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DikSin: Indian toad, you're back ehn? Are u a beasTard like Simply_me
Now listen to me you black & dirty Eckankar MUDASUkkA; I work harder than your kork suckking wife, children, sisters, momma & grannies on both sides. I hate it when I give up my hard earn money & properties to God as Kingdom Investment otherwise known as "seed" & some random e-diots come here to call me lazy... Mtchwee, don't know why this crazy old fool sorry goat won't mind his 4orkin bizness.
I know u have a church & u're scared ur worshippers will read my stuffs here on Nairaland & desert ur smelling caravan. Don't worry about that; at least not yet .the next time I see ur stu.pid comment on my post, I'll make sure u get a bad july experience online & beyond.
Now, go and study for your midweek service, you Silly smellow. Ode oshi! Dan iska banza mutumi

You see diksin, we all have and are still having our own fair share of the 'unfairness' of life. I dont wanna start writingdetails of my journey on earth so far...In solving the issue bothering you, you've got to comport yourselve--having taken a good step towards finding solution by opening this topic. Second, consider the suggestions from the posters and decide which you want to go for--its your absolute prerogative! You dont want to keep exchanging innuendos and upsetting your selve and others...in my thinking, you have the option of ignoring posts you dont like--perhaps.

l discussed the law of cause and effect (karma) to maybe let you see things from a diff. perspective, and recognize that God has nothing to do with your misfortune. The 'seed' l was talking about isnt the one you give in church my brother...who ever told you am speaking of christian doctrines? please read that post proper and try to see what l was refering to.

l only offered you what thousands of people in worse condition than yours, who had done everything withing their power and were desperate to even do anything at all to get off their condition...only to be offered a two letter word--HU; and were told it will remedy their condition...and they tell the story later. It still and will continue to be that the ball is in your court--if you thoughtit wasnt. Thanks.

DikSin: I don't totally agree with the Karmic Law of whatever. In my life, I have done more good than evil, (pls believe that) & suffered more ill luck than my brothers & friends who practice bad constitution as many times as possible. Now they're not like me; people show them genuine love than me, they get what they want from people without stress. To be candid they enjoy life more than this mr. Nice & honest guy. Now where is Karma

:-)...its fine not to 'believe' persay...beyond belief you have direct experience. The blessing and curse of ignorance andknowledge of a past life is on one hand, one might have enjoyed a priviledge of bieg a king in a past life, then he finds himself as somehumble maid in the present...the shielding of that memory you can see will come in handy to help the 'maid' move on with life unconcerned, rather than suffering identity crises--thats the blessing. The curse is when this particular maid obeys her master dutifully and diligently, but is continually hated and mistreated...it will seem to her as partiality and injustice. Unfortunately for us all, the ills that torments us didnt mostly spring from yesterday and today...Those you see going about as atheists didnt just wake up to be so, they had been probably been betrayed in a damaging way by religion in a past life, and the dent goes on with them now. You've may be read of pagan religions in the past whom for instance push some one of a cliff in sacrifice. These kind will expectedly have an acrophobia and the list goes on.

Perhaps one day, science will invent something to determine the age of some of our microscopic make up...then we will be unable to determine how that part of us is older than a millenium...as against our age and mainstream idea about life-times.

karma my dear isnt really a function of our acceptance or disacceptance of it--more so the law of gravity and many more laws of nature. Whatever one saws, one reap...nothing can touch you without your starting it...the problem in most of our cases is during considering all the 'variables', we leave the ones from deep down below--our ignorance of it l'll leave oscillating between 'blessing' and 'curse'. We didnt start sowing today, in our garden of crops, some crops dont just 'bear fruits' 'tomorrow' some need 'years' to mature...did l mention that to Soul, a Hundred years is like one day?

So sory thnks l misd d 's'.
Abwt that comment...if u dnt mind, this life under xtianity isnt the first tym of being born biologically! Un4tunately the opposite is taught in most religions. Therefore u might hve done somethings--'good & bad' that had to be worked out in another lifetime. Most culture in nigeria hold this idea. This is d xplanation 4 a one-legged babies, sudden death, lottery won, luck and stufs dat makes god looks partial n unfair. On cming to the earth as a baby, the memory f a past life is veiled, but mostly 4rm 4-6yr olds. U may ask kid what they where when they were big...sme may still retain d memry and tell u...just feign intrest (if u dnt believe).
On another level, look at time as a file safely kept smewhere. It can b played back 4 u. The purpose is 4 u 2 learn a spiritual lesson, so in that case, d video is playd back, wth u inside, u learn wat must be learnt, n d situation on d present tym dies on its own.
Make wat l gave u earlier ur treasure.

@dikin...l'll be very candid with you! whether u like it or not...know it or not their will be time you, everyone else will outgrow anything of spiritual importance in your life or in a lifetime. These will definately include things like parentage, locale, religion,prayer etc. When these things happen, you are at a cross-road, you pray and dont get answers or some religous practices cease to make sense or affect and control you...thats when you should seek God 'personally'. In seeking God, you'll save yourself wear and tear from the poverty, deceit and confusion about God by seeking it within yourself.

There is prayer and there is prayer. unfortunately the problem we face is not largely hindged on prayer. But for starters, and to cut the how-to and lectures short...all the things you listed on your wanted list is yours for the getting. But first you must recognize that you were the author of your present predicament. No jupiter hangs from a corner and messes with your life. Secondly you dont need to quit your chrisian faith ( if you are satisfied with its teachings) for another religion ,cult etc. You might have heard of this motivational :'the answer is inside you'times without number, l can explain it a bit to you later if you so wish.

Now comes the ultimate, if prayer didnt work for you ,try singing HU the most beautiful and powerful prayer. It is not neccessarily the 'final' cure-all for the ills that plague you. But i can assure you that you that it will spur and empower you to actively find solutions to your ills. I cannot emphasise it potency or benefit enough, but the God you seek help from through christian prayer will manifest it self in a way you can accept through what in christianity you term the Holy-Spirit.

