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Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 9:40pm On Aug 11, 2011
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 9:25pm On Aug 11, 2011
[quote author=My-Key link=topic=729601.msg8904352#msg8904352 date=1313093419]What a laugh!! grin grin grin

So, your hero is a barking mad nutcase who believes that the world is controlled by shape-shifting lizards? hehehehehehehehehehe
Get a grip, "Rude Boi" grin grin

Did the evil illuminati cause this London "yout" to loot common rice?[/quote]my friend go and sit down, david icke is far from barking mad - everything he predicted is happening now, why is it that you i.diots love ridiculing intelligent people, David Icke is a very intelligent individual who was discredited and rubbished by the western media - as usual you have bought into the lies and misinformation.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 8:20pm On Aug 11, 2011
martinosi:
cap28, something is fishy about how this Riot spread and it
was like the Police with their actions were "Facilitating it"
But it was like a co-rodinated dynamite explosion, like a drill
tat went live, it was too co-oridnated and i cannot rule out that
is was planned based om my Military Intelligence Background
having been in service for 6 years.


10 policemen in Riot Gear can control a crowd of 200 people.
Becuase a Mob does not act as one and when threatened retreat into chaos
and individualism. Only the "Trained and prepared demonstrators that have planned to have a stand off with riot police will maintain rank".
Check the Greek riots, the Top-up fee/Public cut riots of earlier this year.
Over 500,000 people against 500 riots police, HABA!!! They tried to Break things and the riot police swooped on them and started to arrest people
and the ran!!!

Look at the L.A Riots, over 2000 people were looting a Big Store in Crenshaw/Compton L.A AND 5 Police arrived in Sqaud cars,no riot gear and told the people to leave and they all started to run away!

POLICE NEVER STOP AND WATCH PEOPLE LOOT, IT DOES NOT HAPPEN UNLESS THEY ARE
TOLD FROM ABOVE THE CHAIN OF COMMAND TO ALLOW IT.

Look at Katrina 2005 or 06, Look at L.A Riots 92", check this out

What was so funny about these so called Riots is that you could see
30 Riot Police and hardly Any "Paddy-wagons", just squad cars ie
in Peckham.

In Hackney their was about 20-30 Riot Police and a couple of Police Vans
and squad cars and Amoured Vehicles AND A OVER 10 MEDIA CAMERA MEN
FILMING about 30 people THROW THINGS AT POLICE (they should not be hard to arrest and identify abi?) (SUSPECT!!)!!![/b] but they did not even charge at the rioters, they just cornered them of and allow them to throw objects at the police vans etc. Later they charged at the rioters and they all ran lol!!
(Evidence on Youtube) -

In Croydon is was like they stood at the end of London Road and
contained the Rioters/Looters from Spreading but did nothing.

THE BIG FURNITURE BUILDING THAT WAS BURNT WAS ARSON PERIOD!!! WHAT ATTRACTION DOES A BIG BUILDING CONTAINING FURNITURE HAVE TO YOUNG PEOPLE OR ANY BODY REALLYhuh IF YOU HAD THE CHOICE TO TAKE SOMETHING FREELY
Choice between

A - Sportswear, Jewellery, Money or

B - Furniture

YOU GUESS IS A GOOD AS MINE, THIS WAS A SET-UP,

And when they kept on refering to the croydon riots they kept on showing that Burning Furniture building when a young man was killed due to the rioting in croydon at the same time USELESS PEOPLE!!!


In Woolwich, their was about 7 Riot Police and about 15 police officers
in "Hi-vi's" standing at the back about 30 yards back up against 150-200 looters, No Squad Cars or Police Vans.
And a white Guy that constantly was shouting at the Police and urging the
people to charge at them lol!!!

But here's where i get a Bit Suspicous of the events with the following places:

LEWISHAM -

Their is a Huge Police Station in front of the Lewisham Shopping Mall
and when troubled started their on Monday 8th Aug 2011 around 4pm, it had
a perculiar pattern.

People mainly youths started smashing things and getting rowdy for about 30 minutes (According to eye-witnessess that i know) and Bam!!! the police with no riot gear cam out of thier station with Vans & Paddy-Waggons with the intent of Arresting people and All the youth Ran away!!!

CLAPHAM -

Youth were smashing things and looting for over 2-3 hours then the Police (15 of them) Came with Vans and "Paddy Waggons" and about 5 riots gears cops and started to subdue a one or two rioters and throw them into the "Paddy-waggon" and the Rioters who were acting tough like "Bad Men, RUde boys" and girls all ran away and as the Police was throwing youth into the paddy waggon, crowds were gathering and Cheering the police on to arrest more people (Evidence on youtube)

Ealing Broadway -

People were looting and running crazy, and then the police stood again
at the end of the road of the town centre doing nothing
But when the Paddy Waggon came out and they started to charge the rioters
and arrest them, they run away (Evidence on Youtube)

Tottenham -
People who were at the Protest before the riots and before the
torching of the the police car have started to load their videos
on Youtube and the truth of how this thing started is FRIKING AMAZING!!!
The police came out of the Back of the Station in 3 VANS and were in Full Riot
Gear!!! WHAT A BUNCH OF DEVIOUS SET OF MET POLICE! This was not the first time
Demostrations in front of Police stations have happend in London (I have been to one before). But if the Police come out in normal uniform and form a line
and ask people to move back and talk, people will just shout and make some noise, listem to what they have to say and dispersed.

BUT IT WAS NOT THE CASE - They came out in Riot Gear and this is Provocative
to say the least, and made a "stand off" and they pushed down a 15 year old girl that got too close all by herself to their line of defense!!! People started to shout and throw things and THE REST IS NOW HISTORY.

PEOPLE SHOULD CHECK OUT THE VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE OF WHAT HAPPENED ON SATURDAY
THE 6TH August.

ANOTHER THING I NOTICED FROM WATCHING THE SOURCE OF THE RIOT VIDEOS IN TOTTENHAM -

1 - The orignal crowd was made up of Black and white (ie African-Caribbeans, Whites, Turkish, alot of Othordox Jews, Alot of JEWS!!! hmmm (Check Youtube)

2 - The unoccupied Police car that was Parked near the demostrators in Tottenham was "Suspect", why was it left there? The same thing was done in
Woolwich, Ealing, Clapham and Enfied (I smell a rat - check youtube!!!)


3 - The Police stood and watched people getting angry and did not say anything or use a loud speaker to communicate to them @ Tottehnahm, but stood with an intent to cause bodily harm (Riot ready with Gear)! Total Bullsh**t[/b}

[b]4 - In Eltham where the mostly white crowd gathered to cause trouble (break things & Loot), the Police came out with two Vans and told the people
to quietly disperse on a Loud Speaker! (spoke to them like human beings)
No Riot Police in Gear. (Youtube evidence)


CONCLUSION - IF THE POLICE COME OUT WITH VANS, PADDY WAGGONS AND RIOTS GEAR
AND START GRABBING PEOPLE AND THROWING PEOPLE INTO THE VANS PEOPLE WILL RUN AWAY - PERIOD!!!

