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The Bible is not one verse or one chapter. It is made up of about 66books and not to be read/understood in isolation. The same Bible records believers who were sick and did not receive healing or instant miracle. If God for whatever reason did not answer your prayers, well He is God, not a machine or a genie or yesman or slave. People testify in churches across the world every other week about how God answered them.

Is it not the same Bible that sad that heaven and earth shall pass away but his word won't fail or something along that line?
These my patients held to the word and it failed them.
Like I've said on this thread countless times, I'm yet to see prayers save ONE patient on the hospital bed at the point of death.

Wilgrea7:
you seem more like a deist than an agnostic... although i find your relations with other faiths cool

I try to keep an open mind. You don't have any idea the things I've learnt just by keeping an open mind.

avaa:
I've always considered that path, but what I ask myself is this; would I consider deism if I didn't have a religious background? I think it is better to seek for answers on a clean slate, this is because a preconceived notion or belief that there is a god, albeit an unreligious one, will most likely render our findings concerning the origin of life and the universe subject to bias and subjectivity.

I am atheist, until I am fully and undoubtedly convinced to become otherwise.

My belief in God is hinged on only one factor.
The human body. It is too magnificent to have come about by accident. My religious background may have led me to attribute that to a God, no disputing that. That's the one question I need answers to. I've gotten answers to my other questions.

Wilgrea7:
hello Sir... permit me to ask.... what's your faith/belief?.

I was a Christian growing up, I read the Quran in secondary school. I hung out with Hinduist in my university days, even attending a religious meeting with them.
I believe in God, but not in the religious sense. Let's say I'm more agnostic than atheist or Agnostic Atheist like one of my friends call me.

MZLady39:
Hi CatfishBilly,
I am extremely close to my family member who is a medical doctor (and has been for a long time--40+yrs) & has seen his fair share of suffering and death.....yet he still believes in God.
Having studied the body and how intricately and beautifully made it is, and how each organ has such specific functions, he can't see how there wouldn't be a God that created us.

I for one think the human body is a magnificent piece of art. It's incredible. How it was designed, all the different failsafe mechanisms that prevent disaster from happening, it's incredible. All that couldn't have come about by accident. Your family member got an explanation and is satisfied with it. I'm not satisfied with my own explanation, I want to know more.

MZLady39:
Praying in faith doesn't guarantee that the prayer wil be answered in just the manner that you want.

But the Bible says ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened to you.
It also said that asking with faith as little as a mustard seed, we'll get what we asked for. That was what my patients up there did and they were failed. So is it that God who promised to answer their prayers intentionally didn't answer or he doesn't exist at all?

enshy:
Bro, since it means nothing, does it cost much to type big case? Thats the proper convention regardless of whether anyone believes in Him or not cos I know you dont too.
The insults you hurl at Him dont even move Him, it doesnt even get at Him neither does it make Him lesser than who He is, you hurt your emotions and put yourself in danger of judgment talk less of spelling His name with lower case.

So, just by asking questions, automatically, I don't believe in him? Is asking questions banned in your religion?

enshy:
Thanks..You used the big G. That suits Him. The slightest is important to us..We serve a Perfect God!
I dont understand all that in bullets but the big God.
You are blessed my Friend..I pray you find Him again!

Why are you guys so hung up on this Capital G thing, does spelling the name with a lower case G make god any less of a God?

urheme:
elsewhere

perhaps in your kitchen

here is a confused atheist and an half baked doctor that claimed a christian.....you are just a calamity

after all the death records that you have achieved.....this is finally your conclusion......"works elsewhere"

What have you achieved so far with this thread.....you could not even take a stand.....christian or atheist

May God have mercy on your soul.

If you don't know that you're being ignored, let me make it plain since you're evidently dumb to get the hint. I AM IGNORING YOU. You can quote me from now till tomorrow. I don't know why you're so pained, even God that we're talking about isn't as pained as you.

Folksyharry:
Nigeria will take a significant percent of the total number

We don't keep records in Nigeria, so we'll never know.

Acts 2:38-39New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you, for your children, and for all who are far away, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to him.”
When the Apostles baptized the Jailer and his family, it didn't say it was only the adult members of his family was baptized, it said ALL his family.
Churches now made it worse by introducing baptismal classes as a prerequisite for baptism which is not even in the Bible.
Don't worry amigo, you've been baptized, they are the ones fooling themselves.

Hate religion all you want, the fact is that it has it's Merits and Flaws (Story for another day).
But, we can't deny the fact that those weekly Church services, they are good for our mental health. Church services are psychotherapy sessions with our Psychiatrists.
The uplifting messages, the "It shall be well with you" and "This week is your week of upliftment" are nothing more than tactics to pull people back from the brink of depression and improve their moods, give them that belief that they can achieve something in the coming week, give them that "can do" mindset and attend to their mental health needs, especially in this period of economic downturn.

