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About the various laws of life--that was my way of asking you about them; but in your convenient time. Judging by how life seems so complicated; vast and endless--in surprises, l bet the laws ought to be endless as well! so it might be a lenghty explanation to do!

ln order to learn from you--inultimately! as you may want it--l assume the place of someone going to the stream with an empty jar! l know alot of things are not done the way they are supposed to! so for me, no offence at all. you dont need to say sorry, so, sorry to someone else! thanks alot

ln time l wish to know about this laws of life which you introduced--love economy, interferance cause and effect etc.
l didnt remember to tell you about this insight l got! you mentioned the word 'levitation' in one of your explanations the day before yesteday, l got wondering what it means as l hadn't came accross it before, l slept curious that day --not sure if l did my exercise, plus l didnt wanted to ask you again-- and in a dream or whatever it is, l saw a green plastic plate suspended in the air(may be l did it or maybe not)! in the morning it made more sense after some 'googling'

In my dreams l do stuffs l can call levitation; l cross electric poles; building sand sometimes mountings, but with quite some effort. this can't be soul travel but levitation--could it be so?
l'm supposed to be light in soul travel and fly effortlessly--but in this case there were limits, but then levitation here has got to do with physical objects or could it still hold true even if out of the body or with etheric and other bodies--levitation?

, thanks, still about speaking in tongues, is it genuine even if the speaker doesn't understand what he/she is saying? sometimes l get tense and mutter words from deep down which l dont understand,

in church you are asked to speak out after you might have 'accepted christ' and as such expect the baptism of the Holy Spirit, thereby told to speak in 'other tongues'

For me it was just for formality at first. As time went on it started turning normal and maybe real!, perhaps l just got used to it: :/, l rarely do it now only when its so spontenous and deep--but l dont know what am saying!

, about 'discipline on spiritual matters' (sorry still not able to insert quotes on mobile) can you please explain what it means and entails.

secondly, what is the place of the spoken word in spirituality? also the place of Tongues as in christianity? l'll like to get a hint of their impact on an individual. whether speaking in tongues is another attribute of soul.

Emotions! how do they influence phenomina? also intimacy emotions(as in physical or mental), what are A couple or individual really doing/sharing apart from the physical sensual effects ie spiritually or both if neccessary! whats it advantage and disadvantage?  thank you

l got questions pls. (, having problem quoting) , 'phsychic powers' , what do they mean and really comprise of? also 'vibration' , could you shed light on it ?  and l hope 'life force' in this term is the holy spirit--the Eck?

dear benodic, every thing is getting clearer now. in some weird way it always feels like l knew these things somehow. l know you care and won't want me to go the 'manipulation' way, l promise not to do that! Thanks for shedding light into all these things.

Good day benodic. there was this comment you made about thoughts; that they are real, and could happen to someone if one concentrated.
l have been thinking about this statement for a while; and encountered some writings that allude to your statement--about reality of thoughts.

My question is why has it got to be so?, can't some one just fantasize abstractly, and just, waive it aside just to relax?, l do this quite alot, can't say
for sure those things l thought/fantasized about happened :/

Eckankar teaches thoughts are real, thereby there is contemplation! well, in my case l'm the one talking to my self: ever got any problem solved in those time of fantasizing?, well no :/. or perhaps my question should have to be: what is the a-z of this Thoughts Reality? what is the logic? how do you know what you doing (sic) thinking is contemplation and its the real, deep one?

For someone who hadn't any prior view of any spiritual world or maybe remembrance of it, don't you think they will only be bringing up there own thought into play and view it as spiritual, l for example do want to contemplate about some heaven; but keep seeing visuals of it like l saw in some movie, you see!

