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^ I agree. cameroon is much safer than the east.

^ yea I actually understand that. igbos like to do petty trade esp among strangers.
heck anybody who wants to go into business will realize that it is more profitable to sell to strangers than to sell to family members.

but you must realize that it comes with consequences living permanently in a foreign area like that. and be ready to accept those consequences rather than always trying to paint others as villians or monsters and yourselves as innocent victims.
because in reality it all boils down to greed and its consequences.

Adejoro74: Like your folks trouping from SW, with all its milk and honey, to London to beg for social safety net and deprive citizens of their dues. What does Lagos govt offer those Igbos? Nothing. Instead they take from them and close their bizs at will. Also I guess yorubas do not live in the North and East and SS. You are an ugly baboon, like Obj/Tinubu/Fasola.

well of course London is more developed than any part of Nigeria or Africa for that matter so I can understand people leaving Africa for London. not because africa is more "competitive" but for the HONEST fact that africa is less developed, less safe and has less opportunities available than europe.
but for you to be fleeing iboland for places like Kano, Maiduguri, Lagos, Ibadan, Cameroon, Gabon (just learned that 166 ibos lost their lives on a boat while fleeing onitsha enroute to gabon), then something must be pathologically wrong with iboland.
soon we will hear that ibos are fleeing to somalia

^ lol rotfl

let me go and check the statistics of how many Americans are fleeing their country due to "hot competition"
if things are good for you, it is others that will be flocking to you. not vice versa.

and let's just assume there is so called hot competition in iboland. for people to prefer to live in boko haram areas than live in the east should say something about the state of that region. it means, folks will rather die in the north than move back to the east!
orishirishi

saintneo: ΔΔΔΔ
So what is your solution?

Igbos like to compare themselves to Jews for the mistreatment they face. But one thing they fail to omit is that jews were famous for living all across Europe among other people and segregating themselves within those host communities which then made them a target. they had their own special religion and rules and failed to follow the rules of their host communities. this built up hatred against them.
it's either you integrate within the community you live in (ie if the northerners are very islamic then you have to live by their rules since you are living amongst them). either that or don't live in the north at all! otherwise, all you will do is make yourself a target. esp when your population starts to get high that those people see you as a threat to their established traditions and culture.

look at other tribes in nigeria, how many of them have high population outside of their region? maybe try to keep your migrant population within a similar limit. that way, your problems will not be greater than any other tribe in Nigeria (as you like to say).
Even the most developed countries that tout human rights like USA etc also are hostile to foreigners (or even citizens) who do not assimilate/integrate well.
this is very natural human nature. The reason things are different in SW is because we are a mix of muslims and christians/ modern and traditional and so we accept northerners relatively well and also accept easterners well. but the tension between north and east is greater.

I'm glad they are not fleeing to Lagos. we are overcrowded as it is.
but for real though, what is so wrong with the SE region that they don't want to move back there?