To sing HU. Before sleep, lie comfortably and let your mind drift to a happy time in your life or think of something or someone you love, be it father, girlfriend, pet ,city, game ,etc...the idea is to be in a loving or happy mood. No matter your religion or what you do, Love is the passkey to God or nothing else. Next sing HU ( pronounced 'hue') in a long drawn-out manner like HUUUU as long asyour breathe takes. Do this for 10-15 min, max 30minutes. Just before drifting to sleep, make a request on any matter like "dear God why am l passing through this"? or "how do l make my finances better"? in the morning you may wake up with answers...you may jot it down immediatley. In my case l actually recieve things l need in my dreams only for the person to actually give me those things in 'real' life. Thats the manner it works. Try and retry if you mean business...compare praying and this one on different nights to see the difference. Till l hear from you, Thanks.

Am now an Eckist, in other words Eckankar is now my religion. I got most of my questions anwered by its teachings. Most importantly about this creation stuff. Am so much tempted to refute the--especially the christian/muslim idea of it. But PLEASE l write MY own opinion and had no issues with these two religions, Eckankar teaches that religion is put here by the the all sustaining Life-force Aka ECK, Holy-spirit,Logos, rhuh, Holy-ghost etc. It teaches that the religions are an offshoot of this Force. And is its here for those who are'nt yet ready for degree of fact or truth. Religions are here cos No man's idea of God is the same even if they share every thing together.

First its like the story of the ten blind men who went to the park to explore animals. There subject was an elephant. Its a popular story...one touched the tusk and said an elephant is like long pipe...the other touched the tail and said the elephant was like a snake...on and on,each one with his own version of an elephant. Now each one will swear to God that an elephant is like this or that. I can't tell though if they fought over it on the way home; what l need to point out though that they all must have a story to tell--of course!

Paul talked about a third heaven...and l found quite hilarious interpretations of the heavens down here on this thread. like the ten blind men, these ideas are gotten from only a one-sided and incomplete judgment. The true explanation of the 'theory' of heaven and creation exists and can be explored using the correct materials; and l will mention them later for those who really want to know. Odd as it may sound is the fact that we here on earth basically are on a mission to find these instruments and methods of finding truth, as a matter of an assignment! And we have on earth various wrong,falsefull sugestions,mechinations etc to keep us from discovering the whole picture. like one of the blind men, we will never accept or listen to the other story...ironically they are all correct relatively! But is it the true picture or story?

I felt dismayed at the story of God creating Adam and Eve, they sinned by eating a fruit, got chased them out of the garden, gave birth to TWO SONS. One killed the other and they were left with ONE Son. Population then on earth accordingly was THREE, NO MORE NO LESS!! But the story teller had it that CAIN went to a land and MARRIED!! On another land. Now l read and reread that portion of the TORAH, there was nothing like more creation...and it didnt seem like the WOMAN cain married was alone in that land. proponents of the TORAH oriented story of creation will at least offer an explanation on who cain married and in which PEOPLE'S land was it?


One thing is that people are made to so much believe in books to the point of even maiming each other over it. Christians and moslems especially the major fanatical! While a christian; l thought moslems where the trouble makers...telling someone l was Eckist has shown me the other side of the coin. Christians carry this believe that if they say "Blood of Jesus" or "Jesus", an Eckist will start coiling on the floor. Thanks to nolywood and church propaganda, the say Eckankar is a cult. There is a cronic CULTURE of taking in falsehood; what it takes is simply for some one be told about it in place of worship or the pulpit. l discovered that christians had used some or worst of the cruel means of propagating the gospel. It beheads any one that offers, proposes,suggests anything against its believes and creeds or even behave odd...the person is done away with. Now am getting on peoples nerves! but the point am driving at--considering that the people that did thode astrocities in the name of God are not the same ones now--is that those Guys Handled, guarded, and maintained what is now the Bible!! It will also interest christians that these people didn't find ' kill the sinners' in the new testament--which is whats supposed to be followed by christians now and then... Well the conditions they found themselves then isn't the same now...but the sad thing is the effect of what they did is now manifesting and will continue as far as it must.

Good thing is the fact that the church will continue bowing its knees to truth. There was the case of discovery of the red indians in another continent; after it was widely acclaimed that God caused water to kill all except Noah, his house hold, and the animals he kept in the ark. Before then, the holy books teaches that earth is flat and a ship risk falling off if it wonders far off. It took a daring man-Christopher Collumbus to refute this .He was however wise to bring back some red indians from the americas as evidence or he would have lost his head for heresy. The guys then offered trivial and hilarious explanations to this KIND of human beings discovered like "they where some stubborn babylonians God yanked by the hair and threw them off to the americas". Others who suffered persecution by saying something not as the Holy books say include Galileo, Charles Darwin etc. There works later became too true for the Holy Books, that the church is begining to bow its knees and will continue to to truth and facts. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/2910447/Charles-Darwin-to-receive-apology-from-the-Church-of-England-for-rejecting-evolution.html). Remember l said the present christians are not to blame for the beheadings even though they still maintain the same countenance of cursing and branding as demonic or satanic anything not found in the Bible.They are made to have 'faith' and just 'believe'(this does it most times). Further more the deeds of old is already done, who dares 'God' by risking following another FACT recently discovered and 'risk hell fire'?


