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CraigB: I thought you were leaving me. What happened? The truth weighed too heavy on your mind?

I'm so dull I can't even be ignored. I love this version of dullness. It's the business.Hard hitting dullness that drives idiöts crazy.

The CAR argument died a painful death about 50 pages ago already. Only one country on this thread made history as part of the first and very successful offensive UN mission. That's South Africa. And that was after CAR.

Try another one. Hit the "thinking" switch and cum laude. Let's see what you can do. You've done nothing but foam in the mouth, so far.

Only one country on this thread had two missions crumble within weeks, in Darfur and Mali. That's Naai-geria.

And to make matters worse, Naai-geria, like the useless military that they are, got themselves stuck in a muddy war against countrymen. A war that they can't get out of now. You are in need of saving by the US.

You wouldn't know a lost cause if it hit you in the face. State of emergency extension? Anyone? There's no winning here. You are done for. Read my lips: no victory shall be declared against boko haram anytime soon.

Countries that know what they are doing are out influencing nations. South Africa just signed the Inga dam deal. Tanzania is also waiting for a drc deal of sorts. Just reward for foreign policy well played, I say.

Where's Naai-geria and its idïots of leaders and quarreling tribes? Oh, they are stuck in Naai-geria fighting a useless war by useless people. Where is your military foreign policy? Oh, that? Who needs that, right? Naai-gerians and their military would rather pop each other within their borders so they can be recognised as a useful military. What twisted logic!

We have looked in the mirror, alright. We've looked and we've found sure-footed people who know exactly what they are doing. You stay where you are in Northern Naai-geria. We will see you after 10, 15, 20 years or however long it takes you to get out of the mess you've created for yourself.

Useless military - the Naai-gerian military.

honestly. even an !diot will put up a better argument than you.

are we talking about foreign policy failures or military combat effectiveness and experience? any f00l would know there's a difference.
you are just mumbling from on angle to another like a parrot without an objective.

i'm not sure you are equipped to argue foreign policy with me cos you'll end up running in circles like a confused dog as you are doing right now.

These south Africans are so funny. chai. .

SANDF. a military that runs away from a real war only to hide behind thousands of soldiers to fight an already defeated rebel group.

next thing you know their dulll citizens are here taking glory for an effort the world put together. even the country that led the battle is not making noise about it. smh

what kind of a military does that if not to hide their weakness.

these novices are yet to learn what war is all about. and like one of my guys rightly said. SANDF is yet to be tested in any war or real combat no matter how they keep hiding behind other African countries. SANDF is inexperienced and a bunch of pus5ies.

top military ranking by experiences.

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CraigB: "Who has the strongest military in africa?" Is the argument.

Don't come here with stûpid and irrelevant points of desperation. Show where the south African army is bogged down by killings in south africa so that it's stuck in never-ending internal wars. All you irrelevant points serve to reveal nothing but how pathetic and desperate you've become. The truth is stating you in the face about the uselessness of your military. You can't run away from it - even if South Africa had a million-strong AWB.

You are an idïot and you should indeed leave me. Only your useless army is waging and internal war with fellow countrymen, so that it's foreign policy has become a fragment of the imagination of nairalanders.

The SANDF is happily in the drc. You, on the other hand are running around countryside of your country, where you will be for the foreseeable future and the next decade after Biafra decides to pick up where boko haram left off.

Leave me indeed. You have no business here. Not until you hit the "thinking" switch, which clearly has gone fishing.

i love it when the truth bites you so hard and makes you mad . don't blame me for what you started. mr incoherent fake attorney

Boko haram is defeated and has been moved out of urban areas to remote and boarder towns, boko haram has lost most of it's leaders including it's number one man (shekau). who do you think made that happen within six months? Nigerian military

you just keep showing your dumb self by ignoring that Nigeria still has troops stationed in SL, Liberia, Guinea, and Sudan. ordinary drc is making you overexcited while your troops fled from C.A.R and itching to go back with help from African Union like they did in drc.

if you are crying like a baby that SANDF is in drc, what should Tanzanians say as they are in command of your army?

and your question is highly unreasonable and childish to justify any military ranking by an internal operation that does not even have up to 5% of our military involved. or have you suddenly forgotten that Nigerian army alone has almost about 150 000 personnel alone? you dull guy

so what should i say about SANDF that cannot end common poaching and has hundreds of troops engaged in the operation?

next time look in the mirror before you call someone else an !diot. asylum seeker claiming US attorney how dumb

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CraigB: Pathetic. Putting up pictures of Boy Scouts that our military does not even lose a night's sleep over.