Just imagine that there are no churches around offering people hope and attending to their mental health needs by providing a support system, we'll definitely see a lot of folks with mental health issues.

It's been medically proven that religion is of immense help to any patient battling depression.

So, even if you're an atheist and you have no good support system, don't say NO to a Sunday service. That's a psychotherapy session for your mental health "free of charge".

babiskinado:
They have economic value. Mosquitoes make malaria, typhoid etc available. Because of this, hospitals are kept running. Deduce the rest for yourself.

Baba, mosquitoes don't transmit Typhoid. I wonder where you got that from.

Zoharariel:
Mosquitoes play a huge role in our ecosystem. The larvae of mosquitoes live in water and provide food for fish & other wildlife, including larger larvae of other species such as dragonflies.

The larvae themselves eat microscopic organic matter in the water, helping to recycle it. Adult mosquitoes make up part of the diet of some insect-eating animals, such as birds, bats, adult dragonflies & spiders.

They also help pollinate some flowers, when they consume nectar.

Couldn't have said it better.

Blogthug:
We see alot of New online Atheist demand for proof of God's existence, but can they even prove their mums existence is not a figment of their imagination? let's put it to the test , note if u can't it means u only believe your mum exists and not Know she does

I have a DNA test result proving that she's my mother. It can be replicated in every lab in the world and it'll still show the same result.
Now, where's your God proof?

phensbassey:
I was in a hospital recently, the patient beside. my bed died of anemia.. pastors came few hours later, prayed, sweating shouting all over the ward. still nothing happened, I actually felt pith for them...

I've come to this conclusion though, Prayers don't work inside a Hospital. They might work elsewhere, but definitely not in a hospital.

blueAgent:
Excellent post Bro. they only discover their is no God when their selfish desire is not met.
but they will never accept that they are Baised.

I've not had any personal misfortune that I'm aware of, on the contrary, everything has been smooth sailing for me. So, I don't know where you got that mindset/view from.

When I posted a thread here about how prayers failed my patients and it was pushed to FP, a colleague who recognised my NL moniker posted the thread on a WhatsApp group of my colleagues of which I am a member and called me out as an atheist. I really feared the worst because, I wasn't yet ready to declare my beliefs (I've only come out to one person and she totally understood me), surprisingly, nothing happened. That piece of information was ignored and people continued talking about whatever it was that they were talking about. Maybe, Nigerians are really open minded, you never know.

Harvard13:
No. Some prayers are answered, some aren't. If you say a prayer over a specific issue, its Godwho determines the reply. If he wants to "rewrite" the case, its now up to him.

My point is, the fact that you prayed doesn't always mean it will always be answered

So, prayer is like rolling a dice and hoping for a double 6? Since it all depends on God's sympathy to your case, not your faith, your righteous life or how bad you want the answer to your prayers?

Harvard13:
People who have read the Bible well know that Christianity doesn't promise no sorrows, no. Sometimes it may be a test of faith by God or a pathway to a greater blessing. Few pple have/can lose as much as Job did. Yet he was Gods beloved

What you're saying in essence is that prayer is useless, especially, considering the fact that whatever misfortune that they are facing then might be divinely ordained?

Harvard13:
Remember that u exhausted ur medical abilities first

So can I say ur medicines and medical abilities weren't worth a damn?? Remember you were the one that she invested her money on and u failed.

How about you quit ur job?? Or pple stop visiting you??

Unlike the Holy Book, I don't promise my patients heaven and earth and then fail them. I tell them how bad their case is, the prognosis, what to expect. In my practice, Medicine has failed a few times (which is expected) and prayers have failed ALL the time despite the promises, so yea, their prayers don't worth a damn.

urheme:
em... Dr, even your drugs cannot keep any body alive.....we will all die....

Drugs definitely can keep someone alive, I've seen it/done it on several occasions.

urheme:
you are a doctor and should know anything that has life must surely die....death is a transformation apart from a contribution to mother nature.

you said the other time that Christ healed the sick and raised the dead........it is painful that your brain did not tell you that they did not live forever......they died...the whole Bible characters died.

Dr say after me ..." i'm not afraid of death".

You are healed from the fear of death in Jesus name. Amen.

I never said that I'm afraid if death, I just said that I hate it when I lose a patient. And this thread was about the final throw of the dice which my patients did and how it failed them despite all the promises in the Holy Book telling them that that last throw of the dice won't fail them.

iSpirit1:
Lemme bring this Forth. . .Faith means to trust wholly without an atom of doubt or wavering from what God has done.