THE REASON FOR THE RIOT - THE SHOOTING OF A BLACK MAN HAS BEEN SWIPED
UNDER THE RUG IN THE MEDIA AND NOW THEY ARE TALKING OF TOUGHER POLICE ACTION.
PEOPLE ESPECIALLY FEEL SCARED AND WHEN THEY SEE A POLICE PRESENSE THEY FEEL SAFE NOW LOL!!! ETC ETC, I SMELL A RAT! Its looking more like a Drill that went Live! and was Quickly switched/ALLOWED TO SIMMER, ANYONE THAT TRIES TO
LOOT AND CAUSE TROUBLE AFTER TUESDAY MORNING 10TH AUGUUST IS OWN HIS OWN
AND WILL SMELL PEPPER!!!


THE BIG LIE - THEY SAID THAT 6000 POLICE WAS ON THE STREETS OF LONDON FROM SATURDAY 6TH TO TUESDAY 9TH AUG - WHAT A BIG LIE!!!

10 BOROUGHS IN LONDON WAS AFFECTED BY RIOTING AND IT WAS ALWAYS IN THE TOWN CENTRES - THIS WAS PREDICATABLE!!! 6000 SPREAD ACCROSS 10 HOT SPOTS IS 600 POLICE IN 10 AREA'S OF A SPACE OF 2 FOOTBALL FIELDS ! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
IF even 300 police has been at each trouble spot 150 in riot gear and
150 in stab-vest, mase and baton people would have RUN AWAY!!!


[/b]THIS IS 2011 NOT 1985 when all the police had were weak sheids and batons.TODAY 10 POLICE MEN IN RIOT GEAR WITH 2 ARMORED VEHICLES CHARGING AT 1000 PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT "READY TO DIE OR FIGHT FOR A REAL/IDEOLOGICAL CAUSE (IE THE PALESTINIAN WHO THROW ROCKS AT I-D-F ARMOURED TANKS AND GET KILLED
IN THE PROCESS AND COME BACK TO THROW SOME MORE ROCKS THE NEXT DAY FOR
OVER 50 YEARS NOW) NOT FOR SOME ADDIDAS FOOTWEAR WILL RUNNNNN LIKE SCARED CHICKENS!!!!


crowd control at football matches that turn violent and people start fighting.
The Police force uses about 300 officers to control 30-40 thousand people!!!
With about 20 officers on Horses.

WITH ALL THESE FACTS I AM BEGINNING TO SMELL A BIG RAT!

A PRE-PLANNED DRILL WENT LIVE - ALWAYS REMEMBER THE RULING ELITE THAT RUN
THIS COUNTRY NEVER FORGIVE AND NEVER FORGET.

ON July 7 2005 Whent he bombings happened all mobile phone txt, sms and phone signals where jammed in the Affected area's including BLACKBEERY!!!

THese people have the Legistative authority to shut down Mobile
communications in a state of Emergency especially in Affected area's.

REMEMBER THIS HAS BEEN THE YEAR OF UP-RISING, DEMONSTARTIONS, RIOTS AND
PHONEY WARS ALL WITH HIDDEN AGAEND'S AND SUSPICIOUS MOTIVES, EVEN TO THE POINT OF EVENTS BEING HI-JACKED FOR OTHER PEOPLES AGENDA'S AS I TYPE DEMONSTRATIONS ARE TAKING PLACE IN EGYPT, LET US KEEP AN OPEN EYE AND SOBER MIND [/B]

[b]THE REAL HIDDEN MOTIVED BEHIND THIS RIOTS WILL BE REVEALED SHORTLY VIA
EMERGENCY LEGISLATION THAT SHALL BE PUSHED THROUGH PARLIAMENT IN THE NEXT
FEW WEEKS, WATCH AND SEE,
Oh boy na wah oh!  can you beleive that this exact thing was going on in my mind but i kept dismissing it because i just couldnt bring myself to beleive that the british establishment would allow london to be smashed up and damaged to this extent in order to acheive their long term objective, but the more i look at how strangely ineffectual the police have been the more inclined i am to beleive what you are saying, i have seen how quickly the police in this country respond whenever public order offences are being committed but in this instance its as if they had been completely neutralised - was someone higher up ordering them to stand down?  this is a very intriguing situation - so much of what you have said raises suspicions in the minds of people who understand what the elite are trying to do - remember the end game for the anglo american imperialists is to usher in a totalitarian regime - what better way to do it than to take advantage of a riot - if you are tryign to usher in a draconian police state - now would be the ideal time to do that.
here is what i think may be happening - the black guy was killed and young people in tottenham reacted of their own accord - the police under orders from higher up were told to stand down and possibly some agent provocateurs (govt informants) may have orchestrated the looting and violence - someone higher up realised then encouraged the violence to spread thereby presenting them with a perfect excuse to usher in the totalitarian state that they have been dreaming of for years.  as you rightly observed they have diverted the debate away from the original cause of the riots the black guy who was shot by police and now the focus is on the looters and they are scapegoating black people as the main culprits when it has been borne out by evidence that the rioters were from a range of racial backgrounds.

I dont know if you've heard of David Icke but he is a british social commentator who predicted a lot of what is going on now, - he said that the end game for the anglo american empire is to create a one world govt  - a totalitarian nightmare not unlike Russia under Stalin where human beings will be completely stripped of all of their civil and human rights, he said that the problem for the ruling elite will be how to impose this draconian system of govt on their people, he said that the only way they will get away with doing it is if they create a problem (economic meltdown , scrapping of social safety nets, wage freezes, mass unemployment) the people will then react to the problem (riots, anarchy, chaos) then the govt will find a solution to the problem (declaration of martial law, scrapping of all civil liberties and ushering in of draconian police state) when David Icke stated this about 15 years ago many people thought he was mentally deranged but having read your extremely insightful analysis and having remembered Icke's prediction the chilling truth of what these satanic demons are planning for humanity is beginning to gradually unfold.

i saw one of David Icke's articles on the internet recently, where he commented on these riots im going to look for it and post it.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 12:10am On Aug 11, 2011
[quote author=My-Key link=topic=729601.msg8896949#msg8896949 date=1313009836]What a hate filled post.

You have now resorted to insults and hate.[/quote]and what have you been doing since you've been on this topic mr man?

Well, I consider it my duty to tell the truth. If I don't do that, it's the equivalent of a nurse comfortably chatting over a nice cup of tea while an empty saline drip feeds poison into a patient's artery. The moment that we think it's more important to protect some comfortable ideological dogma is the moment when  truth, begins to die.
You are not telling the truth, you are merely parrotting the racist views of the western media, you have been programmed and conditioned to see things from their perspective and disregard anything which involves critical analysis and honest reflection about your own people. 

So, you consider the Archbishop of York to be an "Uncle Tom". What about President Obama? Please read my link above.  How about the first black  US Attorney General, Eric Holder?
I consider sentamu to be an uncle tom  - have  you ever heard him criticising the west for their barbaric invasion of libya and other numerous atrocities that they have committed around the world? he hasnt because he is a coward.