Perhaps it will delight serious christians that hope is not lost though. Jesus-christ said that "when the Holy Spirit is come, it will lead you into all truth" Now if all truth is in the bible, which truth will the Holy Spirit show? If one argues that the saying of Jesus means the Holy Spirit will interprete the bible, fine, its correct to some level, but then after the interpretation of the 'creation story' by the holy spirit is given the christian for instance(because a true 'believer' needs one there), where and how will it fit in the bible or church, seeing that christians are not to accept any thing not written in the bible, and will they say the 'creation story' in the bible is not correct? which denomination or pastor will risk it? Joining Eckankar,l found out that there teachings is anchored on the Holy-spirit. They do not 'believe' persay, but go on ahead to prove truth for themselves. Looking back at the past, l marvel at how things where then in christianhood...where my uncle told me that Eckankar people are 'evil' people and are a cult, and later he will like or try to communicate to God using the very Holy-spirit the Eckists use. l will like to disclaim that Eckist don't worship the same God that christians do though, they teach that the true God is not in competition for worshipers,glory,adoration,loyalty etc with the devil or satan, no does it seek to be worshiped... Eckankar teaches that The true God is Love and that only. Check the VIRTUES of LOVE in the bible and get a hint of the various gods in the heavens. The true God dwells in a heaven where there is no opposites or duality.

There is the first heaven, second, third,fourth,fifth or the astral,causal,mental,etheric and soul planes respectively. The first three belong to the worlds of matter and duality. Here nothing exists and can exist without its opposite!.... male-female, short because there was a height, black because of white, senior because there is a junior etc...note that if the other cease to exist, the other will cease too! These heavens are simultaniously contained in every person. Every man is a microcosm of the macrocosmic universe. It occured as Soul decends from the soul-plane or fifth heaven and picked up each of the bodies that corresponds to each of this plane like how you'll use the various spoons for the suitable dish. Some one said " we are mortals" and "God is invisible". Well; when a 'mortal' dies and goes to face judgement. The 'mortal' corpse is in the grave and the other one is up there being judged. No one sees it--Man is invisible too, it is SOUL!

We as soul wear different bodies and these bodies carries everything you find in all of the heavens. Thats what Jesus-christ means when he something like " don't be carried away when people say the kingdom of God is there or here, the kingdom is within you". The 'Holy Temple' is the one within said Jesus. But audacity is needed to follow the true teachings of Jesus-christ.
The firsts heaven-- astral is a world of emotion. this is the next one after this physical one. This plane is so fascinating, in the astral museum for instance you find a prototype of most of the machines and computers on earth or the ones that are yet to be manifested on earth. Its the source of Ghosts, flying saucer, UFOs, etc. It is the heaven that most people go to when they die and those who practice astral projection. A dead person goes to this first heaven with his 'first body'. On reaching here and they meet the lord of this heaven, they become captivated by its majesty that they fall and worship it thinking that they've reached their final destination and have been to God, meanwhile the lord of this universe is merely carrying out its God-given duty--of causing illusions or making it seem he is the true God.

The second heaven is the causal plane and coresponds to the memory faculty, all records of the past is here, and can be accessed for spiritual benefit. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we all can access this plane to find out facts and settle desputes .

The third is the mental plane, home for though, mathematical formular,symbols...its home for genius; and very more beautiful than the first and second, thanks to its closeness to the purely spiritual Soul plane. The fourth is the subcunscious plane or etheric plane and it marks the boundary of the planes of duality and matter.

The fifth plane is the first of the pure spiritual heavens where there is no duality or negative and positive. It is the Soul plane! it was where every one was before descending down to the lower worlds. Here the is no duality. If people are captivated by the first heaven to the point of thinking its the greatest thing they've seen or been, you can only wonder how it is to be here. May l also mentionthat you find a ruler or lord in each of the heavens listed here. There primary duty involves maintaining the heavens they are in charge of; and also ensuring no one moves to the next level. So they are given special powers and priviledges to blind and condition souls to certain ideas. Soul our true self can't be killed by any thing nor injured by any thing, in that 'anything' can't exist up in there.it can only be conditioned into 'thinking' its sad, dead, unhappy,sinful etc, thanks to the 'lower bodies' and its actions in the 'lower planes'. It is a happy creation and nothing less! It is known that the degree of happiness and joy one feels is dependent on the level of closeness to this particular heaven. One finds sadness in materialisticness. it means 'less of spirit' and more matter. Any coarse material is more matter and less spirit eg earth which is the coarsest and therefore saddest... Earth is more matter, astral plane is lesser matter more happiness than earth. Dead who lived again and soul travellers report this when they come back to the earth plane. One can safely and boldly visit these heavens using a spiritual exercise to inpassively contact the Holy-Spirit against the 'beleive' that one is gonna 'fall of the cliff' as in the case of christopher collumbus while preparing to sail accross; in other words you can go to heaven here and now. Its one of the prerequisites of being!

So when one is to make contact with the Holy-spirit, one is to spiritualise his or herself. These is establishing polarity with the invisible self or heaven. The Holy-spirit exists in all things and all things. But awareness to it is the distinguishing factor. like wise the heavens esixts in all men, polarity with it is the difference. So a spiritual exerscise is the starting point. In Eckankar we sing the word HU (pronounced hue) as a love song to God. Its a powerful and ancient name for God. 'God' is a derivative of the word 'good' and was perhaps how the English man viewed God--as a good person. You find diverse word for God in all languages mostly in adjectival form. But then The word HU isn't from any of the languages here but all languages are interwoven in it. HU is not a property of any religion including Eckankar who exteriorise its usage.


The bottom line of Eckankar teachings is that God is love and Soul exists because of God's Love for it. God is love and is attracted by love, so the word HU is a love song to God. people do cry to God for help in prayers, the law of like attracting like strikes these people out but love will work the miracle they are ready to pay a fortune for. So when you sing HU with love in your heart, you are under the greatest and best help for that situation. People sing HU to protect against dark magic or juju. Juju is a negative force. Coming down from the pure spiritual heavens, the holy spirit divides into two powerful forces-positive and negative; remember l said from the third heaven downwards nothing can exist without its opposite , so people doing magic and the dark arts use this force of the Holy spirit.The HU is an 'object' of the pure spiritual worlds so it does'nt mix with anything nagative or impure...now you see the importance of love--it too is form the pure spiritual worlds of devine love. People sing HU to feel Love in there heart when they are heavy hearted, others sing HU to find answers they just don't know, others sing HU to get spritualised enough to visit one of the heavens or planets here and now to learn, do research, or sight seeing.

