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KingAlabi:
For the guy saying Bruno wasn't better than 8-9 players
Na colourless tv you dey watch?

Dont mind him, and those were the kind of lunatics that will come here to talk trash and most of us will be doing holier than thou and be collaborating the nonsense.

I have watched United over many years to know that whenever a United player begin to reach good heights trolls and haters emerge from no where to try make them look useless while hyping other teams players. They did same thing to Ronaldo saying he dissappears in big games and a show pony and a diver, same with RVN they said he doesn't assist and dont score from outside the box, They said Rooney did not reach Ronaldo's level so he is useless and he is indisciplined, same with Cantona, same with Roy Keane. They have started a mini agenda on Greenwood, now he is not scoring much, the agenda has stopped. Let Bruno join Madrid or Barca now he will turn to Zidane and Platini rolled into one. I cant be decieved

afrodoc2:
You are using tabloids to corroborate your analysis? LOL

You have dropped like 5 untrue statements today to support your anti-KDB agenda.

1) You said he was off color when he attempted almost 20 more passes than Bruno, created 7 more chances than him, and had a higher passing accuracy.

2) You first said Maguire dealt with his aimless key passes which by definition is untrue.

3) You said his passing was wayward when at 79.4% it was okay for an AM and better than Bruno's.

4) You suggested that Ruud and Rooney had won PFA by leading us to the title which is also not true.

Drop your anti-KDB propaganda. You don't need to pull him down in order to praise Bruno. I for one appreciate the two of them.

I decided to ignore id.iotic trolls who highlighted some of these your points. But since you have brought it on, i will have to address your points. Head on..

1. Doc i repeat and still maintain to you that KDB was completely off colour yesterday, if he like let him deliver 1 million passes. He loss possession several times in dangerous positions, he was lethargic, he misplaced passes on several occasions, and could not orchestrate any meaningful attempt, Henderson was only restricted long range efforts from Gundogan, Rodri and Zinchenko. KDB was very poor yesterday. Your passing stats is meaningless. Even your Whoscored commenters where stunned how he was able to get his rating. The image below is the evidence.

2. Maguire made 9 key cleaeances i only checked that now, i didnt require some statistics sites to know that from what i watched. I dont know what your Whoscored mean by "key passes" hitherto, and thats not a shameful thing. All I know was most of KDB’S passes and crosses where aimless and useless and was easily dealt with by our defence especially Maguire.

3. His key passes yesterday was wayward, he can decide to make shot passes to boost his percentage, thats not my problem. But his passes did not trouble the defence AT ALL.

4. Thats clearly an oversight and moreover RVN was the top scorer in 2002/2003 season, and PFA player the previous season. While its not correct its a clear indication that I dont rush to mindless lifting in Wikipedia to make my points. Same with Rooney.

You can adore both player thats fine. But my point is if folks here or wherever decide to take up an agenda against Bruno, by overhyping KDB, to make a player who keep breaking records within his short spell in EPL to look bad, then i am free to point out mine too. KDB is not as good and established as most of you make him to be. He has not achieved anything in football that is out of this world, that's the point I am making and that's absolutely the truth. For a player of his supposed quality and age, he is given too much byes for folding in key moments despite surrounding himself with stupendous quality both at Club and International level.

afrodoc2:
You can't be using stats to defend Bruno all season and then abandon those stats when they don't favor you.

He was off color yet he created more goal scoring chances than the entire Man Utd squad put together. He was poor with his passing yet he had a higher passing accuracy than Bruno.

I am not saying he was perfect but this is the first time i am hearing that an AM with 8 key passes and almost 80% passing accuracy was terrible in a game. Bruno had 78% passing accuracy with 1 key pass for comparison.

And you have still not explained how Maguire easily dealt with KDB's 8 key passes.

I have stated here time and time again that Bruno’s stats though important are not his main strengths. KDB that I saw yesterday is very poor and he had been for the most part of 2021. He can deliver 100 key passes i dont care.

Seasoned british tabloids pointed out he was poor, I saw it, many City and neutral fans saw it. KDB was poor yesterday.
His team was trailing yesterday, from the first minute, so its unsurprising, based on your definition of key passes, whenever a teammate fashion out an attempt from his pass, its a key pass, i am knowing that from today. However, I am telling you that a good number of those "key passes" were from Corner Kicks and freekicks and moreover he is City's attacking midfielder a team trailing and looking to score, he will most likely deliver such passes. That will not blind me from seeing that he was very poor yesterday as collaborated by Credible British tabloids

osamz007:
AFTER READING THROUGH FEW PAGES I NOW CAN SAY TREVOR IS INSANE

He is a Yabaleft patient

afrodoc2:
How can you saying the key passes were aimless crosses into the box that were dealt with by Maguire? Obviously you don't know what a key pass is.

