₦airaland Forum

@belabela

GEJ chose to be interviewed by D-banj because he probabaly thinks Nigerian youths have got no brains.

D-banj is very much Nigerian and can interview the President if he's hired to do so by savvy PR/PDP persons. As for the assumption that he(President) thinks the Nigerian youths have got no brains is best left for IBB to give us his own definitive opinion on that.

HE is probably thinking once we see D-banj we would just start voting for GEJ.

May be he is right. What are other candidates waiting for? That's what politicians do everywhere

I just think GEJ has nothing to offer. Otherwise he should be enthusiastic about his plans.

What do you expect or want from him exactly? He's very much as enthusiastic about his no plans as his opponents with plans are

He should see a national debate as a means to convince the youths. Nigerian youths are not fools you know.

Do so called national "debates" convince anybody let alone the so called youths? Nigerian youths are "not fools" hence D-banj was hired and he is not taking them for granted either

@Op
There's nothing to explain That's the saga called Nigeria

@Tp
I think the debate was interesting and if I use the "debate" as my guide: Pastor Bakare was a better performer and his delivery was concise and direct . He's a 'natural' after all he's a 'public' speaker by 'trade' .

It's a shame that the PDP party treated the 'debate' with levity and hold Nigerians in absolute contempt by not participating in the so called 'debate'. I wonder why the fear or disdain for fellow citizens by those who want our votes? Do they not believe in healthy "debates" or is the coming 'election' a foregone conclusion?

oyb

so why are you importing dustbins that can be made in nigeria?

Two of the personal assistants are Malian and Senegalese tailors who sow the president’s clothes.

Well, the president is only acknowledging [/b]and affirming what most[b] discerning Nigerians already know that there is a dearth of 'craftsmanship' and skilled artisans in every sphere of economic activity- auto and Okada mechanics, tailors, tillers. plumbers, electricians, builders etc. Besides, there are no appropriate training institutes for such skills in Nigeria and perhaps the lack of constant electricity might be a good reason to go 'foreign'- Senegal etc. Don't discount the usual Nigerian penchant to inflate contracts and siphoning money offshore even to RP Benin, Senegal, South Africa and the Caribbean Islands. Europe and North America are no longer safe havens and secretive enough for their loots

@tpia! @ shotstar50

Isn't it a shame that we have to consult 'wiki' or some other foreign source to 'approve' , 'confirm' and 'justify' our history and cultural names etc. It's obvious that 'Onitsha', 'Asaba', Benin etc were all anglicised forms of the 'native' names- Onicha, Ahaba and Bini etc. There's so much unfinished business in Africa.

ROSSIKE

For me, the first mistake they made was forming an ''African Union'' with Arabs and north ''Africans''.
That singular act indicates a people who have completely lost all knowledge of their history. Even their recent history.

@ROSSIKE

You maybe right but it is like abandoning your prime land and heritage to marauding robbers altogether. Sincerely, I'm very much interested in reclaiming every centimetre of African Lands occupied by so called Arabs. Perhaps, we should all be thankful to the good people of the South Sudan who had the good sense to wage a protracted war against the advance south wards by the Arabs. Already very large tracks of lands have been sold or leased to Arabs from the Emirates in the Sudan. Arab presence in Africa is extremely dangerous for our well being and
existence. Some of our elders have sold us short on so called 'union', 'Pan-Africanism' etc, without much cultural and intellectual rigour.
I noticed that you're recommending a book by Chancellor Williams but I am inclined to recommend any books by the Senegalese Historian, Anthropologist and Physicist( Cheikh Anta Diop) as a fundamental reading before any other books about Africa.

PhysicsMHD

If you saw that movie, The Queen (I saw it on an airplane; I wouldn't have paid to see it), you would have noticed all those royals, including the Queen and her husband, wearing Scottish kilts. Assuming the depiction was reasonably accurate, it would be pretty weird behavior for them to engage in, if they weren't acknowledging their Scottish ancestry.