Try another one, desperado.

I don't see bodies floating in rivers and ponds because of the Boy Scouts.

But I do see blood flowing down valleys and dripping from trees in Naai-geria, thanks to boko haram killings, religious killings, ethnic killings and god forbid, Biafran rage.

Don't waste our times. Rather tell us when your army is planning to prove itself useful once and for all, by defeating boko haram, so that it's free to pursue foreign policy.

You have no foreign policy to speak of. It's dead, buried and forgotten. You are useless as a military nation. And that, you shall be until infinity. You're stuck forever and a day. That's until you develop brains and stop the wars in that country of yours.

No amount of harmless, but lost Boy Scout pictures will save you from military uselessness.

and who told you south Africans are not killing each other everyday. murder and crime in SA can only be compared to be worst than a country in turmoil. even boko haram does not beat your statistics. so what are you crying about.

one of your best athlete had to shoot his own fiance for fear of being a victim of the daily murder and crime you face. even C.A.R has better statistics than SA in murder and crime and yet you are not fighting any war. your problem must be worst than Nigeria's for sure

white farmers are murdered in cold blood and the news hidden from the world. where's the brain in that.

dude, your asylum in US has really made you lose touch with realities on ground.

but while you mumble, the clock ticks.

I leave you to your delusions. Mr "i became an attorney on nairaland"

CraigB: Don't make me laugh, when I'd pretty much rather weep at the sight of this pathetic post of yours.


Since when is something a little better than "boy scout" training comparable to "military training"?

Rather, just go and count the bodies that are piling up in Naai-geria, thanks to boko haram killings, religious killings, ethnic killings and now, soon-to-be (God forbid), Biafran anger.

Your military is stuck in a never-ending war forever and ever. That you still have delusions about being something worth talking about in Africa makes me, well, laugh.

you know @augugust was right. arguing with you is more like lecturing an ignorant lost kid and the bolder above further proves it. attorney indeed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucQBv03as1w

you call this pathetic? i think you are the one that's pathetic and you must be weeping for yourself by now.
what are you afraid of that you people keep living in denial of a problem that keeps growing yearly and waiting for a time it will explode. now i know what is wrong with south africans especially whites. no matter how hard you keep trying to live in denial, the problem still remains and will keep growing.

please i want anyone who's reading this to watch the video. it's different from the first i posted and it gets intereting from 6:30 mins.


In March 2008, the AWB announced it was re-activating for 'populist' reasons, citing the encouragement of the public. Reasons for the return include the electricity crisis, corruption across government departments and rampant crime.[15] Plans include a demand for land that they claim is legally theirs in terms of the Sand River Convention of 1852 and other historical treaties, through the International Court of Justice in The Hague if necessary, and if that failed, taking up arms. In April 2008, Terre'Blanche was to be the speaker at several AWB rallies in Vryburg, Middelburg and Pretoria.[16] Several areas in South Africa have been earmarked as part of a future Volkstaat according to three critical title deeds. The areas include; Vryheid in KwaZulu-Natal, the old republics of Stellaland and Goshen in the far North-West and sections of the Free State.[16]

Amidst a Facebook race row concerning North West University students, the South African press revealed that the AWB have been using the social networking site to recruit members. The Mail and Guardian newspaper revealed that the AWB group has over 5000 members, and appeals to 18- to 35-year-olds to join the organisation's youth wing.[17][18] Steyn van Ronge was recently announced as the permanent leader of the organisation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaner_Weerstandsbeweging

keep fooling yourself. south africa is sitting on a keg of gunpowder and with the incompetency of the ANC, it will only get worse. how do you think it will end? your country is already the ra.pe capital of the world, crime and murder is even worse than a country in civil war, extremists groups are springing up every now and then with training camps your government is too scared to challenge etc.

a more powerful SADF couldn't stop an ANC insurgency and you think the weak and useless SANDF will be able to quell another upcoming rebellion? save your tears for the time for that is not now.

just like the saying goes, "every dog has it's day". and SA's day is just around the corner. tick tock tick tock