Wetin concern Maguire or any other CB with key pass? A key pass is the final pass that leads to a shot on goal without the recipient scoring. Maguire could not have dealt with it if the recipients of the key passes all had attempts on our goal.

In terms of rating Whoscored which is more reliable than your tabloids gave him the 2nd highest rating for Man City after Rodri. KDB was not as bad as you are painting him. This is pure emotion from you.

Doc KDB was poor yesterday, everybody saw it. He loss possession needlessly in dangerous positions, couldn't string passes together, his passes were wayward and he was lacking extra yard of pace, he can win second balls, infact for the Luke Shaw goal he was found wanting, Shaw outwitted him in midfield to breeze into City's half. Where ever whoscored or whatever statistics site come up with their metric i dont know. Everyone who watch the game saw Clearly that KDB was off colour, i dont need whoscored to tell me that. Most of those his key passes where freekicks and coner kickss that a city player had a crack on like the ones I saw Gundogan and Stones had, let that not decieve you

JayromWrites:
I read where Grealish rated Bruno and KDB as the best Midfielders in the league and he wasn't even talking about goals and assists.. The comment was related to top first touch and passes


Yeah I will admit, I wish he could just calm down sometimes... There was an instance yesterday where he went pass two or three Man City players only to overhit his pass to Martial


But then, there is no perfect player

I am not saying Bruno is perfect, infact I dont have any issues with anybody saying that even Mason Mount is better than him. But my anger is Bruno’s mistakes are so amplified to high heavens, if you see the way people bombed Bruno you will think he murdered someone. Bruno is not particularly that extremely talented if you watch him closely, but his drive and professionalism is making him perform very well most times. Go and watch Zidane, Xavi, Scholes etc they misplace passes too and not all their passes come off

Almajirihunter:
Same person that won best midfielder of the 2019-2020 Champions league campaign.

Individual

[s][/s]Bundesliga Young Player of the Year: 2012–13[201]
Bundesliga Player of the Year: 2014–15[202]
Bundesliga Team of the Year: 2014–15[203]
UEFA Europa League Squad of the Season: 2014–15[204]
Footballer of the Year (Germany): 2015[41]
France Football World XI: 2015[205]
Belgian Sportsman of the Year: 2015[206]
Manchester City Player of the Season: 2015–16,[207] 2017–18,[208] 2019–20[209]
Manchester City Goal of the Season: 2019–20[210]
FIFA FIFPro World11: 2020[211][212]
FIFA FIFPro World11 2nd team: 2018[213]
FIFA FIFPro World11 3rd team: 2016[214]
FIFA FIFPro World11 nominee: 2019 (8th midfielder)[215]
IFFHS Men's World Team: 2017,[216] 2019,[217] 2020[218]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2017,[219] 2019,[220] 2020[221]
ESM Team of the Year: 2017–18,[222] 2019–20[223]
PFA Team of the Year: 2017–18 Premier League,[224] 2019–20 Premier League[225]
Premier League Playmaker of the Season: 2017–18 (16 assists), 2019–20 (20 assists)
UEFA Champions League Squad of the Season: 2017–18,[226] 2018–19,[227] 2019–20[228]
EA Sports FIFA Team of the Year: 2018,[229] 2019,[230] 2020[231]
FIFA World Cup Dream Team: 2018[232]
Premier League Goal of the Month: November 2019,[233] July 2020[234]
Premier League Player of the Season: 2019–20[235]
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2019–20[119]
UEFA Men's Player of the Year Award: 2019–20 (2nd place)[236]
UEFA Champions League Midfielder of the Season: 2019–20[237]
World Soccer's Men's World Player of the Year: 2020 (2nd place)[238]
Goal 50: 2019–20 (2nd place)[239]
IFFHS World's Best Playmaker: 2020[218]
IFFHS UEFA Team of the Decade: 2011–2020[s][/s]

Please bring your guys individual honors, I didn’t bring team trophies because you’d say KDB have always been in a billion quids team

Tell me his international accolades, tell me a single international tournament where he led a star studded Belgium to great hieghts.

Tell me a single EPL Season KDB led his team to the league title as the PFA player of the season, just like RVP, Rooney, Giggs, VVD, Cantona, Vidic, Henry, Van Nistelrooy, etc.

Tell me how KDB lost consecutive UCL quater finals to average teams like Monaco, Spurs, Lyon and 4th Placed Liverpool.

Give these details not some useless polling booth awards like Goal.com top 50 midfielders. I also noticed that you are not that versed in football if not you wont go and do mindless lifting from Wikipedia.

afrodoc2:
Bros KDB had EIGHT key passes in yesterday's game o. He couldn't have been that bad. All Man Utd players combined for 5 key passes.

