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afrodoc2:
I can’t illustrate to you enough how much i don’t give a phuck about what Moyes did at West Ham or East Ham.

I am talking about their records as United manager.
The lowest placed United manager in the last 30yrs is David Moyes. And he inherited defending champions.

He took us from no1 to no7 in one season.

We went from perennial champions league participants to not even qualifying for Europe( UCL or even Europa) for the first time in 25 years. In one season.

If you want to push your OleOut campaign Moyes is not the example to use.

Eeh Moyes didnt do well at man united and its a one off, I forgive him. But Ole is clueless

handelex:
Mou's first season we finished 5th.

Mou's 2nd season we finished 2nd.

Mou's 3rd season, sacked while 6th.

Ole comes in halfway and finishes 6th.

Ole's first season we finished 3rd.

Ole's 2nd season we are currently 2nd with half the season gone.

You forgot that within that Mourinho tenor. We won League cup and Europa, while at least qualifying from our champions league group. What Ole couldn't do

handelex:
So a washed up team that was the defending champions suddenly become good enough for 7th, not even a top 4 finish?

A drop from fergie to Moyes is huge.

Karleb:
This your conclusion tire me o.

So you mean Moyes could have won the league if he was given enough time?

Ole has not won anything yet and its going to 3 years now.

afrodoc2:
This is just a bunch of excuses. In 7 years time people will make better excuses for Amaka. If Moyes had just dropped us from 1st to 3rd or 4th you would have a point. 7th loun loun!

Moyes dropped 6 spots in one full season. Amaka has not done that yet.

Moyes cleared out a multiple title winning coaching staff and brought with him the who’s who of nothing to coach. Amaka brought back title winners to help him coach.

Moyes told Rio and Vidic to watch tapes of Jagielka to improve their defending.

Moyes is the apotheosis of cluelessness. Say no revisionist history.

Back to chilling on my fence.

Are you saying Ole is a more accomplished manager than David Nwoye?

Lana1:
Lol. Have a nice day.

That's your opinion.For me Klopp is not better than Mourinho. Both started coaching same time. Mou started with union Lieira, Klopp started with Mainz same time. Let look at their trophy cabinet.

handelex:
Lol.

CapitalC already said he inherited a squad that came 2nd a year before he was appointed, so it's a good enough squad while he's busy defending David Moyes that inherited a title winning team with proven winners and yet 7th was the best he could achieve.

A title winning team with washed up Vidic and Ferdinand, retired Scholes, Giggs who os a shadow of himself, Declining Rooney and Evra, and injured Van persie. What is remaining in that team?
A title winning team that lost the drive of. Vidic, Rio, Rooney, RVP, EVra, Scholes, and Giggs. What is remaining? So you think because fergie won the league with that team they are as good? Fergie that used Brown, Oshea, Rafeal, Fabio, Cleverly, Welbeck, Gibson, Evans and Young to win titles.

Leyqute:
Compare how much we spent after Mourinho left with how much City spent on defense alone

Calculate it lets check something. Today we must Calculate this money they saud pep spent.

handelex:
Newcastle.

You're now a Moyes fanboy?

E be things oo.

It was Fulham ogbeni i watched the game. Darren Bent equalised in the dying seconds after Carrick and Van persie turned the game around.

Lana1:
Sarri had been coaching before I was born. Maybe that means he should be better than Pep too if we follow ur logic.
Na here we dey when many guys here were hyping Mourinho's appointment while Pep went to City. Now all we hear is "See Pep...see Pep"

The Glazers you guys keep telling us are trying are the same ones who let top managers like Ancelotti, Pep and Klopp slip their grasps so that they can hire the Mourinho's and LVG of this world.

I dont disagree that Ole is average. When the time is up, Ole will either step down or be sacked. But what I wont do is join you in crying about it.

Ole's time is up. Anybody that is excited about Mourinho's appointment is wrong, that it didn't work out as expected with us doesn't still make him a bad manager, name 3 managers that were more successful than Mourinho since he started coaching. Klopp is not a better manager than Mourinho, one can make a case for Pep and Ancellotti though.