Obama is a wall street puppet, he has no control over american govt policy and is being directed by the big investment banks like Goldman Sachs, JP morgan and the federal reserve - go and find out who were the largest donors towards his presidential campaign - then the scales will fall from your eyes - you, along with many black americans were taken for a very long ride.

not only is Obama an uncle tom, he has zero interest or concern for black people and black issues - he deceived all of you foolish blacks in america in order to get into office, now that he's there are your lives getting better or worse?

I hope you know he has been selling poor and working class americans down the river ever since he got in to office - he agreed to cut  social security, medicare and medicaid and extend tax breaks for the rich - all of this was done to appease those nasty right wing lunatics aka the tea party - but theres worse to come so tighten your seat belt.

Bill Cosby, Eric Holder - these people have done nothing absolutely nothing to help the average black person in america - why? because they were allowed to get to those positions on the condition that they screw over their own people.

do you see any of them criticising whites? even poor trailer trash whites? no, of course not they only attack and criticise poor blacks who are victims of a system which has been set up to keep them permanently as members of an underclass.

the whites are the ones who control and give out the jobs - if a white man doesnt want to give you a black man a job there is nothing you can do about it no matter how many phds you claim to have.

when he does give you a job you must dance to his tune, dancing to his tune means covering up the truth about how he has exploited your people while spreading untruths about how blacks are lazy and uneducated just like that fool cosby is doing.  the day cosby criticise whites in the same derogatory and patronising way he criticises blacks will be the day that he will wave goodbye to his wealth and status in america.
These cowards always focus on easy targets.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 11:39pm On Aug 10, 2011
all4naija:
^^^^
You are a disgrace to blacks. This only proves how stupidity can not achieve anything good. Martin Luther King Junior knew that and he didn't resort to what the usual minds thought but knew that peaceful approach make a better alternative - it impacted the African American community.
I hope you never went to school cos if you did you've been wasting your time.
what is s.tupid about standing up to fight against a corrupt system? i know in nigeria its the norm to suffer and smile no matter what the govt dishes out but in the west people are more enlightened and will not tolerate being abused by a corrupt system.  What do you know about martin luther king?  are you aware that he engaged in civil disobedience and went to jail on numerious occassions?  do you know the number of death threats he received from whites?  are you aware that he was assassinated by the US govt?

Go and educate yourself first and fight for your rights in your county of origin. The one that is happening back home has not be curtailed then you are destroying the one you are barely attached to for your survival. If I knew you I would beat your a.s.s black and blue.
hahaha - fight for my rights in my country of origin - isnt that a joke, do nigerians fight for their rights or do they just bend over and continue to take it up the ar.se from the nigerian govt?

nigerians are cowards and will never fight for anything thats why all of you over there will continue to eat shi.t  from those criminals that are running that country.

shut your mouth because you know nothing about my status here in the UK, instead of making empty threats you shoudl redirect your frustration towards those criminals who run your banana republic, you know - the ones who have condemned you to a life of poverty   


At the end of it all you are the looser. We shall see how this going to play out. It only makes things worse if this anger didn't find a lasting solution as you guys are claiming it to be.

Look at this slowpoke to a black community!

Defenseless Libyans, you said? I hate clear-cut conclusions. The rebels in Libyans and average Libyans want a change of govt. and the leader staying in power for life and his posterity, is it a good thing to any nation?You should have asked yourself that question first. We know that the develop countries are not as innocent but we are not as well if we should take to violence. Violence achieve nothing good. That I know about now that am over 20 years of my life.

Please, fight the fight that will dignify your future not the one that adds criminality to it.
Look at this fool talking about losers, you are condemned to a life of crippling poverty in nigeria by those criminals who run that country and you still have the nerve to call people in the UK who are fighting for justice losers, fool wake up and smell the coffee, no -one in this country would tolerate one quarter what you fools in nigeria put up with - all you docile id.iots do is go to church and pray things will change while people here take action themselves because they know that heaven and hell are here on this earth not in the after life - whjich is what you brainwashed fools in nigeria beleive.  You are so docile and weak that when you see others fighting for justice you take sides with the enemy, keep bleating like a sheep without a shepherd you sorry a.s.s mugu.

By the way your comments about Libya are a pile of meaningless junk - i cant even be bothered to comment on them because your views are embarrassingly ignorant, im out punk - have a nice day.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 8:40pm On Aug 10, 2011
Coogar and tunny tox thanks for being the voices of intelligence and reason, as for you My Key - god will punish you, i have already told you to stop chatting shi.t on this forum but you have persisted, unlike coogar i couldnt give two shi.ts if that fuckwit uncle tom sentamu is a a supposed man of god - the man is a paid up porch negro who is a disgrace to the black race and and should remove that dog's collar that he is wearing calling himself a man of god, what type of man of god is he that refuses to speak the truth? Jesus was very unpopular for the simple reason that he always spoke up in defence of the weak and voiceless, remember how he defended mary magdalene the prostitute? he didnt care about the repercussions, he defended a woman who had been ostracised by society he didnt care what people thought - he stood up for justice - contrast that with this stu.pid fake man of god who totally ignores the atrocities committed by his white masters and instead blames the victims. I was so pissed off reading that pile of sh.it that you posted up there that i could hardly contain my anger. Sentamu shoudl go back and ask his masters about how they set in motion the most evil and heinous of crimes ever perpertratred by man against his fellow man - slavery, why doesnt this paid up fool call to account the white supremacists who continue to benefit from this system? why isnt this id.iot talking about the £700 billion that was handed over to those ba.stards in the city of london those bastards who were using the stock exchange like a casino? this fuc,king coward picks on easy targets and has the temerity to talk about blacks refusign to go to school, has this man not heard of how black men are disproporionately excluded from the educational system in this country? hasnt he heard about the disproportionate deaths of black men in police custody in this country, has this id.iot not heard about the institutionalised racism that is practised by this country which condemns the majority of black people in this country to a life of hopeless despair?
These riots are the only way the voiceless and the invisible get to be heard, the british govt is run by a bunch of fascist racist old etonians who dont give a fu,ck about anyone who isnt from the same social class as them, you only have to look at how disinterested boris johnson and david cameron were when these riots kicked off, they didnt even want to cut short their holidays because they felt that what was happening was so unimportant, that will show you just how much regard these over privileged public school boys have for the average british person.

the majority of people who remain on benefits in this country are white not black, go to their enclaves and you will see them, these people have no interest in working and they are supported by their govts, blacks who do want to work are demonised, victimised and discriminated against when they attempt to go out and better themselves, thats why many young black men get so disillusioned with the system and turn to crime, i really hate how these paid up uncle toms are so quick to attack people who cant defend themselves. have you heard this fool saying anything about the war in libya? have you heard him condemning his masters for dropping bombs on defenceless libyans? no of course not, because this fool knows that he will be run out of this country the minuite he attempts to bite the fingers that are feeding him - stup.id shameless fool!!!
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 9:54pm On Aug 09, 2011
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 8:35pm On Aug 09, 2011
[quote author=My-Key link=topic=729601.msg8889156#msg8889156 date=1312909717]Please attack the facts instead of personal attacks directed towards me to prove your argument.

I am angry.  Angry because, as a black man, no one in this world will ever take me seriously ever again after this. We have given the racists all the ammo they ever need.