A little doubt, and that's NO longer faith.

Faith, fear and doubt are inward things. There4 no one else can know it except the man himself.

You can't account for another man whether he had faith or NOT. Why? Because you never can tell whether he had a little doubt.

You may say, all his actions shows that he believed. Yes! Matthew 12:34. Unless something is abundant in the heart, it can't result into action.

If doubt is in his heart in little proportion, tho' it won't manifest in his action. But that doubt has made his faith irrelevant. Meaning, he didn't even have Faith.

Mark 11:23 tells us about Faith. It says, "if you have Faith without a doubt, whatsoever you say shall be so done"

If what you said wasn't done as you said it, then, you didn't have Faith.

Mark 11:23 makes it very clear that Faith can't Fail. So, if you have problem with getting results, perhaps, you need to check what you called faith again. Whether a little fear or doubt was mingled with it.

Baba, I've seen faith, so someone at the point of death that we were telling to recommence their medications and they refuse citing that their faith has cured them, that one is not faith? Or declaring every 5 minutes "I shall not die but live and declare the works of the Lord", that one is not faith? I give up

iSpirit1:
Talking about Failed Prayers, the reason is simple; they are not done in Faith. The Bible tells us that prayers done in Faith CAN NOT fail. Mark 9:23. Faith makes impossibilities possible.

So, the HIV patients discarding their drugs and praying aren't doing it in faith, Pray, tell which show of faith is greater than discarding the antiretroviral drugs?

urheme:
You don't believe God Exist and you join the Op in criticizing what does not exist...."God Did...God Did Not Do"......How does it affect you .........you know how to shut people up......ole thread, gerrrat outofhere!!!!!!!

Nowhere in this thread did I say that God doesn't exist or criticized him. Someone asked me point blank on this thread if I am an atheist, you can go and check out my answer. I just said prayers don't work evidenced by how it has failed ALL my patients at the point of death.
It's the Nigerian way of arguments tho. If you don't have anything to say, then attack your opponent.

felixomor:
Tell Him.
CatfishBilly, please hope u read this.

Get wise.

You've cleared my doubt, you're not a medic. Impersonating a medic is punishable under the Penal code of Nigeria, Prison term inclusive.

urheme:
Dr, you post as if death is a very horrible thing..... i am not expecting this from a doctor at all........this is the environment where you work and death should not be an unusual or strange thing to you........you have practically breach the ethics of your profession if you don,t know.....a doctor like you should be sanctioned if not that you are unknown.

Please, show me what rule I broke in the medical ethics handbook and I'll personally go and submit myself to mdcn for sanctions.
Death is a horrible thing. I don't know how you view it, but I consider it a failure if my patient dies, some people are just passionate about human lives and I happen to be one of them, so, yea, death is bleeping horrible

urheme:
Dr, those dead people you talked about are better off than you.....this is what scripture says.....and better still is the one unborn.

It's thinking like this that breeds suicide bombers, really.
If we are better of dead, why did God bother raising people from the dead or healing the sick?

urheme:
Every profession has its challenge......there is a duty of secrecy that we owned our clients...dead or alive.......i listen and i hear a lot in my own profession.......i separate it from religion.......the encounter i have with my clients will never be a subject for discussion any where.

This secrecy that you keep on going on and on about, Did I mention any names? Did I give locations? Did I mention what year? If you don't know anything about patient privacy, ask me, I'll be glad to explain.

cooncudee:
complain of headache/fever and my mum will go buy antiboitics and Lumartem for you. I have packets of these drugs in my room untouched. and she won't listen o. she would tell u thaz what they would give u in d hospital. these old peoples, they would never listen. nothing you can tell them. they wld tell you i'm your mother, u are not wiser than me

I feel you. It's the society we are in. You've not treated malaria till you add an antibiotic.

Next case
We had to manage a woman with hemorrhagic stroke (A blood vessel ruptured in her brain which just kept on bleeding). Nigeria has a very poor record when it comes to managing patients with this kind of stroke. I lost my aunt to a hemorrhagic stroke.
She was in a coma and different cadres of Pastors and Evangelists and brethren all came in to pray for her, it was like a revolving door. As one group was leaving, another group was taking their place. It happened like that till she died. In spite of all the prayers by the different men of God.

The mods finally unbanned this thread.
@Dominique, Sissy3 and Seun, let's educate the public.

I think choice 1 is the healthy choice

hahn:
Keep reading and you will understand eventually

Just explain it already, no need to be condescending.

Fiverrgig:
What's a deist?

Someone who believes there's a God but he doesn't give a Bleep about us and doesn't interfere in our lives and existence.