Finally, after you might have done the explanations to these questions, can you please explain how to consciously do it so it will work, magicians in my little understanding use this method, but they undoubtedly use some rituals or spiritual powers to cause Thoughts to happen. ordinarily is that possible?, seems so from that statement you made!

okay; l said finally, now:Additionally! l have kept this one on the low for some time now; l know your advice will be in "do not to delve into" format--not to worry' that I've been doing but am Sagittarius! spiritual thinks fascinate me a lot! so am fascinated by Magic :} what is its origin, as in: God or Satan, which spiritual plane? what is Eckankar's idea about it?

benodic:
@ chieveboy the Jehovah that christians worship is actually the deity that is in charge of the 3rd heaven and below. These heavens are still within the worlds of duality where you have good and bad. That is why you find jehovah exhibiting negative emotions like anger, jealousy etc. The almighty God dwells in the pure spiritual heaven where there are no opposites. Only pure truth and love. The unique thing about Eckankar is that we are not asking you to believe what we say. Through the spiritual exercises you will be able to stand before the throne of Jehovah and see him for yourself. Then you can judge for yourself whether he really is the almighty God or not. In Eckankar, there are no speculations, no arguments, just experience which is the best teacher.

, Agreed its unique--Eckankar!, but l guess its too sensitive to admit that Jehovah is not to be worshiped? and l ask again was he supposed to be worshiped or prayed to? is he the one who answers prayers, in place of God?

benodic:
@ chieveboy

Elohim or Jehovah is incharge of the Lower Universes of God. He is not the Supreme God. The Supreme God dwells in the Ocean of love and Mercy, in the very heart of creation and is totally formless and does not have a throne nor angels bowing and singing to it talkless of having beings that want to topple it from power.
All those stuff in the "third age" are lower worlds phenomenon and does not interest us Eckists. Our goal is to rise above the lower universes and become one with the Holy Spirit thereby becoming channels for the Holy spirit.

thanks

Good day benodic! thanks for the response, it was very helpful--l think not knowing what to make of certain situations is what results to all of those troubles of the heart!

l had wanted to ask earlier about this 'Jehovah' you talked about. You know Christians have songs about this particular person or spirit, we praise him, we say we adore him, we thank him and most importantly pray to him!, Christianity or the bible in certain aspect of it say he is God--that "Jehovah" is God's name!

don't tell me this Jehovah is not to be accorded all of those, cos it will be so funny !, a song goes: "who is greater than Jehova Elshadai?", "no one" of course is the answer--accordingly! next time am in a church; and as l get more knowledge and enlightenment, l know a lot of those additions and excesses will end, and some stuffs which l believe are "added"--and yet preached as the truth will(as they say) enter through this ear, and go out through the other"!

please l need to know your knowledge about this being, whether he has the right to be prayed to or worshiped, the answer seems to be "no" considering Eckist's goal of sidelining him, and seeking to go "higher".

hey benodic !, it had been an awkward day--on my mind-- but its feels safer and promising after l read your past responses to people, thanks alot man!

ps: earlier on in the day, l sent you a mail to benodic@yahoo.com, l saved your mail for moments like that.

, i'm on mobile! @ovam. john 1-3 "in the beginning was the WORD, the WORD was with God, and the WORD was God, --foundationally!

galatians 3:16 "now to abraham and his SEED were the promises made. he does not say " and to seeds" as of many, but as of one, " and to your seed" who is christ.

galatians 3 26-29 " for you are all sons of God through faith in christ jesus. 27 for as many were baptised into christ have put on christ, 29 and if you are christ's , then you are abrahams SEED, and heirs according to the promise.

galatians4:7 "therefore you are no longer a slave but a SON. and if a son, then HEIR OF GOD through christ.

ephisians 2:5-6 "even when we were dead in tresspasses, made us alive TOGETHER with christ ( by grace you have been saved), 6: and raised us TOGETHER, and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES in Christ Jesus.

john 10 34: JESUS answered unto them,"is it not written in your law, ' l said, "I SAID YOU ARE GODS"
, In GOD all THINGS exist as ONE, in case you'll want to ask if there are Billions of God.

so now l leave the rest for IQ to sort out!

hmm great posts! @poster that was fascinating!, @magician l onced haboured the idea of going into magic--l thought its okay, afterall all powers are from God and it can be used for good, but seeing that you are Anti-God or christ, l now get it!

hey benodic! did you see that 'third age' thread on Religion Section? lts quite fascinating and l'll like to see your Take on that pls! thanks

benodic:
@ chieveboy

The Mahanta Consciousness can be likened to the Presidential seat of a country. It is a position. At any point in time somebody occupies it and stays there for a period and when that person's tenure expires he leaves and another person then steps into that position.

so currently Sri Harold is the one occupying that position and is being used by God in that level of consciousness to pour out its immense love to all creation. So you can rightly say that Sri Harold is the Current channel for the Mahanta consciousness. that is why He is referred to as the Living Eck Master.

working with the Living Eck Master are hundreds of other past Eck Masters who are still very active in the inner planes. there is a hierarchy and at the top of that hierarchy is the Mahanta, The Living Eck Master.

