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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 8:49pm On Dec 16, 2017
JayKayMaybachz:
They're sixth on the Log... Eh
Check your table again Liverpool are sixth
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 8:33pm On Dec 16, 2017
JayKayMaybachz:
Burnley. Naaa.. They ain't top 5 naa


Who da'fvck are they...?
The table said they are.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 8:27pm On Dec 16, 2017
JayKayMaybachz:
I said Top 5

I noh mention Dem
Burnley did not
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 7:35pm On Dec 16, 2017
Look at Sane Debruyne and even injury prone gundogan dropping back to help regain the ball back and move forward quickly but lazy id.iots in our team will be forming attacking midfielders when you give them defensive duties they will be misbehaving.

These city players are very good in all round performance.
Meanwhile Rose should not be bought he is not that good.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by CapitalCee(m): 7:29pm On Dec 16, 2017
snowstormm:
neymar 2 goals 2 assists


I don't think hazard has ever involve in 4 goals in a match..ikedia is useless
Yes in a rubbish French league where championship level players like depay are cruising. Stop this hazard bashing its getting stale.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 2:30pm On Dec 16, 2017
eph12:
Nobody is actually calling for Mourinho's head for dropping Mkhi. We all prayer for it to happen na
Nobody did here bro, I am just referring to the press, who may want to milk the situation and tag it that it's because of his defensive responsibilities, to excuse a guy who did not perform despite many chances given to him. infact any midfielder that doesn't help defensively should be ashamed of himself.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 12:53pm On Dec 16, 2017
dubylhover:
how many times on this board have peeps come out to always say that micki always ghosts during matches,so even when he was topping the assists charts,lana1 rightly pointed out that he was just a stat padder and wasn't really influencing games..so when he stopped "padding" his stats,he was of no use to the first team...abeggi no one should come out and say he was dropped because he refused to defend,cos that's just plain ignorance...his supposed attacking input was reduced that's y he's being dropped not because of any defensive responsibiltiy
When I say some people just jump in to criticise Jose unfairly they tag it "we vs them". Mkhi had his chance, infact i was even surprised he keep getting picked after so many ghost appearances, if he had been so effective in the final third believe me Jose would have ignored his defensive responsibilities, but the dude has been very annoying. Martial is a typical example, even till now he still doesnt track back, but due to his wizardry up front Jose has to be starting him ahead of Rashford.
That's was why i wasn't even worried about Lukakus miskicks vs city that led to the goals, because he did well to even track back to defend. Let go and watch Rooney and JS park in their prime and see the dynamism of their games then we will know that miki and co are stealing a living.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 12:43pm On Dec 16, 2017
dubylhover:
God bless you abeg..what's all this talk about micki being dropped for defensive lapses when he has actually been terrible in thr offensive third of the pitch
People should watch the much heralded city and see how Aguero, Jesus, Silva , Sterling and KDB track back to help Mark and defend, as well as help in attack. But in my team, what we have are just lazy players who just want to be fed then, they will score or assist and take the glory. Check how many assists and chances created pogba has, still he tracks back to help in defending, how about Valencia and Young that will defend, mark ball and still run at the other end of the pitch to deliver crosses and assist. But no the lazy man wants to just daily in midfield while other will go and get the ball for him and put it on the plate for him to score/assist. Any body supporting mikhi in this case is just being unfair to the manager.
Let's ask ourselves, why is Pogba creating more chances and assisting and even scoring, with more defensive responsibilities, how many goals/assist did Felliani have in how many minutes compare it with that of miki, even with his defensive responsibilities.
That's why i suggested earlier that we need to cut down on our losses and get rid of all these indomie players without bottle and buy only super quality players like Pogba, Martial and Ibrahimovic, and some few very no nonsense and serious players like young and Valencia. You can't be lazy during Fergie, Ronaldo, Rooney, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney, js park all attacking players have defensive responsibilities but still deliver up front.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by CapitalCee(m): 12:25pm On Dec 16, 2017
diggz:
How are you flogging him with logic when the last 2epl title holders didn't play in Europe? and according to you, it was the major reason why they won it....


