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laudate:
Oya, post the link to support your claims so we can verify it. Or you simply expected us to take your word for it, when we know it is most likely to be untrue?

How come all the other Yoruba people on NL have not been re-posting it? Obviously, they know it is fake.

Stop trying to dictate to the Igalas who they should align with, or what direction their collective destiny should take. You are the one poking your long nose into the affairs of the Igala, when they have not asked you to help them chart their way. Your Great Igbo nation is yet to figure out how to get Biafra. So save your tears for them.

Hahahahaha
You're still crying about our decision to guarantee Igala independence from any external influence
Lemme make very very clear to you Mr man

We the Great Igbo Nation would always guarantee the independence of the Igala,just like the US does that of Taiwan from China. We'd not support anything short of independence for them, moreover I know the Ata himself won't be interested in any Odua stuff
Keep crying bro!

gregyboy:
incorrect during biafra we massacred the benins who couldnt identify themselves as benin or speak benin,the ibos the hausa etc who were not benins to keep our pple save

You're still saying what I said earlier... Your Bini people killed up to 5000 Igbos(of course Anioma are Igbos) btwn Benin city and agbor with a further two thousand in sapele and warri
See Anioma at this point in time doesn't need that useless brotherhood with Bini people. With the passage of time,we'd either Igbonize Benin city itself or cut off whatever links Benin has to the East

laudate:
See this one! So Igala issues are now to be dictated by the Igbo, according to you? Let me laugh very well in Greek, first!

You claim the map was made by a Yoruba person - Oya, post the url link & source so we can verify. You & your ilk are capable of faking anything, so I wouldn't put it past them to have faked this map.

If you have gone through most of the Yoruba threads on NL, those chaps have always advocated for a region that consists only of Yoruba-speaking people. They are not land-grabbers like you and your IPOB-ian ilk, from what I have seen here. In fact, they declined to add Itsekiri to their list in one of their threads, despite the linguistic similarities that exist between their languages. Now, you want the rest of us who have followed their discussions closely, to believe that they would draw a map and include non-Yoruba areas in it, when even the old Mid-Western region advocated for their people to be carved out of the Western region in the early '60s? Who are you trying to deceive, biko??

I don't know if the Odua are pissed by your position, you would have to ask them. But as a non-Odua I am certainly disgusted by the fact that you feel you can dictate the collective destiny of a whole ethnic group like the Igalas. Why not let them decide for themselves who they want to align with or what they want to be?? The Igala do not need your so-called support to align with whomever they choose! The Yoruba and Igbo should let them be!

Finally, you are the one who cannot speak Igbo, as your written Igbo is atrocious! You have not met me in real life & yet you feel I cannot speak Igbo?? Let me guess, your keyboard whispered it to you! Why on earth would I want to influence you by making a comment in Igbo? Influence you to achieve what? Honestly, you are too ridiculous for words! Just say that you need lessons in Igbo, so that I can recommend a tutor for you! Others who can read and write Igbo, have not made the same complaint you have done about any phrases I have used on NL.

I got that map from Facebook... A Yoruba posted it in a group so all I did was just download it.

Whatever else you say or try to say,it'd not change my original premise which is that egbuchagodu Igbo nile,Igbo ka foro n'Igala.
Cry from now till tomorrow the position of the Great Igbo Nation won't change....the best you can do is to keep pokenosing into our affairs like you've always done

laudate:
How is Igala your business, that you now have the guts to decide their destiny for them? You are an Igbo person dictating to the Igala what their fate should be. Hehehe.... honestly your silliness knows no bounds.

You do not know who I am or what ethnic group I come from, so don't even try to pin any labels on me. And contrary to your claims, I am not Igbophobic. I am just against the lies, petty propaganda and deceit that you and your ilk continually dish out, in your bid to make other people look like villains.

Now, hear me well - I am anti-IPOB (i.e. those whose directors have instructed them to kill other ethnic tribes, because they feel violence is the only way to get their new republic); I am anti-tribalism, anti-hatred, anti-propaganda, anti-violence, anti-anything or anyone that pulls others down, or denigrates them with lies and hate-filled vitriolic rhetoric, just so they can spread their own peculiar form of venom. Get it?