Igbos living in North flee to Cameroon for safety from Boko Haram violence
February 9, 2012 ·
FOTOKOL (AFP) – Nigerians have fled in droves to neighbouring Cameroon to escape violence claimed by the Islamist Boko Haram group and revenge attacks by Christians.
“Everybody is insecure in Nigeria. The fear is all-pervading,” said a Christian priest, speaking on condition of anonymity, in Fotokol, a Cameroonian border town where dozens have taken shelter in the last few weeks.
It is located about 100 kilometres (60 miles) from the Nigerian city of Maiduguri, the bastion of the shadowy Boko Haram sect which has been blamed for a slew of terror attacks that have sowed panic in Africa’s most populous nation.
Boko Haram has claimed to be fighting for an Islamic state in the north, but its demands have varied.
“Many Nigerians like myself have fled their villages in the south. We feel secure in Cameroon,” the priest said in Fotokol.
“That is why I am sheltered here,” he added.
He has rented a house which is about 10 minutes by motorcycle to the nearest town in Nigeria, Gamboru Ngala, where he heads the local Catholic church.
It is difficult to gauge the exact number of Nigerians who have fled to Cameroon as they cross the border illegally, but there are easily dozens sheltered here since the attacks and tit-for-tat ripostes by Christians.
Mahamat Tujani, a Muslim trader from Maiduguri, fled to Kousseri near Fotokol.
“I abandoned my business and my family to seek refuge at the home of my cousin,” a Cameroonian, he said. “I escaped out of fear.”
He hoped to return home soon, he said, “but if the killings continue, I will bring over my family members here.”
Boko Haram has been blamed for scores of bomb attacks in Nigeria’s Muslim-dominated north. It claimed responsibility for January 20 coordinated bombings and shootings in Nigeria’s second-largest city of Kano that left at least 185 people dead — Boko Haram’s deadliest attack yet.
The August suicide bombing of UN headquarters in the capital Abuja which killed at least 25 people was also attributed to the group.
“When you scent danger, you must escape,” the priest said.
“Even in the Gospel, the Lord says the moment you sense danger, you must escape. If you don’t it’s suicide,” he said.
The priest said two Christians from the mainly Christian Igbo ethnic group were killed in Mobi in Adamawa state about three weeks ago.
“When the other Igbos went to reclaim their bodies the Boko Haram struck and killed 29 others,” he said.
Sectarian violence has been rising since elections in July last year. He urged both Christians and Muslims to “return to God.”
The priest said Muslims were also targeted by Boko Haram. Between January 28 and 30, three people — including a Muslim — were killed in Gamboru Ngala, Nigerian and Cameroonian police and medical sources said.
The priest was following an Africa Cup of Nations match on television at a bar, along with six other compatriots. In another room, eight other Nigerians sat, drinking
http://naija247news..com/2012/02/igbos-living-in-north-flee-to-cameroon.html

igbo country will not solve your problem and will only make it worse.
the problem you guys have right now is the fact that you have a large population outside iboland which makes you a target.
as long as your people continue to live in large numbers outside your region, the situation will stay the same.

and if igboland becomes a country, these folks will become illegal immigrants and therefore violence against them will be even more unchecked.
how can you call for ibo country when you can't even convince your people to settle in their region.

what you should do is look at other tribes, see the level of population they have outside their region and keep your own migrant population within that range. then come back and see if your problem doesn't disappear. very simple solution.

Negro_Ntns: Leader of the Movement for the Actualisation of the Sovereign State of Biafra, Chief Ralph Uwazuruike, on Tuesday said there would be no reprisal on northerners in the South-East following Monday's bus bombing in Kano where more than 30 people were reportedly killed.Calling for calm, Uwazurike said, "We are not known for bloodletting and Ndigbo cannot be cowed into shedding blood"

ROTFLMAO. why don't they try it and see what will happen. Ibo people cannot retaliate because they know that they will not win. There are only few hausas in South East compared to the flood of ibos in the north. retaliation is illogical and will only lead to intense counter-retaliation in the north and they know it!!

spare me the "we are not known for bloodletting" crap. For once ibos are using their brains and taking logic into consideration

next step following logic will be for them to actually LEAVE the north.
but I hope the refugees don't come to Lagos sha. lol because i know for a certain that none of them will go back to Iboland. no matter how loud they shout and talk about biafra. mtcheww

One_Naira: I'm having a severe diarrhea of the mouth

fixed.

This combo is not the best but it is passable. I'll take it.
I really love the APC logo with the sweeping broom. Hope we experience operation sweep in 2015 !!

Fashola should stay as Lagos governor. Let him finish what he started.

^ that picture is hilarious

nice response @ topic

there are more igbo people+property in hausaland than vice versa so this is an illogical move since ibos will never win this battle.
as far as i'm concerned they should probably prepare for a counter-retaliation.

ROTFLMAO
first of all, I don't think there is any cause for alarm. those ones will remain up north. and if anything happens to them, they will send replacement from iboland as they have always done. na today?

in all seriousness though, it will definitely make an impact if there is a sudden mass influx of igbo refugees in lagos. people will notice and react to it.
I wonder what's so scary about the east that the folks don't wanna stay there. just heard today that 166 easterners died enroute to Gabon in an attempt to escape the east. I mean gabon of all places!! are things really that bad in SE? soon we will hear that they are trekking to Somali.
na wa.

