₦airaland Forum

pleep

Both of them are jokes. Even though i liked some of mugabes policies regarding white ownership of property in the country, Zimbabwe is messed up because of him not because of the sanctions you guys love to scapegoat.

And Nelson Mandela is just a typical black sheep, turn the other cheek and all that jazz. These were brave people, but what we need to realize is true freedom can never be given to you. Marching, protesting and all that crap will only give the illusion of freedom because the oppressors will never completely abandon a system that benefits them.

If you want real freedom you must fight for it, with the same tactics as your enemy.

@^^ You are correct that so called sanctions did not do much damage to Zimbabwe especially to the "elites". Zimbabwe had to put in the hard work/struggle in order to survive in the long run. That is the price societies have to pay to achieve their ultimate goal of freedom from foreign dick-tats/interference. Sanctions are effective in import addicted places/classes etc .
I agree that freedom is not a cheap sweet that can be dispensed/handed out to "children" but must be "Fought" for sometimes using same tactics as the enemy .

GenBuhari

he success of these small-scale farmers has led some experts to reassess the legacy of Zimbabwe’s forced land redistribution, even as they condemn its violence and destruction. "

@^^ Out of chaos comes ORDER .
Out of War comes Peace .
Out of destruction of the old order comes[b] New Dawn[/b] .
Only cowards/propagandists are afraid of the unknown and promote dubious "peace", "economic" growth or so called "experience" of the settlers as indispensable as if they were born with the knowledge of farming alone and not another acquired skill like most other things in life. The Africans only asked for a small holding of land/share in the land of their forebears after all. It appears "violence" seem to be the language Europeans/settlers seem to understand very well. It must be a cultural trait . They know how to dish it out to others but cannot handle it when the tables turn. Suddenly, all manner of holier than thou propagandists come out of the wood works. South Africa will surely face the music someday whether they postpone the hard decisions that have to be made now or later. What is so difficult in sharing/giving up a few acres of land vountariily if you have hundreds/thousands of hectares of land, most, ill gotten/forcibly acquired from the natives? It is shocking/greedy indeed! Do they think that human memory of injustice is irrelevant/forgettable?

andewza

You do know that the majority of big business is in the black elite (or ANC members) hands. The fact that the poor are still poor is more to do with greed. There is a big chance of a revolution against the rich than a war against white farmers who are a big source of employment.

@^^ You are correct that some big business is in the black elite(ANC) hands . Yes, the revolt ought to be against the rich but somehow ignorance by the black majority will derail it.

The war in Angola was a proxy war, nevertheless the outcome would have been different if not for the restraint of the Cubans by the then OAU against Mugabe's and Castro's wish .

T9ksy

At that particular moment in question, the yorubas (both the "elite" & the "commoners" have only 2

options: either they stay with One nigeria OR become a conquered territory of Ojukwu's BLF, like the Mid-west region.
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@^^ Bros, Pls forget about simplistic propaganda that was peddled by self serving idiots/propagandists who know nothing about "war" or military operations. Why do you believe that the South West(Yorubaland) will become a so called conquered territory of BLF? Was there such an intention in the first place? If there was such an intention, the story of the military operation in the South West will be different never mind the later day propagandists. BLF had the advantage of surprise which counts a lot in war but chose to exercise restraint and caution under Banjo to see how far dialogue/reason or change of heart will prevail. The problem some persons have with Awo is that most people forget that nothing was actually agreed let alone written/signed between Awo and Ojukwu. Everything, was as usual the "African way" no signed/written agreement concluded but everything was assumed to be agreed on orally. With that kind of wishy-washy belief of agreement, would you blame an Awo or anybody for changing their mind against secession given the [b]actual occupation [/b]of Yorubaland by fierce looking and hostile "Nigeria" when he realised the enormity of the enterprise. Nothing have changed since then everywhere in the South of Nigeria till this day . The Yoruba are not at fault whatsoever. They have to do what is expedient and practical for self. That is what serious people/nations do.

AjanleKoko

The one thing that disturbs me the most about Nigerians is very simple: We as a people[b] don't believe that we can make it via hard, unglamorous work[/b]. For us, it's always going to be a lottery, so we spend all our time and energy playing it. Even in school, Nigerians pass exams but rarely learn anything of value.