Sarri can start Coaching since 1900, but that is the reason he is not having any job at the moment, he is not good enough. My point is Ole is not suitable for a club like Man united. Simple.

afrodoc2:
He should continue his OleOut campaign and just forget this Moyes narrative.

Moyes that sat down and watched as his team made 81 crosses at Old Trafford against the bottom team and still didn’t win the match.

Dey spam crosses like G boy.

That was Fulham at least he got a draw. Ole lost to Sheffield United at old Trafford a team that was on course for an EPL lowest point total until Ole did saraka for them
Look at Moyes West Ham position in the table this season, a club he took in relegation battle last year. The last time Ole took a team like that, he sent them to championship and was about sending them to league 1 until they put him out of his misery.

handelex:
So this is the defence you can come up with?

You don't have any point.

Ofcourse perpetual Oleiners will never see any point, so far its not a way of lowering our targets to Europa standards and allow him to be messing up.

Lana1:
Give Pep this team. Give Pep this team.
As if say we no know Pep is lightyears better than Ole.

Comparing Pep and Ole is like comparing Ronaldo and Lukaku.....pointless!!!

Ole and Pep started their managerial careers almost the same time. They are age mates, stop behaving as if Ole just retired like Arteta or Rooney. So why will a team like Man United go for a manager who is lightyears behind their rivals and expect to win anything? That's the mediocrity we are talking about. If Ole is not up to the task he should find his level so we can find a world class manager to challenge for top honours. There are vacancies for championship and league 1 clubs he can start from there.

afrodoc2:
Nah not accepting that. Amaka had half a season and the team was already in trouble when he took over (which was exactly why he came in mid season anyway).

Moyes took a team from 1st to 7th in one season.
BIG DIFFERENCE. You can’t compare sleep to death.

Maybe it is because Amaka’s case is still fresh and Moyes was a long time ago but trying to compare what is happening now to what Moyes did devalues your OleOut argument.

When you make good points i will be the first to support you but indirectly trying to whitewash Moyes record? Kolewerk.

Moyes Bleep up yes but lets take things into perspective. Moyes took a team that finished 1st, but with Ferdinand and Vidic the world class starting CBs in thier last hurray, Vidic and Ferdinand concluded their transfers mid season, and both of thier careers effectively ended almost immediately. Rio was very useless at QPR, Vidic couldn't pick up at inter, scholes retired, Giggs became bit part player, Rooney has started declining, Van persie was injured almost the whole season. What was left for Moyes was bare bones, and he came in after the retirement of the greatest manager in British football it will be hard to cope, and moreover he only got Felliani that season.
For Ole, of the current regular starters only Maguire, Bruno and AWB were not there when he joined. He already has a goid team that finished 2nd a year before. Ole has this knack of losing when the pressure is high, he doesn't know how to win ruthlessly, he is naive, he is not competent, he is simply not good enough. Moyes might have performed badly but there was no evidence to suggest that if he is given more time he wouldn't have done better.

patrickmuf:
City won't struggle...I am certain if Pep handles our squad and Ole handles City, in no time Man City fans will start saying we have the better players...

The urgency in the passing of Man City players, their positional awareness and pressing isn't down to the players but tentamount to a well drilled team...

Doc said I should make peace with the fact that Ole is average but how do you make peace knowing that we are headed to no where with Ole as coach? Aren't we wasting the talents of our current crop of players?

Is it not when we realized that Mou has reached his peak with us especially when he started causing trouble that most folks here gave up on him? How long before we realize that nearly isn't what brought us thus far? We always managed to win irrespective of the conditions but now, we seem to find excuse for every set back...

Dont mind them. they think the clueless ole will achieve anything even if you give him Brazil 1970 squad. Give this united team to Guardiola, 1 year later you will see what the team will turn into, Ole cannot perform more than his abilities. He started coach about the same time with Guardiola but look at their trajectory.

