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shadeyinka:
You know you went AWOL after you couldn't answer a simple question.

Ok o!

Which question exactly ? Have answered you. I wasn't notified of your next replies. But replied now

Please, who owns the Universe?
You may call Janosky to help you out.

Yahweh own the universe . " Father of all" " From whom all things came from " Eph 4:6 , 1Cor 8:6

chrmn1:
No what I said is that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. You are using the way it applies to humans in understanding how it applies to God. I just gave you an example that the Holy Spirit could be on earth whilst the Father is in heaven unlike how it applies to humans.

Now the only one that has a human side to him is Jesus and that was because of redemptiom/the fall of man. The Holyspirit has no human side and the Father has no human side. So if Jesus says that only the Father knows the time, the Spirit automatically knows the time even if it is not mentioned explicitly.

The baffling thing is despite your record is here where you said Father and Holy spirit are same person . You are still twisting , With that single statement the whole of trinity is in shambles since we do not have three different persons but two ( Father and spirit = person one ) ( Jesus = person two ) ( person three ?)

Realizing this you changed mouth again and said they are three personalities, three different persons which even complicate matters more, how many persons know the time of the end ?

Jesus said one single person, is he lying ?

chrmn1:
Human worship doesnt make the man God, its idolatry.

Rev 3:9 - Jesus supported Idolatry ?

chrmn1:
No what I said is that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. You are using the way it applies to humans in understanding how it applies to God. I just gave you an example that the Holy Spirit could be on earth whilst the Father is in heaven unlike how it applies to humans.

Now the only one that has a human side to him is Jesus and that was because of redemptiom/the fall of man. The Holyspirit has no human side and the Father has no human side. So if Jesus says that only the Father knows the time, the Spirit automatically knows the time even if it is not mentioned explicitly.

You are only sounding more silly u know?

Father is a different person from the holy spirit agree?

If yes, everything you type at bold is trash cos it means Jesus Lied only one person when they are actually two diffferent person that knows

I still demand an answer, which is correct

• Only the Father ? ( one person)

or Father and Holy spirit? ( two person )

chrmn1:
They are different persons but have a common essence. That scripture compares man/spirit of man to God/Spirit of God. Man reflects the reality of the triune nature of God but not totally. In the case of man the spirit, soul and body are all enclosed in one being but in the case of God the Father and the Word can be in heaven whereas His Spirit is on the earth but one cannot work solely without the intervention of the other.

Its still on record that you said Father and his spirit are same persons. Now you have separated them.

Question : How many persons know the time of the end ? One? Two ?

chrmn1:

Father, Son and Spirit are three different persons but are essentially one. The Father would not be able to carry out His role as God without the role of the Word and the Spirit.

The bible calls the Holy Spirit the Spirit of the Christ. They are three inseperable entities each having their seperate identities notwithstanding.

Changing like clouds, its now three persons. Back to the question again.

Okay, Does the spirit know the time of the end ? We know Jesus said ONLY THE FATHER knows. Just one person

How many persons know ? One ? Two ? Do u agree with Jesus only one knows ?

chrmn1:
Not an issue for me at all because Thomas calls him my lord and my God and he didn't shut Thomas' mouth at all.

I'll say it again. God will never sanction the worship of any entity other than God.

How about the humans that are worshipped, do u accept they are God ?

chrmn1:

Claiming that he must be either man or divine spirit but not both would not hold water if not substantiated with scriptures.

Oh are you saying the bible doesnt mention that Thomas placed his finger into his palm and felt the hole that was created when Jesus' palms was pierced? This happening showed his humanity.

He was just as human as he was divine in revelations because there was no change in his state between the encounter with Thomas and that time.

Is NWT now unreliable that you had to quote KJV?

Spirit does not have flesh and bones, Do u agree with this ? And is it found in the scriptures ?

chrmn1:
They are three personalities but one in essence.

Three persons

Says this Guy, but below he reduced the personality to two .

chrmn1
but these are not two persons but one person .

Father and spirit = one person.

Jesus = second person

Two personalities

PrimadonnaO:
Lmfao! Literally!

Why should you miss him. Am I not enough!?