@PhysicsMHD,
Well, the Royals wearing kilts is partly to affirm the unity, 'rulership' and relevance of the monarchy to the Union(United-Kingdom). Besides, it makes good 'political' and 'cultural' sense to 'ingratiate' and impress your hosts by adopting their national/traditional clothes. The Royals are politically savvy. They are aware of the rabid nationalism of certain sections of the Scottish nation. The true ancestry of the British Royalty is Germany. The Queen's mum is from Scotland so there's a small link.

SEFAGO

Anyways you missed the point. I am saying their are Nigerians capable of providing engineers and oil workers in Angola. Yes they might not have the capital to invest and start a company or infrastructure that you are talking about. I am just saying that maybe makinga  policy that encourages africans in the industry as opposed to Portuguese might be better.

@SEFAGO
I don't think you get the drift of my point/post. Why would so called capable Nigeria able to provide engineers and oil workers to Angola unable to meet home demand hence my comment/question,  have we become so 'developed' and 'saturated' that we now have surplus manpower to export whereas our own home industries are being run by 'foreigners'?  'De-regulation' and lack of 'protectionism' by the Nigerian government in your view is the reason. You also thought I was thinking/talking about capital and investment. I wasn't. Pls read my post again if you have the time. The Angolans like the Nigerians have made policies that are favourable to their country and needs. The Portuguese, you may not know are Angolan citizens. Most of them are Angolan born just like the so called East African Asians born and bred in Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania. They are only going back to the land of their birth because of the lure of opportunities, peace and linguistic affinity.

Katsumoto

Secondly, Nigeria just dey do gra gra; Nigeria is equally lacking in intellectual capital for such projects. You only need look at the quality of houses, roads, and bridges being put up in Nigeria. Angolans can be forgiven for not knowing better, considering the war. But what is Nigeria's excuse?

@Katsumoto
Gbam!! @ the bolded^^ You are very correct!. Nigerians will make all manner of excuses under the sun for very poor workmanship - painters, builders, tilers plumbers, electricians, mechanics  and even in clothes making(tailoring). Nigeria does not have middle tier technical or craft training colleges like in our neighbouring countries. The Nigerian ruling elite are addicted to 'University' oriented 'education' and nothing  else in the 'middle'. It's very sad and dangerous for our well being hence our dependency on 'foreign' artisans or technicians in our vital industries-  oil&gas, telecom and air transportation etc.

SEFAGO

I differ on Nigeria does not have the intellectual capital. I have heard that some Nigerian engineers have been trying to penetrate the Angolan market for sometime but they have not been able to because of they prefer "expatriates" (aka non-Africans except from south africa). I[b] dont see much what a chinese can do honestly that most talented Nigerian engineers cannot do.[/b]

@SEFAGO

The Angolans I believe have a functioning embassy in Nigeria. Sentiments aside, the Angolans must've first hand experience of Nigeria and her glorious 'engineering' capacity etc. Why are the Nigerian engineers 'hustling' for work/contracts in neighbouring Angola if all is well at home? Have Nigeria suddenly become very developed/ saturated? Everyone has a choice to peddle their skills in the 'free' market place especially in Africa but is it really the case here? Perhaps the Nigerian Engineers are frustrated in their own home after all we have so much work to do at home. Don't we? I'll hazard a guess that the Nigerian environment is extremely frustrating to the 'majority' skilled and unskilled. As to your remark^^ bolded, about the Chinese - I   laff
I hope that you're aware that the best building artisans and craftsmen presently working in Nigeria are mostly from our neighbouring countries and pls note that it isn't because they are 'cheaper' than the Nigerian worker but something else far more crucial in any trade/work--DISCIPLINE,craftsmanship, diligence and FINESSE- Tilers, Painters, Plumbers, electricians etc and even clothing(Tailors). You only have to travel around West Africa and other parts of Africa to see the difference in quality of workmanship. Sentiments and 'pseudo-patriotism' should not becloud our true observation of how things are in our midst. The song by Eidris Abdul Kareem about everything Jaga jaga Nigeria jaga jaga is very apt We cannot continue to tell ourselves false 'stories' about our so called 'intellectual Capital' capacity. We are actually in danger even within Africa hence the Angolans will rather go 'foreign' than hire the Nigerian. Our unenviable 'reputation' however unfairly, precedes us and will impact negatively on any enterprising Nigerian anywhere in Africa. There is so much unfinished business even within Nigeria let alone in Lusophone Angola/Africa. We are no better. Our oil/gas industry are manned by 'oyibo' people and asians and we cannot deny that fact. The french even have their own 'village' and soon or later we'll definitely have a proper 'china' town too.

