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Honestly I will not want to login here, the day we will lose. Walahi! It's gonna be bloody

adisaaowala:
TBH, I don't have a problem with the result (and the performance) - if na for Old Trafford we been play like that, na different issue entirely.

Trying to compare Mourihno's bus parking with Fergie's Cautious approach is what I don't like.

But two different managers can never play the same tactics you know.

hoopLA:
disingenuous at best.
Firstly, Fergie had Rio Ferdinand (2nd costliest player in England at that time) and Wayne Rooney, both around 30 million pound players each.

Secondly, making references to an era where transfer fees were still reasonable as against now is not a fair argument.
If Lukaku was available in 2007, would Fergie pay 75 million (excluding add-ons) for him?

Perspective abeg.

When I saw that comment I don't want to answer it. So that the Einsteins will not say we are defending Jose and don't want any criticizm for him, but if you want to condemn someone please be fair to him. Lukaku, Mkhitaryan, Herrera, Rashford and even Matic cannot play in a team that has Rooney, Giggs, Tevez, Ronaldo, Scholes and Carrick. The market now is not same with now and there are no Arab money then. If it's now that Rooney Emerged breaking all records and went ahead to boss Euros, we would have been talking about 150million upwards, but was gotten for 27million. Sometimes some United fans sound to me like trolls wahali, no hard feelings TBH.

larride:
Pass the ball around where? In our own way? With the high pressing Pool used? With jittery players like Smalling, Herrera and Miki?

LOL.

Doing this will amount Arsenalesque mauling

adisaaowala:
And when they were present in this same fixture last season, no be the same bus we park?

P.s. - my response to CapitalCee was even to buttress the fact that Fergie didn't park the bus in that fixture,despite the limitations

Ok sir

[quote author=adisaaowala post=61440580][/quote]And what does the second bolded signify? Abeg let's end it here.

afrodoc2:
Did you see me mention the Southampton match? I think you got me confused with someone else.
I didn't watch that match so i have nothing to say about it, nothing to say.

JM parked the bus against Liverpool 2 years in a row, that is what i know. I also know that nearly all the matches you have listed that Fergie parked the bus in have been disproved. Fergie rarely parked the bus and FYI in the premier league era we have won more matches at Anfield than Liverpool when we have met.

Lets just move on.

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OK

patrickmuf:
For you and your ilks, everything is about the bolded...Immediately the referee blew the final whistle, my buddy turned to me and said we can't really assess the players cos the system didn't allow them perform optimally and I agree 100%

Haba brother me. You can't access our midfielders that kept running into trouble? And Smalling together with Herrera messing up a clearance? Jose have to shoulder some blame, but our players are just rubbish. If Coutinho and Mhkki switched side yesterday and you swapped Herrera for KDB. Lukaku might have been more involved. Truth be told

afrodoc2:
We didint park the bus in that game either. Being outplayed is not the same thing as parking the bus, it is not every time an opponent plays better than you that you can be said to have parked the bus.

Honestly without checking records i can only remember one time Fergie truly parked the bus and that was the Barca tie in 2008.

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So why can't you also excuse the Southampton game we won this season as being cautious or being outplayed? After all didn't we scored? Didn't we have other chances apart from the goal? Or when it's Jose it's park the bus, but when it's Fergie it's cautious and outplayed. And Conte it's Defensive masterclass

larride:
Me and you know that playing Darmain at CB is risky business, scratch that playing him at all is risky. (Mou is crazy for playing him yesterday) but when you consider that Young will be coming up against Salah, you might want to reconsider that. Mou used the 4231 to contain and hit them on the counter but Our midfield just collapse like the wall of jericho and you can't blame them really 3 midfield against 2 with Cutinho dropping deep to support and collect the ball. The question then is what did our own players did with the ball when they get it, you can't tell me that Mou instruct them to waste the ball anytime they get it. We played with 1 man down till Miki went off and Klopp maintained his superior midfield by continuing with the 3 men in the middle of the park.

Thank you sir, instead of blaming mhki and herrara for putting up dross, they are bashing Jose their easy target

adisaaowala:
We lost the game 1-0 at Goodison park...

Here is an excerpt from the match report..

I have long corrected that it's 2012 when we won through a Chicharito early goal. The match was played late 2011. Also check man United vs Southampton early 2013

afrodoc2:
Nobody is asking JM to go gung-ho in every game. You people should stop making it seem like there are only 2 options i.e gung-ho attack or park the bus. What about having a balanced or even cautious approach away from home but mixed with some attacking drives or counter attacks?