Here is How to do a spiritual exerscise. First relax lying down, or reclining comfortably.Recall a spendid event that happen or will happen in your life that will give you joy or love, or think of something or someone you love. It can be a spouse, lover, somebody else, pet, toy, city etc just this feeling of love or good will Then sing a Holy name a christian will sing Jesus,haleluiya etc. a moslem has Allahu or the 99 names of Allah. then put attention on the spiritual eye. its a spot just between and a little above the eyebrows.When done especially before bed, one may ask God or the Holy spirit for truth on a particular verse of their Holy scripture or on any historic event. The most powerful word any one can offer is the HU. It doesn't matter ones religion believe or notion about it being what the HU is said to be, and the maximum time for singing HU is 30min. Its a spiritualy charged word that God the nameless and fromless being gave itself and to ALL souls to use in need and find its way home to the true God.
When for instance truth was shown you, expect to get knocked-out when you go about telling others that so and so is not originally s,.or this is how an event happened as against what is written. In other words if you must relay a message, do it with wisdom like christopher collumbus did by bringing a tangible evidence or stay afar off when you must talk( like how am doing now )

you can find more exerscise here https://www.nairaland.com/1206262/practical-spirituality

and www.nairaland.com/533844/contemplation-seeds-eckankar/43

or if any one wishes to find about Eckankar...the official website is www.eckankar.org

FX: my fellow traders, which currency is d strongest n which is d weakest in d market now.
Which currency pair is d sureest to trade today

..well, am assuming u know of 'currency strenght meter' app and ur on mobile or something...nzd, aud are strong pending 11am, there will b major euro news then...you have your Analysis for your discretion of course.

Boss13: Benodic, I had a strange dream this morning. In the dream, I was with my secondary school friends or the environment seems to be like my secondary school (I have left secondary for almost 14 years now). I can't really remember much of the dream but I remember a close secondary school friend telling me if I want to see God I should do something or come (I can't remember). What I can remember was that I was flying upwards like towards the sky and I was facing the sun (though I was scared I might be burnt) I felt the orange light on my face and then a sweet angelic song "all hail jehovah" I can't remember the lyrics of the song but it quite close to that. It was a sweet feeling and I came down to earth.

Wow I woke up pretty shaken but not afraid. Can you explain?

hey bro...sorry if its coming late from here...well benodic kinda gave you an insight into this eckankar thingy. Here you are in training to become a spiritualy sound person, better said--a master! another meaning for eckankar is ' tutelage of the holy spirit'. Let me admit as a matter of fact that you find the glimmer of the holy spirit in all religions and all things...you get Eckankar when most of the pre-intimacy is done away with--necessary as it is though.

That been said, in the ' practical spirituality' thread started by benodic, l guess there is an exercise for healing. What l want to bring to the fore is that the color or light for healing the PHYSICAL BODY is orange! if you are succesful with the technque, you might go on ahead and heal YOURSELF and your self alone using the technique. so you can say the purpose for my post is to point out the meaning of the light/color orange--most probably .Also its not like one knows the meaning of your dream and not telling you its meaning. In Eckankar you and you alone maintains access to your inner being, going in there and getting what you want is where the studies and masters come in to show you how to. To go Home,you must do it alone; droping all, mind, Master, Teacher etc. You always have the Holy spirit helping you to do this. One thing you need to know is that doing a spiritual exerscise when done with love is not just one of those ritualistic passive ceremonies its far from that bro!. You are actively doing something more real than your physical awareness or action especially the imaginative techniques. Our waken state is actually the dream as a matter of practical spiritual fact, and your dream events and people the reality instead! As soul you view a hundred years as a day. so the drama of the dream you had is that your trueself did somthing that your smaller self could'nt quite grasp. So its time to get curious and get back in there and want to know whats up...be grateful you have the HU to help you.

may l also bring to fore a method of making sure of what we do,should do, or did( sorry if l sound confusing here) let me explain: supposing you think the dream means one of A, B, or C. You can feel free to sing a holy name of God in an exerscise, then ask for a sign to compliment A B or C . it should be some thing unusual for instance a one winged bird if its C etc. you can get help and answers for making right decisions using this tecnique-its called 'the golden tongue' . May l also mention here that the greatest gift you can give yourself each day is to sing the HU...

some woman told an Eckist she was in a big trouble, so she wanted something big "how can small thing 'h'u help me"? earlier the eckist proposed singing Hu to protect herself from a powerful psychic attack. It turned out that she sang it any way and it turned out that she would have gone down like her husband if not for it..."who gave you that word" the attacker was questioning after some days. Not trying to talk no one into HU, but just bringing to fore from under your noses a simple word and the most important help any time any day. It is miracle for the heart, and more.

l will post how HU had helped people eckists and non-eckists soon. sorry for the lenght ...wishing you success with the exerscises. And remember to Hu your way all times and you heart will sing too ...not just that, life too

...l thought l heard you say "help stop spitting on football pitches" ...not good for the players and us watching

Hello every one in the house...long time! @ wizcoder ever since this thread beacame dormant, decided togive coding a try...where am stuck is calling a custom indicator "zigzagpointer", you find this in 'actiontrade' indicator attached by hunkyimage. l wrote " double_zigzagpointer Icustom( NULL,0,"ZigZagpointer,Extdepth 95,extdeviation 1,extbackstep 13,2) , but kept getting error by compiler. i wonder if you can explain how the custom indicator call function works and if possible the trading criteria Function--with this particular indicator in view(if possible). Zigzag pointer displays an 'up' arrow and a 'down' arrow for buy and sell respectively. in any case my e-mail is isomasa@gmail.com. Thanks in anticipation--non the less!