ROSSIKE

But Egypt used to be wholly black, just like Sudan used to be. You need to put down your colonial handbook on African ''history''.

A major reason why Sudan came to be categorized as part of North Africa was white 'embarrassment' at the glorious black Nubian civilization of antiquity, of fine temples, chariots, and pyramids.

The racists who dictate UN policy could not bring themselves to publicly associate such majesty with black Africa, so, just as they did with Egypt, they lifted Sudan and placed her somewhere in the middle east or ''North Africa'' against all common sense.

@ROSSIKE

^^GBAM!!! Thank you Unfortunately some of our people have joined the bandwagon perpetuating Euro-cenric version of African history. It's relentless.

kabna

Technically and strictly speaking the term sub means under or beneath. So sub saharan in its strictest sense denotes countries lying beneath the saharan desert. since sudan and mali lies within the sahara, they should not be subsaharan countries. my simple reasoning for this is from information it seems much of sudanese population are within the sahara whiles much of malians are immediately without so in terms of the demographics it seems fairly reasonable to put mali in sub sharan africa while sudan is out hence ghana's status as the first black african country south of the shara to gain independence. the accurate refernce to ghana's status is as i have stated first black country south of the shara.

@kabna

Your reply may appear plausible but that's an exercise in sophistry. It has nothing to do with the 'demographics' you're trying to peddle.  Who 'Technically' defined and coined the phrase 'Sub' -  when and for what purpose? The only reason Sudan was seen as non African was because of pseudo-political and linguistic affinity with the Arabs of the Middle East who were very keen to 'Arabise' Sudan by co-opting Sudan into the Arab league hence the wars in the Sudan with the attendant gross and spurious interpretation 'sub' this and 'sub' 'that' which sadly has gained currency even amongst Africans. It's amazing how persistent lies become legitimised and then become 'technically'^ truth . Pls I am not trying to negate your history or the stories that Ghanains have consistently told themselves. I am happy for you if it makes you happy and us as fellow Africans share in your progressive match.

PhysicsMHD

I think the Ghana claim is basically based on a bizarre classification technicality. My point was that Ghana was second in black Africa, and if not for the strange Sudan classification (because we all know the Sudanese are not North Africans, regardless of whatever rubbish the UN comes up with) by some uninformed body like the UN, that Ghana claim would have died out quickly.
This UN classification is especially silly because Mali, which is classified as West African and also in "sub-Saharan" Africa by everybody, is not lower geographically than Sudan, but is never classified as North African.

@PhysicsMHD

Thank you for bringing such a topic up. It's truly educational. I've also wondered about it. My thoughts/answer can only be that the Europeans as well as Ghana were inadvertently complicit to a bad propaganda that went badly wrong. You correctly pointed out that the so called UN and I'll add the British, especially, were ever too keen to 'define' and 'interpret' our history and geography as well. They obviously lumped Sudan with the Arab north of Africa because of linguistic affiliation and perhaps for political expediency, to undermine the Mahdi liberation impact on Sudan. The colonialist is adept at psychological warfare and disinformation. We cannot underestimate their thinking and motivation. The only worry should be why did Ghana fall for such falsehood and barefaced self perpetuating lies/propaganda? It clearly demonstrates the power of disinformation as a tool for social control and miseducation. Thanks.

ola olabiy

The question is: when are we going to make the said choice? When?!

