₦airaland Forum

dettolgel:
Let me ask you, let assume your parents are from Osun State and you were born and raised in Abuja metropolis. You know the neighbourhood very well and your life has been shaped around the policies made there over the years from the local government level up to state level.

So you are telling me that suddenly when you are of age to vote, you are told to go down to Osun state and vote for someone whose policies for the past years have no effect on how you have lived your life and won't even affect your life in anyways after the election?

I really don't understand this your logic, please make it make sense

I understand what you are saying. But I am telling you the reality. We are in danger of creating 2 countries in one. Once country of the a handful of cities where the educated live but have no influence in it’s administration and politics because they are not natives and another country of the rural communities controlled by charlatans because there is a lack of presence of enlightened educated people.

At the end of the day, the majority (90+%) of the 109 senators and 360 house of rep members are elected from the rural areas. As an educated person living in the city, these are the people who control your destiny. So when you say the senator represenating a rural village in Osun state has no effect on how you live you are wrong. Most of them are charlatans and they are the majority in the senate and house of rep and they are elected by uneducated villagers because people like us have no presence or influence there.

At the end of the day all of us concentrate our voting powe in Lagos Abuja etc to produce a maximum of 10 senators over whom we have no say in the selection process while the other 99 are produced in our villages by people whose aspirations and expectations are totally different from ours. Even if our 10 senators mean well, they will always be outvoted by the 99. Does that display intelligence on our part? Do you now see the problem?

We can make excuses or we can start to make amends. But we get what we work for. I have made it a personal mission to change my voting PU to my father’s village. If we all did this things would start to change. Going home every election cycle is not a sacrifice for better government plus.

What is the point of our education o my to be governed by charlatans? What is the point of our education if we leave the uneducated to decide our leaders? What is the point in all the educated gathering in the cities to elect 10 senators max and leave the uneducated to elect 99? Does that really show we are educated and understand how democracy works or that we are merely western educated in a particular field who don’t think right? What is the essence of our quest for education if not to identify a problem and solve it?

Nobody is going to hand this good governance to us and we aren’t going to get it by speaking English from Abuja and Lagos, on Arise TV and Twitter!
I’d
Ab Initio we are a minority, we don’t help ourselves by not using our brains. We need to spread our influence like our fathers who worked in the cities but returned to their ancestral homes to vote. 10m educated voters cramming themselves in Lagos only produce 3 senators. Those educated city voters spread around the country could have a greater influence on the types of people who represent us at the national level. Like I said it’s not like your votes in the cities make a difference to state governance. So why not use your vote where it counts.

Nobody said it is easy. But all of us voting in Lagos and Abuja is not intelligent use of our votes and influence and quite honestly betrays our claims to be educated.

I am afraid for my people. People that didnt know how to use their brains when there was no AI are now completely pressing the off button on their brains and relying g on AI!

You people are in trouble!

Wahala dey!

ufotunang:
.. Peter Obi is the best choice... a man that will address the issues and problems Nigerians are facing now

ThI problems Nigeriavare facing now are down to inflation and high cost of living. That inflation and high cost of living is down to 2 things, removal of fuel, forex and electricity subsidies.

Is he going to reinstate fuel and forex subsidies. If not you don’t have a brain!

chidiokay:
Seems Atiku and Obi have presided over a country you once lived because i dont know what they have done that warrant we must tolerate to a evil Tinubu whose is deliberately making life difficult for Nigerians

Buhari said Nigerians will miss, he was so confident to say that cos he knows Tinubu's mission

You don’t know what they have done because you don’t want to know. They have both been in office for 8 years their records are there for those who want to see. Those who do t want to see won’t see!

Sermwell:
Who is the credible person in Nigeria you'll suggest at the moment?

Not Atiku and Not Obi. If you were talking about someone like Soludo, uba Sani, nassarawa state governor, I would listen. Not because they are great or visionary but at least they aren’t mediocre like Atiku and Obi. ElRufai is a performer but he is very divisive.


The problem is most of the credible people we have kare either not involved in politics or are appointees who can’t win an election. The other problem is that governance is not only about having ideas and a plan. You must also know how to manage the politics of governance. An example is how Tinubu managed the politics of tax reforms.

