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delishpot:
Jesus was a Jew so were all his ancestors so owning slaves was allowed then and they did. Just like many African cultures allowed slavery too even the best amongst men owned slaves difference was, they treated them better and with fairness. It did not make slavery right but it helped those few lucky slaves to live in some peace and even regain freedom.
Christianity started after Christ when the Jewish leaders and the politicians started persecuting Christ followers. That was when they tagged them Christians. No, they can not own another man.

luvmijeje:
It's dishonest of you for you to label everyone who supported slave trade in the south as Christians while ignoring the fact that there will be others who are also in same South who are against it.

It's like saying Nigerians are corrupt. It's called fallacy of generalization.

luvmijeje:
This lies from the pit of hell. Why are you lying to make a point. Kindly refer to the article below to educate yourself on the roles Christians plays in the absolution of slave trade

http://www.jubilee-centre.org/the-abolition-of-the-slave-trade-christian-conscience-and-political-action-by-john-coffey/

luvmijeje:
I'm definitely going to open a rebuttal thread on this. Hopefully before Sunday I should be able to do it and I will quote those who love quoting Bible wrongly.

tijjanioyan:
but d new testament welcomes slavery,Eph6:5-9,Col3:22-24,4:1.

GodsMopol:
The law was giving to men with hard hearts.

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Matthew 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

God might not be cool with it, but God had to put some measure in place so when the perfect comes, the imperfect would be put away

1Cor 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

I would say man couldn't attain to perfection, it was a bigger standard, most of those laws were to bring them and or prepare them for the coming and arrival of Jesus. What shall I liken it to, its like a school, you would get to primary 5, but you need to be in primary 1,2,3 and 4.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

I wish am really explaining it as you need the answers

GodsMopol:
Paul is not God I know, Paul was inspired to write as the Holy Ghost have him utterance, okay, lemme just rephrase, The Holy Spirit through Paul, if you are okay with that. Its not Paul writing, but Holy Men spoke as they were moved

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Its not the person that's writing that we regard but the Holy Ghost that moved them to write

GodsMopol:
no more slaves, Paul spoke about not thinking one selves higher than

Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, *not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think*; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

enshy:
He that diggeth a pit shall fall therein!
The wicked shall be caught in his own devices!!
There is no enchantment against Jacob neither divination against Israel saith the Lord of Host!!!

ScienceWatch:
The geologic column was invented by evolutionists to fit an imaginary timescale for the evolution of all life on Earth. The problem is it doesn't exist anywhere in the world except the text books.

If the column really existed, it would nearly 100 miles deep! The deepest fossils we find are about 1 to 1.5 miles deep. One of the deepest holes ever dug was only about 5 miles. So how do they get 100 miles of strata layers?

By assuming evolution has happened and putting the various layers of the sedimentary rock in an evolutionary order. Then they use the geologic column to prove evolution! That's called circular reasoning. Where in you use the assumption of something being true to prove it's true. It's the same as saying "evolution is true because evolution is true". This concept has been falsified (the column showing animals to be extinct) by what is called living fossils.

talk2ibk:
I pity those of you who think there is no God.... Take a second and look at your existence, do you think it's a kind of magic or big bang theory that created this world. You need to think why there are different languages all over the world.

Niflheim:
@obinna58,

Fantastic post!!! It is only a 'super-fool" that will praise a god, after the doctors have finished treating him(or her) in the hospital!!!

Wilgrea7:
Jesus claimed to be the son of God.. the Messiah.. this is what he told his disciples... paul on the other hand being a strong jew, tried to use his knowledge of Judaism to define Christ... the Jews had 3 main sects.... Pharisees, Sadducees and Essenes... the essenes are not mentioned tho... contrary to what people think, the pharisees and the saducees didn't have a unified set of doctrines.. they had conflicting doctrines.. just that they had to team up against Jesus.. that didn't mean they agreed within themselves... they both had varying beliefs like on rituals, etc.. almost like the shia and sunni muslims today.. although they didn't fight or kill each other... my point is, converts from any of those two sects tend to understood Christ on the basis of their previous faith.. since their previous faith is highly connected to their present one... and that's what gave rise to the different beliefs on the divinity of Christ... it also gave rise to varying doctrines in the early church like the nature of the afterlife, grace,faith and works etc.. because these people(converts from the other sects) tended to interpret the words of Jesus based on their knowledge from their previous faith.. that's why even today u can see more than 20 interpretations on some bible verses

Wilgrea7:
his existence and his works are two different things bro.. the Jews labelled him a heretic.. so basically they wouldn't want any of his “glorious works" known.. his existence couldn't be hidden... they tried.. they killed d Christians.. even Paul z a testimony to that.. they didn't want the world to acknowledge who they termed a heretic.. when plans to erase traces of his existence failed, they went on to damage his identity by calling him a bastard son of a prostitute.. although Jews of nowadays know better than that

Wilgrea7:
that's where you're wrong... there were basically 3 beliefs on the divinity of Christ

1.. he wad the God they worshipped (God of the old testament
2. he was the son of the God of the old testament
3.. he was of the same substance as God, definitely divine but not God himself

the early church fathers(before nicea) seemed to have this disagreement.. the council of nicea was what settled this... although some jews who converted(few) believed him to be a normal man or prophet sent by God...

exactly... if they wanted to formulate a story... Jesus would have a cool theme in the story... but they had to tell the story as it was..