For your information, I do not only pass comments about the Igbo. I pass comments on the Yoruba, Edo, Igala, Efik, Ijaw etc., threads - but one thing I do not do, is to dictate to them what direction their collective destiny should take, like you have decided to do for the Igala, using your fake map! Pùạ n’ebe à.

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Enyi, like I told you... Igala issues concern us, just as Igbo issues concern them. The only outsider here is you who's neither Igbo nor Igala
The map whether its fake or not is not my wahala....the map was made by a Yoruba and the map recognizes all Yoruboid and Edoid peoples which I don't have issues with. The only thing am saying is that the Great Igbo nation won't support the Igala being in whatever Odua ish they're forming. Its natural as an odua person to be pissed by my position but I don't give a damn.
As for your infantile pranks of inserting Igbo phrases(when you can't even speak the language) into our discussion, you look so funny doing that and I can imagine childish you're thinking that'd influence me in any way

gregyboy:
the ibos migrated from benin so benin should thought in igbo land not the other way round

Nope...I firmly believe there's no connection btwn Igbo and Idu but if you want that connection then its natural the house of Benin is Igbonized.
So you claim we're from Bini yet during the Biafran war of independence you massacred so many Anioma people in Benin city and Warri. That's one of the reasons I support the restoration of Biāfra... At least whatever remaining links Igbos have to Benin would be cut off.
Till then,keep deceiving yourself that Igbos came from Idu

gregyboy:
yea big one when the blacks to europe they left der language thier culture everything behind and adopted the european lifestyle even there talking even in nigeria north edo thats they estako who are from the benis dont speak benin dont dress in benin attire dont even worship as a christans but muslim and dey still claim benin as there ancestral home so what do have to say to that they didnt actually migrated from benin

We're talking about Great Igboland you're talking about Echako if Igbos truly migrated from Idu like you claim,support the motion for the teaching and learning of Igbo in Benin city... At least it'd be dubbed that the Bini are returning to their roots.
Igboland has experienced three migratory movements which led to the formation of certain places. These movements are the Owere movement(500-800AD), Isu movement(800-1000AD) and Nri movement(900-1100AD).

1stCitizen:
I am a patroitic citizen of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. My business is one Nigeria.Deal with that. Any preeq heads like you dancing to the tune of treason will face the same fate of those that tried it between 6 July 1967 – 15 January 1970

Really??
Its not hard to spot demons who live by feeding on the blood of Igbos
Don't think that this is 1967 kos you'd be in for a rude awakening. Anybody claiming to be patriotic to Nigeria is deceiving himself and am happy that our people the children of Great Igboland are slowly realizing that.
When the time comes,you'd watch me dance treasonously and you'd not do jack...till then, wait for me to manifest like the rising sun

gregyboy:
hahaha......who won learn am u or the igbos in benin

To further buttress the fact that they came from Bini... How can you claim they migrated out of Idu when nobody in Idu speaks Igbo... Does it make sense to you?

laudate:
You are asking what concerns me with Igala? Because you have appointed yourself their spokesman? What did you just say - "I'd rather have Igala become ....gini??!" See who is talking...!! Obviously, you believe you are the one best appointed to speak for them, ba? Only God knows who drew that map, but till now no Yoruba person on this thread has come up to say that ethnic group should be included in their south-western homeland, so why are you taking panadol for the headache of the Igala people?

Did your kinsmen hold a meeting with the Attah of Igala and his cabinet on whether they should become an independent principality or not? Isn't this something the Igala people should decide on their own or by themselves? Who gave you the authority to decide who the Igala choose to partner with? And what gives you the right to dictate if they should be an independent principality or not? Can't you just leave them out of your permutations??!

If the Igala decide to stay on their own or team up with any other ethnic group, it is none of anybody's blinking business!! Neither yours', nor mine! So face your IPOB-ian issues, biko nu!

Now you know... Igala is our business. I know you're not igala,so I wonder your ish with my postulations We've igala in Anambra and Igbos in southern igala and you say we should not look into their affairs
Am not surprised though... Your Igbophobic nature has made it that you no longer know when to stop. Once you see its Igbo you don't look you just leap
Ndo

1stCitizen:
Oh! No wonder they are raising Children who turn out to be political illiterates, thinking the delusion of a separate republic will ever come to fruition.

