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solite3:
hahahaha please read this
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Now according to you John is wrong, All things were not made through Christ?

Do you realise what you are saying?

solite3:
you haven't answered my question, were there things that was not made through Christ?
Don't be evasive pls

solite3:
My question is simple. Did God create something without Christ?

DoctorAlien:
If it's not literal wisdom, what type of wisdom is it?

Quote 1 Cor. 1:30 on this thread.

The Bible clearly calls Jesus the wisdom of GOD.

Do you mean wisdom was created? Yes or No?

DoctorAlien:
CANTICLES,

Let's assume Prov. 8:22 was referring to Jesus. 1 Cor. 1:30 also calls Jesus the wisdom of GOD. Now, was wisdom created? Yes or No?

DoctorAlien:
Did the Bible lie in Jn. 1:3 and Col. 1:16 when it said that there was nothing created that was not created by Jesus?

DoctorAlien:
Go and check the Greek manuscripts, you will see that the words for "was" and "am" in that text are different.

Will you?

DoctorAlien:
According to you, Jesus was created.

According to the Bible, there was nothing created that was not created by Jesus. (Jn. 1:3; Col. 1:16)

Now, did Jesus create Himself? Yes or No?

DoctorAlien:
But you did not answer my question:

The correct sentence by concord in english is "Before Abraham, I was". Why did the Bible write "Before Abraham was, I am"?

DoctorAlien:
And who ever said the Father was made or created? Are you now confused?

Stop dodging the question. Answer it.

DoctorAlien:
Why didn't the Bible read thus: "Before Abraham was, I was" since this is the correct sentence by the rule of concord?

DoctorAlien:
Address the question at hand: did Jesus create Himself?

If no, did the Bible lie that nothing was created that was not created by Jesus, since you said Jesus was a created being?

DoctorAlien:
"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. Then took they up stones to cast at him..." Jn. 8:58-59

Why did they take up stones to cast at Him?

DoctorAlien:
"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. Then took they up stones to cast at him..." Jn. 8:58-59

Why did they take up stones to cast at Him?

DoctorAlien:
What is funny about the question?

The Bible unequivocally states in Jn. 1:3 and Col. 1:16 that there was nothing created that was not created by Jesus. Now, if Jesus was a created being, did He created Himself?

DoctorAlien:
"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. " Jn. 1:3

"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" Col. 1:16.

It is clear from the above verses that Jesus created every thing that was created. Now, if Jesus was created, did Jesus create Himself?

DoctorAlien:
Who said so?

It is very clear that John was narrating in Jn. 5:18. John narrated that the Jews wanted to kill Jesus because He made Himself equal with GOD.

JESUS MADE HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD!

DoctorAlien:
Yes. According to Pharisaic standards, Jesus broke the Sabbath.

Can you still deny that John asserted that Jesus made Himself equal with GOD?

DoctorAlien:
I'm sorry but it was John speaking in Jn. 5:18 and not religious leaders. Can't you see?

DoctorAlien:
I'm still shocked someone could say Jesus Christ was created. Something that can never be found anywhere in the Bible.

Rilwayne001:
One is Yahweh and the other is Jesus.

Vendoor:
Please help me

Vendor

Blending this two Gods together

Vendoor:
1. God Old
2. God New

Vendoor:
The Bible God of Old Testament often command israelites his people to destroy their neighbors (Moabites, Philistines, e.t.c). Thus sayest thy Lord to the King through The prophet. Then, hundreds of Thousands of armies match into the battle field with heavy losses from both side. Sometimes, the israel God fortify his own with extra power to destroy their Neighbors. The reason because they are unbelievers and offcause, some other hidden motives.


The New Testament on the other hand suggest that God want us to love our neighbors just as we love ourselves, Thus a God of peace and love, not war. And the act of killing must be avoided at all course. Well, the bringer of the second message was brutally murder because his words did not align with God of the Old Testament. Thus, his message became a threat to the existing priestly and prophetic ordinances of israel.


Blending these two Gods together was the biggest blonder made by early christians and you trying to classify both as one today will be the most illogical conclusion you will ever arrived.


Just try it, I'm waiting!

brocab:
No, Stop trying to twist my words lair-if you had read my hole page with dignity, it would tell you, why your ancestors, wanted to destroy Jesus.
The pharisees never believed in Him, and why should you. Both pharisees in different time flames.
If you knew how to read the scriptures, Jesus broke the Sabbath law according to the Pharisees.

brocab:
[s] It is you who had rejected Jesus, Jesus was accused by your ancestors the pharisees, claiming He broke their law on the Sabbath, when He Healed a mans hand. Only because the scriptures tells us the Sabbath is a day to rest to keep it Holy, so when Jesus healed the mans hand the Pharisees took offence to it, the Sabbath as its written in the scriptures {Genesis 2:2} {Exodus 20:8-11} Remember the Sabbath day to Keep it Holy, six days you shall labour, and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath to the Lord your God, On it you shall not do any work, you or your son, or your daughter, your male servant or your female servant. So don't be alarmed when your ancestors tried to destroy Jesus when He broke their law.
So you being a JW need to take this one up with your ancestors, they didn't accept Christ then, and you don't accept Christ now. [/s]

brocab:
[s] It is you who had rejected Jesus, Jesus was accused by your ancestors the pharisees, claiming He broke their law on the Sabbath, when He Healed a mans hand. Only because the scriptures tells us the Sabbath is a day to rest to keep it Holy, so when Jesus healed the mans hand the Pharisees took offence to it, the Sabbath as its written in the scriptures {Genesis 2:2} {Exodus 20:8-11} Remember the Sabbath day to Keep it Holy, six days you shall labour, and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath to the Lord your God, On it you shall not do any work, you or your son, or your daughter, your male servant or your female servant. So don't be alarmed when your ancestors tried to destroy Jesus when He broke their law.
So you being a JW need to take this one up with your ancestors, they didn't accept Christ then, and you don't accept Christ now. [/s]