Those against Tinubu will no doubt disagree with me but Tinubu is the best we have had. Does he have baggage yes? But like I tell people I am not marrying into his family, what I need is a president that can do the job.


I am a worshipper of Awo and Tinubu cannot lace his boots but in an environment where the best stay away or are unelectable, IMHO we are lucky to have Tinubu. In fact, my biggest worry are those coming after him even if he is there till 2031. That’s why I am at least happy he has done some irreversible things like the removal of fuel subsidy, currency float and tax reforms. Because there are some capable people but I haven’t seen any politician on the horizon I can describe as visionary! We live in a country where people rate a governor like Zulum……..IMHO he is incompetent.

surgical:
is Tinubu not worst than them was he not given a chance, carry your manipulative self somewhere abeg
Which of these people has questionable heritage, questionable educational background, accused of drug, none, the highest you can say is corruption of which Tinubu best the too of them, some that nearly appropriate half of a state, he even fleece his state heavily through alpha beta
My brother your candidate Tinubu can not stand beside these people when in whatever yardstick you want to use

You can’t accuse Tinubu of corruption and present Atiku or Obi as alternatives. You can’t accuse Tinubu of incompetence and Oresent Atiku or Obi as alternatives. Simple English. When you do so, what you are telling people (perhaps you don’t realize) is that the problem you have with Tinubu isn’t corruption or competence because neither are better than him on both counts.

Are they going to bring back subsidy, bring back forex subsidies, lower electricity tarrif, scrap nelfund, scrap Lagos Calabar express, cancel sokoto badagry express, sell the presidential jet etc etc . The answer is no! So what are they going to do differently? Have they even said they will do anything differently? Have you asked them? Did they do anything when they were in power to suggest they have capacity? So maybe you should come clean and tell the world your real problem with Tinubu.

I am not going to argue with you. Go and do your coalition and we’ll meet at the elections.

mecuries:
Why don't we stop "tolerating"... If someone doesn't do anything strategically meaningful for 4 years, let's boot them out. Let's try this format for a start.

If you don’t want to tolerate, present someone credible. You can’t present Atiku or Obi and expect thinking people not to prefer to tolerate.

This man is not fit to be president!

Nasir ElRufai preparing to ditch Atiku and position himself for VP.

dettolgel:
You vote where you pay taxes so as to keep a tab on how your tax money is being spent.

Would you rather vote on policies that affect the school in your village ( where none of your children attend) or in the city wbere you live and where they attend schools? Same for healthcare and roads and other public amenities within the control of the state?

I don't know of any progressive country where tax payers go elsewhere to vote rather than their city of residence and tax codes.

That’s the theory but it doesn’t work in practice in Nigeria. You have no say over how your tax money is spent in Lagos or Abuja. That’s the reality. Meanwhile the villagers who are in the village for whom their elected officials are there kinsmen get what they want. In the Lagos where you pay taxes the locals get what they want, that’s why the bus drivers are untouchable. That’s why local street sweepers brought down a governor like Ambode who was trying to make modern waste collection reforms. The educated non indigenous tax payers do any voice or influence to counter the uneducated locals. The problem in the rural communities is that poor people want basic things. That’s why you see all these “gifts” of sewing machines, grinders, fertilizers, boreholes etc going on in our states and the councilors and governors pocket the rest of the money. People like us who know better are not there to demand more. Yet in the cities where we pay taxes your needs are ignored. Only the real locals of Lagos and Abuja have access to the powers that be.

I put it to you that if you live in Abuja or Lagos and are a non indigene , you don’t know any state elected official AT ANY LEVEL. So despite paying taxes how do they listen to your needs? And how does your vote matter when they are the ones who select the candidates amongst themselves?

Sit down for a few minutes and think about it. What tab are you keeping in Lagos or Abuja?

We have swallowed too much western cool aid. Our western education has really messed us up. Politically, the uneducated are smarter than us. They get what they want, It’s just that their needs and demands are basic and rudimentary.

The irony of the So called educated Nigerian is that he has no electoral value. To start with he is a minority segment of the population. He lives in a city where he has no influence and his town or village of origin where he would otherwise be a leading figure with influence, he has abandoned for area boys and charlatans. As such he has no political influence or electoral value in the political landscape of Nigeria. So he goes on AriseTv and Twitter and starts to speak English or making noise online or conducting meaningless online polls.