I don't even see how that's even your problem
A nation that's 40M strong has decided that their homeland should no longer be part of this barbarian shithole called Nigeria and you're here foaming in the mouth like an epileptic
Igbos crave independence and they'd get it...in the meantime face your business!!

BornStunner1:

AS LONG AS YOU STAY IGBO YOU ARE ALSO BENIN!!

Why not institute the teaching of Igbo in Benin city...at least its not wrong if Bini people learn the language their ancestors spoke

BornStunner1:
LÀHO!!
BIKO!!
PLEASE!!

I JUST BEGGED YOU IN 3 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES ( EDO>IGBO>ENGLISH)

GIVE US IGBO GIRLS ALL OF THEM AND DONT YOU DARE LEAVE OUT YOUR SISTER BECAUSE I WANT HER TOO!!

Naughty guy
What happened to your Bini women
See Igbo women are the future of Igboland, our wives, our sisters,our mothers and we'd not leave them for you. Instead of leaving them for you, we'd rather institute polygamy so they can go round again.
I don't deny the fact that some portions of the Western Igbo cultural sphere migrated from Benin, but have you considered the possibility of Idu(that's what we call Benin in Igbo) being established by Igbos
One of my friends is currently researching this and from his results, the first ogiso came from the East with his followers and established Igodo,probably around the same time the Ogeles established Agbor.
Anyway, I'd rather the Yoruba have Idu... As posited by makers of this Izoduwa/Oduduwa map. Take a look

Travisiyke:
Shebi na Igbos


I wonder who will rule their Biafra with their type of brain
I makwa ihe?!

In Igboland, women have no say in politics

In as much as this is funny, its a very serious issue... Our girls these days are dumb,and social media is getting them dumber by the day. All they now know is to become dogs on snapchat and pose for likes on Facebook without upgrading their mental faculties.
My only pain is for our children tomorrow who'd be trained by these useless girls

Ngozi123:
I agree. This will go a long way to building the bridges between the Western Igbos and their Eastern brethren. Once we've done this, maybe we could also try and canvass for a similar arrangement for the Igbos in Rivers State, excluding the Ikwerre.

I feel its OK to leave Rivers just the way it is...the only I'd suggest we do about rivers is to retrieve those areas carved into the state in 1976 and this implies the loss of oyigbo, ogba/egbema/ndoni, opobo and andoni LGs with the first two going to Abia and Imo and the last two going to akwa ibom state.
As long as we're in Nigeria, these insults would continue

mKc9ET:
He is the one hating, we are hating back bcoz he is a tairant

School eeh

Ngozi123:
Thank you. This was all that I asked him and he has yet to give me a good answer. It's not like we don't have some people in these communities who have Bini sounding names so why didn't Eze Chima keep his Bini name if he was a full-blooded Bini man?

Seriously the thing baffles me...that's how one Yoruba guy like that was making claims that Yoruba was spoken in Benin city while Bini was spoken in the surrounding areas. The way these guys make spurious claims without backing it up makes me feel they think we're idiots!!
How can someone leave Benin and his name suddenly changed from Bini to Igbo without him being Igbo previously
That's why am rooting for Anioma state and urge all Igbos whether East or West to support Anioma state creation so that all these infantile insults would cease

Cire80:
The names of all the founders of Bini founded Anioma Kingdoms are Edoid. Only one that sounds Igboid is Ezechime. Ezechime was originally Ikhime but was corrupted to Ezechime.

Hmmm
Corrupted by who
Broz take am easy na dey formulate some of these kind yarns
All the books on Anioma history I've read call him Ezechimæ(that æ letter I used is for variability depending on whether you call him ezechima or ezechime).
The question everyone is asking which I'd join to ask is how did their names change from Edoid names like we see in Edoid languages eg urhobo, ishan, Bini to Igboid languages eg ika or even ikwere?
What changed their names from Bini to Igbo?

