great God of the whole universe?
Lol @ bold stop deluding yourself. The father referred to him as God also.
Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

solite3:
the truth hurts you that is why you cannot even try to prove me wrong no Jehovah witness on earth can, instead you either start jumping from one translation to another or you throw baseless accusations.see your confusion, which translation are you talking about? Your ignorance stinks. Do you think all translations were translated by the same people?
I quoted your translation which also has " All things" in it, yet you could not comment.

Look at yourself I guess the truth has hit you so hard that you cannot but try to throw baseless accusation.