@^^ It's so because of our "colonial" history where every "big" man around, never seem to be very "actively" engaged but driving around in "smoky" vehicles . Besides, our early educational institutions did not lay emphasis on "practical(s)" education but on "classics" hence the multitudes of "lawyers" etc in our environment instead of practical vocations appropriate for development/survival. It is no wonder that Nigeria lacks artisans compared to our smaller, less endowed neighbours(countries)- good quality tailors, brick layers,tilers, trained mechanics et al. Our current educational system is sincerely not fit for purpose and have not exactly contributed much to national development. There is a "snob" attribute to university "academic" qualification/certificate to serious "hard" practical/functional training/qualification. Everyone wants to go to university and of course our government is indulging us by building more "glorified" universities of questionable quality. I hope we'll have a change of heart.

ebamma

a cleaner in the uk earns an estimate of 40,000 pounds to 70,000 pounds a year,which in naira is between 10 million to 17.5 million naira.many bankers in Nigeria dont earn upto that.

@^^ That's exactly the mindset of a misguided people where "fantasy and greed" has taken hold . Naija na waoo .

afam4eva

This is probably the only cogent reason why Awolowo could have resisted the temptation for fighting for the independence of the Yoruba race.

@^^ Why would he want to fight for so called independence without consulting the people? Awo was not the only prominent "Yoruba" and I doubt if he had the mandate from "Omo Odua" to launch out or engage in such enterprise. There was never any pressing need to do so anyway, whatever the Igbo or the rest of Nigerians may think/"wish". Self interest/preservation counts a lot. The(Yoruba) decision to remain in Nigeria is actually far more economically rewarding then and now than wanting out especially for the "elite" .

andrewza

I take it you where never in a war. Only those who have never seen the horror of war wish for war.
Those who want to take the farms by force want it for themselves so who is corrupt now.
Have you ever been in zim or spoken to those who came from there. While run companies where taken over by government cronies and ran them down now the local workers there loose there jobs.

And how about this you can not own foreign currency or trade for it but if you want to leave the country you must pay a air port tax in US dollar. If your property is left alone for 3 months it gets confiscated by the state, Illegal miners where driven of a mine with a Hind Assault Helicopter. Should i go on how Zim is ruined thanks to silly leadership.

@^^ Why do you presume that I've never been in war? Besides, do we now assume that because war is horrible etc that we should not fight for justice whatever it may cost? My friend you are trying to sell "fear" and "cowardice" amongst the oppressed so as to maintain the status quo. There is nothing special/unique about dying in war honourably and burying one's head in the sand cowardly like a slave. Have you actually been in a war? I do not consider the so called war/raids by apartheid South Africa into neighbouring vulnerable/hapless Zambia and other countries as serious war involving the citizens of South Africa. South Africans were a "captive" lot hence there was not much of a war(internal) and contrition/fear by the settlers in South Africa. Believe me actual war as ugly as it is have a way of clearing away "rubbish" and innate inferiority complex pervasive amongst the South Africans no matter whatever they may think. It is akin to being an ex slave. It takes many generations for such hang-ups to die away whereas the so called oppressor is forever emboldened and energised. War wipes away such hang-ups whether you won or lost the war. It is therapeutic and cleansing indeed . We cannot run away from it hence the Zimbabweans will forever be proud and[b] emboldened [/b]as full fledged human beings anywhere unlike half baked "hand me down" freedom chanters. You have never been at the receiving end of "white" supremacist terror hence it is impossible for you to empathise. It is not your fault and I do not hold it against you. You are also a "victim" like everyone else around you black or white. Oppression affects everyone- master/slave obliquely.

@Gayigaskia,
I've never doubted that Niger nor for that matter, other African countries are equally as rich/richer than Nigeria . The problem Nigerians have like you have succinctly pointed out is our inherent inability to do the right thing because we are generally incompetent, greedy, unpatriotic, lazy and wicked/self destructive.
Alhj. Mangal was one of the the main financiers/backers of our late President(Yau Adua) from Katsina. Cross border trading/smuggling has always been the main stay of the economic activities of the states bordering Niger, Benin R.P, Chad and the Cameroons. I am happy that things have turned out this way for the so called "clever" Nigerians to learn/understand that we are not that smart let alone clever. I'll love so much to know the views of the "our oil" terrorists, afterall the Nigerien oil is even cheaper and unadulterated too .

andrewza

There where a few ANC members who tried to push for aggressive land redistribution, they did not make it far. It would only lead to civil war [/b]and [b]no smart South African wants to see that war.