CraigB: The useless naai-gerian loser-itary will still not have defeated boko haram, by the 2015 spoken of here.

shall we also start talking about seperatists movements that are under going military training in SA? cos you know you've got them as well and your government is just sleeping on the fence damn hypocrites

watnowb*tch:
What really suprises me is that even though your country has 170million people to our 50million you are still behind us in gdp and also have no modern fighters that could even compare to the gripen along with this the so called "unproven" rooivalk recently killed m23 rebels in the congo on november 4th a day later I quote"the remaining m23 senior comanders have now fled across the border into rwanda" also on the 5th november reuters reported that"m23 rebels have decided to lay down their arms" I enjoyed nigerias large input into the region... oh wait ther was none further south africa could easily relaunch its nuclear program to which nigeria would be helpless as south africa has also previously begun developing a ICBM which was stopped but if we really wanted we could just drop nukes from one of our c-130's and finally to end IF there was a war between the two nations and sanctions were placed on them who would still have a advanced arms industry capable of building mirages(atlas cheetas)aswell as rooivalks,r5 rifles ,various artilery pieces,aa guns and basically anything that would be needed for war

Another dreamer

Are you talking about sanctions where all western nations will obey or do you think SA will still be in existence if those countries actually abided by those sanctions? Cos all these you mentioned were built for you by Israel, France, germany, Britain etc

Fighter Pilot: Agaugust busy ranting like an embecile "blah! Blah! Blah! Blah!" Without facts

How can you understand when you are not a Nigerian Any Nigerian that is familiar with the military understands that well. So zip it

agaugust: .

the next lie you will tell us here is that your grandmother is still a virgin as at today

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You don kill me.

He has become so predictable

Mike..ZA:
The ECOWAS was crying "this South African war ship will complicate things". Your jets will have to dave down to attack with rockets,only to shot down from the sky by the Umkhonto. That NNS Arandu would have been sunk by a torpedo,within weeks of doing that.

Now I believe you are a drunken ninja

SAS drakensbarg has no missiles, no torpedoes, no dept charges. Just two guns. It is just a logistics ship that carries two Oryx helos that even an alpha jet will shoot down.

Even Somali pirates will board and overtake that ship.

Stop this your Hollywood dreams

The thing is that people don't understand that you don't need to smoke it. Chewing weed or cooking it with your food is healthier than smoking. And it lasts longer in the system than smoking, gives you a whole new level of highness. Legalized or not, it doesn't stop whoever wants to have a feel of it.

It's just the way those garage boys and touts use it that makes it look criminal.

Other than that, it's aight

Mike..ZA:
Nigeria doesn't have any combat record please.

The post above proves that @mikeza is a loony and way too ignorant. I'll be sure to educate you for free as my contribution to humanity. Poor boy

Fighter Pilot: Is this another analysis from a palm wine tapper or what?

Obviously the only response you can think of since you don't have answers to back up your amateur claims. Smh. You should be flying kites instead of being in the airforce

Fighter Pilot: Your mind is too short for that of an MBA graduate, infact it cannot even equal that of a high school student. Wonder why your fellow countrymen have even neglected you? Is because the salt that you used to have is starting to dissolve away and has subsequently turned you into a moemish. Your story is not coherent. Countries voluntarily support who ever they want to support based on what they believe in.

It is not that Nigeria could not see that South Africa was bullying Angola and Fidel from many miles away gave his selfless support, irrespective of whether was communist or not, he needed your support, for which you failed to offer, because your very country was also in turmoil. So how can a blind man guide the way for another blind man.

Do you even bother to go through facts before talking this kind of giberish? Do you think Cuba just appeared on Angolan soil without request from the Angolans? Which country runs into a conflict like a cowboy without invitation from the host? Pls just gimme one.

Fighter Pilot: Nigerian police and prison, yes they are militarised. It shows you know nothing about your country. Wonder why police are also used to fight Boko Haram, it is because they are military and that's why they are wearing beret to signal military culture. It was not long that SA police were militarised as well, because all along were structures of public service. They had to change their rank structure to that of military, and now almost all the police in Africa are military. Do not downplay the numbers, BH killed over 3000 nigerian uniformed soldies some of which were hidden away from media reports.

Is this niqqur high on drugs or what. Nigerian police and prisons are militarized and all African police are militarized as well? all these trash just so you could justify your earlier misyarn. You are funny

Mind you our real military are still fighting, have gained all territories, and winning boko haram while seleka pushed SANDF out of CAR never to return.