@ola olabiy

NOW!!!!!!! NOW. Do we have any other option(s)? Believe me it's a jungle out there WAR is the only fit description for the onslaught on our existence presently. We have to adopt a war psyche which entails immediate sense of URGENCY and CONSCIOUSNESS/AWARENESS. 24/7. Any slip up means an inexorable drive towards extinction or partially caged in the African Zoo, where only rich foreigners in search of adventure/exotica visit armed with telephoto lens. The prognosis is not pretty at all for the African. I read the fully report about Angola in the Economist magazine. It reminds me of how Lagos and Abidjan were once described as the most expensive places in the world some years ago. Indeed, some Nigerians were rather proud of such 'pricey' tag. Are we any better now as a people?
The Angolan experience is not different from Gabon, Guinea/Conakry, Chad, Nigeria, Congo DRC, Central African Republic and Equatorial Guinea. These are very rich countries but you'll struggle to find answers to whatever happened to their natural wealth.

@kilode?!

Thanks and it shall be well with us. We can't afford to fail or give up. It's 'War'. We have no other choice but to remain focused and conscious 24/7.
Thanks and stay blessed by the grace of our illustrious Ancestors. The libation has been accepted by them already for it was offered by their illustrious son

kilode?!

I owe you a gourd of palm wine.

@Kilode?! ^^

Thanks unfortunately I don't drink but I also owe you a gourd of palmy and everyone else on NL who have contributed to our collective humanity and my growth through their wisdom and knowledge. I sincerely love, respect and appreciate my encounter/conversation on NL. I hope and wish it can be like this always perhaps over a bowl of pepper soup always. Thank youooooo. may the Gods of our Ancestors continue to guide and protect you.

EzeUche

The West is part of the problem. They buy off our leaders and provide safe havens for their looted funds. The Swiss are just as guilty as leader like Mubarak, Dos Santos, Abacha, OBJ, Mobutu and IBB. Even when a nation wants to recoup the looted funds, those Swiss Bank Accounts are used freely by these tyrants.
And let not forget about the Structural Adjustment Programs (SAPs) that the IMF/World Bank put on struggling African nations.

@EzeUche

Nobody is part of your problem. Nobody is buying off your so called leaders etc either.  Have you ever bothered to look at the issue like a 'market' place where everyone is in competition and ever ready to buy or sell   or even better like a 'War' ?. In both spheres of activities Choice, preparation, thought, Knowledge [/b]and [b]Seriousness is involved. We cannot be making the same cry baby excuses for our slackness and laziness forever. It's pathetic and shameful.

ola olabiy

All their State corporations have been cornered by these thieves.

@ola olabiy
well, the so called 'thieves' are the only people qualified[/b]or with the necessary or appropriate[b] skills to operate their State corporations. Unlike Nigeria during and after colonialism, they do not have enough educated or skilled persons in most of the Lusophone countries. Their knowledge or education deficit is dire indeed. Also, unlike in Nigeria or much of West Africa, it seems or appears like they do not aspire or value education especially in the Congo basin areas of Africa including Angola but pls keep in mind that the Portuguese legacy or style of colonialism was extremely insidious. The number of university graduates from that part of Africa can be counted in single figures. It was very destructive and shameful.

ola olabiy

Chinese people are not from the West.
Indians are not.
And, Brazillians are not.
We have been attending the hallowed institutions in the West for decades now.
We have studied them; we understand them. But once we find ourselves in power, we easily collude with them to rob our own people.
Isn't that funny?