How many matches in over a year that jose has been with us have he packed the bus outrightly witgout any attacking drive or counter attack?

afrodoc2:
Yep. In those 2 matches we had more possession, more corners, more shots at goal and more shots on target. It si not every match that we lost or played badly under Fergie that we parked the bus in.

I know I wasn't even referencing the games we lost, we won Everton in 2012 Season but once Chicharito scored earlier they dominated us, same with Southampton around that time once Rooney has given us the lead. Vs Norwich etc. My issue with those condemning mourinho is saying he packs the bus without any plan. Honestly it's unfair to him. Since he came to United how many matches have he actually packed the bus? If you check it it's not up to 5. We have scored over 30 goals this season and conceded just 4. Getting a goalless point at Anfield is not bad at all

afrodoc2:
Everton vs Man Utd 2013

Possession Everton 48% Man Utd 52%

Shots Everton 15 Man Utd 18

On target Everton 4 Man Utd 6

Corners Everton 4 Man Utd 7

You saw this and said Fergie parked the bus?

. Sorry it was a mistake I wanted to say Everton vs Man United 2011/2012 Season when Chicharito scored one early goal like that. My point is Fergie also don't go gong ho in all his matches Even versus lesser opposition

afrodoc2:
You were wrong about Burnley and wrong about Everton, the only 2 i have bothered to check. Who will reimburse me for the lost MB i am using to successfully prove that you got your facts wrong?

Are u sure ? Ok oo

patrickmuf:
Lol no be everything be fight, just laugh and pass...Yesterday's game and performance is behind us, Benfica is next...

I am not fighting with you.

afrodoc2:
Burnley vs United 2009/2010 season. These are the stats.

Possession Burnley 37 % Man Utd 63 %

Attempts on target Burnely 2 Man Utd 9

Corners Burnley 1 Man Utd 13

You saw this and said Fegie parked the bus?

Check the other matches. I. Posted it off heart

adisaaowala:
BURNLEY
MAN UTD
Possession
Burnley
37%
Man Utd
63%
Attempts on target
Burnley
2
Man Utd
9
Attempts off target
Burnley
6
Man Utd
9
Corners
Burnley
1
Man Utd
13
Fouls
Burnley
8
Man Utd
12

http://googleweblight.com/i?u=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8202360.stm&grqid=YwWxk4gh&hl=en-NG

Your lies will be exposed one by one today

I am trying my best to avoid going this road with you but you are doing the opposite. Be careful

adisaaowala:
BURNLEY
MAN UTD
Possession
Burnley
37%
Man Utd
63%
Attempts on target
Burnley
2
Man Utd
9
Attempts off target
Burnley
6
Man Utd
9
Corners
Burnley
1
Man Utd
13
Fouls
Burnley
8
Man Utd
12

http://googleweblight.com/i?u=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8202360.stm&grqid=YwWxk4gh&hl=en-NG

Your lies will be exposed one by one today

Check the others, like I said, I said this off heart

adisaaowala:
I think the major problem here is that some folks don't get the difference between Outright bus-parking & a tactically cautious approach to a game.

There is a thin line between both though...

I understand what you mean but the way some people make it as if mourinho parks bus 38 games a season is totally unfair to reality. How many games have mourinho parked bus since he came to United, most of the games we called bus parking, is just that we are very cautious which Fergie also does.

Our match in 1 Oct 2011 versus Norwich, Fergie saw that we are missing some players, he set up to hit them on counter at Home, they dominated the game, we hit them with just 2 shots on target. So let's stop this hypocrisy.

Below is our match in 2012 that Fergie required a draw versus man city.

What is the difference between that and the Liverpool game

afrodoc2:
hehehe. Everybody wan prove say na dem loyal pass.

You too doc? SMH

patrickmuf:
Hehehe and he disappears like the fart of a leprous witch...1304 BC, Coogar of blessed memory...

.get out who disappeared . I don't like insulting man United fans ooo

adisaaowala:
E no good to dey use falsehood to support arguments....