Mr McJay: The madness called extra-judicial killings is not one peculiar to any tribe, so no need playing the victim's card. The Orie-Ohabiam market deaths which occured in Aba and claimed about 37 lives was perpetrated by Igbos. What we need to do is to demand that justice be done at all levels. When we start rejecting monetary compensations and insist on lengthy prison sentences and execution for killer state agents, we'll make a bold statement.

As for the Apo Six, I saw the pictures of their families smiling like roasted goats while receiving 'compensation' from the police. That isn't compensation, it is 'shut-up money'.

you are speaking to unrepentant schemers. they know exactly what they are doing and the mischievous acts they are up to. it has nothing to do with seeking justice but everything do with their tribalistic mission against hausas and yorubas.

^
I rest my case. what a shame.

another stup[size=1pt].[/size]id biafra-cabal thread filled with a bunch of tribalistic farts.
you aren't fooling anyone here.

soon they will come up with a story of how 50 bodies that washed up the river in Anambra were killed by yorubas or hausas (if they haven't done that already). rubbish

na wa o. may their souls RIP
but seriously, why should 166 people board a wooden boat to travel internationally on the Atlantic Ocean.
cheap isn't always good. esp. when you are risking your life to travel to a place like Gabon
may God protect us.

One_Naira: WTF Is Wrong With Some Of The Yoruba's On This Forum. The Only Set I see being tribalistic Even When The Dead Is Concerned. I Thought The Whole Mocking The Dead Thing Stays In The Awolowo, Ojukwu Thing But It Seems Some Illiterates Does It No Matter Who. Tufiakwa. May God Have Mercy On Una Soul Cause Mark My Words When You People Die,Una Are Going To Hell. The Dead You Mock Will Be The Ones That Will Either Drag Una Down Or Request You're Sent There. It's One Thing To Be Tribalistic To The Living, It's Another Thing To Be Tribalistic To The Dead That Had No Impact On You Be It Negative Or Positive. Tufiakwa. Bunch Of Old Men That Don't Even Realize Their Are Some Situation You Act Your Age Or At Least Act Like You Have Half A Sense SMH. May God Have Mercy On Una Soul.

Anyway May The Soul Of The Departed R.I.P. May This Be A Lesson To some. lives over profits. lives over being cheap. I hope some learn from this tragedy

I think yours is the most tribalistic post on this thread so far.
You didn't see all the comments filled with pity. it's only the very very few aberrant ones that you were obviously scanning for. Your own motive here is very sinister. Thank God there is no way to connect this accident to yorubas. otherwise, all of you members of biafra cabal (including ezeuche) will be having a field day as you usually do all over the forum accusing everyone of anti-ibo oppression or whatever it is you have made yourselves self-assigned victims of. umpphh

yarodin: LOL, common now we all know who the political prostitutes are.

why are you exposing yourself as a prostitute. Guess you are very high on dog-meat soup.

Isn't it funny how you mention the U.S. and U.K, what do you think drive the U.S. economy? Large businesses like Walmart who try that contribute (revenue wise) to their company with little taxes and max of 50,000 employees or thousands of SMALL BUSINESS like small business owner, U.S. Dept of Labor classifies small business as those with up to 25 employees and make no more than $1million. I'll leave you to answer that question, then come back with your thoughts. Though the large companies make up about 70% of the revenues, their contribution (from taxes, to employment, community, et al) to the economy is meager. Quote me on it.

ignorant manny,
US economy is driven in large part by large businesses. not "petty traders" anybody can own a petty business and infact choose not to do so because its more profitable to work for a coorporation/ industry. In fact, mass entrepreneurship is very low in the USA and has been since the industrial age. those who don't have the opportunities (ex immigrants, foreigners, unemployed etc) tend to be the ones who take the risk to open shop/ work under the table etc and a few get lucky and make it big. very very few. you will see the same pattern in most countries. China is a world power now because it smartened up and opened mass factories. the last thing it is doing is encouraging so called "petty business" rotfl
you sound like you live under a cave. esp with the ignorant statement about middle class being created by "small businesses" LOL more like working class.
go and read newspapers, get educated on the economy and then come back to me.

spare part dealer feeling funky.
infact if you mention the world "trader" in the USA, most people will think you are talking about stock market. trade is mostly on large scale level in developed countries and that's why they are developed in the first place!! even their farms are industrial!

she smiled her way to the bank despite the sunburn

https://www.etonline.com/media/photo/2013/01/23986284/kim_kardashian_130118_425.jpg

inufele2: Dude, there is no where in the world where small or petty business creates a middle class, working class may be but definitely not the middle class.

thank you. you put into one sentence what I wasted my time writing an essay on.