For those that care to remember, the Barca team that Pep took over in 2008 is a very unbalanced and dilapidated, one year later he is winning the treble. Give Ole that kind of team, we will only be hearing of complaints here and there.
Today we complain of attack, tomorrow we complain of midfield the next is goalkeeper and then defence, every time with Ole nothing is ever balanced. If Ole did not play for Man United, will he ever smell the managers position at Manchester United?

handelex:
We are Manchester United bla bla bla, we shouldn't be lowering our standards...

When last was this team realistically close to challenging for a title talk more of winning it..

When elite coaches like Van Gaal and Mou were brought to win the league, did they even throw in a competent challenge?

Mourinho was on record saying coming second with this team was his best achievement at United, we were hailing him oo, a proven winner and it was not mediocrity then

Now everybody suddenly understands mediocrity as if they know Jack shit about coaching.

After Mourinho left. We spent almost 300m pounds byt still cant finish the same 2nd.

afrodoc2:
Calm down bruv. This is recency bias.

David Moyes is the most clueless. Confirm.

Lol. Doc. David Moyes was not given the kind of opportunity ole was given. Ole finished 6th in his first season, Moyes 7th. Who knows how moyes would have done if he was a legend and was allowed to continue like Ole.

KingAlabi:
With the way things are looking

Liverpool might not make top 4 oh

Cc nikiballer

Focus on your useless team that can't defend, stop complaining about the speck in another man's eye whrn you have a log of wood in yours. Your darling manager Ole is the most clueless person i have seen manage Man utd. If he has any dignity left in him, he should leave honorably by the end of the season.

Lol. I have written off this season sha in terms of trophies. Anything that comes in I take it.

Lets continue backing the wrong tree lets not go and get a competent manager who knows his onions. Ole is a useless manager who is supposed to be trying his luck in teams lime Sheffield Wednesday, Preston Northend and Wycombe. Look at the mess Lampard was having at chelsea, you think if Abramovic was our owner Ole will still be our manager? Lol.

Ok oo, lets keep sinking into mediocrity soon Pep will turn this EPL to what Fergie turned it to. This is set to be his 3rd league title in 4 years. Na small small we are getting there.

Miracood2:
gtb... thanks sir

Done

Miracood2:
boss, na only on3 game cut am o..... u no go reconsider?

Acount number or account Id which one you wan make i fund?

timay:
The same Tuanzebe that got loaned out to Aston Villa that year when they were still in the championship and didn't get much game time, and yet Ole magically believed that he can turn him to prime Nesta. I wonder who advices Ole sometimes. Same thing with Fosu mensah at Crystal palace too. All these guys are mediocre. But some of una no want to accept and start giving premium excuse.

The likes of Ake and Zouma becomes mainstay in all the teams they get loaned to by Chelsea , whether in the EPL or Championship, that showed that they had some quality and could even make it in Chelsea as at worst squad players.

Dont mind him, all these academy wannabe hyped players, na so they hyped Gomes finish after baba do guy finish e comot, lille carry am enter one obscure Portuguese team, he is doing FA there. I was telling folks here that TFM is not good enough but dem no wan here, even before he returned from loan, he was shocking at both occasions. Tuanzebe is not just good enough. Fergue wouldn't have promoted him at all.

When AKe and Zouma went on loan, they clealy showed their mettle, but our own players go go loan for relegation or championship team, chop bench finish, return, wan come compete for places.

dammywapes:
No b smalling wey i know from fulham? That of pavard baba he played in a good team not that won’t show one’s lapses compare to this inconsistency man utd team managed by ole do you actually compare fergie n de sch amp team to that of Ole ? For example, everyone knows valdes is not good for the level of barca back then but the for team being a good one covers his lapses.

You changed directions again i thought you said inexperienced CB backs dont play in big games at FB.

Smalling was far more inexperienced than Tuanzebe. He was playing for Fulham but a year before that, he was at non league Maidstone.

Pavard was playing in 2nd Bundesliga, Tuanzebe was playing for promoted Villa 2 years ago and both are same age. So how is pavard more experienced. Pavard went from Bundesliga 2 to World cup Final, But "inexperienced" 24 year old Tuanzebe cannot play versus patched up useless Arsenal. Lol.