If you point out where he has gotten it wrong he starts to tell you about foreign or progressive countries. These countries you point to and copy are not structural constituted like we are. In terms of education, tribal structure, enlightenment and exposure of the populace.
Again there is a difference between education that prepares you to regurgitate learned subjects in exams and one that encourages you to think.

A degree does not mean you are intelligent, it means you were able to remmember things in a particular subject area for a period of 1hr during an exam. Nigeria is sadly evidence of that. I have met a lot of very unintelligent PHD holders but knowledgeable in their fields. Once they start to talk outside of their area of expertise you wonder if this person went to school!

At the end of the day all politics is local and influence determines the priorities of any govt not your vote. If you are not an indigene you are shut off from govt you have no access or influence. Government is not for 1 day at the poll every 4 years but which elected official you have access to call or influence during the term of an administration! If you are not a indigene of where you vote, you have to be extremely successful or connected to have any voice in the governance of your community or state. Whereas if you vote in your state and maintain a presence you have influence at some level by default as an educated son of the soil. Simple as ABC!


As a voter where you are right now (I assume you are in Lagos or Abuja) what have you had any influence over? How has your vote mattered? If we move our voting to our towns and villages and establish a presence there. By virtue of our families being known in the community, you automatically will get to know the state assembly member, the house of rep member and possibly the senator for your constituency by default. Furthermore you will be able to influence the locals on how to vote by interacting with them. They will look up to you as someone from a known and prominent family in the community and as someone successful from the “city”. In Lagos or Abuja you are a nobody.

Abandoning the politics of our towns and villagers were we are by default influential if not “kingmakers” to become nobodies without influence in the cities. Forgetting that out of 109 senators not more than 4 come from Lagos and Abuja shows the dumbing effect of western education on our critical thinking abilities.

Elusive001:
Go and rest bros. You know better than Vanguard Newspapers and co?

Even hardcore haters who hate worse than you go dey shame for you.

you people are so aggressive in pushing your false narratives that gullible people, the unschooled and the improperly schooled accept these falsehoods as truths. “One of the 1st” in no time becomes “the 1st”

Nigerian press are not authorities anymore. They are staffed with people whose poor education couldnt get them a proper job. Is it Nigerian media like Arise with Ojy who takes her news from social media without any verification that is now your authority on information?

if you want proper information, go to the Architects registration council or NIA or you can rereference authoritative sources like

"Modern Architecture in Post-Colonial Ghana and Nigeria"

by

Hannah Le Roux

you can also reference this academic paper with references
https://www.globalacademicgroup.com/journals/the%20nigerian%20academic%20forum/Fashuyi%205.pdf
it clearly states "By 1958, the first indigenous Nigerian architectural firm was set up by
Olumuyiwa Oluwole"

I will take the account from published historical records by reputable global bodies and published academic papers than quack Nigerian journalists many of whom can't compose a sentence or know how to verify information! if you have a degree and have submitted a dissertation, for God's sake you should at least be trained in how to verify sources of information!

Racoon:
Ekwueme was a distinguished architect. He went on to create a successful private business with his firm - Ekwueme Associates, Architects and Town Planners, the first indigenous architectural firm in Nigeria. His practice flourished with 16 offices spread all over Nigeria....

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Ekwueme and associates was not the 1st indigenous architectural firm. It was OluMuyiwa oluwole and associates in 1958. Ekwueme graduated in 1957 and established his practice in 1958 but he was not the 1st.

Always trying to rewrite history!

21lucky:
You are talking a lot of nonsense.
Your words show your hatred for igbos.
Say No To Tribalism!!

Oga it is too late for that! Tribalists and bigots. Saying other people should not respond to their bigotry!

We are now all tribalists, bigots, Ronus or whatever names you want to calll us and we dont care.

Next time. Don’t provoke people….especially in their own land! Some genies once out of the bottle can’t be put back in.

