₦airaland Forum

carzeem1:
Peter Odili, Donald Duke, Bafarawa, Shekarau, Babangida Aliyu,kwankwaso, Chuba Okadigbo etc were all pdp topshot and not ex-force.

Akinpresident:
I don't agree.
You made it look like APC are very much better.

By the way, how many founding fathers of PDP were military people?
Their ratio against civilians is not much. Otherwise, what they'd have done would have been to get anyone they don't want out and replace them with another person, not ceding power to another party.

And since then, what have the so called military founders done?

PDP is prolly on an irredeemable self destruction journey, but they're far better than any other party in Nigeria right now.

Akinpresident:
💯 Fact

They've never recovered from that single act

tunjijones:
So how does this describe fubara. What domin is fubara a knowledge expert pls?

That fubara you are seeing, does he look like a smart person?

tunjijones:
Technocrats are individuals with technical training and occupations who perceive many important societal problems as being solvable with the applied use of technology and related applications..

Does the above describe fubara in any way?

tunjijones:
Fubara a technocrat? Are you kidney me?

Please do you even know the meaning of technocrat?

tunjijones:
Fubara is not wise at all.

When you knew you can win a battle why start it all all?

Why do you even start a battle with your benefactor?

Though I am not a fan of wike, I no like that man at all, but you fubara, do you think you wld have become the governor of rivers state without the sole help of wicked wike? So why will you bite a finger that fed you.

You are now crawling on all fours begging and crying up and down. Shame on you.

cjudy:
Duru chasing clout. They’re just distracting Nigerians because they have nothing to offer.

Seun please work on the block. I don’t want to be seeing quote of people I block and secondly let the block be permanent and not just one week please.

Nairaland need to be sanitize because I’m now enjoying this forum without viewing the quote of Zone Bs

CreativeOrbit:
Oh, look—another self-appointed intellectual confusing loud opinions for facts. You throw around 'modicum of intelligence' like you own one, yet you can’t back a single claim.

Senator Natasha’s track record threatens the same corrupt system you probably benefit from, and that’s why her truth scares you.

As for Sandra, she’s amplifying a cause you clearly don’t have the depth to understand. 'E don do?' No, what needs to stop is clowns like you pretending to be gatekeepers of truth. Sit down and let those with actual integrity lead

naptu2:
Dr El Mo Psyd @Deelmoatiku



https://x.com/Drelmoatiku/status/1921219377694720247?t=3N9oscvWP0QWLoUa7Gc6zQ&s=19[/quote]ElRufai looking at Obi thinking to himself. How did I a 1st class intellect, end up in the same space with this D1mw1t! Are you saying this is now my level? I messed up big time!

The problem with technocrat appointees is they get into power on the backs of politicians and start to believe their hype and start to think they know politics.

Examples abound. Obaseki, Osinbajo, Fubara, ElRufai.

Agbegbaorogboye:
I'll refrain from being rough with you for now cause I believe you're probably misguided by sentiments and bias

You still show that you've not raised your intellect beyond that of an average APC hallelujah boy when you pin the dysfunctional state of PDP on Atiku. Pray tell. Was it Atiku who formed G-5 or is he the one who has been actively supporting this govt and ensuring that PDP does not have the tranquility to mount an effective opposition? The big elephant for PDP's paralysis is Wike. You ignored him because he's on your side. That's what political bell boys do. You should rise above that if you want to be taken seriously.

Next is your claim Tinubu has the entire SW votes up for grabs. I can assure you that Tinubu has never produced just 60% of SW votes for any politician he openly supported, neither could he get that figure for himself so how did you arrive at your wild claim that Tinubu has SW votes on lock down?

Besides it's infantile political reasoning to position SW as traditional kingmakers. The only region that's always voted for winners since 1999 is NC. All other regions have been on the losing side at one time or the other.

It's good to see that you couldn't counter my point with any genuine one of yours other than to blame Atiku. That means you agree that defections from PDP AND LP to APC are happening because both parties have become disorganised. Is Atiku also responsible for defections from LP?

Your question about APGA further butresses my point. Why is APGA not having same issues like the two front line opposition? It's simply because they are not viable. They already endorsed Tinubu even before his own party accepts him as their candidate. Obviously, it's another survival attempt.

And if you do not know that Atiku's grouse with Bala Mohammed was his insistence on running for the presidency in 2023 when other northern politicians agreed to step down for Atiku, then I guess you don't really know anything about politics other than dancing skelewu to Tinubu's beats. Just another hallelujah boy forming sabi

fergie001:
You are not observant then.....
I was the first person that opposed Obi's defection in May 2022.
I also backed Soludo's letter then....

I was called names, so I left them. I didn't vote because I knew the contenders and voting Obi will only be to favour one side. That he won't win needed not a soothsayer and I am still saying it again but I will still get more abuse, I am used to it.

Agbegbaorogboye:
Nothing in your quote is about defection

You were postulating about 2027/31 presidentials and not defection. They are not related and exclusive
The senators and govs defecting are not doing so to position themselves for 2027 or 2031 presidency. They are doing so to cement their hold on their seats.
None of the major players for presidency in 2023 have defected to APC. Not even Wike or Bala Muhammad. None of the govs whose terms will expire by 2027 have defected either. It's a rub my back I rub yours game being played by sentient politicians and has nothing to do with posture for 2027 or 2031 presidency. Always learn to situate and understand issues.