DictatorZAR: Listen here just shut up because a Nigerian has no right to call me a foreigner in my ancestral land absolutely none, im not a tribalist race concious boy like you nigerians who feel like foreigners in your own country when visiting other regions this aint Fashola land where Igbos get repatriated back to there little mud villages in there own country.

If you see others as invaders to score points its your issue not mine, if the constitution of my country say South Africa is home to all who live in it nomather race colour or creed then thats what I respect not a prescription by a none South African trying to affirm his backward views.

SA had a racial past and thats gone. The only group of people who can truly declare they are ethnically South African is khoisan/bushman and nobody else. You should stick to your yoruba/hausa/fulani/igbo sh.t where tribalism is on the forefront between north/south/west.

You can never try in your dull live to teach me about my own history same way im keeping my distance on yours. Stick to the topic you person.

. The only person deviating from the topic to avoid the truth about SA defence industry history is you. And guess what... It involves the past. That's how you know what led to the present dummy.

Be careful not to bite your tongue cos this your rage will do you no good

DictatorZAR: You do know the Rooivalk is a full assault gunship and is not even in the class of a hind you dummy. This shows you not in the defense industry. The Rooivalk is in the class of the Apache even the Apache isnt a transporter.

There are moves a Rooivalk can do like vertically up or down that no Hind can do. You do also know that the engine of the Rooivalk is more powerfull then the M-24 also. Another thing is you forget DENEL is upgrading all hinds in Africa and is the only accredited company to do so outside EU.

so why isn't any country interested

DictatorZAR: While you on this topic did you know SA supplied the US with much of its Uranium it used in its current nuclear arsenal since the 1950's so your foolish rants has no argument.

Did you know that even the Chinese tried to steal some of Denel's missile tech by pretending to be interested in buying the A-datar some years ago to a point where a almost similar missile surfaced later looking exactly the same as denels a-dartar. So please once again it seems to you know 0000 about the politics behind militaries and the procurement of weapons other then what you read on beagle.

stop giving me all these stories. do you want me to post your comment where you claimed SA developed it's weapons industry without foreign help? or has your conscience finally whispered the truth to your dull head that you started confessing

you seem to be a fan of beegeagle's blog to have made such reference just cause i'm holding your balls so tight you can't think straight. not bad.

DictatorZAR: what stopped you from acquiring high end weapons and make them inside naai-ja.

i'm getting tired of repeating myself to enlighten an empty head like you your teacher must have had a hard time with you

Nigeria had 2 allies who abandoned us during sanctions (Britain and Canada). do you think south africa would have achieved what it did without help from EU, US and Israel? or are you okay at all. when was iran sactioned that you think they couldn't have achieved what they have? mind you mr dummy, iran was slammed with Economic sanctions to limit it's funding for it's Nuclear weapons program not military sanctions. and tll date they still get weapons from russia. sheesh you can't be that ignorant na

and North korea is still being backed by it's traditional ally(china). china still gives military and Economic aid to NK. Nigeria didn't have the kind of support these countries had. including SA. i don't know why you keep evading this truth.

DictatorZAR: You call whites in SA settlers we call them citizens and brothers. Please tell me do 3-5 generation Italians and Greeks living in America call themselves settlers. Only a naai-ja race obsessed fool can continue to tell a south african whose great grand parents were born in SA he is a foreigner. Your the only daft goat here.

Are you sure you are not an immigrant who just got SA citizenship? Cos you seem to keep denying the painfully truthful past of south Africa. Or maybe you are one of those dumb juveniles who's yet to be educated about your history.

There's a clear difference between Apartheid south Africa and the rainbow south Africa. Please your parents have not hired me to educate you so you'll have to do that yourself oh my.. you must be white then .

Mind you American history is different from south Africa's. totally different. Even the boars gave blacks the right to co-exist in the 90s and many blacks still see whites as descendants of invaders. Fact. Deal with it king dummy

DictatorZAR: Did you read ofshore patrol vessel not suitable for deep water naval engagements its a OPV do come now and claim again with your lies its a frigate

Try to enlighten yourself and do some research about the said vessel and stop making a fool of yourself abeg.

DictatorZAR: Exportation of what not dreams of exporting ships thats not even yet in production.