Dear OP, you're not ready for life yet, trust me... if this is how you intend to be policing your significant other about.

These things aren't always that serious. Yes, you're overreacting! I talk to my both exes.

One is always sending pictures of us from way back whenever he stumbles on it. Just two weeks ago, I found one inbetween my books... from 4 years ago and I sent it to him. We laughed over it and all.

But trust me, there's nothing there. Perhaps, if I had a boyfriend like you and he had seen our conversations, he would have been jealous or upset. But really, there's nothing between us. I blocked him on Whatsapp but when either of us calls, we can stay on the phone talking for a decent amount of time.

But then again, I don't think I've ever told either of my exes that I miss them.

Women and double standards , I hope you would say the bolded if your fiance Does same, telling an ex he missed her adding love emoji .

Is KJV now unreliable ?

chrmn1:
Jesus is spirit, soul and body existing as one just like you and me. Difference is that he has a glorified body. After the resurrection, he asked Thomas to touch his palm and Thomas in doing so could feel the hole with which his arm was pierced. It was that same way he was taken up to heaven.

Glorified body with wounds ? Thats not glorified

Its either he is human or divine spirit, he cant be both. In Rev 3:12 is he human ?

You quoted Revelations 3:9 "Look! I will make those from the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews yet are not, but are lying—look! I will make them come and bow before your feet and make them know that I have loved you." (NWT)

You can see that the version that you trust does not mention "worship". In fact if you look up most of the translations no mention of "worship" is made.

Good morning!

Have you forgotten the same NWT doesnt use worship for Jesus too, do you agree with it on that ?

Is KJV wrong ?

More issues for you

chrmn1:
If Jesus said "only the Father knows" that statement does not preclude the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father.

That scripture reads "Which man knows the things of man apart from the spirit of the man; the same way no one knows the the things of God apart from the Spirit of God" (paraphrased)

If a man has a secret that no one else knows, by the sentiment of the above scripture we can say that man alone knows his secret and his spirit equally knows his secret but these are not two persons but one person . In fact when you say only the man knows the secret you don't need to say the man's spirit knows the secret also. Its already implied because the man's spirit knows everything about the man.

If Jesus said only the Father knows the hour, He doesn't need to mention the Spirit seperately. It is implied by reason of the fact that the Spirit of God has access to the secrets of the Father.

Father and his spirit are same persons not different

So Trinity is false ?

chrmn1:
Where does Jesus say that humans should be worshipped?

Firstly, Jesus said A Spirit being cannot have flesh and blood, For you to say he was divine spirit when speaking at Rev 3:12 means He wasnt human. Hence has a God. He isnt Almighty

^^
For Jesus asking humans to accept worship



King James Bible
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

In your own logic, If those humans are not God, they wont have been worshipped ' right ?

Am sorry to use the word clueless reply for you. Cos you missied d entire point am driving at.

chrmn1:
He had to take up the nature of man because of the redemptive work he had to do. He is a human with a glorified body but also God. He is a spirit being but with a glorified body.

Revelation 3:12 occur in heaven, Jesus said he has a God, Mr is he Human or divine spirit when he said this ? He cant be both. Cos spirit doesn't have flesh and blood.

When he said he has a God, was he divine or not ?

If he wasn't God, it would be sinful to worship Him but even God declares, "let the angels worship Him"

Jesus declare too that Humans be worshipped in the bible, does that make those humans God ??

chrmn1:

Jesus has a God because He is human and divine at the same time.

Impossible, Its either he is a Divine Spirit being or an human ... A Spirit does not have flesh and bones. So you contradict yourself. Is Jesus divine or man in heaven ? Take note Rev 3:12 happened in heaven and he still said he has a God, Is he human or divine in heaven ?

shadeyinka:
Since you'll like to help your struggling friend. The question is explicit and simple! I have even helped you to clarify by inserting the clause you like to use "as directed"

If Jesus did the actual work of creation (as directed by Yahweh), who rested from work?

Exodus 20:11


"for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore Yahweh blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy. " - WEB ( World English Bible )

It has answered you.


Is Jesus,Yahweh the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob? I think thats the real question that needed answer.

shadeyinka:
What is Death?