@^^ Well, obviously the ANC members were sabotaged because of "softies" and so called "smart" members who have turned out to be very greedy and "turncoats" who never meant well for their own people. Besides, why do you think there'll be civil war? Is it such a bad thing to have it(war) as ugly as it may seem/sound. Nobody ever voluntarily gives up "stolen" property except with some coercion/serious threat to their own existence. The settlers in Zimbabwe learnt that lesson the hard way because they thought they can hold on/out longer with some tacit support from the British. The rest of Europe and the Americans did not exactly sympathise/share in the British "quasi-colonial" interest. Nevertheless, because of the "commitments" of bilateral agreements( not wanting to be seen to break ranks) most of them(EU) and the Americans reluctantly towed the British line. War in whatever guise is never desirable but we cannot rule out its therapeutic and cleansing efficacy of the old system everywhere. The tragedy of South Africans is their inability to act purposefully because of some innate fear of the unknown and the unfortunate presence of Mandela who was promoted, celebrated and foisted on the people because of his inherent "softness" and amenable disposition. He is not a Sobukwe, Biko nor Lithuli either. The Europeans and settlers understand and know what there interests are and know who to use to achieve their ends. They could not do that successfully in Zimbabwe hence the "aggressive" rhetorics/propaganda against the "imperfect" Mugabe. Besides, the Zimbabweans[b] actually[/b] fought a war of liberation which in itself helped to demystify the "power"/status quo holding the majority Africans in abject penury and subservience in their own land. The South Africans want it easy but that is a tall order given the inherent incompetence of the ruling ANC. There is no easy walk to freedom and total liberation without paying a price. It is impossible as long as the intransigence by the settlers about the land issue is allowed to continue. The settlers seem to be unable to understand the good logic of "sharing" or Ubuntu for their own good for the long run. I guess most Europeans/settlers cannot eschew their inherent selfishness and greed. Those settlers in Zimbabwe who had the good sense of "sharing" or giving up some of their lands are thriving and happy too. It is ironic that many runaways(settlers) are heading back to Zimbabwe just like the former Portuguese and so called East African Asians are heading back to Uganda, Tanzania, Kenya, Angola and Mocabique. Why did they have to wait for some drastic actions by the Africans to happen, for them to learn a lesson in the art of respect/sharing or doing things differently?. Only cowards are afraid of "war" or the hard decisions that have to be taken sooner or later. There is nothing smart about intransigence nor postponing effective decisions/policies that ultimately will happen someday whether we like it or not.

shymmex

How are they their ancestral villages?

Do Mahanga, Kakuruk, Maseh and Shong 2 sound Fulani to any of you on here?

That's why Nigerian history is very important. Fulanis are NOT indigenous to Plateau state - and those places are NOT their ancestral villages, but settlements..

Getting them out of the damn place is the only way peace can reign in that state - they also need to be prohibited from coming back near the state.

This action is long overdue - kudos to the STF!

@^^+10000! Well, it is only in Nigeria that the Fulani have such overarching influence and power over a majority(Hausa and other minorities) in the North of Nigeria. They don't even exercise such influence/power in Guinea Conakry, where they have a sizeable population. It is a shame that Nigerians do not have a sense of history let alone knowing how to assert their authority/claims. The Fulani have a better sense of self/history, hence they are very assertive and purposeful when terrorising their hosts everywhere in the so called North from Zaria- Benue- Kwara.
History is not seen as a viable subject in Nigeria because of "economics" of the Nigerian market place. Besides, we do not understand the full importance of History as a nation building/integrative tool for nationhood. Our cynical leadership is lazy and ignorant. They do not have a sense of self/history hence they are disconnected emotionally about the country. It is easier to loot and destroy in such an environment of anarchy/chaos. The Fulani know their history/place in Nigeria because they are the majority of the ruling class/elite in the whole of the North-Kwara despite their actual minority size/status(population).They have effectively conquered the whole North and wish to advance South but Plateau and Benue are the obstacles somehow. Nevertheless, they are making headway as they have Kwara already .