Angry because I've worked hard all my life, no chip on my shoulder, no sense of entitlement. Yet, people will just see a yob when they look at me. DISGRACE

Even in Africa I haven't seen people looting i-pads, shoes, play stations. Even in Somalia, undergoing a devastating famine right now,  I haven’t seen any looting.

How can you defend this mindless thuggery and pillage?  

Look at the pics, man!! The owners of those small businesses are ethnic minorities, struggling like everybody else. Do they deserve their livelihoods to be flushed down the drain? Do they? What about the 75 year old man whose business was burnt down-a business that has been in his family since 1873!! Family homes burned down. What do you have to say to them? What?

Go here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024120/London-riots-2011-suspects-Photos-released-know-looters.html , look at the pictures. Then tell me if I am wrong.[/quote]why dont you shu.t your fu,cking cake hole instead of talking sh.it all over this forum, this riot is not about race its about poverty, deprivation and marginalisation by a corrupt white elite class who have disenfranchised everyone but themselves and their rich cronies.  The real criminals are those fuc.kg banksters who caused the economic collapse which began in 2008, these monsters set the wheels of economic decline back in 2008, instead of these bas.tards to have been thrown in jail they were rewarded and we were told that they were too big to fail, these fucking thiefs appropriated over £700 billion of tax payers money and WE the tax payers were left with the massive bill. This useless british govt then went on to recover the rest of this money from the poor by cutting social programmes, welfare benefits, educational grants and even allowances reserved for the disabled.  

Your dense brain has failed to see past the racist rhetoric being peddled by the daily hate aka daily mail and other right wing rags, sh.ut your dirty cakehole for once and learn to listen, those of us who live here in london who  know the truth.  

Many blacks face overwhelming unemployment, blacks are usually the last hired and the first fired so get that through your thick skull, its got zilch to do with blacks being lazy, stop swallowing the lies of the racist media who have only one agenda - to destroy the image of blacks all over the world.

These kids have been pushed to the wall, many of them are filled with despair and have given up on any chance of ever getting a job thats why many of them are out there looting.  

Until the elitist racist bastards who aided and abetted their bankster friends over in the city of london and wall street, new york,  decide to arrest and jail those bastards who loooted billions in tax payers money they will continue to see riots like this, god knows what america will be like when the riots kick off over there - so like i said, get lost unless you have something constructive to say.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 1:04am On Aug 09, 2011
(Reuters) - Riots spread to new areas of London on Monday while looting also erupted in the city of Birmingham as Britain's worst unrest in decades escalated in a third night of violence.

Prime Minister David Cameron cut short his holiday to fly home to tackle the violence, which politicians and police have blamed on criminal thugs and which come amid deep economic gloom in Britain.

In Hackney, a multi-ethnic area in east London close to the site of next year's Olympic Games, hooded youths set fire to rubbish bins and pushed them down a street towards police, while hurling bottles and bricks.

Many laughed as they ran back when police charged them. Others shouted into their cellphones telling their friends to join in.

The disturbances started late on Saturday in London's northern Tottenham district when a peaceful protest over the police's shooting of a suspect turned violent.

On Monday, the violence had spread to the south of the city, including the areas of Peckham, Croydon and Lewisham.

Attackers also smashed shops and looted property in the central England city of Birmingham, police said, in the first sign of the riots spreading beyond the capital.

In Hackney, with the street thick with smoke, looters smashed their way into a local shop, stealing whisky and beer. One had even grabbed a packet of cornflakes. Another man ran away laughing while carrying four bottles of whisky.

"I am from South Africa and it reminds me of the riots there, except the police here are not so rough," said one middle-aged local resident, who declined to give his name.

"But the kids don't have any respect for the police or for property. It's sad for the people who live round here."

In Peckam, flames leapt into the air from a torched building, while rubble was strewn across the street. People walked in and out of shops looting.

Cameron's office said he would cut short his holiday in Italy to chair an emergency crisis meeting, amid growing calls from the public for officials to take control of the crisis.

Police had arrested 215 people, according to Home Secretary Theresa May.

"The violence we've seen, the looting we've seen, the thuggery we've seen, this is sheer criminality ,  these people will be brought to justice, they will be made to face the consequences of their actions," she said.

"SENSELESS"

But despite a heavy police presence, they appeared unable to contain the violence as looters coordinated through mobile phones and Twitter to try to keep one step ahead of them.

In Hackney, youths in brown hoods posed for pictures in front of a burning car on a street corner. Others swarmed around a skip full of bricks and gathered them up.

"I don't know why they are doing this," said a middle-aged woman who lived nearby. "It's senseless ,  they are just cacking on their own doorstep."

The BBC said the Hackney clashes broke out after police stopped and searched a man.

Government officials branded rioters as opportunistic criminals and said the violence would not affect preparations for next summer's Olympic Games.

Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Kavanagh said the force was putting more officers on the streets in Hackney and other areas on Monday night.

"Let me make it clear that people who are using current events as an excuse or cover to break the law, steal, attack police officers and cause fear to Londoners will not be tolerated by the vast majority of Londoners and us," he said.

BARRICADES

A small group of people said they had barricaded themselves inside the 110-year-old Hackney Empire theatre to escape the violence.

"We are stuck inside," said one person, who did not give her name, in a telephone conversation with Reuters.

"We don't want to be near the windows. They seem to be targeting shops at the moment. It's very scary."

"We are in the back of the building, staying away from the front. We have barricaded the doors and put chains on the doors."

Youths appeared to have used a free message service on Blackberry mobile phones to coordinate attacks on shops and police.

Research In Motion, the Canadian manufacturer of Blackberry smartphones, said it would work with British authorities, but gave no details on what information, if any, it would give the police.

"We feel for those impacted by this weekend's riots in London. We have engaged with the authorities to assist in any way we can," RIM spokesman Patrick Spence said in a statement.

Some have branded the disturbances as a cry for help from impoverished areas reeling from the government's harsh austerity cuts to tackle a big budget deficit, with youth services and other facilities cut back sharply.

"Tottenham is a deprived area. Unemployment is very, very high ,  they are frustrated," said Uzodinma Wigwe, 49, who was made redundant from his job as a cleaner recently.

Officials said there was no excuse.