Cire80:
Many groups in the North of Nigeria are fast losing their language to Hausa including the almighty Fulani. Some parts of Edo speak Yoruba as a second language and bear Yoruba names but they have nothing to do with Yoruba (Etsako, Ighara), many non Igbo minority groups in Bayelsa and rivers speak Igbo and their language; some of these places are fast losing their language and speaking only Igboid languages. Do you think it's difficult for a language like Igbo to influence the language of minority groups around them? Check Anioma languages and culture, you'll notice that the important Bini words that has to do with tradition and culture are still retained.

ogidi was ruling over Anioma? You people are very funny.

Yes its not related to the one in Anambra state... Its a different one and it was destroyed around 1500. Some Anioma people call it Igidi
Concerning the bold part, can you give names of places so that I can verify?

gregyboy:
my friend either u confused or u ignorant or jelous
take a look at it emeke ezeguna attend my sec sch i.e greater tomorrow in benin gra. we were classmate and we only knew then he was a prince somewere then in skul we asked if he was next inline to the throne he said no he has an elder bro who bcame the king now then in skul he loves hearing the benin histories anytime we saying it he will always tell us is fathers were from the benins there was even a time in the hostel he fought we some spritual forces at night in the hostel while everybdy was asleep woke up to hear the story the next morning. The truth is if the british didnt stop the oba the way it was going the oba would have conqured the full nigeria live or take it

Conquer the whole Nigeria
Nwanne jiri nwayo nātu asi bikō
The Bini were already in a state of decline long before the Brits buried them in 1897. The Anioma had already defeated them in the great Ubulu war of 1755 and expelled them from Anioma,ending their almost two centuries of occupying Anioma land. .
I'd say the power the British checked and destroyed were the Aro to the East... Had the Brits not come, Arochukwu would've conquered the SE&SS even as far East as Cameroon

BornStunner1:
Of course they went there with thier names
Of course they met people there
They created kingdoms but did not force benin languages down the throat of the people

Do you understand now?

By this premise you now agree that Igbos lived in Benin city..kos if they were Bini, at least their names would've showed it just as the name of the founder of the ishans show he's originally Bini.
Moreover they're Igboid not Edoid... No body in Anioma is Edoid

Cire80:
I'm from Anioma and you don't tell me my history. There are Igbos in few Anioma communities before the the Binis came but it was only few communities. Take a tour around Anioma Kingdoms and ask the locals where there founders came from. I hate speculation or talking without evidence.

The founders can be from anywhere bro...what matters is the identity of the person and the identities show they're all Igbo,from Ezechima of the Onicha group to Ezemu of the Ubulus to the Ogeles of Agbò
Moreover history has it that before ewuare's reign in 1440, Igbos made up of half of Benin's population but by the end of his rule in 1473, the Igbo population had fled East resulting in the collapse of Ogidi kingdom that was ruling over Anioma then. These newcomers then established new statelets thereby introducing Bini political systems to these areas.
If they were Bini like you claim,what happened to the most important part of their identity which is Bini language?

Cire80:
case of Lagos is different. I've been to Isele Uku and talked with indigenes. Igbo is a major language so it can easily influence some people around them. And Igbos have high population and have a way of trying to igbonize everything they come in contact with and they seem to succeed most times. I'm saying this from experience.

Can you explain more on this experience you're talking about with examples to back it up?

AkinPhysicist:
Igbos have no kings - this is a fact of Igbo culture. So the throne you talk about is questionable.

A throne established in 948AD is what you say is questionable?? A throne that's at least 500 years older than your Oyo stuff and at least 300 years older than Benin's monarchy is what you call questionable
Anyway as long as Igbos are part of Nigeria they'd continue to receive insults from nthe likes of you

laudate:
Bia, remove Igala from your discussions... sharp-sharp!

What concerns you with igala?
Lemme repeat it again to your hearing.... I'd rather have Igala become an independent principality under the Ata than have it join whatever Yoruba ish you guys are preparing.
I don't mind Yoruba control in the former Midwest excluding Anioma but AlaIgala is an area I'd not tolerate that mobu ya di na njikere maka agha okpu nihi ya

laribari:
Indeed!! So Na you understand God and know His ways to the point that He told u Nigeria has lost His grace and boko haram didn't consume us! He also told you that nothing can ever work and you also know that because you know His ways. You preach to me that no one knows God' ways yet you contradict yoursef.