Why can't a team not playing in Europe, in your league.....win it also, since it is that easy to win a league title when you are not playing in any other competition?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 12:03pm On Dec 16, 2017
funlord:
FOCUSED mofo.....




"Even when I don't play it's so important to watch the likes of pogba, herrera, matic and Carrick, people who play in my position and study everything they do on the pitch! At home its videos of scholes, keane, becks, xavi and co. Then whenever you go out on the pitch you need to emulate that and be yourself on the pitch. I thought I was doing that against bournemouth the other night and as I say I just want to go into the 2nd half of the season really strong."



Scott Mc tominay........MUTV
That's the spirit not some stupid fancy players who feels the team owe them anything by serving us dross and making us look bad.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 12:01pm On Dec 16, 2017
eph12:
I thought it's his efforts in the final third that we should be more concerned about?
Truth be told, Mikhi has not been good at all even in the final third. And moreover for a midfielder he has to help defensively, we can't continue to tolerate this kind of lackadaisical approach to games and expect to manager to keep quite, any player that is not ready to run his socks off for the team should get out, and that includes miki, what do you expect the manager to do when he has been serving us rubbish performance which culminated into losing so many points. If the above story is true, he should be offloaded quickly.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 7:54pm On Dec 14, 2017
pamcode:
I just checked wiki. In 2005-2006 season Dinho was top assister in La Liga and was joint top assister with three other guys - Eto, Pienaar Micouud. He was top assister in Serie A 2009/2010 with 14.
Even Sunday Mba.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 7:53pm On Dec 14, 2017
raumdeuter:
I cant tell you what he did in EUro 2012, I can tell you what he did at 2009 CL semi, 2009 CL final, world cup 2010, CL 2011, 2011 CL final, La Liga 2013, CL 2015 and final

Scored the greatest goal in Spanish football history
When will Hidden Hazard start performing in big games, He will be 27 in less than a month
Dem no de ever de win you for argument. You too de turn. Chai
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 6:13pm On Dec 14, 2017
Obere4u:
Pappi what did iniesta do in euro finals 2012 that warrants the man of the match award? 4 goals and 4 assistser yet his name is not among
Poling booth award
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 12:46pm On Dec 14, 2017
funlord:
Away from all this irrelevant discussions who else was impressed by Mc tominay last night? That boy was dropping some kind of passes that I had not seen since paul scholes left united? Good tackling and making High risk, fearless passes that surprised bournemouth time and time again and also created opportunities for our attacking players..he could have won motm on another day

I think if he can build on this performance then himself, matic and pogba can form the fulcrum of our midfield going forward so long as Ander is still coasting...the next kid to enter that 1st team should be gomes nice to know he has finally signed a new contract...at least he would add competition for Miki and mata...
Please is Herrera really better than Mctominay? It's better we stopped buying these overrated foreign player and develop our home grown players and only buy super quality players like Pogba, Martial and Ibrahimovic.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 8:58pm On Dec 13, 2017
raumdeuter:
It will be nice if you can back all these up with numbers goals and assists. Its easier to look at numbers than just take yur word for it

Pogba being your best player does not mean this is the best of Pogba

Joe Cole provide the goals and assists he had during Mourinhos reign and when Mourinho left.

Same with Deco, give us his stats goals and assists pre Mourinho, with Mourinho and post Mourinho tovalidate your claims
For the stats Google is your friend.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 8:49pm On Dec 13, 2017
Skimpledawg:
Hazard, when Mourinho got into his life during the 2nd spell in Chelsea was 37 goals 22 assists in all comps except Belgium, that is 59 goals + assists.

I stand to be corrected tho.