For me its a recall of a situation whereby soul--the real person animating the flesh and blood, which neither sleeps and is a unit of awareness-- is returning from what we in Eckankar know and teach as a 'soul-travel' or perhaps a 'dream travel' experience. mostly it happens to adventurous persons; but that's not definitive--it happens to all-- cos when someone sleeps, they travel to other heavens( astral,causal,mental or 1st,2nd,3rd heavens etc) to have experiences or meet their departed loved ones. Its a natural phenomenon which science of course will discover more and more about so...people will have their own opinion about it, its OK. But their are people who developed that knack and could travel to these places for research, enjoying heavenly bliss, adventure etc...boldness and love are the primary requirements. chances are one is being trained by a teacher or guide. Therefore weather its a dream or a soul-travel experience, one actually was in a real destination and if one can be conscious enough, he or she can solve a lot of personal issues their...its strictly not a religious issue and doesn't matter your religion just as contact with air is not. Although one's religion may be of help in case one wonders what it is., and if not thought in your religion, one can look to science or wait for science. Good thing is in time, science will discover other phenomena and spiritual laws hitherto termed mystical or occultic (in nollywood sense of it) just as back in the days people like Galileo,Columbus, Einstein etc refuted popular belief and superstition. All is well though no matter what happens! Thanks.

@ifness....l had read your posts too, l was once in your shoes!! ...lots of questions but unconvincing replies ..."when we get to heaven, we will ask God a lot of questions" huh? l don't mean to spite other peoples religion.My opinion is: save yourself the energy, stress and resources of having to travel around; except of course if you enjoy the travel...l do love traveling actually ... l want to bring to your attention the fact that up there in the brain lies latent or massively undiscovered information about almost everything! you can visit museums, thousand years past, etc without having to physically do that. l say it perhaps you haven't known...yet. You should also know that within the human organism lies a faculty that records every activity, and not just activity of the actor, but also history itself as a whole!.... fact is man is a microcosm of the universes--or heavens. Its why you have to 'have it in you ' first and then you have it without, you have to think it first before you say it. this 'consultation' with the 'heavens' happens so fast that people think it doesn't happen...for the majority its a case of perceived nonexistence of that principle that in man exists all the various universes. They say that what ever you can perceive, conceive , you can achieve. Question is how do you visit a historic site, heaven, country etc without using any...lets say magical, psychic, etc means? how does one does that naturally? is there a natural means of doing that?? Well here is a link that may be of help. Thanks https://www.nairaland.com/1206262/practical-spirituality

hey benodic! thanks for opening this thread. Well about practical spirituality, l thought of this gist on human capabilities and all. It came up after reading some stuff on this page www.2045.com. my question is that since some parts of the human brain and the body corresponds to some location in the spritual planes, is for instance a soul-realised person's brain more active than the others? That is will the active portion of the persons brain be active than average? you know they the average man uses just 2% of the brain.

Religion! Galileo,columbus,einstein,darwin etc! Some people will continue to bend their knees by making adjustments to accomodate possibilities and facts to com!

...When a 'sissy' is passing by, l would making a call like the type one u make when hailing an okada, when she turns, l put a finger on one of my nostrils and pretend to be blowing kata

Hi Benodic, how are you today...its been a while

well it seem l got a little question. Its about some energies-- from thought forms--l had created in the past;which l perceive them to be rather negative, and are now coming back to roost. Is there anything like sublimation round here? that is like turning them or rather channeling them to useful use? can negative energy by turned to positive one? Thanks!

regards and shout-out to you benodic;kebisky,otheloze,boss13,mkmyers45,pastorkun and everybody in the house!

May The Blessings Be!!

hey @ rozay....pls can l get a link to this indy ur using+ the specs? thanks.

its high time!

...concede

Pastor Kun: I notice you quote a lot from the bible and even emphasise a lot on the teachings of Christ yet you claim not to be a christian. Would I be right to say a lot of eck teachings were plagiarized from the bible?

...may l pls comment on this...but l'll leave the "claiming to not be a christian" to benodic--of course he'll answer you all as necessary!

there is this 'us' and 'them' mentally when it comes to religion as in Christianity and Islam; blacks and whites; etc. This are all illusions! There had been several Mentions by benodic here; and in various Eck publications on the universality of Truth! what that statement simply means is that truth exists somewhere; then some people happen to discover it for themselves, and thought it, expressed it in ways they could...you find it in the Holy Quoran, The Holy Bible,The Eck works etc. If one of these books contain any measure of truth; it wasn't the 'Book' or Scripture that caused that truth to be! There is difference though in how each of the members of these groups will use that truth though--talk about Consciousness! For instance, while l was Christian, l understand that scripture as(summarily put) 'being in good terms with God' or 'having my name written in the book of life', and God will bless me accordingly! But now it is a whole new idea and perspective!

l answered you cos l perceive a perspective in which the average stout-christian views some posts here even if its the same thing written in the bible! please correct me if its a mistake...and its not an argument or a challenge...its just 'shedding some light'...
So, am gonna mention some areas where l had problems with at first; which l 'think' pastor Kun falls into all or one of the categories...pls take it cool

1: That the bible is the final arbiter! if l see a moslem for instance, preaching against immorality etc...l dismiss that preacher subconsciously as 'going to hell'! even if he doesn't commit sin...the reason of course you know! that same mentality carries us to this page. subconsciously if benodic mentions a truth from the Bible, what do you think he was doing?...back then for me is, he's trying to simulate Oneness or affinity to Jesus christ and christianity so people will say "oh its a good religion"...something like that

2:Thanks to nollywood and some preachers! they paint a very ominous picture of anything spirituality that leaves you with a very suspicious mindset. There are spiritual groups out there. "beware of wolves coming in sheeps clothing..." "by their fruits, you shall know them" watch out for the qualifier of that scripture by christ--by their fruits! l had issues singing the HU, "supposing its a means of signing up for one of those stuffs" l would say. Not to talk of 'identifying with what they call the Mahanta'. its written that Jesus is the 'only way' no one mentioned the 'Mahanta'!

