₦airaland Forum

Aduke96:
Sorry to disappoint you I don't even have Muslims in my family, not even extended.
Again we are pure Yoruba.
The fallacy that we live in peace as yoruba with Muslims you know it pure lie deep down your head.
Because Christian just ignore many things and let peace reign makes us think all is well.
How about the case of ondo church worshippers?
How about the case of an alfa and his wives who beat up a pastor in oyo?
How about Muslims vers king of ogbomoso?
How about lagos mosque display.
They play oooo.

alphaNomega:
Ike would soon return

Aduke96:
Christian imposter keep quite.
Who stop any muslim from reaching out to his or her alfa for conflict resolution.
All you people are looking in sharia law, that is not in civil law of the country, you will surely get it, and by then it's will be too late.

Your eye go clear.

Fiscus105:
I doubt if you understand Islamic gimmick, they would start with, only Islamic faithfully rhetoric, before you know, it would become, wagging war against both faithfully and non faithfully.

Go and ask Afghanistan and Iranian women about Muslims laws, they re ready share you their ugly experiences.

temitope27:
What I know is that trump would be there for only 4 years, so he should calm down

yesloaded:
Import duty not reduced

Exchange rate still high

Telecommunication tariff hike just got approval

Increase in pump price

Well, impossibility is nothing but chances of deflation is very low

Hemanwel:
A 25-year-old single mother of two OR a 38-year-old unmarried banny.

saphiere:
It's not about providing here. A lot of those mothers can feed the child and even the so called man.

The issue is them being looked down on. No man wants to marry them.

Most of you men are liabilities we all know that.

If you carry out a survey in Nigerian homes, 80% of the homes the wives are the breadwinners.

AntiZikist:
There's already a Supreme Court ruling that has put aside the original High Court ruling that ordered Kanu to be released from DSS custody and returned to Kenya over the rendition carried out by the Nigerian government.

The High Court ruling that ordered Kanu's rendition as illegal is separate from that in which he is standing trial for Treason and terrorism charges.

At no point has any court in Nigeria acquitted and discharged Kanu for his existing treasonable felon and terrorism case.

The Supreme Court overturned the separate high court ruling declaring Kanu's rendition illegal and declared that Kanu should continue to face his criminal case that has been pending for years.

No court in Nigeria has acquitted and discharged Kanu for his criminal case and the Supreme court has since set aside the parallel High Court ruling declaring his rendition illegal.

helinues:
Toh

That their sharing formula can't work.

Monkey can't be working make baboon dey chop

Chegesnd:
Did you actually read the communique very well?

DaddyJapan:
In you read my post again, you will find that I actually referred to a cohort within each larger group.

DaddyJapan:
I am largely in agreement with this view.



You have a point. I think every ethnic group in Nigeria has a cohort of expansionists, irrendentists and ethnocentrists, who subscribe to the notion of exceptionalism. From time to time, the intersection of discrete and disparate events allows this vocal and well-organised minority to seize centre-stage and proclaim to speak for the larger group.


I disagree with the notion that all Nigerian tribes are expansionist. The Fulanis and the Ibos are the only expansionist tribes in Nigeria because they have/had to be for their prosperity or survival. The other adjectives apply to all.

Question: is it fair to taint everyone else with the actions of an unaccountable and often self-serving minority element?

It was a coup led by Majors. At that time, 66% of all Major were from the Eastern region; 22% were from the Western region.
The effort was led by a group of "revolutionary" officers, ethnic group was a secondary consideration in my opinion.
What is more, the likes of Victor Banjo were in full support of the coup.

I believe I already explained the demographic realities meaning any coup would always statistically have been by ibo officers because Yorubas were underrepresented in the army. I did also state that the problem is not those who carried out the coup but the reaction of the ibos to the coup and the fact that the coup failed so their true intentions were never fully crystallized beyond reasonable doubt. I believe I stated clearly that I don’t believe it was an ibo coup but narratives take a life of their own if they are not managed. I gave the example of the perception of Awo and the Yorubas simply because we didn’t withdraw from Nigeria when Ojukwu did. How many ibos are you going to tell that the SW could not possibly secede via a war because we had few men in the army, the federal seat of power and major army formations were in the west so secession via war was impossible.