"It was needless, opportunistic theft and violence, nothing more, nothing less. It is completely unacceptable," said Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 12:52am On Aug 09, 2011
violence now spreading beyond london to other regional towns like Liverpool.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 12:51am On Aug 09, 2011
[quote author=My-Key link=topic=729601.msg8883626#msg8883626 date=1312846882]Nothing but "Gyal Dem" and "Man Dem", innit? angry sad sad

Every where i go, people will now look at me like i am an animal. Why, Black man, why?[/quote]they were doing that before these riots so dont worry about it mate. whites think all blacks are animals, its just that they dont have the balls to say it to our faces.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 12:16am On Aug 09, 2011
[quote author=My-Key link=topic=729601.msg8883518#msg8883518 date=1312844926]Thanks all you "brave yoof" for reinforcing stereotypes about black people. You really can't make this stuff up, you really can't,[/quote]its not only blacks that are involved - they're are a lot of white guys - people are now calling for the army to take over from the police.

riots have now spread to ealing - streets filled with youths, carrying baseball bats, bottles and bricks, heading for shopping centre - whole of ealing broadway in chaos, shops being looted en masse.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 12:03am On Aug 09, 2011
Morrisons in peckham - completely cleaned out by rioters

croydon - mass looting in currys, pc world and one shooting

woolwich - wetherspoons (a restaurant/pub) burnt to the ground

notting hill - restaurant attacked, youths attempting to mug diners
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 7:45pm On Aug 08, 2011
on my way back from work and the train i was on from victoria announced that trains are not stopping at Peckham until further notice - looks like Peckham is warming up  grin
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 11:04pm On Aug 07, 2011
buzugee:
capo de tutti capi. whaz hood ?
oh boy how u dey wink
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenam On Fire by cap28: 9:14pm On Aug 07, 2011
Tottenham - a bomb waiting to explode, this is what happens when you have a dangerous cocktail of deprivation, lack of opportunities and poor police/community relations. 

A lot of the young people involved in the rioting are out of work and the chances of them ever getting a job any time soon is very remote - the unemployment rate for black youths between the ages of 16-24 in the UK as at 2010 was an unbeleivable 50%!!! most of these people are filled with rage, and its easy for them to vent their anger in the way they did last night.

I can never remember a time that Tottenham was free of poverty, unemployment and crime - over the years the problems have deepened, most whites who could afford it left this area in droves in the early 70s when blacks started moving in.

The british govt has failed to provide jobs and opportunities for many of the black families who live in that borough, but they have beefed up their police presence in the area who have victimised and harassed many of the young black people. 

26 years ago in 1985 a similar riot broke out in a neighbouring area known as broadwater farm - blacks were angry because of the lack of jobs and opportunities just like the current generation they felt betrayed and let down by a system which has continued to deny blacks equal access to good jobs, housing and education.

for those people saying these rioters are just a bunch of lazy black kids  all i can say to you is you dont know what you are talking about, you should try going to some working class white towns like margate, gillingham and hastings where you have generations of whites who have never worked in their lives and who live in clean, spacious council houses with lovely gardens and  get all their bills paid for by the govt.  They can even afford to go away on holiday every year, these people are treated with respect and dignity by the police and are forever moaning about how the govt isnt doing this and that for them, some of these people have never worked in over 20 years!!! but theres no pressure on them because the govt picks up the tab.
Politics › Re: "Thank God We're Not Nigerians" New Hit Song From Ghanian Singers by cap28: 6:30pm On Aug 07, 2011
Gbawe:
I don't even know what to say to all what you wrote above but wow !! You go around the forum pretending to be smart yet you can write this:
If ever there was a delusional pontificating individual  full of hot air and unecessary self importance it is you Mr Gbawe, come down from your undeserving position of self importance and start living in the real world like the rest of us.

So Nigerians are "making a nuisance of themselves in Ghana" ? Egbami !!! See ignorance . Very obvious you are one of those who contend that Nigerians do no good at all and should be accorded no dignity whatsoever !!! Adolf hitler once argued same about jews and Black folks and we all know what the world, except demented folks, think of him!!!!
Yes, i see no reason why nigerians who claim to be the giants of africa have to run to ghana to make a living, why cant they make a livign in nigeria if the country is so great?  By the way Nigerians are the most intolerant set of human beings on the face of this planet so you would do well to do away with your crass hypocrisy, if nigerians loved each other so much, why were northerners massacring igbos in the north, why were igbos betrayed by the yorubas?  Adolf Hitler though a crackpot was defending the national and cultural integrity of his nation hence is decision to rid his country of the jews who he saw as the enemy, nigeria has no nationalistic movement because it is not a united nation -  the people within it fight and kill each other in order to gain power and control over the other tribes.

Most of what you wrote above just show you are autocratic and not really bright at all. We should all aspire for our Nations, and indeed the world, to be a place where decent folks can carry on their business without discrimination. No one genuinely bright, exposed and reasonable can begin to justify patently wrong behaviour in the wild manner you are doing here and with total conjecture. You prefer to claim someone "ran away" to Ghana when this chap was actually working in Ghana with his Nigerian Company. A predisposition to thinking the worst of your own people, combined with your intolerant talk shows a very ugly and ignorant disdain for the right of human being to be accorded dignity.
I suggest you try reading the garbage you dribble all over this forum before you accuse others of not being bright.  You are  in no position to assume the moral high ground when it comes to discrimination and bad treatment,  because Nigerians are highly intolerant of other black africans.  Funnily enough this intolerance evaporates into thin air the minute you see oyibo people, which is evident from the way whites abuse, exploit and generally take the piss out of nigerians IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. do you think black south africans would tolerate the kind of abuse from whites that nigerians put up with on a daily basis?  Have you forgotten how german expatriates practice segregation openly against nigerians RIGHT THERE IN NIGERIA??Funny how you never seem to want to raise your voice to challenge those kind of situations but instead reserve your pathetic anger for harmless ghanaians.
Are you not ashamed of the way nigerians kow tow to white expatriates IN NIGERIA but treat each other like garbage?
The only time people like you grow a pair of balls is when you are around other africans - cowards!

What you write below gives a vital clue to what your real problem is and your patently unreasonable hatred of Nigerians to the extent you prefer to rant against them intolerantly even when they are victims.
Save your self pity for someone who gives a shi.t - if nigerians were more humble towards other africans they would not be victims of the so called bad treatment that you refer to.

You are not even able to give credit where it is due. You claim ungraciously that Nigerian musician have "zero talent" , in trying to malign Nigeria, yet you do not realize that in saying that you are also knocking the entire continent because , right now, Nigerian music is virtually the most popular and most acclaimed in Africa. The awards confirm it too with Nigeria consistently winning 90% of awards at the African MTV award.
No, im just knocking the unoriginal, copy cat nigerian musicians who think that they are doing something ground breaking by mimicking (very badly) african american artists, there are other african artistes that are original and stick to their own brand of music ie the congolese and south africans  and i have a lot of respect and admiration for them but if you think im going to give undeserved praise to those wanna be phony nigerian rappers you've got another think coming.

Rather than knock the Sports Commentator who went far beyond his remit and shamed his profession you praise him because "the truth is bitter". Is Ghana never guilty of age cheating ? Or are you in support of hypocrisy, double standards and always pointing a finger at others when we too are not without guilt? The central issue of gross Professional misconduct is totally lost on you as long it is Nigerians being maligned . You foolishly , in your haste to justify all wrongdoing against Nigerians, fail to understand that unfounded accusation should be something for the beer parlor and not live TV to be seen throughout the World!!!! If Obama said all Nigerians are killers you will probably defend him without understanding that such talk should not come from a President saddled with the duty of promoting peace and harmony !!!!