CapitalCee, please show us the evidence that Fergie parked the bus vs teams like (and worse than) Everton, Southampton, Sunderland etc

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Look at these ones. Go and bring out the match statistics of Lille vs Man United in 2005/2006 group stage.
Man United vs Southampton 30 Jan 2013,
Everton vs Man United 2013 Season.
Check Burnley vs Man United 2009/2010 Season. I am just saying this off heart. If you just don't have any thing to say go and sit down

Leyqute:
Cc: CapitalCee

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On the evidence of of yesterdays game or on those games Lana1 listed? Mourinho is our manager now, and he is currently the most successful manager still in the game. Mourinho's tactics won him UCL at inter Milan and Porto, won him the league in all the major countries he has managed. So what is your point? That Southampton game you are talking about and the Draw against Liverpool are typical Fergie set up. It's not mourinhos fault that Mikhi and Herrera treats football like hot plate, it's not his fault that Pogba and Carrick got injured. Didn't he put Lingard and Rashford to push forward? So mourinho instructed the midfielders not to feed them abi, what do you mean by no plan B? Is it not the same mourinho that dealt with Chelsea 2-0 last season and totally dominated Liverpool and Arsenal, only to unluckily draw? The lost versus spurs and Arsenal was when we are no longer interested in the league. We won spurs last season. So you did not enjoy any big game since mourinho came to man United? Nawaoo

KingTom:
They've even forgotten the Fulham match where we were at the mercy of Danny Murphy and Mousa Dembele, match wey make me carry stethoscope scatter for ground. You get time to argue o some of these my 'YouTube' highlights specialist go watch end of season highlights and cup lifting, forgetting how we got there a point against Liverpool and we complain, three points against Southampton and we complain, 4-0 wins and we complain we want 5-0, second on the summit with Christmas around the corner and we complain, some are challenging others to go to other clubs, some are trading their squad for Gabriel Jesús. Mehn if I didn't have a customary bottle of brandy with me yesterday Wetin I for type here for earn me ban

Talking about Danny Murphy, during Ferguson time, that guy has been raping us at old Trafford with regularity. As average as he is

hoopLA:
Let me get this straight.
By inference, Jose's side of2017 is better than Fergie's side of 2007 and as such shouldn't defend against a rival that will always up their game even as rubbish as they've been.

Please clarify that part for me. Then maybe I'll understand your argument better.
Because if your answer is honestly yes, then I'll understand your point.
But if your answer is no, then let's forget about this argument and move forward.

Bros don't be fooled by Benitez's European exploits. That team of his was useless. Cup team extraordinaire. Wastemen like Babbel and some non-description Spainards full there. Only Gerard and a few were actually decent enough players. But as soon as United come visiting, they become something else. That has been Liverpool over the years.

That guy's comment is very ridiculous.

Elxandre:
Smh!

[s]Shocked some people can support this eyesore of a performance.
I remember Fergie defending, but only to counter.

He did this against Arsenal severally.

Any honest person would admit this performance today was shitt! I mean we had just a shot on target vs 'liverpool'. Not the Gerrard era Liverpool, but this very average side.

Be sincere, when was the last time you enjoyed a big united match?
Last season, our match vs Liverpool and several others was just as drab!

There's no way you can become an era defining team when you can't even come out to play vs mid strength teams.

I was really furious after the match because it was an embarrassing performance.


Some keep saying Fergie parked the bus vs Barcelona, as if Liverpool is Barca.
Barca might have been in crisis during that period, but that has never affected their ability to dominate a match from start to finish, especially United of around 2008 that couldn't survive against any team that could hold possession.
Was it not almost the same set of players which became destructive the following year with Guardiola?

Comparing this present Liverpool to that team is just hilarious!

I also see People talking of United parking the bus against Liverpool in 07 or so.
If you compare Benitez' Liverpool which was feared in Europe to the pussy cats masquerading as reds under Klopp, you have a problem.[/s]

Omo eeeh,if not that you are a man u fan, as you claim, I will just begin to pick the yawning holes that is too glaring in this your post, in such a way that you will stop posting here again, but I will not do that. The only person that puts up this kind of your comment is a Chelsea fan that all of know.

Leyqute:
FYI, I was talking about the Inter-Chelsea match, not Fergie's against Barcelona.

Having said that, I don't think you understand what my point and position is/have been saying all these while.

Against top teams (Madrid, Barcelona etc), for me, it's okay to defend well and create several chances to attack as well, not just submit the game to them. If we defend well and create enough chances to have shots on target we'll win these top teams.