^ igbos are a nomadic ethnic group. is the reason behind it. it's very obvious
the jews faced persecution because they lived amongst others for centuries yet they refused to assimilate with their hosts and kept themselves separate hence they chose to be target for hatred.
you can say the same for the Roma (gypsies) of europe. although this group are not as well known they actually faced much higher level of hatred than jews that continues to the present day. you can google them to read more about them.

even a yoruba who lives in enugu will face some sort of discrimination. it's just natural thing that happens. I've read books on yoruba land pre-independence and was surprised that the hausa community in SW - ibadan etc (they were mostly traders) also faced a lot of discrimination in their sabon gari (strangers' quarters). there has even been a thread here before with the yoruba community in eastern states (enugu and abia) complaining about marginalization they face. now imagine if a LARGE number of yoruba people (like the igbos) were living outside of yorubaland, won't the discrimination become a bigger issue? won't it seem as if yorubas were hated?

manny4life: Isn't it funny how you mention the U.S. and U.K, what do you think drive the U.S. economy? Large businesses like Walmart who try that contribute (revenue wise) to their company with little taxes and max of 50,000 employees or thousands of SMALL BUSINESS like small business owner, U.S. Dept of Labor classifies small business as those with up to 25 employees and make no more than $1million. I'll leave you to answer that question, then come back with your thoughts. Though the large companies make up about 70% of the revenues, their contribution (from taxes, to employment, community, et al) to the economy is meager. Quote me on it.

guess you have never heard of the New Deal policies of the 1930s. that was what created the middle class in the USA after WWII.
certainly not petty businesses. petty businesses will not even make you come near any developed nation because such sort of development feeds off of large economies of scale. ex industrial farms vs small backyard farms etc
ex china is advancing today because of its large mass factories. not small independent shop keepers. American then had a much stronger government and over 50% f the labor force belonged to a worker union. wages more than doubled between 1939 and 1944. free education, full employment, higher wages and social welfare benefits are what caused the middle class to expand. petty businesses is usually taken up by unemployed or immigrants who can't find mainstream employment. or women who are also often locked out. I am talking about cities here. things are different in some rural areas.

the Walmarts of today are like the Ford motor company of the early 20th century. The only differnce is that america has a consumer economy today (walmart) as opposed to the manufacturing economy (ford motor plant etc) of the pre 1960 yrs. either way, the economy of this developed nation (and all other developed nations) are driven by big businesses. whether it is production or consumer focused.

what happened was that after WWII, most other coutries were devastated and US was relatively unscathed. but others are now catching up (esp asia) and USA is losing its edge. plus government is much weaker and can't enforce laws against big businesses as it used to.

also, you are arguing against yourself. if small business in USA can be classified as a business making up to $1million.
then most of the petty businesses that exists in nigeria will not even be classified as businesses at all!! $1million is a lot of money.

asha 80: in nigeria the normal mantra is 'igbos love money'.other nigerians view that as a bad trait hence the believe igbos are bad.so since Gujurats love money as you stated doesn't the logic follow?

all people love money. but the way some people go about their greed can be very nauseating (ex. igbos).

manny4life: Lol, you forgot that the petty shack (like you put it), aka SMALL BUSINESS is what creates the middle class...lol, I pity you. Continue hating on others and their small business, while they continue to move forward.

ROTFL anybody can own a small shack. my mom owned one while she was nursing her kids until she could start back at her regular job.
which kain middle class. LOL. the first world countries we have UK, US etc are not first world countries because each family is doing petty family business.

you need to learn to be able to work collaboratively with others to create economies of scale and therefore produce efficiently.
what igbos lack is that ability to work together. hence their style is very inefficient but in their minds, they are king of the hill
you would think that most companies in nigeria will be igbo owned by now since they boast so much about being businessmen. yet they always start with small shop and end with small shop. rotfl

yorubas are particularly good with the social aspect of business hence we are better with multinational/ coorporation type industries which require a lot of collaborative effort.