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pretydiva:
Dunno know why guys cant keep what's in between their legs in check. Look at what 5 mins pleasure has caused. What a shame

Not 5mins, it's 15 to 20 minutes. Have a blessed evening.

Annajapheth:
No ATM PIN was stored in the phone they stole from me talkless of BVN....I purposely don't store this pins for security reasons yet they still had their way.

Someone must have seen your pin number.
What happened to you might have been planned even before your phone was stolen. You might have been targeted without your knowledge. Maybe someone close to you planned it.

Another way to achieve this is to change your pin which is a little bit complicated.

Kobojunkie:
I brought up Matthew 10 a while ago ...

2) So, when Jesus Christ Himself first told you that you have to hate father, mother, brother, sister, wife, children, etc. to become worthy of being His follower, He was not being literal?

3) When Jesus Christ Himself denied His own mother and brothers for the sake of the Gospel, He was not being literal?

4) So, from that you get then that when Jesus says do not call anyman father, He was also not being literal?

Is that how it works ? I am trying to understand how you think here....

Remember now?
ROFLMAO!! Christians may not do that but those who are followers of Jesus Christ know who there ONLY teacher is. The WORD OF GOD refer to Jesus Christ(The way, the TRUTH, and the Life), not to every word in the Bible. That is why when Jesus Christ encountered Satan, He responded by saying " Man shall not live by Bread alone but by EVERY WORD THAT COMES OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD(referring there to Himself).
My questions confirm that I am not a Christian because they scare you?
You feel attacked by the questions I have asked you about what is written in the Bible, the book which you claim infallible? If you are so confident about your claim, why stoop to attacking my credibility instead of tackling the questions asked you so far?
Discredit Jesus Christ? What you discredit here is your claim to believe in Jesus Christ by your inability to properly attempt any of the issues I presented of your opinion and "special interpretation" of what is written even in your own bible.

If anyone here lacks confidence, that person is you. Callng me a pretender is not defending your position. This is lack of confidence. Ridiculing my answers by calling them ‘ special interpretation ‘ is not defending your position. It shows lack of confidence. Your refusal to explain your position so far shows lack of confidence. It’s your lack of confidence that made you to say that you are not arguing but at the same time you tell others they are wrong without telling them why they are wrong.

You are the one who is scared. Yes, you are scared of defending your position. If you’re not scared, you would have done so a Long time ago. You would have shown me why im wrong.
The only thing you are doing here is assertions after assertions . Making an assertion is not defending ones position. Explaining why that position is right is called the defense of that position. ‘Jesus himself said’ is not defending your position because Jesus Himself said other things too on the same matter . Quoting someone and explaining what the person means are two different things. This is why exegesis is necessary.

Jesus himself said, ‘But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.( Luke 6:35 )
Jesus himself said “You gave heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. (Matthew 5:43-48)

In the above passages, Jesus is urging us to love people in order to be his followers and at the same time in Luke 14:26( your favorite proof text) , the same Jesus according to you, is urging us to hate people and OURSELVES in order to be his followers.

Explain to me why, Jesus would say:
Love people in order to be my followers and at the same time expect you or I to hate the same people and OURSELVES in order to be his followers.

To me, the two positions cannot stand together because they are contradictory positions. I said he was using hyperbole and you said he was not using hyperbole. You told me to take Jesus for his words which means that, to you, the two positions can stand without conflicting with each other. Explain to me how they can stand together without conflicting with each other. May be im missing something that you saw. Do the necessary exegesis.THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE REFUSED TO DO, yet you are accusing me of lacking confidence. Accusing me of forcing the two positions together doesn’t explain your position. Making caricature of my position by calling it,’special interpretation ‘ proves nothing because it doesn’t prove my position to be wrong. It doesn’t also prove that your position is right. To prove your position, you have to explain why your position is right.

Jesus Himself said, “If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell” (Matt. 5:29, cf. 18:9; Mark 9:47).

According to you, we must take Jesus for his words. I wonder why you have not taken Jesus for his words and pluck your eyes out or dismember any part of your body that has made you to sin. Is it that you have not sinned with different members of your body severally before ?.
Explain, what kind of SPECIAL INTERPRETATION that stopped you from doing what JESUS HIMSELF SAID?

So far, you have maintained that im wrong. All you need to do is show me how. This should be a simple task for you to do. May be im missing something that you saw. It’s possible. That’s why you need to do explanation of your position. Im always open to learning. Assertion is not exegesis. They are two different things. Explaining your position will help us to move forward constructively.

Kobojunkie:
Wait a second... do you worship the letters of the apostles or do you worship Jesus Christ?

The more you write, the more you show your ignorance about Christianity. You are not a Christian. You are a Muslim. I know you will deny it. I just want to confirm my suspicion. I was just waiting for you to bring up mathew 10:34 the same way other antagonistic Muslims do and you didn't disappoint.

For your information, a Christian doesn't differentiate between what Jesus said and the writings of the apostles because all of them are words of God. Christians believe that God inspired the apostles to write infalliably. This is why every writing of the apostles is called word of God. None is placed above the other. Whether someone believes it or not is another thing all together. It's a matter of choice.

Your question confirms that you are not a Christian at all. If you are, you should be able to know this simple Christian teaching.

Why are you hiding behind a mask to attack another religion indirectly. There is no need for that. You can always offer your religious beliefs to others without playing games. No need for taquiyya.
All these bible verses are what your type use every time to discredit Jesus and Christianity.

If I had known earlier, i would not have wasted my time. Bye

Kobojunkie:
I was not arguing at all. I was simply asking questions to better understand how your mind works as far as the teachings of Jesus Christ are concerned. That is why I picked the very examples below. Please help by responding to the questions.

1) So, how do you choose/decide when to take Jesus Christ at His word and when not to take Him at His word, and instead pretend that a "special interpretation" to that which He is saying is needed for you?



2) So, when Jesus Christ Himself first told you that you have to hate father, mother, brother, sister, wife, children, etc. to become worthy of being His follower, He was not being literal?

3) When Jesus Christ Himself denied His own mother and brothers for the sake of the Gospel, He was not being literal?

4) So, from that you get then that when Jesus says do not call anyman father, He was also not being literal?

Is that how it works ? I am trying to understand how you think here....

It is uncharitable to label a person a pretender without proof.
Look, if anyone is pretending here, that person is you. You are pretending as if i have not answered your questions by posting this same thing again.

Any person reading this can easily see that i have shown your position to be false by the numerous examples i have given. The numerous examples show that the apostles practiced spiritual fatherhood which is exactly what you are criticizing, yet you pretend that i have not addressed the issue under discussion.

I have shown that Jesus cannot love humans and the same time hate humans.
Somehow you believe that God can hate and same time love human. You believe that God can go against his nature This is the contradiction that your interpretation is facing.
Your reasoning is as follows:
A: the divine nature of God is love.
B: God is the healer
C: God delivers people from death.
D: God advoctes hate.

B and C are in harmony with A. But D cannot be in harmony with A because D contradicts A. All along, this is what your interpretation is all about.
Pls, try and understand basic Christian theology eg nature of God, Bible cannot contradict itself etc.

Jesus cannot tell us to love God and neighbors.( Mark 12:30-31) and at the same time tell us to hate our neighbors. It's only a mad man who will be contradicting himself in such a manner.

With due respect, you talk like a non Christian or someone who is new to Christianity that was why you asked when to choose /decide. If you have been a Christian for a while, by now you should have known that Jesus used a lot parables and figure of speech in his teachings. Whenever you come across such, you look closely in order to get the true meaning such that it doesn't contradict other passages in the Bible.
Pls, from today, you should know that the Bible (word of God) cannot contradict itself. This is the gold standard.