@ola olabiy

Pls because of time and space I can't go  into details.
Do you sincerely think the Chinese, Brazillians, Indians and even Cubans are on the same level with us in terms of 'cultural/historical'  experience/back up which informs, guides and anchors a fully 'developed' human being. How do you negotiate in the market place of ideas such as western education, economy/economics etc The values/culture and history that everything is anchored on negates or does not acknowledge any impute from your kind(race/African). In short you are already in double jeopardy/bind and deficit psychically that is not to say that you'll not be able  excel in your line of study as most of us usually do. It's different from Chinese, Brazillian(white), Indian or Cuban of Fidel Castro's background or East Europeans/ Russian. Fundamentally, they all have a full history and Culture on which to draw from which anchors their world view wherever they may find themselves. We do not have such luxury whatsoever hence I said that we are like 'lost and 'confused' children in the refugee camps(world). Any wonder our so called ruling class are looters and still bank and invest in 'enemy' banks etc? The education did not go through them because it's of no 'meaning' to their existence other than mere certificate for 'meal ticket' in our various 'countries'. There's Education and there's education
We may have been attending/studying in their so called hallowed institutions in the west for decades, as you correctly stated in your quote above.^^, that in itself explains some of our 'lost' and 'confused' state of being.
How can you begin to study in some strange land, language and culture etc if you had no foundation in terms full counterbalancing value system anchoring your good or bad 'judgement', 'choices' or whatever ideas or 'education' you may be bombarded with. The Indians, Chinese, Russians, Cubans(white), Brazilians(white) and other Asians have the cultural Base and Superstructure as an adjunct to whatever so called 'foreign' education some of them may get from the West. In fact besides the Asians, every other person of European descent can be described as 'Western' in values and culture. There's nothing that separates the Russian and the American Anglo-saxon culturally and values. They share the same European Patrimony and world view. I do not think any serious minded African/ Nigerian after the over fifty years of 'in-dependence' , blames or points at the imaginary 'other' or 'foreigners' or 'enemies' etc. The solution and Choice is ours to make whether we like it or not or continue in our usual sad and bumbling ways

@ola olabiy

It's that bad and Serious indeed!

There was  a UN or world bank report some years back which indicated that there are no records or national account of where the petro- dollars went. 'Lootocracy' is something most Africans have abundantly in common and the money did not disappear into the war fighting machine either. Nigerian elite  might think that they live in 'opulence' because they've never met their Angolan counterparts who can certainly teach them a thing or two about 'style' and 'conspicuous' consumption. It's heart breaking .

ola olabiy

My question is: are we that bad to the extent that we can not even run a country in a progressive way no matter how blessed the country in question is?
It is the same story all over Africa.

@ola olabiy
We cannot begin to address the so called African problem until we acknowledge and appreciate the damage/ psychic dislocation afflicting us as Africans brought about by foreign intervention-  invasion, conquest, slavery, colonialism and apartheid. Practically no African is 'free' from such psychological/cultural damage. Pls, we cannot afford to blame 'enemies' or 'foreigners' etc. The solution lies in our own hands. Foreigners or enemies are justified because that's how they are supposed to behave.
Presently, most Africans are consciously being 'miseducated' in every sense of the word, perhaps with the little exception of Ethiopia. The rest of Africa is beholden to everything foreign hence we are totally confused and lost. We may try occasionally to get it right but it never happens because we have never[b] consciously[/b], thought about our problems from a Cultural and Historical(Afri-centric stance. It does not imply exclusion of positive ideas etc from outside either. In short, If you define yourself or whatever you stand for clearly, you'll be able to exclude whatever is against your values/desired goals. We'll suddenly begin to see clearly and not be dazzled by all manner of isms and ideas, that are actually inimical to our survival/well being.  Angola is just a reflection of us all. Some Nigerians actually assume that we are any better etc but are we? The African condition is dire and deserves Serious study, understanding and total transformation. I think it is  beyond mere populist economic  revolution in order to reclaim/affirm our true African personality. Anything less will only be like South Africa after official apartheid or Ghana after Rawlings. My bros it's a serious matter indeed.

asorocker

Their expansionism if not checked will spell doom for the nation.

@asorocker
I do not think that they are expansionist except if you wish/desire to be colonised .

EzeUche

Conflict between pastoralist and agricultural societies is as old as civilizations itself. This is not only relates to Africa, but for most of the world. The Mongols used to raid the more agrarian societies found in China during the 1400s. The Huns as they entered Europe during 300 CE raided the barbaric agrarian societies in Germania, which forced the people who suffered from the raids to enter Europe.