And look at the disgraceful nonsense from you below:

You are just arguing your way backward simply because you are committed to maligning Nigeria unfairly - and I know why.  Why mention Nkrumah and Rawlings for Ghana and IBB and OBJ for Nigeria as if both Countries don't produce good and bad ? You are beyond redemption. Sorry .
bla bla bla whine whine whine, your words are like white noise in my ears, high pitched, irritating and inconsequential, ive said my mind, you can take it or leave it - the choice is yours.
Politics › Re: "Thank God We're Not Nigerians" New Hit Song From Ghanian Singers by cap28: 2:21pm On Aug 07, 2011
Gbawe:
Not really. I just think folks like you can never understand why Nigerians , with actual experience of certain things, get riled up about some issues. A Nigerian who has never left Isale Eko may wonder "kini big deal" if Racist Russians pen a song about "bush Niggers" but of course the Nigerian Student in Russia, perhaps a real victim of Racism, cannot afford to be so naive when he has tasted the hatred behind the so-called humor.
If nigerians had any sense of nationalistic pride they would make nigeria a country worth living in, they would make like the south africans AND THROW OFF THE YOKE OF WESTERN IMPERIALISM - thats what i call courage, not making a nuisance of yourself in other countries around the world while your own nation is a cess pit of violence, corruption, greed and tribalism, there is no point bragging about how great you are when you have nothing concrete to point to by way of collective acheivement in your own country.  Your nation is run by a bunch of criminals who oppress and murder their own people and you have the balls to expect people to respect you - give me a break!!

A Nigerian actually left Ghana in a hurry when , after Ghana defeated Nigeria in a football match, a lynchmob actually gathered outside his house shouting "come out useless Nigerian" . He realised that the "friendly rivalry" was not so friendly afterall.
Why did he run away to Ghana in the first place, why cant he be a man and stay and make his country a place worth running to, you are a guest in another man's country and you still have the animal boldness to be raising up shoulders - why? if you are so great why leave your own country to make a living in someone else's?

Anyway, you can say what you wan't . When a seasoned Nigerian diplomats can go on radio , in Ghana, to angrily defend ridiculous accusations against Nigerian student , motivated by a witch hunt mentality, then it is obvious Nigerians only "overreact" and "take themselves seriously" to people like you who do not have the slightest clue of what obtains on the ground in Ghana and are always predisposed to adjudge Nigerians to be in the wrong whatever the case.
That witchunt mentality as  you call it is present amongst not only ghanaians but other africans who correctly view nigerians as arrogant, i can understand a south african who has actually stood up to fight for what is rightfully his or even a zimbabwean but not a nigerian - why? because nigerians to date (possibly with the exception of the igbos) have not fought for jackshit and therefore are totally undeserving of respect from anyone, at least the ghanaians produced kwame nkrumah and jerry rawlings, who have we produced IBB, Obasanjo - people who sold us into the second phase of slavery courtesy of the IMF? bros please dont get me started.


Have you ever been to Ghana? Do you have any business interest there? I just laugh at your ignorance. You may have conventional intelligence but you lack the real experience that makes one an informed contributor. Ghana is one of the few place where ignorance is combined with total naivete to produce a totally offensive and reprehensible mix. It is in Ghana decency flies out of the window when Nigerians are the topic of discussion.
ARe you not ashamed of whining on about another man's country? why dont you use your own country as a yardstick, ghanaians have every right to feel the way they feel - it is their country - how did we treat them when they lived in nigeria?

I was shocked when , with my own eyes and ears , I saw a so-called professional  commentator savaging Nigerians before the entire world in a show of shame !!! After we lost the U17 world cup final to Switzerland , the Ghanaian commentator , who should actually remain neutral in comment, said that he was happy Switzerland won because " we all know the unspoken truth about the age of the Nigerians"  shocked shocked shocked shocked You tell me the level of hatred that can prompt such abject lack of professionalism before the entire World !!! You cannot prove the age of the Nigerians yet you are judge and jury in alluding that the Nigerians are age cheats !!!! Sadly, this is the norm , and not the exception in Ghana.  It is shameful how Ghanaians childishly throw decorum to the wind  on radio show, talks shows and all sort of public forum to begin savaging Nigerians senselessly. You will see adults, politicians and learned individuals peddling inanities such as the notion that "there was no crime in Ghana before Nigerians and Liberians arrived".
The truth is bitter, we like to pretend that we live exemplary lives, but the reality is we dont, yes, nigerian footballers lie about their age - just look at most of the so called premier league footballers who are in their 40s but still claiming to be in their 20s - you are in complete denial, the sad truth is that you are fooling no-one else but yourself.

Even Samini, one of their top musicians who happens to be very exposed, has had to defend Nigerians publicly. He was on a show and all the other Ghanaians , not wanting to give Nigerians credit as usual , where saying Nigerian music is crap and only popular in Ghana because the DJ's are partial to Nigerians. Samini had to tell them that they should "appreciate rather than hate" . He showed them that DJ's play what folks want to hear and that the popularity of Nigerian music is common across Africa . He gave example of how , whether it is Lome , Nairobi or Johannesburg, 4 out of every 6 dance floor hits will be from Nigerian artists !!! He even told them that some of them should go to Nigeria and "see for themselves" , rather than talk out of ignorance,  how far Nigerians have gone as per music production.
With the exception of Fela Anikulapo Kuti i cant really think of any nigerian musician who really made a mark on the world stage in the music arena in terms of originality and creativity, the current crop of nigerian musicians are wanna be african americans with zero talent.

It is actual experience that make some Nigerians talk passionately rather than your assertion that "we take ourselves seriously" . Of course you have nothing to lose because you don't know Ghana and have no interest there so you can come into a debate and, as usual, automatically berate Nigeria. Your argument is always the same i.e our country stinks, "we have achieved nothing of note" (according to you), population in abject poverty, yadi, yadi, yada so therefore we are always wrong regardless of the case being presented.
Our country stinks, that is a fact, there is no unity, there is no serious discourse about moving forward and there is no serious plan to get rid of the cancerous western puppets that are destroying nigeria - that in my book equals to failure.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenham In Flames As Riot Follows Protest by cap28: 1:23pm On Aug 07, 2011
donspony:
Abegi, let's call a spade a spade tongue
Most of the youths are blinded by material things influenced by the media
Some would rather sell drugs or fraud with a 'fork stacking shelves' mentality
most drop out before uni with no further future ambitions

Take a cue from the indians who push their kids through school and are largely middle class.
Only few of their teenagers are in gangs
Compare some of the second generation indian immigrants vs black
We need to stop this victim mentality

This riot is just a load of gangsters looting and burning because one of their hoody mates got wasted when he shot at cops.
You've got it totally wrong, poor blacks are ignored and even criminalised by a system which DELIBERATELY KEEPS THEM OUT OF MAINSTREAM SOCIETY - FACT.

It starts in the classroom where black children are more likely to be excluded from classes than any other group, black children are not encouraged or motivated by white teachers into doing anything constructive with their lives, many are even labelled as disruptive or in a lot of cases streamed into special educational needs schools, many black parents are trusting of the racist british education system and dont understand that they need to play a more involved part in the education of their children, once a child has been labelled as special educational needs they are stigmatised and can never get anywhere within the educational system in this country, this is why many nigerian parents send their kids back to nigeria when they are young in order to avoid this racist policy which destroys the ambition of many perfectly capable black children.