The same passages you are giving literal interpretations are same passages atheist give literal interpretations in order to attack Christianity so as to prove that the Bible is a book filled with contradctions. Atheists love to use such passages to show that Jesus was preaching hate and violence.
Your interpretations of these passages which is the same as that of the atheists are the problem, and not what Jesus said.
Your interpretation is what is creating the contradiction and not the Bible.

As for Jesus denying his mother and brothers, pls can you explain how and where he denied his birth mother and brothers in that passage. As far as im concerned, the only thing jesus did was to declare that people who hear his message and obey them as his mothers and brothers, Once you are a follower of Jesus, you are automatically part of his family. This is what the gospel is all about, God adopting us into his family (Romans 8:14-17) How you saw denial of his birth mother, who was also a believer, is beyond my comprehension.Please, explain. I have done this explanation before.

Your concern should not be on how my mind works, rather, my opinion on the matter should be your concern. How my mind works is not the topic of discussion. The only thing i can do is to tell you my opinion on matter which i believe is what you are asking for.
I have answered your questons before, im just doing repetition.

If you feel that my answers are wrong or inadequate, please show me why and how.
PLS, interact with my answers. Interact with my explanations, PLS. As you can see, i have interacted with your questions, please for the sake of courtesy interact with my answers. That's how a dialogue works.
The following is how a dialogue works :

Teacher: John, you didn't do your assignment, why?
John: sorry, i suffered from malaria.
Teacher: How do I know you are telling the truth.
John: I took a lab test and it confirmed it.
Teacher : Where is the copy of the lab results.?
John: it's with me here, sir.

Allow me to show you how your own dialogue goes. It goes like this :

Teacher: John, you didn't do your assignment, why?
John: sorry, i suffered from malaria.
Teacher: John, you didn't do your assignment, why?
John : i have told you that i suffered from malaria
Teacher: John, you didn't do your assignment, why?

Thanks

Kobojunkie:
So, how do you choose/decide when to take Jesus Christ at His word and when not to take Him at His word, and instead pretend that a "special interpretation" to that which He is saying is needed for you?



So, when Jesus Christ Himself first told you that you have to hate father, mother, brother, sister, wife, children, etc. to become worthy of being His follower, He was not being literal?

When Jesus Christ Himself denied His own mother and brothers for the sake of the Gospel, He was not being literal?

So, from that you get then that when Jesus says do not call anyman father, He was also not being literal?

Is that how it works ? I am trying to understand how you think here....

Your arguments are neither here nor there. You are all over the place.
Again, you have refused to interact with my arguments. Rather you chose to repeat what you have said before.

I gave you ample examples from the Bible where the apostles assumed spiritual fatherhood of other believers.
Pls, interact with these verses and tell us why the apostles were wrong by doing or saying so. It's obvious according to the scriptures that the apostles did what you are criticizing.

The Bible cannot contradict itself. You are teaching contradiction. The apostles could not have misunderstood Jesus by doing exactly the opposite. They are not that foolish.

When Jesus said we must hate our family and ourselves for the sake of the kingdom of God, he was not speaking literally. This is another case of Jesus speaking in hyperbole.

Jesus was simply saying that we must love God above every other thing even ourselves. If you don't love God above every other thing, you can't enter the kingdom of God.

Jesus couldn't not have preached hate because his divine nature is love. Jesus is God, he can't hate. God is immutable. He can't change. One of the components of immutability of God is love. This is why he said we should love and pray for those who persecute us. This why he said we must always forgive. Your interpretation of this is wrong because it contradicts other places in the Bible where Jesus told us to love and forgive. It contradicts the divine nature of God.

Jesus never denied his mother or family rather he utilized the opportunity to assure people that heard the gospel and obeyed it that they too have become part of his family. Mary was a believer so why would Jesus deny her. Jesus was a perfect son to her mother. He knew his duties to her mother, that was why he handed the care of her mother over to John while he was on the cross. You interpretations of scriptures so far doesn't make sense. It's self contradictory.

Whoever that is teaching you that Jesus is a hater must be a false teacher for sure.

Pls, next time focus on the topic which is about calling people father. Some of these Bible verses you cited are irrelevant to the topic. I don't see the connection ,at all.I just decided to give replies to them out of courtesy and because im a little bit worried about how you interpret scriptures.Try and interact with my arguments next time, pls.

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! Jesus Christ is not our Father that we need to refer to as the Father. According to Jesus Christ, He is the Son and He does the Will of the Father. He spoke the words of the Father too since He is the Truth of God/the Word of God.

Jesus Christ commanded His followers not to be called Rabbi/Teacher/Master etc. because He and He alone is our ONLY teacher. He is our ONLY leader

Jesus Christ also warned His followers against calling anyone on earth Father because We all have one Father and He is in Heaven.

Jesus Christ warned His disciples against considering themselves leaders/authorities. He instead said the greatest among them all is the one who is a slave to others.

If the glory for your spiritual life belongs to a man whom you call your spiritual father, then what part of you do you think belongs to Jesus Christ and to His Heavenly father?

Remember God said He wants all of you(Your heart, mind, Body and soul) not whatever is left over after you have given yourself over to your spiritual father, and maybe spiritual mother, and who knows spiritual siblings etc. After all, God is a jealous God and He wants all or nothing.

Becareful of man's doctrines and traditions as they could trip you up there.

It is obvious you are criticizing a straw man of your own making. This is why you have refused to interact with your opponents arguments. All you do is to engage in assertions after assertions without interacting with your opponents arguments.Are you saying that Jesus told us to call our biological fathers, ' boy, girl, this man?'. I just can't understand you. Jesus didn't teach nonsense

A careful examination of the context of Matthew 23 shows that Jesus didn’t intend for his words here to be understood literally. Jesus was criticizing Jewish leaders who love “the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues, and salutations in the market places, and being called ‘rabbi’ by men” (Matt. 23:6–7). He was using hyperbole (exaggeration) to show the scribes and Pharisees how sinful and proud they were for not looking humbly to God as the source of all authority and fatherhood and teaching, and instead setting themselves up as the ultimate authorities, father figures, and teachers.

Christ used hyperbole often, for example when he declared, “If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell” (Matt. 5:29, cf. 18:9; Mark 9:47). Christ certainly did not intend this to be applied literally, for otherwise all Christians would be blind amputees! (cf. 1 John 1:8; 1 Tim. 1:15).

Jesus is not forbidding us to call men “fathers” who actually are such—either literally or spiritually. He is warning people against inaccurately attributing fatherhood—or a particular kind or degree of fatherhood—to those who do not have it.

As the apostolic example shows, some individuals genuinely do have a spiritual fatherhood, meaning that they can be referred to as spiritual fathers. The example of his own apostles shows us that.

What must not be done is to confuse their form of spiritual paternity with that of God. Ultimately, God is our supreme protector, provider, and instructor. Correspondingly, it is wrong to view any individual other than God as having these roles.

The New Testament is filled with examples of and references to spiritual father-son and father-child relationships. It is worth quoting some of them here.
Paul regularly referred to Timothy as his child: “Therefore I sent to you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ” (1 Cor. 4:17); “To Timothy, my true child in the faith: grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord” (1 Tim. 1:2); “To Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord” (2 Tim. 1:2).
He also referred to Timothy as his son: “This charge I commit to you, Timothy, my son, in accordance with the prophetic utterances which pointed to you, that inspired by them you may wage the good warfare” (1 Tim 1:18); “You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus” (2 Tim. 2:1); “But Timothy’s worth you know, how as a son with a father he has served with me in the gospel” (Phil. 2:22).
Paul also referred to other of his converts in this way: “To Titus, my true child in a common faith: grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior” (Titus 1:4); “I appeal to you for my child, Onesimus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment” (Philem. 10). None of these men were Paul’s literal sons. Rather, Paul is emphasizing his spiritual fatherhood with them.