brocab:
It is you who had rejected Jesus, Jesus was accused by your ancestors the pharisees, claiming He broke their law on the Sabbath, when He Healed a mans hand. Only because the scriptures tells us the Sabbath is a day to rest to keep it Holy, so when Jesus healed the mans hand the Pharisees took offence to it, the Sabbath as its written in the scriptures {Genesis 2:2} {Exodus 20:8-11} Remember the Sabbath day to Keep it Holy, six days you shall labour, and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath to the Lord your God, On it you shall not do any work, you or your son, or your daughter, your male servant or your female servant. So don't be alarmed when your ancestors tried to destroy Jesus when He broke their law.
So you being a JW need to take this one up with your ancestors, they didn't accept Christ then, and you don't accept Christ now.

brocab:
You need to ask your brothers and sisters the Pharisees, they rejected Jesus doing good on the Sabbath.

brocab:
If you knew your scriptures more clearly you would have knowing Jesus didn't pay tithes. Now understand these simple verses {Matthew 17:24-27} Now those who receive the temple tax came to Peter and said, does your teacher not pay the temple tax, "He said yes" And when Peter had come into the house Jesus asked Him saying Simon Peter, From whom to the Kings of the earth take Customs or tax, from their Sons or from Strangers? "Peter said to Him from Strangers" Jesus said to Him then the Sons are Free.
"Jesus said never the less at least we offend them" go to the sea, cast a hook and the first fish that comes up take the money and give it to them for you and Me.
[size=26] Matter of fact Jesus even broke the Sabbath rules, [/size] He actually healed a mans hand inside the synagogue. Of course your own countrymen the Pharisees weren't to happy about it. You should know this part about your own religious ancestors, you all wanted to murder the Christ. You did after 3 years. But He come what He came for, Jesus saved the world.
I do understand why you feel Jesus didn't do enough for you-and this is why you keep Jehovah God as your main attraction, I find this always with the Atheist, I was once myself' and Jesus name never really came into assistance. But God alone.
I actually thought you were the studying type-but of course I was wrong about you-I should have realised you worship a God you don't even know-and you call yourself a JW and you had already denied Charles Russell was your founder." You are more of a copywriter, without having the knowledge to study.
The day of worship was on the Sabbath Saturday back then-and still many Christians today keep that day as Holy as it were.
But If I was to worship on a Sunday, and I read the scriptures, to find out Sunday isn't the Sabbath day, I would find out why" and study who gave whom the authority to change the day?
Yet for nearly 2000 years had past, now millions of Christians have worship on Sunday. "The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath {Luke 6:5} Here Jesus staked His claim and forbid anyone to meddle with the Sabbath, Yet He knew their will be those who would claim the power to Change God's law. Through Daniel He warned of just such a man. Describing of a "Little horn power" {Daniel 7:8} Daniel describes he will speak against the Most High and oppress His Saints, and try to change the set times and the Laws" {Daniel 7:25}
Paul made a similar prediction:" Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will appose and will exalt himself over everything the is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming Himself to be God. {2 Thessalonians 2:3-7}
{Here is something for you-The Pope claims he can forgive Sins}
Paul warned that the blasphemy was already at work, and that is will come not from the outside influence, but from within the Church {2 Thessalonians 2:7, Acts 20:28-30} Sure enough, not long after Paul's day apostasy appeared in the Church.
About a 100 years before Christianity, Egyptian, Mithraists introduce the festival of Sunday, dedicated to worshipping the Sun, into the Roman empire. Later as Christianity grew, Church leaders wished to increase the numbers of the Church. In order to make the gospel more attractive to non Christians, pagan customs were incorporated into the Church ceremonies. The custom of Sunday worship was welcomed by Christians who desired to differentiate themselves from the Jews, whom they hated because of the Jew's rejection of the savoir. The first day of the began to be recognised as both a religious and civil holiday. By the end of the second century, Christians considered it sinful to work on Sunday.
The Roman emperor Constantine, a former Sun worshipper, confessed conversion to Christianity, through his subsequent actions suggest the "conversion" was more of a Political move then a genuine heart change. Constantine named himself bishop of the Catholic Church, and enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday Observance in A.D.321.
Firstly this information may shoot straight over your head, but at least with this information in front of you, you dolphinheart worship a day, that the Catholic Church had designed for witnesses as yourself
And if you don't know which day you should worship then I advise you to stay at home and study some of Romes history why they changed the Sabbath day, into the Sunday-History states through Pagan religion, they don't worship the SON they worship the SUN.

You want answers but you aren't prepared to read or watch them-Secondly I gave you the video so maybe you could have learned something about History, but I suppose that's to difficult for you, to even know such knowledge.
I would hate to be a JW, it must be hard for you all, not allowed to study outside the Church, if the JW's are as good as they believe they are-then why do you believe in the unknown God and not Jesus
Dolphinheart's Quote> does this affect the witnesses? The answer to this question yes it does, People from all walks of life are searching for the truth, and because of the many religious back grounds around the world, people are becoming more confused, and in most cases people walk the other way.
You believed Jesus tithed-the truth is He didn't tithe. With all the wrong teachings around the world, people run the other way.
The KJV would be the most closes to the 1611 version written bible ever made.
If I had a JW at my door and a Mormon of the latter day saints at my door at the same time, what information do you believe I would receive about Jesus? None.. You don't preach it, so why should he