3:l dreaded the fiery wrath of 'the lord' for venturing into another religion. some religions will kill you if they find out you switched. Back Then, l standing a good chance of loosing family,friends,love,job etc if its made known to any concerned.

l got around all of these with ease cos spirituality is to some extent part of my making... l use to look at astrology charts and look up traits of a Sagittarius . so there are answers really if anyone seeks! iron sharpens iron, hence you use spiritual tools to do spiritual stuffs! There are spiritual exercises which any one can use it is: singing a name they deem Holy! eg Jesus(jeeeeeeeesus) or Allahu (Allaaaahuuuuu) its to be done before bed time or some comfortable time for 15-20 minutes and then ask your Holy Master--jesus,Mohammed,budha, etc. if you wish, sing the HU, pronounced 'Hue' and sing thus HUUUUUUUUUUU as your breathe can take you...same method with the preceding exercises above putting the attention on the spiritual eye( its a point between and a little above the eyebrows--or that point you see indian and hausa women putting a little point as make up)

Now l wish to leave you with this little contribution as some points.
1:Be aware that there is a Grand Grand illusion put in place by the Lord of the lower worlds. that is their God assigned duty.

2: All religion is put in place by the holy spirit--the Eck( the same Holy spirit christ and christians refer to!). all of which should point to an ultimate path, and serve it purpose.

3:if you catch me making statements like " l hate girls", "l cant waste my time and emotion with a girl"( probably cos l was jilted before) and "who has time for love?"...if you catch me making any of those statements, please do not take me serious; its exactly what am looking for! if l can find my way around it l would be grateful . this is an illustration of a truth dangling before you.

4:There is a God-designed protocol to our being here and 'Home-ward' exit from here. The requirement is to meet and be tutored by a living master--not a translated one(dead one) 'flesh must meet flesh'. There are masters in diverse fields. Meet a 'God-master' or should l say 'Master of God' a master with a 'God operating-system' ie God-consciousness, and half the job is done. Whether or not you a worth that is or will be the reason for reincarnating or not reincarnating, and also walking the path of Eck or not--its not by that idea and suspicion in your head!! ( how do l sound pls?)
If you deserve it no power can stop you...what if l tell you the lords of karma are watching you and will do anything to keep you in their leash--l say this to explain what l mean by "no power can stop you" so...you can understand the position of The average Eckist spreading the word of Love; as in this page, and how people will suspect, reject,spite,dread and avoid him/her. If an eckist try to convert you against your will by hiding behind any of the things you suspect; by the above you now see why he will not just fail, but carry a karma appropriate to that violation of a spiritual law.

Eckankar is a spiritual community that covers the whole of the entire universe and far much more. if its about satan; they know him, know his residence,know his duty and who he is! if its the 'demons' they know what demons really are, they know whats behind a demon. if its about Power, an eckist stands a better chance--so to speak-- of using power or what l'll call an abuse of power by performing undoubtable miracles to happen that what you have seen and heard will be childs play compared to theirs. Why 'hide' why keep silent about the most helpful spiritual tool on earth--the HU! Eckankar is not afraid,humiliated of accusal of plagiarism to say the HU does not belong to it and other truths. found in other 'Holy' and 'unholy' books, songs, speaches, action of nature etc. as a matter of fact all of the truth found on earth within and without Eckankar is just 1% of truth! you get the remaining 99% inside--inside of you!

Anything is not useless on its own, use the suspicion or doubt let it be an impetus of some sorts. He that said life is a school or a lesson wasn't lying...take him literally, after that look at your life,all what you did and the benefits, good or bad... had been a usage of your life as a laboratory--you are Soul! you are the master chemist...you poured this religion in or that other one, lived as a white or a black, used female and male bodies(or atleast consider the past in this present life if you dont believe in past life). am trying to point out how life observed in a way is one rich lab, and that the mentality should be of a scientist and an author.

l love smart phones and gadgets...l stretch them,l make them do extra what the manufacturers said. its almost same way the spiritual life is lead--adventure and boldness,but with a lot of heart! Keep knocking and remain blessed!

hi ben...pls you got a message @ yahoo .thanks

@kebisky...good question!

Well...all said and done, argument weather #billionaire is right or wrong. The point is, we will all live to break fences we created for ourselves at our own time--we must! Wasn't it someone who dared the 'winches and demons' and sailed across the sea where they said he was gonna fall off the earth? . should the airplane wasn't made and someone provided and presented a plan to make one...? can anyone here imagine the effect? wont people call that person a 'winch' or protest religiously that he/she is daring God?

we have to come to terms with the fact that man as it where is the 'Alien' who 'came' down for some reasons and finds for itself a body which best suits living on the earth--unlike in mars,pluto,venus etc. but living in it--or using it-- is with its own limitations; but best for its use and purpose.This Alien wears other bodies--which is a microcosm of the ones out side ie the physical,astral,causal.in other words am saying every man--soul--has the astral,causal, etherall...or first heaven, second heaven,third heaven etc as part of his/herself!! etc.Granted, its beyond the agreement or disagreement of any one to say he/she does not have any of the world in their selves literally...as they might play hide and seek with themselves while arguing with someone whether the sun is cooler than the moon!...of course all people won't agree over an issue. people must pass true the illusions to get to reality; so the illusions really are not out of place--just like darkness isn't necessarily out of place!

we(I ) say to the 'Doubting Thomas': that the attitude should be 'really?', 'How?', 'why?'...or they should ask what the bounds are for man--soul before they conclude if its possible or not...whats really up?? For men once thought that people will fall off the earth 'if' and 'when'...but is that true? I'm sure we all heard of 'manner of approach'. Funny and inescapable the fact that even in our personal religious or whatever believes and endeavors; we face this truth! pastors will be called 'demons' if they do certain things! there is no hiding for the suspicious really--the 'garbage in garbage out'. negative begets negative! a tiny light will remain what it is in the darkest of darkest!..the secret is purity of heart and thought...talk about Law of attraction!