Again, Paul said, “I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel” (1 Cor. 4:14–15).

Peter followed the same custom, referring to Mark as his son: “She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings

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; and so does my son Mark” (1 Pet. 5:13).

The apostles sometimes referred to entire churches under their care as their children. Paul writes, “Here for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be a burden, for I seek not what is yours but you; for children ought not to lay up for their parents, but parents for their children” (2 Cor. 12:14); and, “My little children, with whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you!” (Gal. 4:19).
John said, “My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” (1 John 2:1); “No greater joy can I have than this, to hear that my children follow the truth” (3 John 4). In fact, John also addresses men in his congregations as “fathers” (1 John 2:13–14).

By referring to these people as their spiritual sons and spiritual children, Peter, Paul, and John imply their own roles as spiritual fathers.The notion of spiritual fatherhood is biblical and historical. Failure to acknowledge this is to acknowledge that the apostles taught heresy which implies that they are in hell fire.

You are simply forcing your ahistoric interpretation on the Bible.

MrMcJay:
Nice reply
When they are talking to the legitimate children, the bastards should keep shut.

You are his child, indeed. That's why you call others, bastards, because they express contrary opinions to that of your father. Are you ok?

Report the woman to the appropriate authorities. I have done it before. Infact, the case is still in court. She is simply wicked. An animal. She must be taught a lesson. If not, she will definitely repeat it again. Most women lack the capacity to love other people's children. Few are able to tolerate other people's children shortcomings.
The child's life is danger. He must be taken away from their custody. I have told a lot people to send their house help back to where they came from if they could not tolerate their behaviours anymore. This simple action will save both parties from unnecessary difficult situations.

AyakaDunukofia:
"The ruling of the Supreme Court is final and its finality is unchallengeable...No matter under any guise such an issue was brought to the court, no court in the country would entertain or rehear"

Citing some sections of the constitution in relation to the finality of a Supreme Court judgement in a matter, Justice Anyachebelu said that the matter ended as stated by the Apex court's judgement of 15th February, 2019.

He said, "The judgment of the Supreme Court on the consolidated matter before the Supreme Court on the 15th February 2019 dealt extensively on the issues in the Ukpo/Abba community case, which forms part of the issues in the motion before me.

" I have exhaustively looked at the issues canvassed by the applicants and I am of the view that after the Supreme Court judgement, all issues relating to the Ukpo/Abba case are contained in the consolidated suit and are laid to rest "-JUSTICE ANYACHEBELU-NENI HIGH COURT.


It may well be you know the law more than this judge.This sort of stubbornness in the face of ignorance would not take you people anywhere in this case. I have suggested ADR which i believe something better than nothing would come out of it. Social media emotions would lead to a dead end. My last comment.

You have refused to answer a simple question i have asked many times.

Again, why would the Supreme Court direct the parties involved to go back to the high Court.? Pls answer the question.

All you have managed to say here is that the Supreme Court is stupid and ignorant. In your view, SC must be confused.

Look, ignorance is better than telling lies. You lie a lot. Like your god, Arthur, there is no truth in you.

I don't care about Neni high court judgement because when everything gets to the Supreme Court, SC will clarify their judgement and send the case back again.

If you are not emotional why are you here. You accuse people of the same thing you are doing.

God will always hear the voice of the oppressed and in His appointed time, humble the proud.

AyakaDunukofia:
The "vitiated and invalid" as per Justice Galumje was a personal view. It was an obiter dictum which is not enforceable in law and that is why a judge of the High court refused Abba's latest round of contention. Otherwise an inferior court such as the High court visaviz the Supreme court, has no right to neglect the so called "vitiated and invalid" if it was a legally binding decision; stare decis.

My advice is for Abba to consider "alternative dispute resolution" instead of the current public ridicule.

There is nothing like personal view in a judgement. It is the opinion of the majority of the judges that is expressed in a judgement.

Why would the Supreme Court direct the parties involved to go back to high court if they have concluded the matter as you are insinuating here? Is that personal opinion too? Is the Supreme Court playing games with people? Pls tell us why they would do that.

You are the one who is not making sense here because you're simply saying that supreme court likes creating confusion.

The recent high court judgement says that Abba people are starting land issue afresh but that is not what Abba is asking of the court. Abba is addressing the issue of missing records as directed by the Supreme court. I have said all these things before.

Abba is appealing the judgement so there is no need for destruction until everything is over. Arthur should allow the court to have the final say. This issue has shown me that Arthur is a very insincere person.

I don't have problem with ukpo people so i don't have any reason to insult them the way you did to Abba people. I don't hate them. Besides, Ukpo blood runs in my viens. My grandma is from there. ( oranto).

Im not against alternative solution but it should be based on truth, not lies.

AyakaDunukofia:
THIS CASE HAS BEEN SETTLED PERMANENTLY, AND CANNOT BE REOPENED. THE HIGH COURT JUDGE HAS TOLD ABBA COMMUNITY THAT THE EARLIER RULINGS OF NWAZOTA AND THE APPEAL COURT, IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, HAVE FORMED THE PERMANENT LEGAL STATUS OF THE LAND. THIS IS EQUALLY THE REASONING OF THE SUPREME COURT. LIKE I SAID, THIS DANCE OF SHAME MUST STOP.


The Southern Free Press
COURTS
Anambra Court Rejects Motion By Abba Community Over Land Dispute
By OUR CORRESPONDENTWed, May 20, 2020

Justice Onochie Anyachebelu
The kinsmen of celebrated novelist, Chimamanda Adichie, on Tuesday lost a motion to amend an application in a land dispute between Abba community and Ukpo community both in Dunukofia Local Government Area of Anambra State.

Adichie and his Abba people had at various times claimed that Chief Arthur Eze, an oil magnate from Ukpo, was masterminding the takeover of their land, noting that the disputed land had long being decided at the Supreme Court prompting re-filling of the suit at Anambra State High Court sitting in Neni, Anaocha Local Government Headquarters.


When the suit pending before Justice Onyinye Anumonye was mention in Neni on Tuesday, the court turned down the motion by Abba people seeking court’s order for the representation of some of her indigenes as plaintiffs in the pending matter.

The court stated the Supreme Court judgment on the matter on 15th of February 2019 had settled the order being sought in the matter and therefore stated that it could not be revisited in any guise.

The court described the Supreme Court judgement on the matter as "final and cannot be visited or re-heard by any court in the country".

"The ruling of the Supreme Court is final and its finality is unchallengeable,’’ he said.

He said no matter under any guise such an issue was brought to the court, no court in the country would entertain or rehear.

Citing some sections of the constitution in relation to the finality of a Supreme Court judgement in a matter, the judge said that the matter ended as stated by the Apex court's judgement of 15th February, 2019.

He said, "The judgment of the Supreme Court on the consolidated matter before the Supreme Court on the 15th February 2019 dealt extensively on the issues in the Ukpo/Abba community case, which forms part of the issues in the motion before me.

" I have exhaustively looked at the issues canvassed by the applicants and I am of the view that after the Supreme Court judgement, all issues relating to the Ukpo/Abba case are contained in the consolidated suit and are laid to rest .


An indigene of Abba community who simply gave his name as Alex told reporters on telephone that the community was considering to appeal against the high court ruling.
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The Supreme Court judgement is final and they have directed the parties involved to go back to the high court to address the issue of the missing records.