Agbegbaorogboye:
A lot of you make me laugh with this infantile reasoning
You think it's about Atiku or Obi?
Senators are defecting because they know there's no consequence for their defecting and it will make their reelection easier regardless of whatever local conditions prevail in their constituencies
It's about political survival lad and not any individual preference. A lot of you used to think Tinubu will swallow Bode George if he ever gets power. He got power and instead sent emissaries to pacify George.
When politicians converge across party lines, the people tend to matter less as the system that's supposed to work for them becomes rigged against them.

casualobserver:
People need to be a bit more discerning.

ElRufai wanted to be a minister. Therefore he is clearly still politically ambitious. For someone who has been a governor and a minister what else is there to aim for but the presidency or possibly the VP as a stepping a stone. Park that for now.

Northern ambitious politicians especially some governors want to be president. An opening is coming up for the North either in 2027 or 2031. If you as an ambitious northern politician don’t seize that opportunity, that’s your chance of being the president gone. A Northern president in 2027 cannot hand over to another northerner in 2031 or 2035 especially after denying the South its 2 terms.

The idea that ElRufai, Atiku, Kwankwanso, Bala Mohammed or the likes of Sule Lamido or Tambuwal will work for each other to make one the president in 2027 is to me a fallacy! And to me this is where the alliance unravels. Atiku will run, constitutionally he can’t be a VP again meaning any northern heavy weight supporting him is basically kissing goodbye to any presidential ambition.

My prediction: they will fail to form an alliance or will engage in anti-alliance activities and split the votes again. Be under no illusion, there are ambitious Northern opposition heavyweights who want to be president and would rather wait for 2031 by which time 1) Atiku their main threat would be too old to run thus giving them a smoother path and 2) they would be able to count on undiluted southern votes. Nobody is doing this out of the interests of the people. Where you stand is based on how the permutations serve you politically. It is politically suicidal for any ambitious northern heavy weight to back any northern candidate other than himself. For the same reason the likes of Fayemi, Osinbajo, Tunde Bakare etc contested against Tinubu….they knew it is then or never. After Tinubu the SW will not be president for 40 years….a generation!

For an ambitious northern politician, he knows it is better to back a southern candidate in 2027. Furthermore, he also knows backing Tinububserves his interests better because he can’t contest again in 2031. If he backs a fresh southern candidate like Amaechi or Obi, they could break any agreement to serve one term like Jonathan at which point they would also have the power of incumbency. If Atiku wins he can’t handover to another Northerner so It does not serve the interest of ANY northern governor whether PDP or APC to back another Northerner in 2027 other than himself.

I say this not because I support Tinubu. For me the logical, smart move for an ambitious Northern governor or politician is to back, be seen to back and deliver for Tinubu in 2027. A Sule lamido, Tambuwal, Kwakwanso, Bala Mohammed, even Saraki have nothing to gain politically by backing Atiku or aligning with ElRufai if they nurse ambitions to be president themselves. With Atiku out of the picture in 2031, the SW vote and Tinubu’s backing will play a big role if not determine which Northerner becomes president in 2031.

Politicians make deals all the time, In 2011 despite ACN having a presidential candidate Tinubu made a deal with Jonathan and delivered SW votes. In 2023, Wike and Makinde made a deal with Tinubu. Again I repeat your relevance in politics is predicated on your ability to deliver votes. ElRufai has no votes backing him. The only Northerners I can see as part of any coalition especially are those who are either political lightweights or have no presidential ambition. When the time comes those who have votes and have ambitions will make the right deals for them. Leave ElRufai and his social media content. We know the fate of all social media politicians like Sowore and Fela Durotoye.

So you see, personal ambition will trump any alliance and all that is happening now is just noise.

The difference between this proposed alliance/merger and the Tinubu/Buhari alliance is that the APC merger was a win win for everybody involved in the merger. Tinubu did not want to be president in 2015, so he was happy just to have his party at the center…..win, Buhari became president….win, Amaechi became minister….win, Saraki became senate president….win…..none of the leaders of the blocks that merged were interested in the presidency. The eastern flank represented by Rochas and Ngige were not interested in becoming president. This merger will only produce a win for one and career extinction for the others and that’s why it won’t work. A good deal is a deal where everyone gets what he wants.

fergie001:
Promise of VP is not realistic.....
The SS has run ahead of us. We may try luck but we must be realistic. If VP no gree, make our natural position touch us, SP.

Igirigimercenar:
What kind of offer is tinubu giving to this people?

I mean I have never seen this kind of thing in my whole life

Not like the present administration is performing or even trying to perform, infact it is the worst administration I have seen so far on earth. So what is tinubu offering this people that the rest of us don't know about

Oga Fergie001, what is going on my brother?

IgOga:




Obi struggles to explain complex problems in simple terms and sometimes he just whinges it

Qadaffi2idiamin:
The CV could keep an employer busy for the whole day.

Sowore is just bitter.

PDPdestroyer:
Leave this talk of Obi joining APC. It’s annoying because Obi doesn’t add any value whatsoever to APC, APC benefits more with Obi being in the opposition. Use your head naw

Gunayo:
One party system will not work. Politicians can decamp as they like but the masses will surely pass a message come 2027 election. Nigeria shall be great again.

TRUMPwedsBUHARI:
I'm not sure you read the article.