Asian people understand this and many save money and educate their children privately, the ones who go through the state funded system face similar problems especially the bangladeshi community, on the whole, asians are given more opportunity in the british employment market than black africans or carribean people.  Also to show you how racist the system is many black africans who still manage to overcome the obstacles of racism in the educational system and the employment market are still worse off than their white or asian counterparts with LESS educational qualfications.  Why are so many nigerian men with masters degress from british universities working as cleaners, bus drivers, cab drivers and street sweepers?  if education was truly the stepping stone to success surely these people would all have good jobs

A white person with NO educational qualifications usually earns MORE than a black african with several educational qualifications, i have seen this countless times, educational qualifications in the UK is not a determinant of success IF YOU ARE BLACK.  Many whites WITH NO QUALIFICATIONS ARE AT THE TOP OF THEIR CAREERS simply because they are white, the educated whites are usually at the top of their game by the time they are in their mid twenties, let alone the ones who actually attend elite institutions.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenham In Flames As Riot Follows Protest by cap28: 1:03pm On Aug 07, 2011
@nolongting
You know there are areas in england where they have a high proportion of white unemployed, places on the outskirts of london like margate, hastings, ramsgate are full of unemployed white people who get their giros and use the money for drugs and alchol but because those areas are predominantly white there is a lot more injection of govt funds into developing those areas, you see a lot of brand new council housing, parks, community centres, libraries, leisure centres with swimming pools and other leisure facilities and this is in places where the young population do not even want to work, contrast that to places like tottenham, hackney, stonebridge park those places are full  of young disenfranchised (mainly black youth between the ages of 18-25) who have totally given up on the system, many of them are drug dealers, prostit.utes, underage parents  and no one gives a bleed about them, its terrible and its not going to get any better.  We are going to see a  lot more of what happened in tottenham last night especially with the cuts on welfare benefits and rising unemployment.

As at last year black unemployment for young people between the ages of 16-24 stood at a staggering 50%:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8468308.stm

this is what all that rage last night was partly about.
Politics › Re: "Thank God We're Not Nigerians" New Hit Song From Ghanian Singers by cap28: 12:14pm On Aug 07, 2011
lol - really catchy tune - i actually found it really funny

we take ourselves way too seriously, for reasons that remain a mystery to me, nigeria has acheived nothing of note and is still regarded by the rest of the world as a banana republic with over 70% of its population living in abject poverty so i think we need to come down from our high horse.

some of the lyrics on this clip are true others are crap, but we hate hearing the truth thats why we will remain in a state of regression.

Also Nigerians are just as brainwashed as the Ghanaians who wrote the lyrics - for instance many nigerians worship western ideals and place the white man on a pedestal.

anyway in my opinion this song is just a bit of harmless fun  grin
Foreign Affairs › Re: Tottenham In Flames As Riot Follows Protest by cap28: 11:33am On Aug 07, 2011
Tottenham has been like a pressure cooker for years due to high unemployment, poverty, lack of opportunities.

This is to be expected when all of the above factors are present in a community,many of tottenham's residents feel disenfranchised and its been like this for years - their reaction to the death of a young man at the hands of the police was more to do with years of supressed anger and frustration, i cant see things improving becuase the british govt have never been interested in creating opportunities for ethnic minorities and the poor - both groups are over represented in tottenham.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Loses AAA Credit Rating From Standard & Poor by cap28: 4:07am On Aug 07, 2011
excellent analysis of Obama's current handling of america's economic crisis by dr michael hudson:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mprCwUlHGZM[/flash]
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Loses AAA Credit Rating From Standard & Poor by cap28: 3:01am On Aug 07, 2011
Jobless in the USA
Paul Craig Roberts
Thursday, Aug. 7, 2003

Throughout history, peoples have been overcome by trends and forces that they were unable to recognize. Could the United States be losing its economy to forces economists mistake for benevolent free trade?

Traditionally, free trade has required a country's workforce to compete indirectly against the workforces of other countries in the markets for traded goods and services. Fears in the post-WW II era that U.S. wages and living standards would be undermined by imports made with cheap foreign labor proved to be wrong. U.S. labor was better educated and worked with more and better capital and technology, which made American labor much more productive. Higher productivity protected U.S. wages and employment from cheap foreign labor.

The collapse of world socialism and the rise of globalism have made U.S. capital, technology and business know-how highly mobile. Today, it is as easy – and far less expensive – for a U.S. firm to produce abroad for U.S. markets. Instead of locating its capital and technology in Ohio, California or South Carolina, the company locates its facility in China, for example.

By locating in China, the firm substitutes a workforce that is paid less than a dollar an hour for U.S. labor that costs $26 an hour. By locating in China, the firm also avoids expensive regulations, torts, employment taxes and discrimination lawsuits.


The mobility of capital and technology means that American labor now faces direct competition in global labor markets. This is a new development.

A Chinese person working with U.S. capital and technology is just as productive as an American. The Chinese worker can be hired for much less, because living standards and the cost of living are far lower in China.

The huge labor surplus in countries such as China and India means that wages are not likely to rise very rapidly in those countries. U.S. firms that substitute Chinese and Indian labor for U.S. employees are building in lower labor costs for years to come.

Eventually, as China and India become fully employed first world economies, wages will be bid up and labor will be paid according to its productivity. By then the U.S. might be a third world country.


Existing mortgages, cost of living and accustomed living standards prevent U.S. wages from falling to levels that would be competitive with China's. Americans have to seek work in their next best alternative when they lose their well-paying manufacturing and high-tech knowledge and service jobs to foreigners. By definition, these are less productive jobs paying less.

When jobs move out, skills move with them. At the rate at which the United States is losing software and computer engineering jobs, for example, how much longer will U.S. engineering schools be offering this major?

When manufacturing jobs are lost, so are jobs in trucking, warehousing, banking and insurance. There is a chain effect that reduces the overall productivity of the United States as a location of economic activity.

The loss of high productivity jobs takes away the ladders of upward mobility and wipes out human capital. A displaced U.S. software engineer cannot move to China or India to seek employment in his profession.

Retraining is not an answer, because almost the entire range of knowledge jobs can be outsourced. The Internet permits U.S. employers to hire people in India, China and the Philippines as stock analysts, accountants, researchers, designers, engineers, radiologists – any occupation that doesn't require a hands-on, face-to-face, local presence.

Economists assume that the substitution of foreign labor for U.S. labor is the benevolent workings of free trade. But what is being traded when U.S. employers move jobs out of the country? Many of our imports are products made for American markets by U.S. firms.
The collapse of world socialism changed circumstances overnight. U.S. labor now faces direct competition in global labor markets. The excess supply of labor in these markets will drive down wages, salaries and employment in the United States. As the dollar is likely to lose value under pressure from our growing trade deficit, the decline in wages will not be compensated by a decline in prices, and U.S. living standards will fall.

It is irresponsible for economists to dismiss these concerns by citing empirical evidence from historical correlations. New developments are not reflected in historical data.

U.S. labor no longer has the advantage of education, training, technology and capital over its foreign competition. Existing wage levels, however, assume that Americans still have these advantages. The extraordinary wage differences between the United States and Asia mean that jobs will flow out of America into Asia. Tax cuts and low interest rates cannot compensate for the huge wage differences.