The recent high court ruling has nothing to do with what Abba people are asking for and what the supreme court asked the parties to go and do. It was in error. The judgement says that Abba people are trying to start the issue of land dispute afresh, but that was not what the Supreme Court asked the parties to sort out at the high court.

Abba people did not start the case afresh at all. Abba people are asking the court to sort out the mess created by the missing records. They are doing what the Supreme Court told the parties involved to go and do.

The court judgement obtiained by ukpo remains VITIATED AND INVALID, as the Supreme Court says, until the issue of the missing records are sorted out.

Why are Arthur Eze and his gang destroying properties in Abba when there is a restraining order and a chance for appeal.
Tell me if that is not wickedness, and you seem to enjoy it. Arthur should allow the Court to have the final say.
He chose the use of force because of desperation and greed. He believes he can pull it off in a lawless country like Nigeria.

The truth is that whenever the case gets to the Supreme Court, the SC will tell the parties involved to go and do what they asked them to go and do because what they said was not ambiguous at all. Just watch and see. God is watching.

So far, you have not been able to show how the Supreme Court gave you land and at the same time refer the parties involved back to the high court. Are they MAD? according to you, yes.

AyakaDunukofia:
So your only evidence that Abba owned the land was your unschooled memory of your mum farming at 'Agu Abba'? As a young man, you should have known the history of your maternal homestead. Abba town came into existence as a result of the benevolence of Umu Dunukofia to a guest palm wine tapper invited by them. So the palm wine tapper's descendants want now to usurp the land of their guest.

The Abba history was brought out naked before Justice Obiorah Nwazota of Enugu High Court in 1999, after which the land in question was ruled in favour of Ukpo. Abba was again defeated at the appeal court and again at the Supreme court.

I just can't understand why your mother's people love to be shamed.

What do you gain from telling lies?. Pls quote for me where the Supreme Court says that the land belongs to Ukpo.

The Supreme Court judgement is clear. It's not ambiguous.
The Supreme Court VITIATED and rendered the judgement of the lower courts INVALID due to the missing records in the case. The two Words( VITIATED AND INVALID) were used in the judgement.

Consequently, the Supreme Court directed the the parties involved in the case to go back to the high court to sort out the mess caused by the missing records.

Is the supreme court stupid? Why would they send the matter back to the trial court if they have given the land to ukpo people.
Are you saying that the Supreme Court is insane or what? I don't understand.

As for the history of Abba people, you are not in the position to tell them their history. You can't prove that what you're saying is true because you have no evidence to support your claim. Your are just indulging in mere assertions.

I don't understand why you and Arthur Eze love injustice.
Taking people's properties by force is a mortal sin.
Arthur Eze is a desperate man. That's why he is desperately trying to use every corrupt institution in Nigeria especially the nigerian police force to force Abba people to submit their inheritance to him.

I would like to note that not everyone from Ukpo is in support of what Arthur Eze is doing. Many are against it.

God of justice is here, He is watching.

Wiseandtrue:
OP, why make it sound like a community clash

The matter was before the court and the ukpo won! The Nigerian police was with the bulldozer. So, what's the problem

Besides was the man (Nweke) not the same man mentioned not too long ago the one forcefully collecting people's land in Chimamanda's home town

I might be wrong but if I am right, congratulations to the people for getting justice in the law court!

I hope this serves as a deterrent to those forcefully taking people's land

Especially that of the poor!!!

Modified:

And Awolowo will be jumping in his grave with the "omo oni ile" abi

Tell me what has Yakubu Gowon done about the Fulani herdsmen, Bokoharam ravaging and claiming other people's land

Or what will our forefathers had done in their grave if you had given the fulani herdsmen your land instead of your life

Guy, grow up!!! This land clash is everywhere

Let's call evil what it is!!!

You should stop narrating falsehood.

For the purpose of keeping the records straight, the issues for determination at the Supreme Court was not ownership of the disputed land. It was the inability of the Plaintiff to appeal. The Plaintiff could not appeal the judgement of the High Court, Awka delivered by late Justice Obiora Nwazota because the records of proceedings were certified to be missing. In delivering its judgement, the Supreme Court though it ruled in favour of the respondents on the four grounds of appeal formulated, it, however, noted, more importantly (per Galumje JSC), that ''The loss of the record of the appeal is a factor that has vitiated and rendered the judgement INVALID.'' He went further to ask, ''Is there a way of enforcing the judgement in the absence of the record of the case?'' And the clincher, ''... it is in the best interest of the parties to go back to the trial court and sort out this mess.'' Experienced legal minds both in the Bar and Bench have interpreted the judgement of the Supreme Court as not granting any ownership to neither of the parties.
If the Supreme Court had referred the parties to the High Court ''to sort out the mess'' what was the authority relied upon in holding the view that ukpo people won.

The Supreme Court judgement was clear. It rendered the judgement of the high court INVALID because of THE MISSING RECORDS. Consequently, SC directed both parties to go back to high court to argue if there is a way to enforce the judgment or not. ie TO SORT THIS MESS OUT. ie Mess brought about by the missing records.

On what grounds should any party claim victory in this matter?
If you think that Ukpo won at SC, why would the Supreme Court order both parties to go back to the high court. To go there and do what? Play ludo or what? I don't understand. Maybe you can explain better.

edward1106:
I know silence sometimes is key, but please try and find ways to communicate without insults.
I am a biochemist by profession. One thing you need to realise is that these viruses (covid-19, Ebola, SARS) naturally cannot just harm us unless they have been "engineered". Ebola was found in Ape, and it wasn't harming us until some group of scientists found way for the Ebola virus to interacts harmfully with human cells.
Besides, 5g rays cannot be used to kill cells of cancer. (Please, go look at electromagnetic spectrum).
People have been eating the so called raw bat meat probably for a while. So why last year October did it decide to unleash it ugly face?
Your body is made from dust( You should know viruses, bacteria etc are components of these dust). Fear humans who are changing the chemistry of these tiny unseen things and so, playing God.
About our discussion of 5g mast and covid 19, which is as result of the said pastor, pls don't get me wrong, read through to understand better my opinion.
Lastly, u fit don notice say some people dey com first for class but dem no get understanding of wetin dem teach. Na God dey help us all and na same God dey reveal to man wetin him feel like else, this world for don PKAFUKA since. Take care bro. Respect!

If you are a biochemist , by now, you should understand that viruses continuously undergo mutation naturally. This mutation gives them the ability to attack species they were not able to attack before. eg from bat to human being. This is a fact.

A virus can be manipulated into a weapon in the lab. This is a fact.

Another fact is that 5g waves cannot affect the genetic make up of any micro organism. There is no proof for such,therefore, so called pastor Chris is talking nonsense and he should be stopped. He is an agent of fake news, period.

zeeek:
As far as I know, Pst Oyakhilome has some formation that you do not have, a Pst of his repute will not open his mouth and begin to yarn about his claims vehemently. Let me ask you, do you have any idea the number of MD's of major telecomms company he has in his church?
You do not have half his legit contacts/connections, so pls when you see or hear a man of such reputation talk, learn to listen or at best keep quiet especially if you cannot prove him wrong.

You really believe that these scam doctors have reputation because they know big men or because they have connections? No wonder it's easier to scam people posing as a big man with a lot of connections.

By the way, what kind of defense are you doing. Is so called pastor Chris a scientist? Is he a Telecom engineer? Can he prove what he is saying? No, he can't but he chose to continue in his foolishness.

Is like you don't know how to engage in a debate. The burden of proof is on so called men of God who are against 5g and not engineers who gave us 5g. The engineers have nothing to prove because theirs work is there for everyone to see. Nothing is hidden. These scam doctors are engaging in mere assertions, nothing more.