So, Egbon Dayo does this stats show JMs influence in Hazard's life? Hazard was definitely better and improved his stats when JM came into his life.

Are you convinced?

cc Capitalcee.
Don't mind him, the only EPL player of the season hazard won was achieved during Jose s tenure
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 8:43pm On Dec 13, 2017
raumdeuter:
I dont need to quote you anywhere on Joe Cole, provide the stats that showed Joe Coles productivity under Mourinho and post Mourinho

That pales in comparison to what Deco did in Barcelona

Is this Pogbas best season ever? Are you sure I cant point to some seasons in Juve where he has done better
It doesn't need to be pogbas best season for you to confirm he is doing well. Currently he is the best player in the team, is that not flourishing?

Joe Coles best seasons were in 04/05 And 05/06 seasons when Jose was there, immediately Jose left Joe Coles career went downhill and he never recovered.

Decos best seasons were in 01/02 and 02/03 seasons statistically but his best performance came in 2004 when he and Derlie especially were umplayable. All those seasons jose was his manager, he did well at Barca but never replicated his Porto days form.
Sneidjer was another player that play his best game with Jose and till now many including me are still wondering why FIFA denied him balonn dor that year.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 8:34pm On Dec 13, 2017
BlueAngel444:
But so far do you believe Lukaku was worth spending [/b]100m[/b] for, would any other available striker at the time done better?
Where did you pull out that figure from? Same thing is usually said for martial for whom monaco was paid 35.8m and will be paid 58m only if the Frenchman wins ballon dor but people keep stating the later figure.

Lukaku has done well so far, 13 goals in 22 games is a return for any striker. Though he needs to improve some areas of his game
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 8:33pm On Dec 13, 2017
BlueAngel444:
But so far do you believe Lukaku was worth spending [/b]100m[/b] for, would any other available striker at the time done better?
Where did you pull out that figure from? Same thing is usually said for martial for whom monaco was paid 35.8m and will be paid 58m only if the Frenchman wins ballon dor but people keep stating the later figure.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 8:29pm On Dec 13, 2017
raumdeuter:
How much did Mourinho spend on the team that finished level on points with City?
Mourinho took over a team that finished 7th, 4th and 5th. And regurlaly playing the Europa league, while the team pep took over finished 1st, 2nd and 4th. And are champions league semi-finalist. Yet he spent far more
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 8:27pm On Dec 13, 2017
raumdeuter:
Players are not only bought for first team spots alone, players are also bought to be backups. Cesc and Hleb were bought to be backups. Cesc as a long term Xavi replacement but Xavi didnt wane in powers and Cesc became impatient same thing with Thiago

Oh if Seydou Keita is not a flop, then how is fabregas who played 151 games for Barcelona scored 42 goals and gave 57 assists a flop all in 3 seasons Thats an average of over 50 games per season average of 14 goals and 19 assists per season

Can you prove that Joe Coles best season was under Mourinho Deco was brought to limelight by Mourinho but his best years were in Barca with Rijkaard

It still remains to be seen if this will be Pogbas best season ever
Joe Coles best season was under Jose quote me. Anywhere.
Deco played his best football under Rijkaardhuh What happened to the deadly midfield combination of Maniche, Deco and Costinha which formed the foundation of the Portuguese world cup semi-final finish in 2006.
Pogba is flourishing under Jose now, there is nothing remaining to be seen.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 8:23pm On Dec 13, 2017
Skimpledawg:
Dayo loves stats... grin

Let's give him some
This fact is incontrovertible
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 6:43pm On Dec 13, 2017
raumdeuter:
Fabregas and Hleb could not displace maestros like Iniesta and Xavi so they had to sit on the bench

Hazard was blamed for Chelsea CL ouster, Eden is not the kind of player to sacrifice himself for the team," Mourinho fumed post-match. "He is the kind of player that is not so mentally ready to look back to his left-back and to leave his life for him. The perfect team at the top level cannot make these kinds of mistakes."