21lucky:
You yorubas are avoiding my question.
You people have not yet answer my question.
Lagos state government and yorubas said they are changing Lagos streets with igbo names to yoruba names to preserve their yoruba culture and now my question is if you change streets with igbos names why leave Lagos streets with Hausa and Fulani names or is this not bias or sentimental or are the Hausa and Fulani now part of yoruba culture.


Your fellow yoruba oba was the one claiming publicly that Lagos belongs to the benin people of Edo state that the oba of Benin conquer Lagos and so ask the oba of Lagos that question you are asking me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcBS-VPmYaU&pp=ygUrTm9ydGhlcm5lcnMgYXJlIHNheWluZyBMYWdvcyBpcyBubyBtYW4gbGFuZA%3D%3D

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They are changing the names because you have proved yourselves to be obnoxious visitors. Everywhere you go, you clash with your hosts. You need to be reminded that Lagos is not no man’s land.

Oba of Lagos is Oba of Lagos island not Oba of Lagos state. He is not even Oba of Ikoyi.

Lagos state government did not change the street names, the local governments did. So you claims about Lagos state government are lies. This is how you people report events Such that your stories are always full of lies. That is how everybody without records of his bank account got N20 became every Ibo man got N20.

In any event we owe you no explation. You should be asking yourselves why is it always us? Weather in the North, Lagos, Ghana South Africa etc.

You are reaping the rewards of what you started and we’ve only just begun. Your children’s children will feel it.

The liberal Woke Yorubas across all strata is finally awake. Like one Ibo man told me on this forum, we have not been alive to our responsibilities.

Nonsense!

21lucky:
Lagos state government are busy renaming streets with igbo name or igbo personality.

While they have not bother to rename streets with Hausa or Fulani names.

Is this hypocrisy or something else?

Did you hear Hausas claiming Lagos is no man’s land?

dettolgel:
It doesn't make sense to go and vote in your state rather than where you live.

The government that affects your life directly is the government responsible for the area where you live and pay taxes.

Really? Do you have a say in the candidates in Lagos or Abuja? Do you even know them? If you are voting in your state, you are more likely to know the candidates, you are more likely to influence who is the candidate and your voice is more likely to be heard.

You vote in Lagos, do you even know the name of your local govt chairman? Despite paying taxes in Lagos, if your road is bad who do you call? If it were your local govt back home, he would be someone you know. Someone you have access to. Someone you can make suggestions to. If you vote at home, when you talk even if to your local councilors our voices are aggregated and flow up the chain. In Lagos or Abuja nobody listens to you because the political hierarchy is shut off from non indigines. You just pay tax with no voice! So why not at least have a voice somewhere?

I am not saying move back home. I am saying vote where your vote matters. Where your voice can be heard.

53% of federal revenue goes to the states and LG but nobody is watching over them because we are all in Lagos or Abuja speaking English over 47%. They keep. Telling you that the governors are the most powerful people in Nigeria.

Exactly what I just posted on another thread. A few months ago they were propagating a narrative that the government had paid chairmen of all the parties. One chairman said he wasn’t paid o and they should name who they paid. They went quiet!

Typical opposition propaganda.

The idea is
1: to discredit the govt.
2: to give the impression the opposition is a bigger threat than it is and that the govt is panicking. In the case of the previous allegation it was to divert attention from the failures in management of the opposition parties.

Typical propaganda! They are the same people that were putting out a false narrative that the government have a huge sum to all political parties.

When the chairman of a party said he didn’t receive anything and challenged them to name who got money and who gave them, they went quiet!

This is typical opposition propaganda. I am not saying deals like this don’t happen but in this instance I 100% believe no such thing happened :

Bsssss:
Good move by Deputy Speaker Kalu! Listening to the people and taking feedback seriously on the Indigeneship Bill shows real leadership. Let's hope this leads to a more inclusive and practical approach for all Nigerians. #NationalUnity"

Please don’t praise him for withdrawing the bill. He withdrew it because he realized it wouldn’t pass. The man fraudulently included Faleke and a lady from Rivers as co sponsors to give the impression it had widespread appeal!

The intent is still there and we must be vigilant to protect our ancestral lands from the land grabbers!

MenInsight:
Yes o. This ones here are all in Anambra. Ibadan is in Anambra... We shall see.