These scam doctors have never in anyway improved humanity. Imagine a world without engineering. Just imagine. That's if you can actually. Im not sure.

Hmmm, i taught this ogboni people could vanish into thin air.

Nawa oo, what's the difference between them and ordinary people. So all these things are scam.

Thank God ooo, i no enter again oo.

Tatashi:
Just like my neigbour who mocked me on her first year of marriage that im a divorcee with children.she will constantly tell me shes in a man's house and im not.i never said a word to her and i wont.shes been married for long now and no child.the point here is ITS NOT EVERYONE YOU CAN MOCK AND GO SCOT FREE.na better stone she hit!

Pls stop saying things that are not true. You people must have had a disagreement before she started saying those things to you. You too must have said bad things to her too.

Im not saying that what she said was good. It was bad enough. You said things to her too. She didn't just wake up in the morning and started saying those things to you.

Are you trying to say that her infertility is as a result of those things she said to you? Do you really think you can hold her back from getting pregnant? You can't, period.

What is the relationship between what she told you and your rejoice over her not being able to get pregnant. Because you lost your marriage and she told you so, therefore she must remain barren. Is that what you are saying?

You sound like a bitter and difficult person. With due respect, this might be one of the reasons why your marriage didn't work, though you might not know it.

Pls help yourself and stop rejoicing over someone's perceived misfortune. As a divorcee with children, you have much work to do. So be focused. May God help you.

If i can see a way, i will tell the other person to stop rejoicing because someone's marriage collapsed. No condition is permanent.

All these testimonies are not miracles. There is nothing miraculous about them. The same thing has happened to Buddhists, atheist, agnostics, Christians, Muslims, water worshippers, ogun worshippers, Aro worshippers etc.

Miraclous cure is a cure that defies all scientific explanations. These ones do not. It's just a case of their body fighting off the virus though some victims of this virus has undergone a kind of near death experience while their immune system fought the virus. They went through hell and back. There is nothing like divine intervention in these cases. No evidence at all. No proof. Therefore, it's unreasonable to call them divine healing.

We should always thank God for our lives but their recovery has nothing to do with miracles.

piamily:
Okay. There’s thing guy I met one time last year. So he came up bold and said he was interested in a relationship. He didn’t even waste time. I was impressed . Normally I was supposed to dish out my “naija shakara girls style” you know, but I didn’t . After some days I agreed to date him.

I found out he’s easy going so I decided to give in and be mutual with the love and attraction etc. as soon as I got interested, he withdrew.

I noticed it . I don’t understand why a man will do this. Was he not interested? And does he expect the woman to hate him.

I see some men complain about ladies being hard to get and now a lady didn’t play that much hard yet the man withdrew a bit. Still don’t get men sometimes sha

It has to do with the mentality of Nigerian men. It has to do with our culture.

Here in Nigeria, we believe that a girl is worth a lot if the girl gives us a lot of hard times before entering into relationship with a man. I know this is true because i have been there when i was younger. This is why women who understand the mentality of Nigerian men normally play hard to get at first so that the man will value them more in the relationship.

You will always see our men say things like, ' the girl didn't even allow me to finish talking before falling for me.' or ' this girl wan use call kill my phone battery. Which kin human being be this'. Instead of being happy that the girl is reciprocating the gesture, a Nigerian man will see it as if the girl is pushy and cheap. What a weird mentality

This mentality formed by our men is a very unhealthy one. This is why many Nigerian men marry women who don't love them. And when you make this mistake, you will suffer in that marriage. I know we are not discussing marriage but im just trying to show some of the negative consequences of this behavior.

In everything in life, the person that desires something more is likely to take care of that thing whenever he or she gets it.

Seetto:
You acquise the prophet of the greatest blasphemy, I can't blame you since that is what your Bible portrayed about other prophets including Jesus himself.

David committed a grevious sin of adultery, deceit, and murder, regarding Bathsheba and her husband Uriah. The child of David’s union with Bathsheba was taken by God in place of David’s life. Thus David could remain king so that the promises God made about David’s throne could stand (2Samuel 11 & 12).

the Gospel

(Luke 12:49-53)

34Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law: 36and a man's foes'shall be they of his own household.

20Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded a to plant a vineyard. 21When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside. 23But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s naked body. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father naked.

In some verses the way they describe sex scene you will think they are acting porn.

This is the impression the media wants you to hear about the Noble prophet and basically that is what you want to hear,

For the so called terrorists organization they don't represent Islam but the western power and enemies of Islam.

Isis was founded and financed by the western power to oust the regime of Asaad, they went against him when he become berserk,
David Cameron admitted in one of his interview that ISIS betray them.



Boko Haram, Alshaba are linked to alqaeeda.
Alqaeeda was founded and financed by United State of America, Hillary Clinton admitted this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcEMH5YuI6E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY-BWScpdZw

You want to blame the prophets for this, right

Muslims had suffered gravely in the hands of these terrorists organization western machinaries, millions of muslims lives has been lost, properties destroyed places deserted as a result of bombings, and you think we are pleased with this, you must have your head checked,

All the Hadiths you are quoting on the the internet from sites designed by enemies to confused ill faith Muslims and fellows like you who wants by all means to see reason to condemn the prophet do not hold weights.
We are aware of their evil plan.




If the war the so called Illuminati have waged against Islam is directed towards christainity, christainity must have gone into Extinction.

The meaning of ISIS is Islamic state of isreal, they are Jews spies, the evil they planned will surely goes against them.

The prophet say about an outbreak of a disease such as covid-19.

The Prophet Muhammad, realizing the
consequences of infectious epidemics, advised
his companions that, “When you hear about a
break of plague in any area, do not enter there
and when it has broken in a land where you
are, then do not run way from it (and thus
spread it elsewhere).” On the basis of this
hadith, Muslims considered precaution and
vigilance against infectious epidemics as the
command of God.

Black seed(cumin)
It has been reported on the authority of Aisha, may Allah be pleased with her, who narrated that she heard the Prophet, peace be upon him, saying, “This black cumin is healing for all diseases except As-Sam.” Aisha, may Allah be pleased with her, asked ‘What is As-Sam?’ He (the Prophet peace be upon him) replied ‘Death’.14 Similarly Abu Huraira, may Allah be pleased with him, narrated, “I heard the Prophet, peace be upon him, saying, “There is healing in black cumin for all diseases except death.”14


Honey
Honey is considered one of nature's valuable functional and medicinal foods.89 In the Holy Quran, Allah the almighty says: “And your Lord inspired to the bee, take for yourself among the mountains, houses, and among the trees and [in] that which they construct. Then, eat from all the fruits and follow the ways of your Lord laid down [for you]. There emerges from their bellies a drink, varying in colours, in which there is healing for people. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who give thought.”58 Abu Sa'eed al-Khudree, may Allah be pleased with him, narrated, “A man came to the Prophet, peace be upon him, and said, ‘My brother has pain in his stomach,’ so the Messenger, peace be upon him, said: ‘Give him honey to drink.’ The man came back and said, ‘O Messenger of Allah! It only increased his illness!’ So the Messenger, peace be upon him, said, ‘Give him honey to drink.’ The man came back and said, ‘O Messenger of Allah! It only increased his illness!’ The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said ‘Allah spoke the truth and your brother's belly has lied. Go and give him honey to drink.’ He went and gave him honey and was cured.”14, 82


Costus
Umm Qais, may Allah be pleased with her, narrated: I went to The Prophet, peace be upon him, along with a son of mine whose palate and tonsils I had pressed with my finger as a treatment for a (throat and tonsil) disease. The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, “Why do you pain your children by pressing their throats! Use Oud Al-Hindi (Indian aloe wood, costus) for it cures seven diseases, one of which is pleurisy.”14

Cucurbitaceae
The formal account of Cucurbitaceae in the Quran is mentioned in Surah As-Saffat, 146. Allah the almighty says: “And We caused a plant of gourd to grow over him.” Unripe fruits, seeds and aerial parts of Momordica charantia Linn. (Cucurbitaceae) have been globally used in the treatment of several ailments.