Lets say my brother kills your brother and I make no attempt to distance myself from (if not apologize for) his actions and I further benefit from his actions. I think it is understandable if you think I supported his actions even if I didn’t? Perception is important in human relations, facts rarely matter! Call it emotional, social or political intelligence. Have the ibos not continued to suffer from the fallout from the coup for the last 60 years? So would they not have been better off if they had done so if indeed they weren’t in support of it? Sometimes you stoop to conquer or apologize not because you did anything wrong but because you value peace




Its execution was poor, particularly in the East and the South - yes.
But there are many independent observers, including some of the participants of the July coup, who testify to Nzeoqwu's unwavering patriotism and put him beyond reproach when it comes to ethnic parochialism.

Part of the reasons I came to the conclusion I did. I should also add, many forget there was also a Midwest region, and a premier. He wasn’t killed! Furthermore maybe Akintola would have been killed irrespective as he was at the center of the crisis but he didn’t help his cause by confronting the soldiers Scarface style all guns blazing with his machine gun. If you were going to stage a coup and identified those to be killed, it’s those at the center of the crisis you would have earmarked for killing and those were Balewa, Bello and Akintola, Okpara was irrelevant



You are absolutely correct to point out Aguiyi Ironsi's seeming duplicity here. Some say he was beholden to the South where the January coup was popular, and I am inclined to go with this view. What is also on record, however, is that not only were all his key advisers at the time Igbo but that he made faulty decisions which could easily be given an ethnic-colouration.

Again this is what happens when you attempt a coup and you fail others get to write your history for you because you don’t get the opportunity to carry out your plans



Why should Igbo people dissociate themselves from a military coup when they were never all consulted in the first place?
What kind of logic is this?

More to the point, does your own initial argument not negate the view that it was an Igbo coup?
You need to hold a line and defend it bro - and damn the consequences.


again, my brother killed your father and now you have no father and you think it is too much for me to apologize for the actions of my brother even if I had nothing to do with it? Do you understand that they killed the 2 most important figures in the North?Do you understand the gravity of that? Do you you understand the North has not had a “leader” since? My view is consistent, that the coup was not an ibo coup but it was supported by the ibos, there is no shifting line that needs defending. I am a yoruba man, they killed Akintola not Awolowo so I can be rational in my analysis because Akintola was a traitor. I also couldn’t care less about FFK’s rantings because his father was a traitor. I am almost certain If Awolowo were the one killed, there would be no rational or logical explanation any one could offer that would be entertained if it is not first accompanied by an apology.


This is conflation of the worst kind; and it detracts from some of the sensible arguments you put forward earlier.
I am no Obidient but I think you are comparing apples and oranges here.

The point is radical change agents often leads to undesirable unintended consequences as such movements are usually driving by idealism or emotion and usually not matched by reality or have unintended consequences but point taken, I knew at the time it was probably best to stay on topic. Revolutions are often birthed by the young naive and inexperienced. Rarely do they live up to expectation if they succeed




Thankfully you have decided to undermine your own argument yet again.
You mean well bro. It is clear you are just as conflicted about the events of that period as are many Nigerians.

Again, my view is consistent, that the coup was not an ibo coup but it was supported by the ibos. Again that my brother killed a man I hate does not mean I planned the murder with him. That my brother and I are from the same house does not mean we think alike! Perhaps if you had taken the whole post it would have been more apparent. I am not a fan of responding to these types of reply formats however it was clear you are not the typical Nairalander and it is refreshing to have an intellectual conversation on Nairaland even if we may disagree on certain items. We are all conflicted, the North because the their leaders were killed, the west because their glorious development was truncated, the east because the fallout has hung over them for 60 years but largely because it solved nothing and the coup failed so we never truly know what would have been




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codemaniacs:
there are no exceptions to any rule.
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2elliot:
Nothing I have writen is out of place. Giving you a little background of myself was to enable you understand me better and my points.
I don't see anyone have vested interest in the history and also the future of Nigeria more that as I do. And that is because my resources are used to run this fraud of a country that is destined for doom only.
If the names I have mentioned whose character I admire do not tickle your fancy, then that tells a lot about you.
Well, I appreciate the fact that we both agreed that the coup was not an Igbo coup. There is no greater truth in this matter than this.