What Mourinho has done (this season), is overly defend against Southampton and to some extent Everton (non-elite teams). If these sides had any quality strikers they would have made us pay dearly for ceding everything to them.

When you give your opponent the ball and refuse to threaten them with shots on target etc, you fuel their confidence and they'll think they can beat you. If they have decent strikers they'll likely score.

We approached Arsenal the same way last season. We played woefully and were well beaten. That's unacceptable to me. It's the same way we approached the match against Real Madrid in the Supercup- and if we created enough chances but still lose I'd be okay with the thought that we put up a fight at least.

Funny enough, I rate the Liverpool game better than So'ton's. We defended better but we all know if Mané played we might not be having this conversation. In return, we just refused to trouble their defense.

Considering the fact that this same L'pool's side have shipped an average of two goals per match you can't but wonder what would've happened if the tactics or game plan was structured to allow Martial or Rashford run riot against L'Pool's full backs.

But let's kill this issue, bossman. I've said enough on this matter already. It's not compulsory we all agree with the manager's tactics. Even Moyes, as woeful as he was, had some backers here on this thread.

I don't know where Mou is taking this squad to but as long as we keep winning I'm happy, you're happy, everybody's happy.

UCL next. Let's win our next two matches and get ready for 2nd round.

Let's end the discussion jare, it's obvious you and some other guys don't like mourinho finish, I was trying defend it. But it's obvious you don't want to admit. Mind you I am not the fan of mourinho by the way. a lot of Fallacies have be thrown around of mourinho and it's very unfair.
Oga, Sir Alex Chapman Ferguson use to Park BUS against teams worse than Southampton and Everton, even Sunderland, if you want evidence I have them.
That Barcelona team that Fergie parked the bus for is the worst Barca team in recent history. He parked the bus home and away. If it's now you guys will be calling for mourinhos head.
One guy even said here that he prefers an entertaining draw to a park the bus victory. I nearly wanted to throw up.

dubylhover:
exactly,most peeps here have forgotten that 6 1 mauling which unfortunately lost us the title,asides From d goal difference,it gave man city such a morale boost to go into other games...
the comment that scattered my brain was some saying Liverpool isn't in form...for real? there are some kind of derby games that doesn't matter who's in form or not,its an entirely different game...I think Liverpool vs united is the bloodiest match in England...form doesn't play a role in this kind of game..what I would criticize is that the pool players were more physical than us..

the fact is that mourinho still won't b accepted my some people in Manu...just imagine getting a point at anfield,see the attacks on him as if they know jack about management,I guess you're right,most of em just started following the game recently

Don't mind them, we drew away to Liverpool, see rubish talk, I am waiting for the day we will lose to the likes of Watford and Burnley, some people will call for mourinho to be sacked. The one we de vex me na dose Fergie this Fergie that. I watched the almighty Ferguson United for up to 15 years at least before he retired, Liverpool vs United have always been tight no matter the form. The same Fergie that lost 4-1 at home with ballondor Ronaldo, Tevez Rooney, world class defence of Rio, Vidic, Evra and VDS.
What we should analyse is the dross that players like Mhkki and Herrera are serving us and how we will reorganize and win either EPL and UCL not moaning after every match we fail to win

Dantedasz:
Whatever the reason,Jose appears to be the issue why a fan will continue to grumble about a club he/she claims to support.
I just try to quote some of them so that at the end of the season when they start their double speak,we can see them for their true colours.
Some of them criticized Jose last season when he decided to focus on the Europa but immediately We tactically defeated Ajax,they started screaming Champions league baby!

Those shouting Fergie !!! Fergie upandan. This is the statistics for our first leg against one of the worst Barca teams in recent history. With players like Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Scholes, Gigga, and peak Michael Carrick.

Dantedasz:
Leave them.
Most of them have their hidden agenda.
Hate Jose all you want but at this critical time learn to support the colours.

Leave them most of them don't really hate Jose, they just jump the band wagon of " Jose packs the bus" without analysing it with reality

Leyqute:
Do those stats I posted depict a team that's parking a "decker" bus like you said? I don't know how you watched the game though.

This is Man Utd's stats against Barcelona at the UCL semis in 2008. Look at the possession and compare.

You posted a home match that United won 1-0. Haba a home match for God's sake. Fergie played a home match with 37% possession against the opponents 62 % and you said it's not pack the bus? Fear God ooo , how many matches have seen Jose park the bus at home since he came to United