Barley (Hordeum Vulgare)
Barley has been an important foodstuff in the Arabian Peninsula since ancient times. It is reported that Aisha, may Allah be pleased with her, used to recommend Talbina (a meal made from powdered barley) for the sick or for those grieving a deceased person. She (Aisha), may Allah be pleased with her, said, “I heard the Messenger saying, ‘The Talbina gives rest to the heart of the patient and makes it active and relieves some of his sorrow and grief’.”82

These are just few among Islamic medicine, I can give you a link because it will do your household better..

Stop listening to to the media and what evil people wants you to hear about the prohpet do a personal unbiased report on the prophet Muhammad may the peace of Allah be upon him.

Your arguments and reasoning is neither here nor there, uncoordinated and irrelevant to my points. You like to waste words.

First i cannot commit blasphemy against Mohammed because he is not God. One can only commit blasphemy against God, that's, at least for those who believe in God.

Secondly, you hurriedly declared me a Christian, when i never claimed to be one. Who told you i believe in God? Do you know if I'm an atheist. What if im Jewish, guru maharaji, Buddhist, hindu, African traditional religionist etc

Again, you think that shouting that other religions are fake automatically proves that Islam true. That logic is flawed.

Now, let me make myself clear once again. Every evil committed by your prophet is recorded in your Islamic texts. I didn't forge them. The rape, the sex slavery, the murder, the wife beating, slave trading etc They are many, all of them are there in your Islamic texts for every interested person to see. I didn't tell Muhammad and his followers to rape slaves, i didn't tell him to make, sell and buy slaves.

Why are you uncomfortable because im talking about all the evil committed by Muhammad.

From your Islamic texts, you have shown me how good Muhammad could be. From the same Islamic texts, i have shown that he was a monster. A very evil being who refused to repent till he died.

Again you are trying to show how Muhammad helped people. My reply is, ' and so what '? What does that prove.? Muhammad's innocence or what?

To be frank with you, i don't understand how you think. Assuming a doctor cures people of infections, donates money to charity, donates money to churches, mosques but commits commits abortions in his clinic and refuses to repent. Now, tell me how can you classify such a person as a good person. The person is simply a monster.

Since when did rape and sex slavery become virtuous acts? Did these evil acts become virtuous to you because Muhammad did all of them and sanction his followers to do the same.?

Religion can be an opium. And you have been smoking this opium. That's why you deliberately refuse to see all these evil acts committed by Muhammad.

You talked about porn or some parts of the Bible sounding like porn.
This sounds very funny to me because you and i know that Muhammad was a sexual pervert. What he did to helpless women is a classic example of what you see in a pornographic movie. He even indulged in child pornography courtesy of Aisha.

Because Muhammad was a sexual pervert, he envisioned a pornographic paradise, where him and his followers will be having endless sexual intercourse with virgins etc.
This is simple psychology. He developed a paradise according to his mind set and behavior. Again, this is simple psychology. You don't need to be a rocket scientist in order to decipher this.

Why are you comfortable with telling lies. I know that Muhammad lied a lot but you don't have to be like him. Everyone knows the meaning of Isis. It means Islamic state of Iraq and syria.

I don't want to waste my time on other conspiracy theories you raised because they didn't erase the fact that Mohammed committed wicked acts as shown in your texts.

For you to be a true Muslim, you must behave like Muhammad. He raped women, he raped slaves and impregnated some of them. He practiced sex slavery, he beat women, he murdered people etc. A true Muslim must do the same.

I didn't get conversant with Islam or any other religion by listening to any media outlets. I studied Islam and Mohammed by reading Islamic texts. Everything Muhammad said and did is in your Islamic texts. EVERYONE SHOULD OPEN THESE TEXTS AND SEE FOR THEMSELVES. NO MORE LIES.

Seetto:
I am a Muslim, you don't need to tell me to get a copy of Hadith or sira, it is part our curriculum in Islamic school,

There alot of fake sites on the internet that have been spreading fake Hadith and twisted Hadith saying falsehood against the prophet and portraying him as bad person, we have been warned long ago when this blasphemy and annihilation against Islam started, most of the site as we were told were sponsored by Jews, these are the sites you guys stumbled into happily getting fake information you are looking for.

Prophet Muhammad may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and his household, he is a man of peace and love,

Let me narrate a scenerior that happens between the prophet and another man
The prophet held a branch of date palm tree he was moving it when the tree branch mistakenly cut one of his followers at shoulder, he seek for revenge, the prophet willingly agreed, he told the prophet he want exactly the position where the three cut him, the prohpet agreed and move his shoulder towards him, the man still insist he was not covering his shoulder when it cut him, the prophet shift his clothes at his shoulder for the man to revenge, the man hold the prophet and burst into tears, and said he has been looking for the opportunity to hold the prophet, he was surprise at the prophet action.

A man asked the prophet to give him ahis abayya an after dress someone gave the prophet, people quickly intervene and challenge him the why should he asked the prophet knowing that the prohpet will never reject his request, the man told them he requested for the cloth so that when he died he will be covered with the cloth.

You people knew not about the prophet, you go internet and stumbled on site designed by enemy of Islam to annihilate the religion.

Any responsible,nice and good Muslims you met, definitely they are trying to be like the prophets.

Concerning camel milk and urine, I will urge you to make scientific research on them.

Most of the evil committed by Muhammad that was presented here came with quotations, yet you want people here to believe that people are damaging Muhammad's image.

Pls everyone can go and check by asking Google. Google is your friend, ok. You don't need to maintain a lie.

Look as for the so good things that Muhammad did, those things cannot erase the atrocities that he committed. It means nothing. Idi Amin, Osama bin Laden, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and other evil people did many good things too. Does good deeds from an evil person automatically make him a good person. This is a wrong and funny logic. Many of our politicians are evil, yet they are very good to some people.

Everything wicked act by Muhammad is contained in your islamic literature. The rape, the murders, the stealing, etc are all in your literature. He was a slave trader. He sold and bought slaves. He raped many of the slaves and got them pregnant. He permitted his followers to do the same. These are facts from your Islamic texts.

I have read about Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad and other religious figures. Among all of these figures, Muhammad is the only person who conspicuously stands out as evil.

Jihadis around the world are the true followers of Muhammad. For you to be a true Muslim, you have to kill, rape, enslave, subjugate (etc) non Muslims just like Muhammad did.

You think you know Islam more than Isis leaders? Are you joking? You think you know Islam more than all leaders of Islamic terror organizations around world who kill non Muslims because of their religious beliefs. They know Islam more than you, simple. Many of them are Islamic scholars. Very educated. The only difference between you and those guys is that they are bold enough to follow the examples and teachings of Muhammad.

Look, anyone can worship whatever he wants, tree, water, stone but don't inconvenience others with your way of worship.

If there's a God who is love. That God cannot send an evil person like Muhammad to be his prophet.

As for Camel urine, you and i know that it cannot act as medicine because it's not medicine. It contains toxins and dangerous micro organisms which are capable of decimating someone's health. No doctor would recommend camel urine for you as medicine. Pls don't tell me that you really believe that camel urine is medicine. Does it cure covid 19 infection or what?