You nutskulls said your defense companies are better then SA's and is producing better systems sometime ago especially your Yahoo boy aka Aguagust.

Yes our defence industry strived but that was also because of R& and the threat of the Soviet's which made SA think out of the box with regards to the resources we had. But for a fool like you to come and tell us SA had no involvement in the development of its weapons industry and was merely copying is totally foolish.

It seems you still dont get it tell countries who developed there own missile systems are they copying others or are they innovative enough to take a existing system and use it as a base to create there own, arent your chinese the leaders in this copy cat game since they became the leaders in counterfits.

You are daft I swear. If not I'll like you to post the person's comment that said Nigerian defence industry is older and better than SA. If not then you are more confused than I thought.

I stand by what I said. SA got help because of the white settlers you have and they were in control, so there was every reason for the west to back the white government that was fighting for survival. My father was an international relations analyst who studied the apartheid south Africa before he retired to politics, so I don't mince words when I say your defence industry thrived under sanctions not because SA thought out of the box but because Europe and Israel felt the apatheid government needed protection. That's a fact you have to live with.

DictatorZAR: Show us what your 70% slum dwellers has achieved in its entire existence as a nation in the field of military.

Are south Africans this dumb that you can't comprehend the simplest things?

Get this into your fried brain. For some reasons you are too slow to recognize our defence industry is too young and yours old. Do you need a textbook for that? Or has any Nigerian claimed we have a very developed defence industry?

Mind you, that post is as original as zuma's ugly face. And anyone who knows south Africa's apartheid history would understand it better. your dull head should have understood what the post meant.

Your arms industry thrived under sanctions with outside help( which you denied shamelessly) while ours didn't, which we had to start all over again after the sanctions and embargoes were lifted in 2000. Simple

Grow up and think objectively. In just few years we are ready to start exportation, we are building a standard stealth warship(first African country to do such) along with many others. Be honest with yourself and ask if that's not progress for such a young sector.

The way you people always need too much talk to understand the simplest things just makes me wonder

Thiza: naijas show the world ur indegenous production without any technological borrowing from any western country.

@AUGUSTUS THE UAV TECHNOLOGY IS FROM ISRAEL NOT NIGERIAN

http://beegeagle./2013/07/03/an-israeli-made-aerostar-drone-of-the-nigerian-air-force-photo-credit-federal-ministry-of-information/

Scandal in Nigeria over Israeli arms firm’s Internet spying contract: @AUGUSTUS YOU DONT HAVE UR CAPACITY
http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CEEQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Felectronicintifada.net%2Fblogs%2Fjimmy-johnson%2Fscandal-nigeria-over-israeli-arms-firms-internet-spying-contract&ei=48eNUqWHHKWM0AXJsoGQBA&usg=AFQjCNGDD1__vVHvPYFLDGt4_kV9CAxw6Q

you must be brain dead not to be able to analyze what you read

when did we ever deny using israeli drones huh? so if you don't copy and past you'll never be able to say something different
[size=14pt]Nigerian Air Force testing indigenous UAVs[/size]
i don't have time for stories so read it yourself dummy
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31822:nigerian-air-force-testing-indigenous-uavs&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

stay off drugs. they'll do you no good boy

DictatorZAR: Know why dont you pair the M-24 against a rooivalk and lets see who will win mr know it all and while your at it say thanx to the same Denel who is currently upgrading the same Hinds to get upto standard of the same rooivalks you try to mock.

Tell us what has your shi..thole exported not futuristic Adoni look alike river patrol boats.

Denel has built iCBM's to Cruise missiles and fighter jets, what has Dicon and proforce done, and please dont talk about those 1960's look alike APC's that cant even be compared to a Casper or Ratel in 2013.

Do you really work in the defense industry because you argue like a typical Yahoo boy somewhere in makoko slum.

and you argue like a kid who's too slow to understand what he reads. your ICBM's was developed foor you by israel. your ratel was built with foreign assistance (engineers). south african defence industry was developed by EU and Israel. Most of the engineers in DENEL are foreign engineers, and South africa has many arms companies that are not indigenous. thank your stars for that and stop mocking a country that is developing it's arms industry alone.

DictatorZAR: All sh.itt talk to me show me what you've developed that is of nato standard. In apartheid only Israel was SA's ally and there were arms embargo on SA too they couldnt by amy aircraft so Isreal only helped with the airframe development of the Cheetah and we gave them Uranium and helped there diamond industry including with there agriculture so it was a win win arangement.