...well some of the questions have been answered here https://www.nairaland.com/533844/contemplation-seeds-eckankar

Finally

And yet all of these things are not conclusive
proofs. There is but one way to know beyond all
peradventure that a man is a Master. That is to see
him on some higher plane, where deception is impossible.
See him where spiritual qualities are manifest to alL
If you see the master there in his Radiant Form, you have
nothing more to worry about. You have found your
Master and you know it just as certainly as you know
that you exist. If you go to that higher plane, however,
and fail to meet your Master there, then you
must look further.
There is one more very encouraging truth that
must not be overlooked in this connection. If you are
seeking the Master, he is approaching you, and you
must meet him. It is only a question of getting ready for
226 THE PATH OF THE MASTERS
that great event. One of the oldest sayings of the
Eastern Wisdom is:
When the Chela is ready, the Guru appears!


these may not necessarily represent or stand for the eck teachings...therefore the author made a disclaimer for errors to be his and not his Master's. but one can find the book a good foundation to build on. The Eck-the Holy Spirit is the repository of all truths though...no one owns truth!

some more:

In the realm of religion, the Master is a paradox.
He has no theology, teaches none, yet he is the most
religious man on earth. His system is not a religion, yet
it leads to the most complete religious experience, and
the most happy. He is absolutely universal in all his
teachings. He has no creed, yet he never antagonizes
any creed, sect or institution. He never condemns
any man or any system. He finds no fault with anybody
or anything, yet he draws the sharpest lines between
the good and the bad. To the Saint, there is
really nothing bad in the world, neither is there real
fault in any man. What we generally point out as
faults, the Master considers weaknesses, illness. For
them he has only pity, not blame#. He never criticises,
nor scolds, nor abuses, nor lectures, not even the vilest
of sinners. The Master teaches that the habit of criticising
others or fault-finding is one of the most serious
weaknesses. Besides, it advertises both the vanity and
the ill temper of the fault-finder.
The Master lives and teaches positive truth. He
overcomes evil with good. To correct faults in his
disciples, he simply points out the opposite virtues.
He teaches that to point out a fault is only to advertise
206 THE PATH OF THE MASTERS
and strengthen that fault. It never removes the fault.
It only accentuates it and at the same time awakens
other evil passions in both the fault-finder and his
victim. Nor does the Master ever hold ill-will, not
even against his enemies. He literally obeys the injunction
of Jesus to love one's enemies. For he loves
every one regardless of their character. Are not all
men sons of the common Father? He gives love to all
and seeks to serve all. He is always master of the
situation, no matter where he is placed. He is never
disturbed by the whirlwinds of passion surging about
him. Serenely he watches the mad show and seeks to
guide others in the ways of sanity

ledafaze: What do you have to say about this:

"Followers of New Age movements do not regard themselves as practitioners of the
occult, but they are. In this paper I will set out what I see as the worst lies told by
these movements, with particular reference, where appropriate, to the cult of
Eckankar.
After 33 years as a member of Eckankar, I learned from hard experience that none of
these movements are what they seem. Let me explain how they work."

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...my brother, l dont know what to say! but l wish to offer a little hand here perhaps you may find it a little step further. its a book called "the path of the masters" l downloaded it free by googling--keyword is 'path of the masters pdf'by Julian johnson. ...meanwhile here is an excerpt:


There has never been a religion founded, never a
good book written, never a good picture painted, never
a good poem composed, never a good invention developed,
except by going inside to some extent, and there
concentrating on the task in hand. Even if one is not
conscious of the exact thing he is to accomplish, he gets
results by concentration. That is the great thing in the
process—perfect concentration, becoming oblivious to
the outer world of sense, and centering attention upon
A REVIEW OF WORLD RELIGIONS 187
that which is to be found inside of man. This is the
way of attainment, no matter in what line of endeavor.
No matter what one is to achieve, this is the one and
only method leading to success. Concentrated attention
is the key that unlocks all stores of wisdom, of truth
and of spirituality.
But there is one difficulty in this process. It is
when the student comes face to face with his own mental
creations. It is then that he is almost helpless unless
he has the guiding direction of a living Master. It has
been the unfortunate experience of thousands of good
men and women who have entered to some degree into
the inner consciousness, that they got the impression
that God or some angel or relative was leading them.
They hear the "Voice of God," they say. Or they get
the impression that God himself is giving them some
command or instruction. But such vision or voices or
impressions are, as a rule, their own mental creations.
This process is plainly visible to any one who has independent
astral vision. But the individual himself
is rarely able to make the distinction because he has not
such independent vision. He fondly believes God is
speaking to him directly when he is actually hearing
nothing but the faint whisperings of his own mind,
coming up out of his sub-conscious self. He is deceived,
self-deceived. And so often he announces that he has
received a message from God or that God is leading him
to do certain things. Many people say that God has
ordered them to commit murder or do all sorts of atrocities.
It is their own disordered mind. I recall a man
and a woman who were my fellow-passengers on the
steamer crossing the seas to Hong Kong. They were
going to Tibet as missionaries. They were going to
188 THE PATH OF THE MASTERS
that almost inaccessible region, solely on the strength
of a personal "command from God." To the student
of psychological phenomena, it was quite apparent
that their "command from God" was nothing more
than the creation of their own minds, super-induced by
a long course of suggestion. So it has happened many
times in history. New cults are started, movements
inaugurated, sacrifices made and books written solely
on the strength of such "commands from God." These
individuals themselves are not to be blamed for their
mistakes. They are to be pitied. Most of them are
very sincere devotees of their several religions. The
trouble is that they have no safeguard; they have no
reliable guidance. They cannot see inside so as to
detect the fraud that is being perpetrated upon them by
their own minds. As soon as a person enters only a
little distance inside, he is always confronted and fairly
assaulted by multitudes of his own thought-forms.
Aided by the suggestions of others, they have nearly
all taken shape out of his own past training and the
ideas he has held for long periods of time. They spring
up out of his own long-cherished desires. In the end,
they mislead him into all sorts of by-paths. This
psychological process, we believe, is the real source of
most of that endless variety of experiences which people
call religious, and which accounts for the great variety
of religions. No one is safe from such misfortune until
he is directed by a living Master who himself is able to
watch, with clear vision, all internal experiences of both
himself and his disciples. Moreover, at the time of
Initiation, every student of a living Master is given ample
safeguards which make such unhappy experiences
quite impossible.
A REVIEW OF WORLD RELIGIONS 189
29. GUARDING ONE'S OWN MENTAL PROCESSES
Every student of the Masters is obliged to keep a
vigilant eye upon his own mental processes. When he
begins to enter the inner planes, even to the slightest
degree, he must beware of his own misleading mental
creations. In all of his waking consciousness he is to
remember that this mind is his worst enemy, as well as
his most useful instrument. But the main point is that
he must keep it under control every moment. The mind
is a useful servant, but a very bad master. It is only the
student of a real Master who is given every safeguard
against being deceived by his own mind. It is only the
follower of a real Master who can differentiate between
the true and the false, as he begins to enter those subtle
regions of the mind. He cannot dispense with the leadership
of the Master in such dangerous zones. Without the
Master, he is almost sure to go astray. The mind plays
a thousand tricks. It is most unreliable and it is habitually
beset by its own thought-creations, harassed by
its own desires, and dominated by its own passions. In
the light of all of these facts, is it any wonder that the
world is filled with conflicting notions on religions as
well as on other subjects? But as said above the method
of the Masters offers a perfect safeguard against such
disasters. That method indicates exactly what your
attention is to be concentrated upon, and where it is to
be centered. Also it gives you the most precise and
effective means of testing every experience inside, and
lastly, it takes you into the inner regions with eyes wide
open, with the. consciousness more intensely awake than
at any other time; and most important of all, the
190 THE PATH OF THE MASTERS
Radiant Form of the living Master is right there with
the student to instruct and guide him. Under such
conditions, the student cannot go wrong or make mistakes,
neither can he be imposed upon by his own mind
or that of any one else. On the inner Path, the student
must understand, he will be met and tempted by a
thousand and one different sorts of spirits and conditions.
He will be attracted in a hundred ways. Every emotion
will be played upon to mislead him. Only with
the Master is he perfectly safe.
may the blessings be!

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benodic: @ otheloze



if you are given an insight into the karmic webs into which we have entangled ourselves with others over millions of life times you will be amazed. soul have the free choice to live its life the way it wants but any violation of spiritual laws creates a karmic debt that must be paid for, if not in that life time then in another life time.

some people while in the process of paying off a karmic debt in a lifetime end up creating more debt hence entangling themselves more in a karmic web. it is karmic webs which entangles a group of souls that create generational ties where you see the same cycle repeating itself in each generation. those entangled in such a generational tie of course will have difficulty achieving the necessary freedom needed to live up to their destiny unless they find a way of paying off the debts.
for example if you killed someone in a lifetime, then in another lifetime your life will be placed in that person's hands to deal back to you as you dealt to him. in that instance your destiny is in his hands because you are indebted to him.

@benodic...l imagine the chickens etc we kill for food--which are souls too--is karma at play?...either they killed us in a previous lifetime or they will be given the privileged to repay the gesture sometime ?...am taking it from the logical point of view, and stands corrected!

that is why in life you learn to give only love to all life and do everything in the name of God and as God directs you. that way you will be able to avoid those karmic webs while paying off the ones you acquired from other past lives.




if you look at the concept of homosexuality from the viewpoint of soul then you will have a better understanding of the phenomenon and remove yourself from the crowd that sit by the sidelines and turn themselves into judges of human behaviour.

firstly soul is neither male or female. soul only wears the male and female bodies in order to experience life in the lower worlds which of course are worlds of polarity. in one lifetime soul will come as a female and in another it will come as a male. it continues alternating it like that in order to gather full experience in both bodies. and remember there is only one thing that is real to soul as it keeps on coming and going and that is love and those it has been able to have loving connections with. soul always remembers that. it matters not to it whether the other soul is now a male or female. once it sees the soul it has been able to make a connection with in a past life the feelings are rekindled and the connections reawakened. the bonds are so strong that even when the society frowns at it they just do not care.

you can still take it into contemplation to get more insights.

@benodic...l imagine the chickens etc we kill for food--which are souls too--is karma at play?...either they killed us in a previous lifetime or they will be given the privileged to repay the gesture sometime ?...am taking it from the logical point of view, and stands corrected!



ps:l finally found and attended an eck worship service where l am...its a cool little group ...we hope to begin a satsang soon!plus am thankful for this whole thread! l found eckankar here ...perhaps it was a play of karma/past-life...but for sure the handiwork of the Eck and of course an old friend ! HUUUUUUUU...May the blessings be

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