Everybody knows in Nigeria the Catholic church is almost exclusively Ibo. When he decided to donate on the SW he chose an institution that is predominantly beneficial to Ibos.

Dcaliphate:
Still doesn't discredit what they are saying. Our leaders and mindless and corrupt and that's why the poverty and hunger here can't be compared to what u get in the US.

I never said it does. I said it’s none of their business. Why is it that a typical discussion with so called NIgerians goes like this.

Statement: you turn right when you get Shagamu to get to Benin.
Typical Nigerian response: Benin people (or shagamu people) are bad people!

What is wrong with you?

Breaking news! The expansionist land grabber Benjamin Kalu has withdrawn the bill!

Remember his name in case he ever decides to run for VP or president in future and vote for the person running against him in whatever party!

Nonsense somebody!

[quote author=chiagozien post=136275836]The bill was first introduced in Nigeria by Osibanjo a Yoruba vice president.





Video 👇

Yariba ronu are pathological liars & very deceitful people Always projecting theirs evil intentions on others

Indigenization bill was first proposed by VP Yemi Osibanjo— a Yariba ronu
But this yariba mofo is lying as usual by attributing this to Ohanaeze!pic.twitter.com/Wtm48NibJ4 pic.twitter.com/1ryNoj50It

— Levi 👀 (@Livy009) July 28, 2025

of all certificate of residence is different from indigine status.

That said that’s why Osinbajo was never fit to be president. He is a typical western educated English speaking Nigerian who thinks he is a white man.

The bill that should be introduced is a bill that mandates people to vote in their state of origin.

The reason why we produce so many bad leaders is because the educated have fled the villages and ancestral lands. The Educated southerners live in Lagos or PH and the educated Northerners are gathered in Abuja.

As a result we are far removed from our states of origin and have no say in who becomes the senators, rep assembly members and governors. Out no of 109 senators we have influence only over 5. The senator for Abuja 3 for Lagos and PH city. Even the. It is not real influence because we only vote after they have selected.


Also voting at our states of origins will force us to periodically go home, causing everyone to develop more interest in rural areas and more importantly having more influence on the elected officials we send to represent us at the state and national levels.

You can’t sit down in Lagos and Abuja and complain that quacks become elected officials in our states. All politics is local. If the educated and enlightened are not present the vacuum will be filled by quacks!

Absence of the educated from their towns or villages or states of origin is why the vacuum is filled by charlatans.

Plus there is no point in voting in a state where the locals have shut you out of the candidate selection process.

If Nigerians are truly serious about developing the country and states. The educated minority should take more interest in the bdevelopments in and participate in voting in their states or else there will only be Abuja and Lagos with any meaningful development.

All these English speaking on Arise and meaningless polls on Twitter are meaningless if we sit in Lagos and Abuja while the charlatans hijack the villagers in our states.

kettykin:
The 60s are just getting a careless and a crucial repeat, what is pending now is a controversial census and the final tipping point of 2027 Election.

My prayer is that igbos will not be in the menu in Nigeria's butchering table this time around.

Bookmark this post , the numerous killing of innocent blood. Humans, etc, will reach a crescendo before evolving into a human catastrophic tsunami soon .
The generations that fought and endured the uncivil war are passing away and gradually being replaced with a short sighted and careless generations that will repeat a bigger mistake.
Nigeria might end up like Sudan. The war between Russia and Ukraine might end up being fought in Nigeria. Let them keep stoking the flames.

Igbos who are investing all their lives savings in Lagos and Abuja should get their hankerchief ready . Move a part of your investment to Dubai, London, Canada, south Africa, Paris etc. Is this too much to ask for,sometimes I weep for my fellow igbos, their stubbornness defies logic. With all the security flags everywhere, they are still investing deep into Abuja and Lagos rather than Dubai and other safenet. I am taking about the billionaires here not investment below N10b

They say sometimes you learn more from what is unsaid than what is said.

I am in agreement with your post. What’s stops me from total agreement is the part unsaid. You mentioned all the places Ibos should invest, which is fine. You did not mention investing in the SE!

adamkkk:
address the message not the sender.