Nigeria back then with its military regime couldnt even support the anti apartheid movement with military support.

SA developed homegrown defense industries without much outside help. So tell me did israel help with SA's world class MRAP developments in the 1970's. Did the EU develop the Rooikat, Casper and G6.

Show me one blue water naval ship ever built in nigeria by nigeria without outside help because that is what SA did with the SAS Drakensburg, yes the that same ship which made your foolish politicians cry fowl with the Ivory Coast saga.

Fool you need to read your history SA was also kicked out of the commonwealth in the bad old days we lived under sanctions also from sport to economic.

Tell me which country developed the Umkhonto SAM system that is being used by Finland tell me who developed the Umbani that Pakistan bought. Tell me who developed and innovated the HMI helmets the hole world uses today. Ask the Russians who today is upgrading there hinds, including the only accredited Hind service network.

Talking about no SA defence company being indigenous please boy can you tell me who owns Denel africa's largest defence company please do tell me because it seems im hopelessly uninformed.

this is the reason why i dislike most south africans on this forum... Liars. liars. liars with egotistic problems.

don't try me when it comes to history, even south african. cos i seem to know more about your country's history than you lots.

[size=13pt] South Africa Growth of the Defense Industry[/size]
South Africa's domestic arms industry originated in 1940 with the appointment of an Advisory Committee on Defence Force Requirements to study and to assess the country's military-industrial potential. Relying on its recommendations, the government, with British assistance, established six factories to produce or to assemble ammunition, bombs, howitzers, mortars, armored vehicles, and electronic equipment

Before the voluntary UN arms embargo was declared mandatory in 1977, South Africa received military technology through licensing agreements, primarily with West Germany, Italy, Israel, France, Belgium, and Canada. Licensing and coproduction agreements in the 1970s and 1980s made it difficult to distinguish between fully indigenous military manufactures and those that relied on foreign manufacturing capabilities

[size=13pt] Defying International Embargoes[/size]
Despite the numerous international embargoes against arms trade with South Africa in the 1970s and 1980s, it nonetheless developed the most advanced military-industrial base on the continent.

in the deliberate refusal by several countries to comply with the embargoes; in Pretoria's use of clever and covert circumvention techniques; and in its ability to develop and to exploit advanced commercial and "dual-use" technologies for military applications. By the late 1960s, South Africa had acquired at least 127 foreign production licenses for arms, ammunition, and military vehicles. South Africa had purchased fighter aircraft, tanks, naval vessels, naval armaments, and maritime patrol aircraft, primarily from Britain. After that, military equipment was carefully maintained, upgraded, and often reverse-engineered or copied, after the embargo made it difficult to obtain replacements or replacement parts.

During the 1970s, South Africa expanded and refined its ability to acquire foreign assistance for domestic military production. Its broad-based industrial growth enabled it to shift imports from finished products to technology and components that could be incorporated into locally designed or copied military systems. Through this maneuver, multinational firms and banks became major sources of technology and capital for South Africa's defense industry, even during the embargo era.

Dual-use equipment and technology--such as electronics, computers, communications, machine tools, and industrial equipment--and manufacturing techniques were not subject to embargo and were easy to exploit for military applications. South African engineers also were able to modify, to redesign, to retrofit, and to upgrade a wide range of weapons using foreign technology and systems.

South Africa also invested in strategic foreign industries; recruited foreign technicians to design, to develop, and to manufacture weapons; rented and leased technical services, including computers; and resorted to cover companies, deceptive practices, third-country shipments, and outright smuggling and piracy to meet its defense needs. By the 1980s, the defense industry, as extensive as it was, was nonetheless incapable of designing and producing some advanced military systems, such as high-performance combat aircraft, tanks, and aerospace electronics.