If you don't understand scriptures, seek help. I chose my words carefully by saying God does not encourage division unless He is asking godly people to come out of the ungodly. However, I explained that Nigeria is different becos we have godly people in the west, north, east and south who call on God. Nigeria is a nation God has His hand on, else Ebola would have consumed us. Just name the challenges, we over came them and th recession will not be different just watch!

The people of babel adopted a strange god in the form of a tower and worshiped it by abandoning God almighty, He had to divide them so that opinions will change and Christianity will be preserved becos in those days the people were one and idol would have reigned forever if He didn't scatter them.

God doesn't scatter His own people but chastise them but the people of babel were into idolatry. If that their tower does not affect their standing with God, do you think He will act? .

Abeg study bible more before you dey come talk to me about God because I'm not babe in God's word, which is why I doubt that prophet.


Canaanites didn't know God and they weren't Israelite as Israel starte with Jacob. Canaan was a son of Ham and Israel is of shem. Before God, only Israel are God's people and He gave them the land of Canaan. Besides, all those are old testament but in christ, the approach of God has changed. Israel is the only nation on earth with certificate of occupancy (C of O) because He was the one that carved out the landscape that Israel occupies today.

As for Anioma, I'm so proud and I won't argue with you on that.

Enyi,
Those contradictions I gave you is just prove to you what God himself meant by "am a loving God but also a consuming fire". I've never claimed to understand God and I can never understand him bkos o bu ihnye loro ihnye loro abadi
God acts on how he wishes to...you can't tell him what to do except you've the type of relationship Abraham and David had with him.
You said God doesn't scatter his people?? What happened to the Jews after the destruction of the first and second temples
There are godly people everywhere... But it doesn't stop God from executing judgement on a place if he wants to...check the case of Lot viz a viz Sdom & Gomorrah. All he does is to extract them from the place before judgement starts. Also check during the Jewish war(66-70AD), the Roman armies laying siege to Jerusalem suddenly withdrew and the Jewish militias thought they had won..but the Jewish Christians among them understood that sign as a fulfilment of Yeshua's prophecy that whenever they see Jerusalem ringed by armies, they should know that the time is near and anyone inside Jerusalem should run to the mountains. Immediately all the Jewish Christians left Jerusalem, the Roman armies came back to Jerusalem, reinforced the siege, took the city and sold every one in Jerusalem into slavery! So that godly people are present doesn't stop God from executing judgement, all he does is to give them a way of escape!
Am happy you're Anioma... I hope you're not those Idu Anioma that makes Anioma look stupid before Nigerians?? moreover my fervent wish is that Anioma state is created so that the confusion plaguing our Western Igbos would stop..and I know the Lord would grant me that wish
Dalu

laribari:
Obviously you are a biafran an your words say so. Mind you I'm delta igbo but I'm not stupid.

Did you say Koreans are trying to unite? Hahahahaha!! That's the height of your ignorance because they will never as long as south korea is a friend of America and Pyongyang (north korea) will continue to see south as their enemies. They are trying to unite? Please what sign can you show for this?

I asked you wisely! Can you compare solvenia, Croatia or Bosnia to Germany in terms of where they are today or as prosperous? Why I Bosnia not part of E.U by now?

You are fooling yourself and God is not an author of confusion. The people that have divided were by men and not God. In fact America I will happily conduct a referendum for Nigeria if we ask them, after all that is their plan.

It's all about men and not God mind you and its for selfish reasons. God only ask believers to depart from unbelievers we saw with Egypt and Israel. As for Nigeria, God's people are in the north, west, south and East. So keep fooling yoursef there you hear.

All the senate presidents in this country before now, were they not igbos? What did they do in the east? Is there any law passed that didn't go through the Senate? Be fooling yoursef there and build false hope.