Seetto:
Like all the Muslims around you and those you meet everyday in your life are also evil, all these your copy and paste Hadith from fake sites, on this same forum, someone keep bringing Hadith on the internet until I brought same Hadith to counter his claims, he stopped and saw how it was twisted to mislead people.

Read a book about the prophet life, you will learn and pray to emulate his life, the prophet in his life has never wage war against christainity or Jews, he fought against his on people, the people of quraysh, they are idolaters, and he was on the defensive side, he never took war to them, they wage war against him and he never fought back Insisting on peace, until he receives revelation that he should fight back, that is the holy war(Jihad), and God gave him condition, they must not kill women, they must not cut down trees, who ever that is not holding sword must not be touched, and there are days they must not fight, they must treat their prisoners with kindness.

I didn't say that every Muslim is evil. If you call yourself a Muslim and refuse to emulate the life of your prophet, well you can still manage to function as a normal human being.

There is no way you will emulate Mohammed and not be evil. It's not possible. He lived a very bad life.

It's like you are shocked to see what the hadith says about Muhammad. I thought you were joking before or playing taquiyya.
It's like you are just seeing this for the first time.

My brother, everything you saw here is real. All of them are from your hadith. Even some Muslims here know that they are from your hadith. I have known this a long time ago. There is no need for denial. EVERYONE HERE SHOULD DO HIS OR HER OWN RESEARCH.

Actually, what baffles me is that many Muslims know that Muhammad committed all sorts of atrocities but somehow they chose to follow his ways.

I don't need to read any diluted / whitewashed version of Muhammad story. Please get a copy of hadith or Shira and read it yourself and discover the true Mohammed. It's all over the net and many book stores. It's not a lie. It's true. Mohammed even said that that you guys should drink camel urine as medicine.

The truth is that you yourself cannot do the kind of evil things that Muhammad did. Believe me, you cannot.

Seetto:
1. In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

2. All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).

3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

4. The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)

5. You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).

6. Guide us to the Straight Way

7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).

We recite this prayer five times compulsory in a day, Jews were caused by the tongue of Moses and Jesus son of Mary.

And for those of you that called yourself christain, God didn't even recognize you, cause you brought this upon yourself, Jesus never ask you to practise any religion called christainity it is your heart desires, you have seriously gone astray, I wonder why a sane person will be worshipping someone that has anus, that goes to toilet, to worsen the whole matter you brought a face of one white man, the son of a roman ceaser and called him Jesus and start worshipping him..

God turned himself to be human and offered himself to his own creature to disgracefully stripped him unclad and hung him on a tree like dead orangutan only for him to cry to whom to be save from death' he was even disappointed by himself ' oh Lord why have you forsaken him' you guys have really gone astray..

The white man that introduce the religion have for long be abandoning the religion

You are joker just like your prophet. No matter how you make caricature of other religions, it doesn't change the fact that Mohammed was a very evil man That is a fact. Is all there in your hadith. Why are you denying it. Why do Muslims lie a lot.

Are you trying to apply taquiyya on us. Well, we know better. You have to do better than that. I will rather worship a stone instead Mohammed and his sadistic Allah.

There is no way that one will emulate Mohammed and not be evil. This is why jihadis who emulate Mohammed are evil.

EVERYONE SHOULD GO AND DOWNLOAD HADITH AND SHIRA FROM MUSLIM WEBSITES, SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT ALL WE HAVE BEEN SAYING IS TRUE.

nurusystem:
Muhammad is your comforter or helper prophecy in john 14:16 and 16:13-14 he and ,he is a pronoun ,..

No sir. Mohammed cannot be my comforter because he was a sex slaver (he captured women and raped them) He also ordered his men to do the same, including yourself. He was a slave trader. He was an assassin. He practiced paedophilia. He murdered a lot of people etc.

He also said all kinds of wicked and crazy things. A lot.

How such a xter can be your comforter is beyond my imagination.

Everything your prophet said and did is in your koran, hadeeth and shira. All of them are there for everyone to see. His followers wrote all of them down. I didn't write them.

Most Muslims don't know much about Muhammad. Everything they know about Muhammad is from the lies your imams tell them.

I can never imagine to do the kinds of things that your so called prophet did. God forbid.

Mohammed said, " if anyone changes his /her religion ( Islam), kill the person." She is a very lucky person.

How people came to admire this character , Mohammed, is beyond my understanding.

Righteousness89:
GOD ALMIGHTY has used his Servants to Heal people. It's just that many of us decide to close our eyes..

GOD has used pastor Lazarus Muoka of the Lords Chosen to heal people . A brother in Spain in hospital bird got connected to the Ministration and got healed instantly. Testimonies also came in from London and other countries of people who got Healed from the Virus..

I saw the Testimony of someone in Canada who was Healed by Connecting to the Ministration of Bishop Oyedapo.

I heard of the woman in London whose husband had given up hope! Fortunately he got in contact with Pastor Eneche and Prayers were made and the woman was made Whole.


Only GOD can give Perfect Healing to any Diseases. Any True Doctor will tell u that.

You know you cannot prove all these. If you can, please do. Im waiting. All you just said are mere assertions and nothing more.

All you just said has no scientific evidence to back it up.

That someone recovered mysteriously from an illness doesn't make it a miracle.

Different people exhibit a particular behavior because of different reasons. I her case, we don't know the reason behind her actions because she has refused to communicate with her husband.

It might be that she has always been a person who was not really interested in sex. A lot of women have sex because they want to have babies especially African women and it might be so her case. Now that she has gotten a baby, for her, sex can wait until there is need for more babies.

It might be that she has not really enjoyed sex with her husband. So the CS and child birth presented her with much needed opportunities to quit sex at least for the mean time.

It might be as a result of the negative psychological effects she passed through due to the Cs and stress involved in childbirth. This can temporarily remove the sex drive in a woman.

She might be indirectly looking for more attention from the husband. Women always think they deserve more love and attention from the husband whenever they give birth to a child for the man especially the first child.

She might also be avoiding getting pregnant immediately after giving birth through cs. She needs time to heal.

Whatever the case might be, her refusal to talk with the husband will surely make the situation worse if the husband is not a very patient person. I pray that the man should exercise more understanding and patience.

I always tell men to stop begging any woman for sex. It's wrong. Stop! You can seduce a woman by words or actions but don't beg.

If you beg women for sex, they will always use it as a bargaining chip against a man in marriage and this is a very dangerous thing in a marriage. Women disrespect men who beg for sex. My mother warned me against this. She is a woman. Please stop begging her. Ignore that aspect of your marriage for now if you can

WORDWORLD:
You are still NOT MAKING ANY SENSE, as long as you remain adamant with the PRETEXT that RELIGION has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with this mass murder.

Bro, for the records according to the renowned Noam Chomsky and I quote him of which it is a fact that "THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILLED BY SANCTIONS IN IRAQ IS GREATER THAN THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILLED BY ALL THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION".

We are not talking about uncountable innocent souls of Iraqis murdered by the Super West during gulf wars despite till date without no presentation of weapons of mass destruction in the accused Iraq.

And then one Sunday Morning a certain Iraqi by the name Osama moves from Church to church killing Christians who are mainly Europeans and then he tells the world that he is only avenging for what the West did to Iraqis that it's not about religion but vengence for the innocent lives of his people.

TELL ME IF THIS CAN EVER BE ACCEPTED EVEN BY YOU THAT IT IS NOT 'ISLAMIC TERRORISM'!

And that has mostly been the case, alot of people fighting for freedom from oppression are labeled with the word TERRORIST even NESLSON MANDELA and his party the A.N.C remained on U.S.A list of terrorist until almost when he died. It didn't matter the noble course he was fighting for, fighting Invaders who have come to take away his land.