ZIM DRILL

mugabe is a sweet talker but he doesnt emplement things very well no wonder the british supported him to win the elections,for your own infor the freedom fighter in the bush never liked mugabe and mugabe was pushed to be on top in doing so he killed a commader who was liked by the fighters

the british liked mugabe charisma they thought it was easy to deal with that the commander of the fighters hence all these eyes 1980 - 1994 mugabe and the brits were in good books remember they knighted him in 1994

mugabe killed the ndebele people while the british were watching becoz they trusted mugabe than nkomo

@^^ You may be Zimbabwean but I can detect your prejudice against anything "Mugabe" . Was Mugabe really the initiator/responsible for the commander's death? Did Nkomo's well armed and uniformed soldiers(ZAPU) resident in Zambia hoping to unleash their terror, after ZANU must have done the hard work(fighting/dying) do any serious fighting to dislodge the "settlers" UDI? Why would the British prefer Mugabe instead of Nkomo who was already pliable and amenable to "corrupting" bribes by the British? I hope you read/remembered the exasperation/statement made by the American UN representative(Andy Young) who publicly declared that Mugabe was "incorruptible" and difficult to negotiate with and he added that perhaps it is because Mugabe was "trained" by the Jesuits. Everything is not black and white my friend.
How do you know that the fighters never liked Mugabe? Perhaps you think they liked their "commander" or even Edgar Tekere who was far more militant/hot headed than the rest of the ZANU members including Mugabe. I can understand that things did not turn out as some people including your good self wished but we cannot deny the good intent of the project. I wonder what you'll make of the recent declaration(june 28) by the President of RSA(Zuma)- " Land Redistribution" project in South Africa have[b] failed [/b]and have not served its purpose/stalled. I also wonder what some persons on this forum make of such honest statement by the President of RSA? He is actually admitting that RSA may appear "peaceful" for now, but the embers of the fire is still burning and something urgently has to be done or else it will be fire next time. Mandela to some extent have managed to negotiate/keep the lid on things but it'll definitely not be forever. There are too many living aggrieved South Africans(memories) to forget let alone forgive. Land is a very important resource everywhere especially in Africa where there are no structured/organised social security etc. It's very difficult to give up a land/property perceived stolen by many. Sometimes "strong arm" methods are effective in pushing forward policies/actions that are in the long run good for everybody(peace) hence Mugabe's method may not appeal to some of us, nevertheless it did solve long drawn out problems albeit not perfectly for some. Land issues are pervasive all over East-Southern Africa. None have managed to solve the problem except Mugabe(not perfect) . Namibia is also waiting/simmering too. In Nigeria there are several land disputes and the Nigerian "constitution" have not helped matters either. The land Use Act cedes monopoly powers to governors on land acquisition/ownership. As usual the demi-gods(Governors) of the various states, use/abuse the powers vested in them(office) in relation to allocation of Land/certificates. It's sad that we have unfinished business in Africa but most of us are not helping matters at all by not acknowledging some little positive actions in our domain. You obviously do not share Mugabe's methods/sympathies perhaps because you are too young to understand the enormity of the oppression your parents/ adults around you must have witnessed/lived under. Perception of oppression by a different generation actually dictates the kind of responses/the intensity meted out in return for actual/perceived injustice. You cannot wholly blame Mugabe nor Malema for being strident in their actions/oratory.Experience, Worldview and Age matters too.

cap28

cheikh i am really disappointed with some of the things you are coming out with on here.

YOu are doing what many africans do - RATIONALISING the disgusting evil and repugnant behaviour of white people. Many africans have been programmed to make excuses for the abuse that has been meted out to us by europeans, stop doing this its unhealthy and is an indication of lack of self love.

@^^ Oh no! Bros, I am only trying to put things in perspective for those of us naive enough to believe that some contrition from "nazis" and their kith and kin is possible. Sincerely, I do not believe it is possible for them, let alone ever expecting apologies/compensation from incorrigible "enemies" of our people. It is an insult to quantify our sufferings/deaths. It's insane and rather far-fetched to think otherwise. We should be concentrating our energies on how to build our collective strength/know-how, to assuage our present parlous condition(Africa). Looking inwards [/b]for answers will do us some good than constantly seeking approval or recognition from the outside(enemies). I am tired of our constant whining instead of paying attention to what we do to and between ourselves as Africans. As far as I am concerned, I have no business with Oyibo and what they think- "apologies", "compensation", "contrition" or not. It is not about self hate but [b]self Love/realism/self reliance/can do philosophy/worldview.. I hope you appreciate/understand my stance and not judge based on a few NL write-ups. It is the democracy of thoughts/internet I hope. Self love is about what we do/treat/behave towards each other as Africans than some high minded slogans about love and freedom etc. Our behaviour towards each other matters most to me than what Oyibo does. Whatever our detractors/enemies do should be expected because that's how "enemies" or barbarians behave. They do not "play" by the rules because there are none anyway . .