I hope this explains it more.

thanks

, Yes it did; thanks.

benodic:
@ chieveboy
you are very welcome.

i am very happy that you have started experiencing the bliss of God and that is just the beginning.
That is what i have been trying to explain. you can not give what you do not have. telling someone to give love when he or she can not feel that love is simply not possible. singing the HU opens your heart to the love of God and giving that love to others comes naturally to you.

Eckankar teaches you that Imagination is real. anything you can imagine can manifest in your life if you focus on it. Imagination is the eye of soul. so it is not just fantasizing. imagination is not something to toy with.

your inner faculties are being gradually awakened. this is also what happens when you sing the HU. what can help you in being more vigilant is to start keeping a dream book. once you wake up in the morning record your dreams in a dream book. no matter how the dream appear, record it. this will help. you can also ask within to get more insight.

That exactly is my stand. Truth is truth and all that a master can do for you is to show you how to go within to realize that truth for yourself. that is what matters.

The Mahanta is the Holy Spirit taking a form that you can easily relate to. it is the highest state of consciousness in form and also the purest form of God's love for soul.

The mahanta is purely spirit. it is not a human being. the person that qualifies to wear this mantle of pure love is the person who has been able to develop pure non discriminatory love for all life. this person then becomes the Living Eck Master.

In the inner worlds within you the Holy spirit manifests as the light and sound. you see various lights and hear various sounds depending on the plane you find yourself. When the Holy spirit wants to give you a specific information that is for the betterment of your spiritual growth, the light and sound then comes together in a form which you can easily relate to. so you can see your father or your mother coming in a dream to give you a message. you can even see Jesus or Buddha. for us Eckists we can see Sri Harold. that form is the mahanta.

The Mahanta is not Sri Harold's soul. but rather Sri Harold is a channel for the Mahanta consciousness through which God's love flow to the worlds. Sri Harold does not control the Mahanta but rather He is strictly under the will of God and carries out whatever is the will God for souls.

How powerful is the Holy Spirit? How powerful is God?

The mahanta has one purpose. and that is to take all ready souls back to their home where they came from. that is back to God. The mahanta is available to all souls despite their religious affiliation whenever any soul is tired of the play of maya(illusion) and also tired of the circle of birth and rebirth (reincarnatio) and wants to know who and what It really is and whence It came from, the mahanta appears to lead It back to God.

of course they will shake hands. if you follow the teachings of Jesus closely he emphasized on love and he also made references to the Holy spirit being the Medium that will lead us to all truth.
this is really what matters. your ability to tune in to the holy spirit will clear all the confusions about truth in your life. that is why the apostles laid so much emphasis on one having the Holy spirit.
because the coming of the Holy spirit in their lives was what transformed them. Singing the HU song is a very good way of opening your self to the Holy Spirit of God. then you will experience truth for yourself and you will no longer need to run to anybody to clarify anything for you any more.

no need to apologize. i will always try to answer to the best of my ability. The Mahanta is already with you but you have not recognized his presence. if you follow my explanation you will realize that the mahanta will appear in the form of the person you are most comfortable with especially the person you love most. start watching your dreams. before you sleep do your spiritual exercise and ask whatever question you want to ask. then watch your dreams.


Thanks.

, thanks alot, now am good!, but when you said "sri harold is a channel" for mahanta, l expected you to say 'is the channel', do you imply their are other 'sri harolds' out there- or rather 'channels'? thanks.