Let me address the way you ended your long talk. You quoting Karl Max, begs me to ask,

If the ANTI-RELIGIOUS RUSSIA a.k.a ATHEIST who spilt the blood of UNCOUNTABLE souls in Russia did so to get rid of the opium or religion?!

My point is very straight forward, you cannot completely exonerate RELIGION from what has happened in NEW ZEALAND no matter how much you may want to call Black, Blue.

Infact bearing in mind that he called this a revenge, with reference to the reign of Islam during its golden age in Europe. Even when his narrative is about White supermacist it still has religious under tune with the fact that he is defending a CHRISTIAN EUROPE that became dominated by a reign of Islam.

As regards Hitler. Hitler was a Christian who like many Christians hate Jews and for the records he was very much aided by the Vatican in making sure that he dealt very with the Jews. Pope Pius is very much refered to as Hitler's Pope.

I didn't mention Gideon Okar but Henry Okar. Infact the former when you read his coup speech you will find nothing more than a coup very much inspired by Religious and Tribal sentiment.

The point with mentioning Henry Okar is the fact that he is a Christian and the same judgement will not be if his name was Abubakar and was responsible for the 2010 independence Day bombings at eagle square.


CONCLUSION. LET OBJECTIVITY REIGN ALWAYS AND LET US QUITE THE DOUBLE STANDARD.

I wrote the below some time ago.



And that is through the lens of REALITY OF PERCEPTION IN PERFECT PRECISION and not religious sentimentalism assume.

There is nothing that i will say that will make sense to you because you view everything through the lens of religion. Im still adamant that religion was not a factor because there is no proof. You have to present evidence to prove your case. Experts in terrorism have said that it has nothing to do with religion. All news media are saying it has nothing to do with religion but some how you want me to believe in your own narrative. I will not believe you because all these people i mentioned above are in the position to know better. Mere assertions doesn't automatically become true because it is coming from you

About two years ago or so, a Muslim migrant entered a Catholic Church during mass and slit the throat of a 86 year old priest while shouting 'Allah is great '. Experts in terrorism determined that the man was having psychological issues. Who am i to say otherwise. The experts have spoken, i should believe them, my opinion doesn't matter. The preist was buried, case closed. I didn't blame Muslims or Islam. There are other cases like that across Europe.

You don't know me so don't tell me how I'm supposed to react. We are different individuals, from different backgrounds, with different upbringing so we can never react the same when presented with similar situations.

Your comment about Hitler and the Catholic Church is false. All you have to do is Google ' the persecution of the Catholic Church by Nazi Germany '.The Nazi government Murdered a lot of priests inside and outside concentration camps. Are you saying that the Pope connived with Hitler to kill priests and other catholics? This conspiracy theory doesn't make sense at all. Pope killing his people? Bro, not every conspiracy theory is true. That someone says something doesn't make it true, proof is necessary. Pls im a Catholic. I know this particular issue very well.

Thanks for the correction, Henry Okah. You like to assume things contrary to the available evidence. How do you know that every non Muslim would have seen Henry's crime differently had the the crime been committed by a Muslim? Are you God? Again, this is a mere assumption. You don't have any proof that non Muslims would have seen it differently. No evidence at all. You can't just say whatever your heart tells you and believe it to be true. This is why i said that you see everything from religious point of view.

Until you give me proof of your position, i will continue to stand with the official narrative.

WORDWORLD:
I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT MAKING ANY SENSE.

ollah2 should we not ask how Islam is a racial religion?!

The fact of the bolded in your comment is enough to ground it on religious sentiments rather than racial.

And your defense is very much baseless. This is not about the KKK who are Christians yet kill their fellow Christians just because of being BLACK.

"One wonders whether boundless, all embracing COMPASSION for our fellow creatures might not enable us to tackle the apparently insoluble problems of a time of drastic, and rapid change. UP TO NOW,WHEN EVER A SOCIETY TAKES A NEW LEAF, IT HAD THE DEVIL AT IT'S ELBOW". (Eric Hoffer, Reflection on the Human Condition)

If you want to start an argument don't start it by telling your opponent that he is not making sense rather interact with the person's point first. Telling the person that he is not making sense doesn't mean the person is not making sense. You have to prove it first.

I understand you, Islam is not a race but Islam is overwhelming the religion of non whites. This is simply true. He chose the mosque because he knew he would see non whites inside the mosque. Secondly, he chose the muslim community in particular who are obviously overwhelmingly non whites because he believes Muslims are killing his people. He has said so and i don't have any reason to believe otherwise. He simply equates Muslims to non whites and he is not far from the truth. I have said these things before. His logic might be wrong but he believes in it anyway just like others terrorists do.

The illustration you gave with kkk is flawed. Are you trying to tell me that every murder committed by Muslims against non Muslims and vice versa are religiously motivated? This is the point you're trying to make here. Are you trying to tell me that Hitler murdered six million jews because of their religion (Judaism) instead of their race? Remember, Hitler was also a white supremacist. Your conclusion on this point simply cannot be true. I believe the reason why you think this way is because you view everything through the lens of religion.

You mentioned Gideon Okah. This man didn't say that God, Allah or Budah sent him. He gave the reasons for his actions too which has nothing to do with religion.s Your are making a big mistake here in your analysis, trying to force through your own opinion on the matter.

The jews and Muslims murder one another in isreal all the time yet the motive is not religious rather political.

Pls, let us try and treat each case based on its merits.ie evidence not mere assertions. As far as this terror attack is concerned, no one has been able to show that religion is a factor.

According to Karl max: 'religion is the opium of the masses '. Many people here have overdosed themselves with this opium.

ollah2:
I didn't insult you but said your defence was senseless, apologies if you took it as an insult but my point still stand that it's a religious attack. He traveled to the Balkans in the past three years, where he toured historic sites and studied battles between Christians and the ottoman empire.

His rifles contained names of legendary Serbs and Montenegrins who fought against the 500 year rule of the Muslim ottoman in the Balkans written in the cyrillic alphabet used by the two orthodox Christian nations but it's not a religious attack to you.

Thanks for clarifying what you mean by senseless though i think such words has no place in this our enlightening discussion. No offence taken, though.

Thanks again for the new info you bought on the table but the info doesn't strengthen your position rather it strengthens mine. For you to understand a criminal you have to view things through the lens with which the person view things.

The turks were the custodian of the Muslim ottoman empire. The turks are not considered White people by many white people. White supremacists don't consider turks as white people. Jews are not considered as white people in the western world. That you have pale skin doesn't make you white. To a white supremacist you're still inferior.

In his studies of the battles between white Christians and Muslims ottoman, he didn't see a religious war rather he saw a race war. You are the one seeing it from the religious point of view, he didn't see it that way. He saw non white Muslim ottomans ruling over and killing the superior white race which is a taboo in the world of a white supremacist. Consequently, he decided to take revenge on this group of non whites(Muslims) who has been killing them( whites). He also gave example of Islamic terror attacks in France on white people as one of his motives. He never gave any religious reasons for his actions. He made his motives clear. The truth is that majority of Muslims are unfortunately still non whites therefore they are easy targets for white supremacist who see them as killers of white people.

The names on his riffles proves nothing. His admiration for these figures is not a matter of religious beliefs. He seeing them as heroes who fought the ottomans (oppressors) against all odds to librate the white race( victims). This is simple psychology. Most terrorists see themselves as victims.

Im not saying that a Christian cannot Kill muslims for religious reasons. There have been instances like that but this instance is not one of them. There is no proof / evidence to support such notion. The evidence to support your stance might still come out later but for now there's none.