GenBuhari

@cheikh,
listen to yourself!

Nobody needs to "earn" a right to be considered full human being.

It could be argued that it is thinking and mindset such as yours that is holding Africa back!

@^^ Bros, did you not notice that I put "earn" in quotes? Haba! relax . We are all complicit in the so called African conundrum.

@ texazzpete [/b]and[b] maclatunji , Please why do you guys bother replying to lazy, backward and inherently corrupt posters? It's very easy to identify their hang-ups and mentality. They are part of the problem and not the solution for the myriad of problems ravaging Africa- diseases, corruption, inertia, wickedness, mindless consumerism/addictions, wars and pseudo elitism(laziness). They will never appreciate let alone understand your mindset nor thinking. Closed minds are like dead woods in the forests.

Katsumoto

The Yoruba, Hausa/Fulani, Kanuri, Benin, Nupe, etc had centuries of fighting wars with others and amongst themselves. The last Yoruba war, Kiriji, lasted 16 years. But the late comers to wars, Ndigbo, were the ones lacking in the art of war. Perhaps that was why they decided to go to war. But in any case, a rational mind would have been more cautious in making such monumental decisions. The lack of experience in organized warfare was soon laid to bare with the fall of Enugu in less than 3 months of fighting. Seriously, who puts their capital so close to the enemy? That singular mistake ensured that the Biafrans were on the backfoot for the rest of the war except for the ill-advised incursion into the mid-west.

@^^ You may be right about the above but I was alluding to the fact that the South West(Yorubaland) was actually under occupation by so called "federal" armed soldiers mainly northern soldiers(Hausa,Fulani,Kanuri and other northern minorities), therefore it is almost impossible for an AWO or any right thinking person to contemplate rebellion/secession while under total occupation by "Nigeria". Sincerely, it is either foolhardiness and suicide to do so - not good strategy for survival as a viable group. It is better to keep your head down temporarily/survive/ live for another day, get prepared and fight for total liberation than foolish reactionary response to occupation. Awo and his advisers were right then and perhaps now too. The South West like most parts of Southern Nigeria nowadays are like war zones under occupation. Lucky Joe did not show any restraint when he deployed soldiers to occupy Lagos and the Gani Park during the recent fuel subsidy brou ha ha/ gra gra. The leadership in Nigeria has always been quick to use coercion and brute force to intimidate and effect fear/deference. That is our condition/ story as a people.

Katsumoto

The Yoruba, Hausa/Fulani, Kanuri, Benin, Nupe, etc had centuries of fighting wars with others and amongst themselves. The last Yoruba war, Kiriji, lasted 16 years. But the late comers to wars, Ndigbo, were the ones lacking in the art of war. Perhaps that was why they decided to go to war. But in any case, a rational mind would have been more cautious in making such monumental decisions. The lack of experience in organized warfare was soon laid to bare with the fall of Enugu in less than 3 months of fighting. Seriously, who puts their capital so close to the enemy? That singular mistake ensured that the Biafrans were on the backfoot for the rest of the war except for the ill-advised incursion into the mid-west.

@^^ You may be right about the above but I was alluding to the fact that the South West(Yorubaland) was actually under occupation by so called "federal" armed soldiers mainly northern soldiers(Hausa,Fulani,Kanuri and other northern minorities), therefore it is almost impossible for an AWO or any right thinking person to contemplate rebellion/secession while under total occupation by "Nigeria". Sincerely, it is either foolhardiness and suicide to do so - not good strategy for survival as a viable group. It is better to keep your head down temporarily/survive/ live for another day, get prepared and fight for total liberation than foolish reactionary response to occupation. Awo and his advisers were right then and perhaps now too. The South West like most parts of Southern Nigeria nowadays are like war zones under occupation. Lucky Joe did not show any restraint when he deployed soldiers to occupy Lagos and the Gani Park during the recent fuel subsidy brou ha ha/ gra gra. The leadership in Nigeria has always been quick to use coercion and brute force to intimidate and effect fear/deference. That is our condition/ story as a people.

Shymmex

I thought you were Igbo, huh?!?!

If you're, then you're definitely one of the few Igbos on here who call it as it is.