In Africa, pastoralist have always posed a problem for agrarian societies. The Tutsi/Hutu conflict can be traced to this dimension. Maasai pastoralist would sometimes come into conflict with Kikuyu farmers. Pastoralist have brought down civilizations in order to find grazing land for their animals. One day, these African pastoralist will learn to settle in areas and learn proper herding techniques.

That should put it in perspective for some people.

@EzeUche
I think you've misinterpreted the above history. The Mongols till this day, come from very harsh almost desert environment hence they are not agrarian in nature. During harsh winter or drought seasons they move and desperate people with livestock in search of grazing lands will find it infinitely tempting to invade empty lush fields. There is nothing in their make up that denotes that they are incapable of adapting to new ways of doing things most especially when they discovered large lush fertile lands like the lands of the Indus valley- modern day Pakistan and India etc; They settled down and perhaps learnt new things from the locals which they incorporated into their civilisation building techniques of which they later became famous for. In Europe it was a different story altogether. Their drive west wards was not simply because they are nomads in search of lush green fields, other factors and politics of the times played a part in their quest for conquest. Keep in mind that they had superior techniques in warfare and technology which they acquired during their sojourn and encounters in China, Indus Valley etc before meeting the waring tribes in Europe. Nomadic and pastoralist culture does not engender aggressive behaviour except if you are trying to convince us otherwise. The Tutsi/Hutu crisis had its origin in Belgium colonial impact on the people of Rwanda/Burundi just like the British colonial impact on Kenya was the source of the on going land/pastoral land conflicts which culminated in the recent political mayhem in kenya. There are so much unfinished business in Africa due to the impact of Colonialism, Slavery and Apartheid. The Khoisan of Southern Africa are nomads but they are inherently peaceful unlike their traditionally pastoral Zulus and other ethnic nationalities in that part of Africa.  The various ethnic nationalities in the Sudan are nomadic and pastoral. The problem arises when there are absence of strong effective laws and weak authority. In Ethiopia, there are nomadic/pastoral groups but conflicts do not happen willy nilly because the Ethiopian central government is highly authoritarian/ effective against such trespass by nomads or not. Pls do not justify bad behaviour with spurious history just like the christian invaders tried to justify crude wickedness with the Bible.

EzeUche

The Fulani are an interesting case study. I'll be lying if I said, I am not amazed in how the rule over a people who are the majority in a region. While there Fulani brethren in other countries are not given this much power.
I wonder if it is, because the other ethnicities located in the Sene-gambia region were Muslims just as long as the Fulbe. The Mandinka, Wolof and Serer are just as zealous as them. Especially the Malinke who are the descendants of the Mali empire.

@EzeUche
You correctly identified the other ethnic nationalities in those places and of course the Manding/Malinke and their history. Well, as you must've recognised, a sense of history/culture [/b]and your place in it goes a long way in [b]shaping your world view and perception of people around you. It's only in Guinea-Conakry and Mali, that they have a fairly sizeable/noticeable population but that in itself cannot over ride the inherent sense of history/self of the other groups despite their shared religious(Islamic) affiliation. After all Islam was also 'foreign'/imported to the whole of Africa anyway. The history of the Peoples of imperial ancient Mali, Songhai and Ghana in many places predates the arrival of Islam; It certainly did not undertake the kind of aggressive messianic(jihadist), conquering actions of Uthman Dan Fodio against peaceful sedentary Hausa speaking natives of Nigeria. Like I pointed out earlier in my posts, [b]Conquest [/b]confers unfair/undue influence Political, Religious, Economic and most importantly [b]Psychological sense of superiority over the 'subjects'.[/b] It's akin to the effect of colonialism/slavery and Apartheid on the victims. The effects of such encounter lingers almost forever. It's insidious and disabling indeed. Only a small number of bright zealots can rule over a large number of timid/peaceful and ignorant majority , hence the north of Nigeria is unique from other places. You can also notice that the Kanuri of imperial kanemBornu are different and will not tolerate/accept such aggressive,  behaviour in their midst despite their shared religious affiliation, because they have a strong sense of history/self too, like the peoples of Mali etc. The Fulani did not conquer them hence they have mutual respect for each other and contempt for the majority Hausa .