Smalling was playing for Maidstone a year before and he was 21, I was watching 21 year old James Justin of Leicester live on a tenner or free sometimes at then league 2 Luton FC in 2019. This season he is one of the best LB in the league. So tell me the excuse of Tuanzebe? We are not asking him to be prime Dennis Irwin or G. Neville. Just dont commit errors. Mba!!! everyday he must cost us points.

elampiro:
Maguire is the principal culprit. If he had legs, it was his ball 100%

DDG thought he was punching for Shaw to clear, but he didn't know Abdoulaye was already running from behind Shaw to the centre of the 6 yard box.

So the first Goal was Maguires mistake and nothing else. Ok ooo

dammywapes:
wes brown did that of moscow baba no dey compare brown’s match experience to that of tuanzebe especially in big match

Lol. First you said CBs are not played in big matches i gave you few examples where it was done in the biggest of stages. Yet you brought in experience. Benjamin Pavard was pkaying for 2nd division team in Bundesliga when Deschamps called him for World cup.

Smalling has just played 6 months for us infact he was playing for non league maidstone as a CB a year back. Fergie played him against City, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Arsenal at RB within the same period. 21 year old Johny Evans just returned from loan from Sunderland, fergie played him at RB versus Chelsea. So what are you talking about

elampiro:
Maguire was outpaced for Everton first goal.

Maguire was not at fault for the first goal elampiro. Tgat was a DDG group of companies

dammywapes:
Owen Hargreaves game experience compare to that of tuanzebe? , tuanzebe is just a kid to the big game. Y’all mentioning larpote n AKE you know how many first team match they have played?

It seems you just started watching united recently bro. Owen Hargreaves didnt play FB in moscow niether was he in the team that pkayed asernal in 2009 semis. Moreover owen Hargreaves is a midfielder

dammywapes:
Don’t divert it from what we discussing bro when lewa missed penalty they were still 0-0 is different to when your team needs to seal off the match. This is the epl you can’t compare game tempo to that of bundesliga. If that match is played in epl bayern might draw the match.

So because its Bundesliga Lewandowski should miss chances and PK abi?

Rashford and co gave the team a 2 goal lead. You men at the back squandered it. They went ahead again, your guys squandered it again. More often than not, your guys have been gifting opponents no matter how poor the head start, only for Rashford and co to bail them out. Stop blaming the wrong people.
Blame, Ole, DDG, Magwaya and Lindelof.

dammywapes:
You better calm down is it in a big game like the one tuanzebe played in?

Did you watch the Moscow final vs Chelsea? Who assisted Ronaldo's goal?

Who scored the winning goal against Arsenal in 2009 1st leg Semifinals?

Uniquisite:
Agbero defender.. Pukes

He no even dey ginger the team as captain. I'm sure it will feel like make Bruno beat craze for both the CB body after conceding 2 goal in 5 minute

Make Bruno do wetin?

Bruno, Rashford and Cavani should go and do frog jump joor for not scoring 9 like against Southampton.

timay:
The guy just dey yarn dust. Saying why can't they score 5 goals. What's even the assurance that Maguire and his gang won't give back 5 goals to Everton as sorvenier ? I'm sure he will come back to say why can't we score 6

Look at city, they've not been scoring much, Just one or two goals and their defense will close shop for a good 3 points.

But over here , our foward must score 5 goals every match just because some idiots at the back can't defend to save their lifes

Na the people wey KingAlabi dey recruit come this thread be this. A team that has scored more goals than every team in the EPL yet you are blaming an attcker that has contributed to nearly half of the goals in a match that ended 3-3. They have their sacred cows that should not be called out, So Rashford is an easy target for a cover up

dammywapes:
U just dey defend wetin uno suppose dey defend so cos they score 3 they can’t score 5? Odinma

What do you mean by defending. Lewandowski missed a penalty yesterday, but Coman scored later. The game ended 1-0 to Bayern. Rashford and co scored 3 but maguire and co gifted 3. How is it Rashford fault? You want them to score 100 before we win any match?