@^^ The topic is about Awo's letter and the contents etc. That's what I hope I was drawing attention to not "tribe" or ethnic jingoism that animate and occupy our consciousness 24/7.
I am an [b]African [/b]first before anything else. That's bigger than anything we may wish to ascribe to our being. The world is about "competition/War". Can we afford to be slack and small minded whereas the rest of the world including fellow Africans are thinking "big" and following it up with positive ACTIONs for their own people?. I am not exactly enamored with Naija like most other Nigerians who make such "spurious" insincere claims about the place or "religion". I am neither Hausa/Igbo/Junkun,Zango-Kataf or Yoruba . Whatever I am does not/must not matter in analysing issues or sharing ideas/ conversations as a human being without prejudice. Part of our weakness as a people is that we tend to let our emotion and prejudice rule over our better judgement. We tend to forget that we are at "War" or in competition with the rest of the world who do not mean us well . Nigeria will perennially be a weak and hopeless "nation" in the eyes of the rest of the world and in our own eyes most importantly, because we let "mundane"(tribe) issues preoccupy our consciousness while a very tiny cynical minority loot/appropriate our so called common wealth. My brother, "truth" does not know "tribe", "colour" or whatever. It is constant and unwavering just like a flowing stream. You can only appreciate/acknowledge it or ignore it at your own peril. War can be very cruel and wicked indeed. We cannot ignore its therapeutic and liberating consequences as well, or else we loose the essence of it all in the first place. It is no wonder some of our people in both sides of the Nigerian divide tend to be very emotional instead of being "cold" eyed in looking at the issues involved in war time(s). If the Igbp were in Awo's situation/position will they behave any different? War is not beautiful and definitely not about sentiments. I guess most Africans especially Nigerians do not really know much about the science/Art of War hence the never ending crude sentiments about Awo's Actions/policy. Effective Decisions have to be made quickly and the luxury of deliberating over "deaths" etc do not matter. War is about destruction and loss of lives etc. It is not a friendly football match. It requires serious study and thinking things through before embarking on such "death wish" because war is death by choice by combatants/actors . I am not sentimental at all about Nigeria let alone about silly emotional tirades of individuals who know nothing about politics and War.

Timehin

Why do some people claimed AWO was against the igbos?

The letter confirmed its the northerners that are anti-igbo and events since then have shown who are their enemies.

@^^ Awo was never against the Igbos. Doing what was expedient and necessary for your own survival during war time(s) does not equate or imply "hate/against" the Igbo. Only lazy immature minds who know nothing about "WAR" or its implications/consequences would think otherwise and want to hang their inherent prejudices/hang-ups on him or policy. It is very convenient to blame him for all manner of ineptitudes inherent in the Nigerian structure. Igbos are noted for bad decisions and pointing fingers at the wrong direction like most other Nigerians anyway . It is a national culture of "living in denial". It is as Nigerian as Pounded yam .

Reference

The truth is that men have more options. Men protect themselves and what they want while women leave it to others to protect them and live in perpetual assumption. Women wake up.

@^^ Gbam+1000 . You are a genius.

@Op
Her marriage is barely a year old and they do not have any children.
(1) What is she doing with a 20yr old maid in the house? I can only conclude that she is a lazy woman without much sensitivity to guide her actions.
(2) The man is a dog and inherently wicked. He is an abuser/exploiter of "power" in relation to the maid. She should leave/divorce him now they do not have any children together else suffer further heartaches in years to come. He does not have any feelings/compassion whatsoever in him for any woman. Cut your losses and run!
(3) I hope she'll learn from this experience and stop being complacent/lazy because of so called "bizy" and job. She should never give up her career/work because of a man but she must not ignore or become complacent about the home front. There is no excuse whatsoever for the man and the woman must not assume the moral high ground either to back her inherent laziness.

ochukoccna

So on point Gbawe.
Only wish the ethnic secessionists will reason this way for their instigators& by extension Masters are in on the booty alongside those muting ethnic expressions.

@^^ If you are a true "democrat", nothing should be off limit for discussion or "sacred". if any group want to breakaway or secede so be it. What is so special or exceptional about anyone wanting to discuss secession or union?. The most important issue is "let's talk" or have a conversation. We should not preclude anything at all, otherwise it defeats the purpose of a true honest conversation for national unity, progress or otherwise if we so wish. Nothing should be held sacred to talk about.