Am just being realistic...unlike you I don't hinge my hopes on utopia, kos reality is always there to give me a rude awakening.
So you're Anioma I bet you're of the mould as nzeogwu who by his acts of trying to be more Catholic than the Pope initiated a process that landed Igbos(your Anioma people inclusive) where we're today. And funny enough your people shamelessly try to escape from the shit by claiming that they're not Igbo but Delta Igbo. Nwanne, you need to wake up and smell the coffee!!
Nigeria isn't working and can never work.
Don't talk like you know God kos a creature can never understand its creator... He loved us to the extent of sending Yeshua to us but didn't hesitate to tell the children of Israel to commit genocide once they enter Canaan. He's not an author of confusion but didn't hesitate to confuse the builders of Babel that they had to abandon their work and scatter to the four winds of the earth.
Nigeria has lost God's grace and is living on borrowed time and from what am seeing, nothing I mean nothing would move back the hands of time on Nigeria's case

laribari:
The only thing I can say is that men of God should be very very careful when they quote God in terms of prophecies. God is not man and His ways are not ours.

God in the bible has sent a prophet to send death notice to someone and when the person (Ahab) prayed and repented, God reversed His word and sent the same prophet again to the man that the death has passed over him but will move to his coming generation (becos God's word can't go unfulfilled).

I'm a very godly person who pays close attention to the things of God and I have seen many prophecies fail. Not becos God lied but many things can change what was said. God deal with the now and as long as you repent you have a good chance to avert His wrought.

I find many things contradicting. A young messiah will come only to divide this nation becos his stint will be short. Then again young generals in military will overthrow the government. When?

This means Atiku will become president but will fail too according to the prophecy since he is not the messiah. So what makes him different from buhari then?

I don't believe God is interested in the break up of this country, else it would have gone since. Countries that have broken up are never the same again. Eg: Sudan and Congo. Since their well organized split what d they achieve? Haven't there been war against each other despite breaking up?

Check out south and north Koreans the hate and cold war btw them. Check out Russia and Ukraine, what hatred they share.
All the nations who break out of Yogoslavia and czechcoslovakia, how many are a real prosperous nation in the category of other western E.U countries?

Once you split, you are finished especially the minority abi why do you think west and east Germany re-united? They are stronger today! Why do you think pound sterling is very powerful today? It is becos of the UK (nations coming together). Why do you think USA is the most powerful nation today? 1. They are group of states (nations with diff state policies) coming together as a nation. 2. They adopt every other nationals through visa lottery to add to their strength.

Today, China is the most populated country, yet most prosperous nation today and they are united. The two Koreans nations cannot match them.

So this young messiah will come and destroy Nigeria by dividing her into smaller groups abi? I see!!

If the authenticity of this story is tied to jonathan losing becos it was prophecied, then it falsehood.

I agree that a messiah will come but not to divide the country, I find that funny.

It is almost common knowledge that Nigerians will vote buhari out in 2019 like they did to goodluck if things don't improve. Even buhari wife said she won't vote her husband.

If Jonathan contest for L.G chairman in his village will all the money he has, he probably will win. It's strange to say he won't win any election in Nigeria again after he was already president.

What other position will he descend so law to contest for again? Na from person dey go naa! You can't go front and want to come back again. How many head of state (local and international) have you seen contest again?

Well if he was referring to office presidency. In this country once your time passes, you almost will never enter again even though you have served well. Normally, those who have seen it all as civilian president don't bother about coming back

Your kinda people talk without looking at the facts of each case
Lemme ask you a question... Have you seen where its said that a homogeneous nation with long history and strong culture has secessionist tendencies
Check all the examples you gave as failures...they're heterogeneous states. Koreans are one people that were divided by the second world war but they're trying to unite..Germany and Vietnam were in the same shoes Korea is today, but they've long reunited.
Since the Yugoslav Republic broke apart, have you heard of secessionist tendencies in Slovenia or Croatia or even Serbia?? You might wanna mention Bosnia but let's not forget that unlike Serbia or Croatia, Bosnia is composed of Croats, Muslims and Serbs.
I'd always chose a small homogeneous country that's working to a large heterogeneous country that's unworkable.
If its God's will that Nigeria should scatter to the four winds let his will be fulfilled. I don't give a crap about that giant of Afrika shit you all hype yourselves with even when you know the country has never worked and will never work!!

Ihnye a bu nsogbu ndi otu hopeathand nēbutere anyi

The way Yoruba people twist and tell lies ehh you'd think that the devil is pursuing them..that's how one lawany guy was claiming that in the Benin empire(1440-1897),yoruba was spoken in Benin city itself while Bini was spoken in the rural areas .
Sometimes I wonder if these Yorubas think we the other Nigerians are just fools