What does death mean in this sentence " Body dies" . exactly what I mean.

So did Jesus soul also die like his Body ? was Isaiah prophecy fulfilled ?

If you can't correctly answer this, there is no use answering you

We know it was prophesied that Messiah soul will die. Deal with it

chrmn1:
That's why I said my guess is that HE KNOWS. I am actually agreeing not disagreeing.

I actually wanted to draw you out clearly, Matthew 24:36 , Jesus said ONLY the Father knows , If your guess is true, Jesus lied ?

chrmn1:
Use of "a" many a times is discretionary because in translating words from one language to another such problems are commonplace.

You therefore have no right to criticize the NWT use at John 1:1 .

The point I am making is that whether Theon or Theos is used is not enough justification that one exclusively is used for Almighty God.

Jesus is not God Almighty, so he is still a God like others

"Can Almighty have a God?" They are one in essence the same way the Spirit of God is essentialy divine yet from scriptures He seems to have a different personality from the Father.

By essence you mean nature, Thats a silly attempt at evading the Fact that Jesus has a God ( Rev 3:12) ... Are u aware that humans also have divine nature, Does that make them Almighty God ?

chrmn1:
The bible did not mention explicitly. However we can make deductions from scriptures. My guess is that He does know but even then the bible says He only speaks what He is given to speak. (John 16:13)

According to 1 Cor 2:11 that you quote, It KNOWS ALL things of God, does that mean this verse is a Lie ?

24kmagic:
Women are the problem, not the men. Men simply go with the flow. You have the power in your hands to get the man of your dreams all to yourself.

At times when I see a girl and her boyfriend walking down the street, what I usually ask myself is na wetin this guy tell this girl whe make her gri for am?

There's this guy I know, he managed to finish secondary school only. Since then, he's been at home forming street guy. No job, no skill, no certificate. All what he knows is play bet9ja, smoke and fvck. At at 30 ooo. Funny thing is he got many girls falling for him. The question is why? Even in sch, we all know that the so called classy girls were reserved for the cultists. In the event that these girls end up with such guys, how far do you think that union will last?

Taste = 0

Ask an average lady what she wants in a relationship.

Good preek
Money

Once a guy knows you're with him for any of these two things, you're already his slave. And you know how masters treat slaves.

Take the Babcock girl story as an example. The boy is a drug addict on rehabilitation, but he still has her mumu bottom cos of good preek. Even on a hospital bed, she couldnt miss an oporrunity to taste his preek. Should that pretty girl even be involved with a drug addict in the first place? Do you think a marriage between these two people will last the test of time knowing that good preek was the foundation? Most of the ladies are just confused beings. Expect more devorce cases as time goes on.

So many things to type but let me stop here.

Serious points here

Romanoff:
We place a high premium on Marriage and shame a woman from 30-40yrs for not being married. This is leading to men getting away with randy, abusive and intolerant behaviour because las las, them go marry any woman wey them want and women will manage them like that just so they won't face the stigmatization of being unmarried.

The ones going through abuse in their marriage can't leave cause of the stigma attached to divorcees.

We need to change our mentality.

Am a man but this points you raised is true. So pathetic

UjuJoan2:
What? It's true na.

Nothing forces a man to sit up more than knowing there's someone else out there desperately seeking for his wife attention.

Men don't know that they have to keep the romance alive in their marriage too. It's not just the women that have to keep slim, look sexy and slay to keep their men's attention. The man also has to keep the fire burning for his wife too, however he manages to do that.

For some it's money, for others it's 'love and romance', for some it's even mad crazy sex. The key is finding whatever does it for her and working hard at it. If not, she's just a crazy opportunity away from cheating.

Thank you. African man mentality most times is that money is all, While women also make mistake getting married for Money whereas their heart is somewhere else. This things causes issues big tyme

Daejoyoung:
it depends on what we mean by spirit, is a spirit a person? l don't know if Holyspirit is a person or not, but l think thinking of him as a person causes confusion sometimes.

There are passages in the bible that suggests he acts as a person(probably whenever he dwells in humans and speak through them), at other times he is a fire that can be quenched when dwelling in us, at other times he is like a fountain of water.