All of us saw the way he was delivering wayward passes to no man's land, losing possession in dangerous areas.

His team is losing from the first minutes. He is the attcking midfielder, his team had the ball most of the match, what do you expect? Mind you half of those key passes were aimless crosses into the box that was easily dealt with by maguire. All credible football tabloids stated that KDB was poor and many City fans were even calling for him to be dropped to regain form. So I didn't just make the point on my own.

Almajirihunter:
I watch matches live on TV not post match reviews on sites. Asides rashford and Dan James can you tell me a United player that Bruno put in a shift more than on the pitch yesterday. I believe you’re joking with this question , well for someone who says KDB is a low budget Ashley Young not much is expected

You need to take that your TV to an engineer because I am suspecting you saw someone with a blond hair and thought it was KDB. In case you dont know Alexandre ZINCHENKO was one of the best players on the pitch yesterday, so you are mistaken him to KDB, go and repair your TV resolution I think thats your problem

Almajirihunter:
I watch matches live on TV not post match reviews on sites. Asides rashford and Dan James can you tell me a United player that Bruno put in a shift more than on the pitch yesterday. I believe you’re joking with this question , we’ll for someone who says KDB is a low budget Ashley Young not much is expected

Oga mention to me what KDB has achieved in his career at 29 years. Stop beating around the bush.

-Mention his international accolades, despite playing with world class players for all his career

- Mention one UCL key moment he has delivered despite being surrounded by an over 1 billion pound team mates and a world class manager.

Stop misqouting me, I said KDB was spamming crosses into the box yesterday like Low Budget Ashley Young, stop changing my statements.

JayromWrites:
Take away his goals and assists(which are the most important metrics of football)

Bruno's mentality and passion is the reason I can't hate the guy


He is someone that can bleed for the team.. we need top players with that mentality.


Even though he can be frustrating atimes with his passes, my love for Fernandes grew after that moment

Bruno’s passes are not as bad as they paint, its haters that keep amplifying it to make themselves feel better. Check his passing accuracy its not bad. Almost every player gives away passes sometimes. Even yesterday he delivered a lot of dangerous searching passes, his touches were crisp and work rate was superb, but one unsuccessful pass, Whap!!!!! """he gives away passes"""

I was watching Real Madrid versus Valladolid last week and Modric misplaced quite a few passes, the commentator mentioned that if you want to create chances to devastating effect you have to sacrifice some accuracy and risk some and many will be intercepted. The commentator went ahead to mention " Bruno Fernandes of Manchester United" thats to tell you how Bruno is reverred in the world football. If one low budget hater place cant understand this that's their own cup of tea.

Almajirihunter:
You’re trying so hard to paint that KDB isn’t a good player which to anyone is absurd.
Let me put it this way
Who’s the better player this season- Bruno
Who’s the better player generally- KDB.
Asides the goal Bruno scored overall yesterday KDB was better especially in the second half if you watched the game, Yes he scored a goal but tbh there were about 8-9 United players who played better

How is KDB better overall? You have not presented to me any argument to that effect. You are talking trash, every credible site, stated that Bruno was far better yesterday, but if in your biased view you think otherwise i cant help you.

KDB’S team were losing right from the first minute, what did he do? He set out losing possession in dangerous areas, cant deliver any reasonable pass good pass, breaksdown attack with wayward passes and keep pumping aimless crosses into the box like low budget Ashley Young.
You should have kukuma said Bruno is the worst player on the pitch why say man united 9 to 8 player?
If I ask you a simple pertinent question on what has KDB achieved in his career now at 29, you will run away.

Almajirihunter:
KDB collect your babe??

Tell me one single point i made there that is not true

patrickmuf:
Nobody will say it but bar the miss, I thought Martial played his role to perfection...

This is not me trying to big up Martial though but then, somebody has got to praise him when he does well...

As for those slandering De Bruyne, you guys should know Jesus 8s one of the most useless CF around...

Sterling? That guy must have Wan-Bissaka...

Yeah martial did well

patrickmuf:
Liverpool? Baba no be you suppose dey yarn this kind yarn...

The Liverpool that knocked out City scrapped top 4, they were at that time still not the winning machine they turned out to be.

KingAlabi:
Yeah

The guy stupid no be small

He must be a mo.ron

KingAlabi:
You dey argue with person wey think say messi na flop

Na you get time

Really Was he the person that brought that argument?

Melvyn11:
So what will make Salah better than Gundogan using your own example there or vice versa what will make Gundogan better?

You must be very slow in understanding. Salah is expected to outscore Gundogan which he (Sallah did), so its not surprising, tgat doesn't mean anything.

But KDB is expected to outscore Mctominay but failed. If you fail to get my point then i cant help you. I think i am done with you

Expert17:
Crossing merchant

Bruno with his bad passes, is the:
2nd highest goal scorer this season
2nd highest assist provider
1st big chances and chances created

Mehn....