Gbawe

Ordinary Nigerians are being duped by their wealthy 'local champions'. There is no basis , in factual context, for[b] "our oil" [/b]or "we feed Nigeria" [/b]arguments when majority of Nigerians (perhaps as many as 90% or more) benefit very little from the Nation's oil wealth. All these feudalistic claims should be levelled at the elite ruling class, from all corners of Nigeria, and not fellow ordinary Nigerians who enjoy similar levels of poverty and , if we are politically sophisticated, should ordinarily be allies whether they are from an oil producing State or not.

[b]The only folks benefitting from Nigeria's oil wealth, and indeed other sources of national income, are those involved with Governance. Will it take Nigerians a million years to gain the sophistication to see that? We are better off challenging the status quo that condemns most Nigerian, regardless of their State of origin, to common poverty and dearth of development instead of feudalistically viewing other ordinary Nigerians as our enemies. Our callous and greedy leaders, from all Nigerian States, are the enemies. We must seek to force them to give us a better deal. Aregbesola is correct here.

@^^ Gosh . Gbam+1000. You are a genius. You really give me some hope in our people.

obowunmi

National conference will only mask the real issues.

@^^ Please what are the real issues?
Why are we so afraid to talk or have a conversation as a people? What is it that we are afraid of?

PhysicsQED[/b

]I was initially stunned to read that Nigeria did not have an equivalent of the U.S.'s NSF until this very administration and [b]I wondered what was wrong with the brains of the people that Nigerians had allowed to govern the country.

@^^Do you sincerely think "Nigerians" are ignorant of the right thing to do? You have to have some "conception" of "Nation"/"self" first, otherwise bad unpatriotic decisions will be made constantly without qualms/scruples. Most so called Nigerians have no [b]emotional connection to the place(Nigeria). The so called ruling/power elite genuinely "love" Nigeria because of the opportunities(looting) not because of some spurious mundane nationalism. Cynicism and deliberate ignorance is the norm.

PhysicsQED[quote]I was initially stunned to read that Nigeria did not have an equivalent of the U.S.'s NSF until this very administration and I wondered what was wrong with the brains of the people that Nigerians had allowed to govern the country.[/quote]


@^^Do you sincerely think "Nigerians" are ignorant of the right thing to do? You have to have some "conception" of "Nation"/"self" first, otherwise bad unpatriotic decisions will be made constantly without qualms/scruples. Most so called Nigerians have no emotional connection to the place(Nigeria). The so called ruling/power elite genuinely "love" Nigeria because of the opportunities(looting) not because of some spurious mundane nationalism. Cynicism and deliberate ignorance is the norm.

lagcity

IF, IF, WOULD, WOULD, ALMOST ALMOST. Excuses Excuses

@^^ Concentrate on the positive and not the usual backward negative of finding faults in others where there are none. Think positive bro.

logica

There, you should lay the blame on the European and American owners of these companies. Has it occurred to you that the best and brightest are lured away from this country, and they mostly end up frustrated and do not usually reach their potentials abroad, while the same people luring them away are sending their own to this country as expatriates? How can we have brain-drain and simultaneously have a high count of expatriates? You answer the question and you figure out the problem.

@^^ I can't believe that you said that^. Your posts are generally very interesting. The world is about competition/WAR. Onlytruth have given you some insight about our problems/solutions. We are inherently lazy, wicked/"backward thinking"/ uncreative, unadventurous and generally inept. We are usually excited/animated by mundane issues like religion, sex, tribe, intangibles like imported motor vehicles, foreigners(oyibo/indians) and private jets( our presidential fleet is 10 jets) for a country that cannot make a bicycle and no electricity. It is sad indeed. Please don't blame Euro-Americans for our ineptitude and incapacity to do the right thing most of the times. Blackman wake up .

@Op

Thanks to AjanleKoko, Onyocha, Wallie, Violent and ndu_chucks for enlightening me(us) on the fundamentals-"locus standi" and the so called legal implications for our quasi constitution/CBN without sentiments. Much appreciated my brothers/sisters. Anyway, the struggle for accountability/clarity of our constitution by our corrupt law makers continues . You kept the explanations simple and concise. I am not against any kind of banking. It's the law and constitution that is the issue.

@Op

She's cute and deserves every good thing that comes her way . Her style is on point! No unusual unreal looking Brazilian or Peruvian or Indian hair piece. Her hair style befits the dress/shoes and occasion. She does have good taste, very stylish and understated indeed without "shouting".

@Op

She's cute and deserves every good thing that comes her way . Her style is on point! No unusual unreal looking Brazilian or Peruvian or Indian hair piece.