U.S. corporations have made a strategic decision to move jobs abroad. What corporations will employ the displaced U.S. employees?

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/8/6/132901.shtml
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Loses AAA Credit Rating From Standard & Poor by cap28: 1:20am On Aug 07, 2011
antitpiah:
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

You read too much junk news
Here is an excerpt from an article written by an american economist Dr Paul Craig Roberts who served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration, he was the co-founder of Reaganomics.
He is also a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service - so i think he knows a lot more about economics than you do:


These are discouraging times, but once in a blue moon a bit of hope appears. I am pleased to report on the bit of hope delivered in March of 2011 by Michael Spence, a Nobel prize-winning economist, assisted by Sandile Hlatshwayo, a researcher at New York University. The two economists have taken a careful empirical look at jobs offshoring and concluded that it has ruined the income and employment prospects for most Americans.

For a decade I have warned that U.S. corporations, pressed by Wall Street and large retailers such as Wal-Mart, to move offshore their production for U.S. consumer markets, were simultaneously moving offshore U.S. GDP, U.S. tax base, U.S. consumer income, and irreplaceable career opportunities for American citizens.

Among the serious consequences of offshoring are the dismantling of the ladders of upward mobility that made the United States an "opportunity society," an extraordinary worsening of the income distribution, and large trade and federal budget deficits that cannot be closed by normal means. These deficits now threaten the U.S. dollar's role as world reserve currency.


I was not alone in making these warnings. Dr. Herman Daly, a former World Bank economist and professor at the University of Maryland, Dr. Charles McMillion, a Washington, D.C., economic consultant, and Dr. Ralph Gomory, a distinguished mathematician and the world's best trade theorist, understand that it is strictly impossible for an economy to be moved offshore and for the country with the offshored economy to remain prosperous.

http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/11/0620/pcr.html
Foreign Affairs › Re: Is This The End For The Usa? by cap28: 10:52pm On Aug 06, 2011
Yes, the game is finally up for america, but they will not go down without a fight, thats why they have the biggest military machine in the world, they will go to war with china, i can see it coming.
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Loses AAA Credit Rating From Standard & Poor by cap28: 10:43pm On Aug 06, 2011
justwise:
Actually its good news for USA manufacturing industry, they will export more now that dollar will be less valued which means cheap good. Importing from China will be less if Yen is valued more than dollar. China shouldn't punch the air yet cos they have to upgrade the value of their currency now

China has deliberately de-valued Yen for a long time now. . making China products cheaper
which manufacturing industry?  hasnt the US out sourced the bulk of their manufacturing capacity to the Far East?
Foreign Affairs › Re: US Loses AAA Credit Rating From Standard & Poor by cap28: 10:38pm On Aug 06, 2011
about time too - america's $14 trillion dollar trade deficit is totally unsustainable - S & P are a discredited organisation and are not taken seriously by anyone who knows anything about economics - the fact that they are only now downgrading the US's triple A rating should tell you that they are in the pocket of washington.
Celebrities › Re: Woman Claims Mercy Johnson Is About To Marry Her Husband! by cap28: 8:42pm On Aug 06, 2011
ak47mann:
see that a.s.s. i will dump any woman if mercy drop this A.S.S. in my face tongue tongue tongue
grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Celebrities › Re: Woman Claims Mercy Johnson Is About To Marry Her Husband! by cap28: 8:34pm On Aug 06, 2011
coogar:
he got mercy johnson - if he can get mercy johnson(nigeria's own sharon stone) then you should know this man has something beyond what we see.
he has what most devious men use to trick women - good lines, sweet words and empty promises.

agreed. . . . .but mercy cannot tell us she did not know this man is married.
mercy knew that - the only thing debatable here was whether the man lied to mercy about the divorce or not.
but it begs the question - why would mercy stick to a man with baggage upon all her braggado in nigeria? shame i say!
i dont think she knew in the beginning, i think he was outed by the nigerian media but by that time she was already hooked on him, what she is doing is no different from what ini edo did with that igbo guy based in america, dont forget that guy had married  a nigerian woman in america and after securing his american citizenship he abandoned her and went to nigeria  to look for a homegrown broad (with cash)  grin -ini edo fell for the bait and refused to take any notice of the wife in america - how is mercy johnson's situation different from that one?

in this age of information technology. mercy should have done her own investigation.
where does the man reside? where did he school? who are his associates? how can a woman just fall cheaply from the words that come out of a nigerian man as old as this man without doing proper checks to verify his history. if mercy was my sister, i would chop both her ears off. mercy johnson is not a teenager for crying out loud.
thats a fair point (apart from the part about chopping off ears grin) but the blame should be placed equally on the shoulders of this man who feels no remorse about playing around with women's emotions - if he did this to american or european women i can assure you he would be six feet under the ground by now  grin grin

emotionally attached even after she's found out that there's another woman with kids? didn't she say the wedding will proceed as planned even after this woman went public with incriminating pictures of the man in question?
mercy must be genetically foolish.
well, lets hope those were the words of a confused woman, she needs to take time out, get away from the man and his family and clear her head so that she can make clear headed decisions.
Celebrities › Re: Woman Claims Mercy Johnson Is About To Marry Her Husband! by cap28: 7:44pm On Aug 06, 2011
coogar:
more like mercy is the one using him as a stepping stone.
who would mercy fool that she didn't know this guy has someone he got married to previously? let's even assume she was foolish enough not to do background checks on the man she's getting married to. now that she has known, what was her response?
her idiotic pr-peops said the wedding would go on as planned - that should tell you how hopeless and desperate some naija women can be in the issue of marriage.

lip-read: what da fucck!!!!
stepping stone to what?? what has he got?

this is a man who married a woman in italy in order to prevent being thrown out of the country, a man who even went as far as denying his own child - what kind of a catch is that?

I dont know mercy johnson nor the guy but i can guarantee you taht this man did not tell mercy he was married with kids when he met her, it sounds like he wormed his way into her heart hoping that when she eventually discovers the truth she will have no choice other than to go along with the marriage.

Mercy is now emotionally attached to him and is now finding it hard to detach herself from him which is what he wanted from the beginning.

If she has good family members they should advise her to keep away from this man at all costs because he is  about to ruin her life.
Celebrities › Re: Woman Claims Mercy Johnson Is About To Marry Her Husband! by cap28: 7:34pm On Aug 06, 2011
cold:
Sorry bro but you can't study a man.A woman can fake an o*rgasm but a man can fake an entire relationship
I dont agree, if a woman is intelligent and patient, she can find out a lot about a man.

For example if Mercy had been a discerning young woman - she would have insisted on visiting this guy in Italy, finding out where he works over there, investigating his financial situation and above all knowing his status over in Italy, if the guy had started getting angry whenever she raised any of those topics , a red flag would go up and she would immediately know he was hiding something.  An honest person does not shy away from opening up about themeselves, but a crook will always remain vague about important things like that.  

there would have been no point in her approaching his family members because i beleive they are all in on this scam, this must have been the way they succeeded in fooling the other lady in Italy.

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