codemaniacs:
you are igbo or one of your parents is igbo because you are too igbocentric to not have igbo blood flowing in you..

there is no difference between coup plotters who happened to be igbos and igbos.

the coup did not fail..

the coup plotters only allowed a senior igbo military officer called ironsi take over..

and ironsi could have released Awolowo in the 6 months he ruled for if the lie that Awolowo was the reason for the coup was true.. because i:gbos have herd mentality just like the obi:dient movement that made them focus on 1 goal.

the goal of the coup was to stop igbos from losing federal jobs the british gave them.

the coup plotters were sectarian and they represent 100% of typical igbos who hate Yorubas passionately and would never ever install Awolowo into power.

the igbos only love igbos there is no way the igbos would have brought Awolowo to power... the Obi:dient movement is proof of that.

Awolowo was a victim of Azikiwe and igbo herd mentality of not accepting defeat in an election and congratulating the winner...

I believe it was 100% an igbo coup from start to finish with the help of some Yoruba traitors..

where is the influence of the east in 2025

read the quote below and have more understanding

2elliot:
...I am on the side of truth, as your kinsman did here. https://punchng.com/akintola-travelled-ambulances-protection-wild-wild-west-crisis-ayo-adebanjo/

2elliot:
I am an Ijaw man from Gbarain clan in Bayelsa state; I am not an Igbo man. I am one of those rare people who look beyond religion, tribe and what have you. Today, I will defend the likes of Dele Farotomi, Nnamdi Kanu, Sunday Igboho, Ibrahim Traore and a few others with my life and everything I have because these men share in my truth and we have a lot in common. Look, I was and remain one of the greatest critics of Goodluck Jonathan, Chief Edwin Clark, Asari, and others from my Ijaw tribe who are incompetent or do not support the truth.
So, when I speak in favour of the Igbos pertaining these events, I speak in line with my nature.
I know what I have seen and passed through for speaking the truth. I come from a place that has oil and its politics is as deep as our national politics.

codemaniacs:
igbos that hate Yorubas with passion will attempt a coup to free Awolowo a Yoruba man... You igbos must think Yorubas are dull and lack sense to be spreading lies...

Awolowo was in Calabar prison... if they wanted to release him they would have done it after the coup during the 6 months they ruled for..

you igbos always lie hiding behind pan-africanism, ironsi abolished regionalism because he wanted access to funds in Western Nigeria while Northern Nigeria funds would have just been bonus because they were never a rich region..

raumdeuter:
Was already shaky is putting it mildly it already failed was to put it correctly

The 1964 election was an Alliance of AG(Awolowo) NCNC(Azikwe) NEPU and UMBC to form the UPGA versus NPC(Balewa and NNDP (Akintola)
to form the NNA
After the election which NNA won, Azikwe and most of the NCNC were effectively out and in opposition. Azikwe initially refused to form a govt but they prevailed on him that there will be a form of Govt of Unity which will pull people from NPC, NNDP and NCNC (which lost)

This meant the power of the NCNC Azikwe party was reduced in favor of the new Akintola party and I guess this was too big to swallow for the coupists

2elliot:
Their stepping in failed. And besides, if you were Ironsi, you would not have been able to do anything meaningful because 6 months was such a short time to understand the complexity of the coup matter. There were no existing coup scenarios in Nigeria that he could have drawn judgement from. Nigeria was such a young country at the time and a fragile one at the time to take out rushed actions.

2elliot:
Please kindly read this with open mind.https://punchng.com/akintola-travelled-ambulances-protection-wild-wild-west-crisis-ayo-adebanjo/

kettykin:
You’re absolutely right. The Igbos had no need for the coup. They held the officer cadre of the military, the Chief of Army Staff, the presidency, and the presidency of the House. Yet, a group of soldiers foolishly intervened in a Western Region crisis—a problem tied to Awolowo and his jailed cronies.

This disastrous meddling should be a brutal lesson for every Igbo: never intervene in battles that aren’t yours, no matter how much blood floods the streets. Let others fight their own wars.

DaddyCoool:
You are the one who does not understand, genius.
Who do you think you're trying to bamboozle?
Get this into your skull:
I'm live right here. Parts of Lagos with the great nightlife being referenced are also the most livable!
Hence your thesis is nonsense