Abagworo

What I think will solve this problem is[b] education[/b] and reorientation of the Nomads.

@Abagworo
Gbam ^^ Effective laws and 'compensation' for losses, nothing less will do.

EzeUche

To be fair, cows are seen as a sign of status amongst many of Africa's nomadic tribes, from the Fulani to the Maasai, Samburu, Turkana etc. Many of these ethnic groups would kill someone over their cows, if they are not given money for their loss.

Let us just put that in perspective.

@EzeUche
The bolded^^ in your post is not unique nor peculiar only to nomads but humanity as a whole where-ever property or wealth is involved. Will you not defend/protect your valuable [/b]property? As a matter of fact one is most likely to go to jail/long prison sentence in many countries for crimes against property or economic system than manslaughter or reckless driving. Nomads do not have monopoly of [b]sense of value for property . That in some places they settle disputes pertaining to loss of property(cows) by killing is because the laws of the land or 'modern' legal systems have not been effective in such remote places far away from the 'city'. In much of Southern Africa they traditionally assess their wealth by the number of Cows etc but times have changed due to 'foreign' sense of value and conquest/incursion in those places too. We cannot encourage or tolerate trespass and abuse/contempt for local farmers. Old habits die hard.

Chyz*

When i say fulani, im not just talking about the ones in nigeria.

@Chyz*
It's only in Nigeria that the Fulani wield/have such overarching Political power relative to their size. In other places they do not enjoy such unfettered influence. Some of them are good businessmen no doubt in other west African countries but that's as far as it goes. The ethnic nationalities in Mali, Guninea-Conakry, Cote d'Ivoire, Niger, SeneGambia, Cameroons, Burkina Faso and Sierra-Leone are far more self conscious of their history. They'll not allow or tolerate such overbearing behaviour as they exhibit in the north of Nigeria. Conquest/defeat confers psychological advantage and disadvantage on the defeated/victims of their aggression(Nigeria). They've practically unseated all the traditional rulers in the north-Ilorin(Kwara) and imposed Fulani rulers.

eku bear

I'm by no means the best of Christians, but these particular verses I will always follow

@eku bear
Wao, so you've picked particular verses to follow instead of the essence [/b]and [b]spirit of your faith ? so a cow for Pepper soup will never make you turn the other cheek or forgive those who trespass I am in sympathy with the local farmers whose crops have been destroyed by mindless marauding herds men. No excuses [/b]for [b]deliberate bad behaviour!

sbeezy8

fulanis werent always warriors they were scholars of islam.

@sbeezy8
The Fulani incursion, [b]Conquest [/b]and [b]subjugation [/b]of the north and some south western parts of Nigeria and Islam was never peaceful let alone scholarly

eku bear

In any case, whenever they cause trouble or their cattle eat crops, blood must be shed.

@eku bear

You sound like an unreformed 'militant' even a cow or two will not pacify you?

Chyz*

The fulanis have always been warriors. Islam just made it worse.

@Chyz*

Because they conquered the Hausa and Islamised some Nigerians that makes them 'always warriors' and religion/Islam has made it worse?
In other words the local farmers should cower and surrender their source of livelihood because of the above bolded^^ in your view?

Abagworo

The reason why people clash with Fulanis is as a result of cultural misunderstanding.The Fulani culture believes that God created land and grasses for feeding the cattle hence they have no need to stay permanently at a place.[/b]They continue moving from place to place in search of greener pastures for their cattle.To them only God owns land and man has no need to acquire one for himself.Most indigenous Nigerian tribes value land and crops which is a sharp contrast with the Fulani who only value cattle.

@Abagworo
In short some of them are [b]nomadic. It's not peculiar or unique to them in Africa or the rest of the world either. The issue is about respect [/b]for other people and why do they [b]pick and choose the places where they misbehave?