His own is to send the ball inside the 18 yard box and in sha Allah

Melvyn11:
So when a player outscores another then that player is better? That's what you are saying right, So Salah has been the best player in the league this season?

That's a stupid analogy. Salah is a pure attacker so is expected to score plenty goals, that doesnt make him better than say Gundogan who plays further down the pitch. However, if Gundogan for example outscores Werner for example, thats a clear indication of how awful Werner is considering his position.

Illimitable:
He’s a DM, you will have to judge him on his primary objective for his team.

KDB & Bruno both play the same role & Bruno has edged him in every measurable parameter.

Dont mind him. Just like askng between De gea and Ndombele who is better thats an absurd comparison.

We keep asking them to present to us a single metric where KDB has outdone Bruno, they have failed to provide it. Yet they will always be disturbing us with KDB KDB a player that couldn't get City pass UCL quaters against middle range teams like Monaco, Spurs, Liverpool and Lyon.

Melvyn11:
So why bring Mctominay in the first place if your intentions was not to ascertain that he has been a better player?

I brought Mctominay to show you that even a defensive midfielder like Mctom is outscoring your lord and Savior whom you and others where comparing with a player who has scored 25 goals already this season and counting

Melvyn11:
So what other factor made Mctominay a better player than Kdb this season apart from goals-from open play?

That Mctominay is even topping KDB in terms of goals from open play 4:1 . Is even a disgrace.

Illimitable:
Let me check the stats......

Bruno 77-69 KDB.

They will soon use color of hair to judge both players as they are running out of things to say.

Remove KDB’S corner and freekicks he will be contending with Marvelous Nakamba of Villa in terms of Chances created. What a fraud.

Melvyn11:
I asked a simple question. So Mctominay is a better player than Kdb?

That's a ridicuolous question you are asking me, Mctoms is a defensive midfielder compare him to Rodri, Ndidi and Fernandinho. KDB is an attacking midfielder pair him with his mates like Maddison, Grealish and Bruno. Just like asking me if De gea is better than Cancelo.

Illimitable:
Why shouldn’t he rated by goals?

Until Bruno’s arrival, the general perception was that attacking midfielders should only be rated by assists and key passes, Bruno has quickly changed that notion.

He’s leading your favorite strikers(Kane, Calvert-Lewin, Vardy, Aubameyang, Watkins, Ings) on the scorer’s chart. Bruno has changed the narrative, an attacking midfielder can score goals too.

Tell KDB to work on his scoring boots.

Forget the goals even. Bruno is ahead of KDB on every metric whatsoever you present even the chances created. Mind you KDB takes all City's set peices while Shaw do that for united, so all bruno chances created are from open play.

Melvyn11:
So Mctominay is a better player than Kdb?

That stats is a clear indication of a sort of a Fraud KDB is. No quality Attacking Midfielder will be restricted to just 1 open play goal the whole season, thats criminal, more pathetic is that he plays for an ultra attackung team

Illimitable:
Penalties aren’t easy to score - if it is, Pep won’t take the rights from KDB & Gundogan, to give it to Rodri. Even Ederson has been claiming the rights to be taking them as there’s no single City player that is consistent with scoring from them.

Scoring from a penalty is a skill!

As for the 8 key passes created by KDB, 2 were from corner kicks and some of the other 6 were from indirect freekicks into United box. KDB did little today.

Bruno’s number of key passes have been reduced ever since Ole has put Shaw on set plays. It still doesn’t justify why KDB has just 1 open play goal in 22 appearances this season.

Wan Bissaka has more open play goals than KDB.

Pathetic!

Mctoms 4 goals KDB 1 goal from open play

Illimitable:
The stats aren’t fake, the ratings are fake.

Bruno and De Bruyne went into this game with the objective of winning the match for their respective teams.

Bruno got the job done by scoring one of the goals, KDB shot blanks and his team lost.

How then is KDB rated higher?

Lol. Some went and snapped ratings from one oluwole site and you are wasting your time arguing with him?

Illimitable:
Let me expose KDB further.....

Complete Fraud. Name for me a single top attacking midfielder of a top club with such criminal stat.

Maddison, Jack Grealish, Thomas Soucek, Bruno, Gundogan etc all have sizeable amount of goals this srason. But our dear KDB can only muster one goal from open play.

Even Lord lingard has outscored him with only 5 appearances

KingAlabi:
Oga what I mean here is

Bruno is better than KDB and gundogan combined this season

Very good.

Another angle is that KDB has scored (O. N. E) goal from open play this season

This is KDB today.

Please I need to see KDB stats against Top 6, abeg i wan check something. Expert17 abeg can you help a brother.