Hi benodic, thanks for your support all these times. you see lately after periods of singing Hu;l sort of feel happier
and could love people, l appreciate that!

now about Eckist-contemplation, is it fantasizing over something or what?

also l tend to get a lot of deja-vu-ln my dreams l get to see future events but only realize them when they happen, even some
of your responses are among them!, what do l need to be more vigilant when am dreaming the future so that l won't forget?, l know you'll say
chant Hu, is that all?,

secondly; l have no problem with The Eck master personally or what ever someone at one time did with Eckankar; am concerned about genuineness  and the truth!

but the mahanta: can you please define the mahanta? is it Harold Klemp's soul? does he(Harold klemp)  control the Mahanta while he is busy on earth? how powerful is the mahanta? what is the limit of what he can do to someone irregardless of their religious affiliation, or what did God didn't give him permission to do to someone on earth?, am wondering if Jesus and the Mahanta were to meet here, will they shake hands?   

, sorry too many questions, supposing l can soul travel l would've asked them over their, maybe! but l keep trying even though l sometimes skip
classes! l really haven't embraced the mahanta on my concience, perhaps it why he doesn't come! but you can help clear him. Thanks.

hmm, Man, 1988, people sold their properties; went to hill tops to await the rapture, wondering what some people did yesterday

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Thanks very much. l'll make it count! May the blessings be( as you'll say)

, Nigeria, Indomitable!

hi benodic:-) long time! benodic l have sang Hu these past days conciderably; l haven't taken-of yet:-(; am having difficulty in the 'love aspect'- where you fill yourself with love- and i guess thats why its hasn't worked yet. so the question is how do one love God? in my case this is how to love and also develop a channel to love some one in partcular abstractly. say for example; l saw a girl, liked her attributes and thoughts of her makes my heart, you know: if chanting Hu with passion and love is whats left, caboom! but people have been single, didn't grow with and in love-the little they had was misconfigured to something else-though hadn't given up on it{:-)}. all am saying is l dont know God for me to love him when singing Hu-though l kind of like him, and believes he exists. secondly, the mahanta can be met by invitation. how do you do that one? thanks for what you doing here! l read your posts often.8-)

benodic:
@ chieveboy


my dear you do not have to leave christianity and become an Eckist for you to know and experience truth.

truth finds you at whatever level you are. all you need is an open and loving heart. the HU song i gave you to try does not belong to any religion and does not make you a member of Eckankar either. it is God's gift to all souls to use in finding their way back to their creator.

you can also try singing other holy names like JESUS, GOD, CHRIST etc. as a love song. while singing it close your eyes and fill your heart with love. look into the space between your two eyebrows and watch out for the light of God and listen for the still small voice or other sounds of God that can come unexpectedly to give you spiritual upliftment. your experience then becomes your authority.

you can then become the knower and not just the believer.

Alright, Thanks allot! its ok by me. l'll use the singing for a start, hopefully l'll get mastery of soul travel-and become a knower, you see l feel worthless anytime l think of something l feel is fundamental to me; about life, but helpless regarding their meaning, significance and reason. I've rummaged the net; and tossed about by false astrologers-am Sagittarius you know.
Am an ambitious person! but I'm constantly haunted by a streak of retrogression which l find unusual and outrightly unfair! l dislike ignorance to the core! l have an open mind-its why l believe 'benodic the Eckist'-but restricted by an innate obligation to faithfulness and honesty: some one told me in a dream that 'there's a gate l need to pass through" and that" l need confidence", lately it's being difficult 'conjuring' love in my heart--but am working on it, using unsolicited smiles-- so its going to be one heck of a ride l guess!, L-O-V-E , anyway just be around for people like me man, the truth is not far-fetched!

, ok l get it! but l need you to understand that l will do my possible best; but within the confines of Christianity, l'm born again and kind of in a binding agreement with christ. I believe if l turn an Eckist, l'm guilty of unfaithfulness. You guys have almost all l'm looking for admittedly; but l've got to trust, obey and be faithful! Thanks.

one of this days l'll like to rub minds wif you @benodic, l'll like to improve from your achievements, l kind of belive you
can do little research on me, afterall you can soul-travel, and lets see , email's lilogogosa@yahoo.com! thanks and bless you!

thanks for that link. But I assume you thought I'm a phone-Eng.?, I only got a faulty phone , buts its okay I might take it to Nokia care point , wish I got solution,

Please I could use any info on how to 'do away'--possibly of this message when ever I start my phone, so much Flashing-it but no Ca boom!. Its a Nokia N91

they are on there way to a spanish pit LOL-ManU of course