It is not a new message. You don’t need the Americans for you to know you have a problem with govt spending. If it is when they talk that you suddenly eTo talk or do something about it then you are not doing it because of love of your country but instead out of subservience to the west. In short you lack self esteem.

It means if they didn’t or don’t say anything you wouldn’t do anything. It’s not like you will do anything anyway.

So what exactly is the point of a message from an outsider that we already knew but did, and will do nothing g about?

You are only paying lip service and it is only an issue because as a Nigerian of low self esteem you jump only when your imperial masters demand

If you really cared you don’t need Americans to tell you what the problem of your country is or to do something about it.


I don’t have time for your sort!

Blocked!

ogwuche4u:
Omo... you need mental reevaluation. Where is the lie in their post? You wey never see food chop dey shout chocohocho.

You need an education. R[quote][/quote]ere did I say they lied? I said it is none of their business and they should mind their business. They are not telling us anything we don’t know!

You are now Blocked! I am tired of people who don’t understand English!

JetApartment:
Topics like this is where you can easily identify nairaland residential zombies just by reading their offtopic comments...they will not respond to the truthful message but attack the messenger...

Topics like this is where you identify people still suffering from colonial mentality, people of low self esteem.

ejieddy:
So is it a lie? Whether the West has moral credibility or not... Many governors are spending billions on government lodges when there are no schools or clinics. Before you accuse the West because of your tribal sentiments, answer the question if they are right or not.

Is it that you just found out that our politicians were spending huge sums on govt houses. Is it news? So it is only when the Americans said so that you suddenly realized we spend huge sums on govt houses? You’ve not been following the news for years? Again I ask How is it their business? Everybody knows Nigerian politicians are corrupt from Atiku to Obi to Tinubu, Did I say they are not all corrupt? I said they should mind their business! Do you have a problem with English? The point is unlike you I don’t join outsiders to condemn my own. If I have a problem in my house I address it in house and tell outsiders where to go! If I can’t address a family problem in house then so be it but I don’t carry family business to outsiders, it s a sign of poor home training. But then it’s part of your culture it seems, you people seem badly raised! It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess your tribe.

I am sure you don’t know that until last year there used to be a US law that criminalized American companies that offered or paid bribes to officials of foreign countries to get contracts etc. did you know they have repealed the law? It is now official US policy that an American company can bribe a Nigerian public official without consequences! Yet they want to lecture us on corruption?

You have low Low self esteem. You are the reason they keep taking us for a ride. Now they want to flood our food supply with GM crops and as usual it is mentally enslaved, inferiority complex ridden, western lackeys excited to be associated with Bill Gates not knowing or not caring that he is setting us up for food slavery that will sell out their own to please their masters. It is people like you that will side with Facebook and twitter for milking us and not paying taxes!

Slavery has ended, colonization has ended, have some self respect!
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They should mind their own business, last time I was in America, the place was such a mess, homeless people everywhere sleeping in tents, drug addicts everywhere. Their nfrastructure is outdated and falling apart yet they spend trillions on wars all over the place and have the audacity to criticize us. Is that not hypocrisy? There is a whole world outside America, go to China or Dubai and I promise you will realize that America is a 3rd world country in comparison.

Many of you lack English comprehension, the point is the affairs of Nigeria is none of their business. If they cannot mind their business while they are here they should pack their embassy staff and leave. Nobody is begg8ng them to be here.

America is a dead country! I went to grade 5 and 6 there as a kid, I have since visited multiple times, I know what it was like and Each time I see a country in progressive decay. America is not a country I want to go to for any reason! It used to be a great country, it no longer is on all fronts. It is a country living on past glories!

It is only people with low self esteem or people who never saw the world or had the opportunity to travel outside Nigeria that still glorify and worship, listen or pay any attention to America.

Have some self respect or no one will acccord you any!

abiodunbright:
Listen to the message and leave the messenger...Deny if there was any lie in the message or bury your tinupoo face in the mud.

I don’t need the meddlesome messenger to deliver a message I already know…neither do you? It’s your low self esteem disturbing you.

ruggedtimi:
This your statement is the reason why nigeria is stagnant

So now that your daddy America has told you what you already know, what then? You didn’t know before? Did you do anything? Now that your outside daddy has told you what you know are you going to do anything?

Yeye people all of you!