KDB said he lost his Joy under Mourinho

Ozil was told “You’re such a coward. What do you want? To creep under the beautiful, warm shower? Shampoo your hair


https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/how-mourinhos-peculiar-relationship-playmakers-costing-manchester-united-dearly
Fabregas cannot displace xavi and Iniesta but was chased for over 3 years endlessly culminating into Barca players wrapping him with a Barca kit during world cup celebrations. Hleb was key to Arsenals champions league run in 2006, so why did he chase him and bought him to spectacularly fail. Seydou Keita did not displace xavi and Iniesta but still got his fair share of games, so is not a flop, then why these other 2.
Hazard had his best season with Jose, Ozils time with him are his best years. Joe Cole played the best football of his life with Jose.
Deco was brought to limelight by Jose. Pogba is already fantastic this season Why?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 6:36pm On Dec 13, 2017
BlueAngel444:
Are you also considering the improvements made by bought coaches as well.

The vast array of improvements financially done in the past four seasons also plays a huge factor.

City have given Pep a better squad, at whatever cost. Bought 2 new Gks, bought 4 or 5 defenders, bought 4 attackers, 1 striker to to a team with atleast 4 quality top players at the time whereas Man U had just De Gea and maybe Martial who along with other previous buys were bought based on future potential.

City bought players 40m, 50m up to 7 wow.
Correct Pep spent almost half a billion euros on a team that reached semi-finals of the champions league
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 6:10pm On Dec 13, 2017
Skimpledawg:
Can the same be said of Hazard that has reduced number of goals and assists plus awards since Mou left him?
Ask him about Sneidjer and Deco. And what happened to ozil
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 6:03pm On Dec 13, 2017
And raumdeuter has not told us how mourinho who is "aversed to playmaking" has names like Joe cole, Hazard, Deco, Sneidjer, Ozil, Fab and currently Pogba are flourishing under him. While Hleb and Fab failed under Pep the attacker.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 6:00pm On Dec 13, 2017
BlueAngel444:
shocked Here your agreeing to codedguy1 conclusion that it's Mou's fault, for what exactly, Lukaku's inability to play the way Mou wants, hold up plax to meet the team's requirements.

I guess it's Mou's fault for shelling out 100m for a striker and still being unable to play to his established strengths. But then has your view changed to it's Mou's fault (lemme keep reading cheesy)
I don't like criticism on Lukaku but against City he was atrocious. And ofcourse people have off days its allowed
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 5:51pm On Dec 13, 2017
BlueAngel444:
Mata was better than Silva till Mou happened, what helped Silva is the team he plays in and the coaches he has had. The last time Mata was in an attacking team was at Chelsea.

There is nothing to look at towards Matic.
There was no point in Matas career that he was adjudged to be beta than silva, yes chelsea an attacking team that parked the bus against benfica Barca and bayern enroute winning the champions league.
Matic has been fantastic in United this season unless you chose to ignore it, because you have to put up with yoko
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 5:41pm On Dec 13, 2017
BlueAngel444:
Infact shocked Argghhh, are you serious, which fact huh or you meant to type fart cheesy.

And there you go again with your most undecided where? when? who? now name atleast 50% of NL known chelsea fans atleast quote four times they criticize Conte each.

YOU CAN'T, CAN YOU angry not only Infact, it's Infart
Most of your fans blame conte for your woes this season its not a new thing
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 5:35pm On Dec 13, 2017
Skimpledawg:
Carry on baba, I dey enjoy your analysis with Unku Dayo, only that he never gives up
Na so bro
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 5:31pm On Dec 13, 2017
SIRcumalot:
if doesn't at least win like the UCL or the league with us this season Neymar won't hire him.
plus this defensive football stuff don dey follow am around like bad odour for sometime,he no fit shake am again.
make he just own am at this point.
UCL is too much of a target for him, but he won the Europa at Porto the next year he won the champions league.

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