God is simply a mystery.

Smiles, Okay wait let allow the person I actually quoted reply . You are interesting anyway

Olannajewel:
I know am infatuated about my telegram friend, probably because he tells me all I want to hear.but that doesn't erase the fact that my husband means so much to me, but I alone know how much I suffer, I need him to be my friend again. Thank you .

Talk to your husband, What you demand is right ... Even the bible says ' Husbands continue loving your wife ' , There is a reason for the bolded.

AwkaetitiBabe:
Lol, Nigerians and their hypocritical nature. Just lookat d men gesticulating up their like kini. Do not rush to comment, simply take a Lil while and walk in d Op's shoes in ur head then u can comment. Is it so hard to advise her on how to get her marriage on d right track? For idiotic fools that say women have nothing to offer, dat frustration will eat you'll up.

What the op is passing through happen, Infact if it were to be a man I'm sure he would have slept with d girl by now. Cut the op a some. Abraham Maslow wasn't a fool to include "Love and belonhing" in his hierarchy of Needs

I actually dont support adultery, never! But I like your point, Many people rush to comment and blame the OP , whereas they would have done worse if in her shoes . its high time many realize Money alone is not enough, emotional closeness is important in marriage too, No wonder even the bible said " Husband's, Keep ON loving your wives. " it says " Keep on " which means an action that must continue or else she seeks it elsewhere.

Even some ladies blaming the Op do worse, So much for hypocritical comments

Daejoyoung:
Father is the source of the spirit, the spirit proceeds from the father, so they are not seperate. The Father in my view can only relate to our world through his Holyspirit, because the Father is outside the entire universe. The universe itself came from the Father and he cannot dwell in the universe, but the spirit is like a fountain from the Father in the universe and in man. So the Spirit alone knows the mind of God and reveals from it as he wants

When you say they are not separate, Are you saying Holy spirit is not a person ?

Daejoyoung:
The spirit of God is God himself, just an outflow of God with respect to our world and us.
So yes, if God knows the hour, and the spirit of God is able to search the mind of God( according to the same bible) then it makes sense that the spirit also knows the hour.

You are offside, always hiding under the " God " title, My point is: Is the Spirit of God the same person called " Father " ? Only then I can take you serious on whether it knows or not.

shadeyinka:
The Word became Human (flesh) ...with human flesh, human soul. That's why Jesus could weep.

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So much fr immortal soul
Did Jesus soul die as prophesied by Isaiah ?

shadeyinka:
See evasive move as usual.

If Jesus did the actual work of creation (as directed by Yahweh), who rested from work?

Too simple a question!

You forgotten Yahweh created Jesus himself in the first place hence the bible said all things are created Through Yahweh as well.

chrmn1:
God indeed is a spirit. But if the word of God declares that that God who is a Spirit also has a spirit that searches all things even the deep things of God, who am I to question its position? I would rather agree with that position than agree with a contrary position.

See the passage below again:

"For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God" (1 Cor 2:11)

I am not interested in any council of Nicea but pointing out a concept that is very clear in the scriptures. You see in my previous post I did not say that the nature of man is same as the nature of God but that the concept of the triune nature of man is reflective of God's triune nature. For example the spirit of a man dwells inside man but the Spirit of God was called to dwell in the hearts of the Church today whilst the Father is in heaven.

They are three personalities but one in essence.

Let me call a friend of mine here first cc Barristter07 .

That aside, I have a question on that 1Cor 2:11 , Does the Spirit of God , which am assuming third person of Trinity know the day and hour of the end ?

chrmn1:
What you are requesting is unrealistic. The phrase "ton theon" or "Ho theos" was used in the new testament mostly in reference to Almighty God. That phrase "the God": rarely will you see it used in reference to other gods and so you think that because Ton theon was used in John1:1, the Word is not Almighty God. That's wrong. You people added "a" to the original text. It is not there. There are so many scriptures where theos is used for the Almighty God.

In Acts 28:6 "a god" is used and the word is Theon.

Why add " a" to Act 28:6 ?

Question 2: Can the Almighty have a God ?