Wilgrea7:
yes... i understand you... there is the possibility of Josephus's own being a fake.. i read an article on it few days ago... but it doesn't negate the existence of Jesus... the same history described the emergence of Christianity.. also, the jews hated Jesus... they didn't want anybody that claimed to be God or the son of God in their history.. earlier jews tried painting Jesus as a heretic and son of a prostitute... they didn't want people to recognize him.. that's why you don't see many Jewish historians writing about him... the gospel of Nicodemus(non canonical) confirmed it..

luvmijeje:
Then why did you quote me if you don't have answers to my questions.

akintom:
The conclusion of the primitive men, across different culture in the world, that the cause of phenomena like light of fireflies, thunder, rainbow, dreams etc must be something beyond nature (supernatural - god), can be excused on their perplexity and prevailing ignorance.

But to still come across this thought pattern, among 21st century folks, when access to just any type of information, is Google distance, is not only pathetic, but an evidence of how religious beliefs, can inhibit the rational section of the human brain.

More pathetic is the fact that among these religious folks, who still exist at the level of thinking, that is akin to that of primitive and desert dwelling folks, are folks who hold university certificates in specialized areas of knowledge.

I shall be sharing some of these thought patterns below:

luvmijeje:
Please don't derail this thread. If you have issue you want to raise, kindly open a new thread.

Wilgrea7:
Christianity started out as a sect of Judaism after the death of Christ... so u mean those jews just woke up and started believing in a myth?? i highly doubt that.. the popular claim is that the Jesus figure was created by the council of nicea.. that's wrong.. it was only his divinity that was settled there.

i don't get.. please expatiate a lil bit... on the issue of scholars, it depends on their source of info... the message of Jesus is also a widely accepted subject.. the crucifixion was something that caused waves all through Judaism.. so its difficult to ignore... the essence of baptism wasn't necessarily to cleanse from sin... if it were, then people would be baptized and rebaptized every sunday..

Wilgrea7:
which writers?

Those who argue for the existence of Jesus often cite two external biblical sources: the Jewish historian Josephus who wrote about Jesus at the end of the first century and the Roman historian Tacitus, who wrote about Jesus at the start of the second century. But some scholars say Josephus' passage was tampered with by later Christian authors. And Price says the two historians are not credible on Jesus.

enshy:
Hmmn you are only fit to be my classroom student!
See the limit of your reasoning and logic: so air, dust, water, sun, rain, enviromental factors dont affect machines?
This I learnt in primary school maybe cos I went to a good one!
Cant the fault also be from the use or misuse of the operator or user?
My student, you only put blame on manufacturers when you have followed the instructions in the manual and it failed.
But you are blind, you believe machines are manufactured but you emanated from big bang theory.
Your folly is in Geometric Progression!
God is our own manufacturer and Bible the manual. We diligently search for principles to living and the use of our bodies and life.
But you have neither manufacturer nor manual, you are devoid of hope!
Run to Jesus! He is waiting!
*felixomor i recommend this man needs Jesus, he is devoid of hope*

Wilgrea7:
ancient mythology is full of such figures... yes i agree.. although upon research many (not all) of those claims are proven to be false... so in what way do you think Jesus copied from them? cuz his existence has been proven .. or is it the miracles or resurrection?

Wilgrea7:
Krishna wasn't born of a virgin.. he was either the 7th or 8th child of his parents.. but it was believed that he was born without sexual intercourse

believe me... Jesus existed.. he isn't a myth.. the figure existed... its the divinity that comes into question cuz even some of the early church fathers were confused about the divinity... some of those early church fathers claimed to meet the apostles e.g polycarlp, Ignatius

enshy:
You are indeed wise!
Please equally give credits to mechanics and not manufacturers and dont forget to blame the manufacturer for any fault on the machine.
Every machine has its manual. Stick to the rules if you want machine to be always being a good condition.

luvmijeje:
The premise lies on the above quoted statement. Let's break it down.
Timothy Freke(who incidentally is human) read a text book written by incidentally again by another human being.

Are you still following me? Timothy freke saw a drawing on a third century amulet of an unclad man and he came to a conclusion that Jesus is a myth.. .. hmmm

The following questions arises:

Is the text book truly written in the 3rd century?

If it's, what's the evidence it's truly written in the 3rd century?

Who wrote the textbook?

Have you gone through the textbook at least you've seen the Bible even if you've gone through it?

What's the evidence the drawing predate the crucifixion of Jesus?

Who's Anthony Freke?

What are his other works that he has done apart from making a declarative statement from other people's work?

enshy:
Ask the devils, witches, wizards, demons, ogbanjes how much havoc we have caused in their kingdoms?
We shut them up at will!!