The new Government of National Unity in 1994 faced the dilemma of whether to dismantle the defense industry many of its leaders had reviled for two decades or to preserve a lucrative export industry that still employed tens of thousands of South Africans. After some debate, President Mandela and Minister of Defence Joe Modise decided to maintain a high level of defense manufacturing and to increase military exports in the late 1990s
http://www.photius.com/countries/south_africa/national_security/south_africa_national_security_growth_of_the_defens~2506.html

so please stop deceiving yourselves and some ignorant south africans that you developed your defence industry alone during sanctions. western countries traded with SA, helped you with your military capabilities. even SA was Britains largest trading partner in Africa under sanctions. while Nigeria was completely abandoned because we didn't have European settlers. Fact

do you think i just come here blabbing without proof like you. i'm just not accustomed to the copy and paste mentality you people depend on to pass information.

like i said earlier, Nigerian defence industry is very young and wholly indigenous and so far we are doing very well. deal with it or go flush your head in a toilet.

DictatorZAR: What rage SA is already and has done that years ago we build the SAS Drakenburg which is far larger then any naval ship in your sorry a.ss Naai-ja Navy.

SAN also has projects to built its own ships inhouse with project Biro, so nothing new. Tell me will nigeria built the weapons suits itself or will it be the Chinese because they helping you.

Did you know SA's goverment owned CSIR has developed a radar system capable of tracking stealth objects through passive radar systems, making it one of less then 10 nations who has developed such technology.

Building 10-30m ships is not something to through a Cassava party over.

Should we list all of our current from Rheimethal, Paramount, Reutech and Denel who by any standard has way more sophisticated then any weapons manufacturer on this continent.

Would your country be able to sell those fishing trawlers to Nato nations too

Hahahahahaha... Cry baby

You must be sooo damn ignorant not to know that Nigerian defence industry came to a halt during all the military regimes which accounts for the failure of our country... Yes Nigeria came to a halt due to sanctions ranging from economic to military. We even got suspended from the commonwealth.

But while the world abandoned us, apartheid south Africa still enjoyed the best corporation from EU, US and Israel. From economic to military while SA was no different from Nigeria in human rights violation.

Israel helped you develop your missile programs, built your cheeter jets etc. Many of your weapons were developed with assistance from European countries like your roivaalk helicopter that France developed it's engine, Your tank was British most of the oefence companies in SA are not indigenous or need I say more?

China is only assisting Nigeria with a stealth warship which is meant to be a starting point to building bigger and more sophisticated vessels which south Africa only dreams of developing. Every other weapon is proudly made by and for Nigerian military and our defence industry is still very young, having come alive after return to democracy and look how well we are growing.


You develop what suits you and we develop what suits us. Shikena

But don't think because we don't export weapons means we don't make them.

agaugust: Nigeria is about to build and export small sized warships

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/11/nigerian-navy-export-war-ships/?

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You should have left the clown to continue ranting with rage

Nigeria may not be exporting yet, but we have been building our capability to produce our weapons locally.

Proforce just signed a contract with DICON to mass produce armoured vehicles and I heard they are Woking on building a tank.
The navy now produces up to 35 meter ships which are due for exportation.

The army has built it's armored vehicle and is about to mass produce (igirigiri)

The air force is set to launch it's jet trainer next year, is locally maintaining our air crafts (unlike SANDF), builds drones locally, etc.

We locally produce our bulletproof vests, ballistic helmets, assault rifles, mortars, RPGs, maintain our equipments locally and working on an indigenous missile program.

So I no just understand wetin d guy dey try yarn.

this is the reason why these old and useless polithieftians will continue looting us till there's nothing to steal again. And the worst thing would be that the so called youths assisted them.

if you arrest ijaw man for corruption, the ijaw youths will protest. arrest ibo, ibo youths will protest. arrest Yoruba, the youths will protest. arrest Hausa, the same foolish youths that suffer the worst level of poverty and deprivation in the country will call it politically motivated.

you see, the youths of this country are not ready to have a future, not ready to fight for it and not ready to die for it. else why would these criminals still use them to defend their criminal activities? are these not the people we keep praying to experience the worst death?

I really tire for this country I swear. most of the stup1d youths deserve the same faith as these corrupt bastarrds.

Fighter Pilot: Don't look at the history, concentrate on the current affairs. There were many countries in Asia which were established through colonisation. We cannot put that as an excuse. The question is what have African leaders achieved ever since the colonisers left?

guy, for telling me not to look at the history, it shows you don't even know what you are talking about. yes many african leaders failed especially Nigeria but you can't ignore the fact that colonialism still exists in other forms in Africa. use your head to find out how.

Many african countries have resource but lack control of them. isn't that a form of it? look, Africa's problems will never be solved cos the foundations that led to our independence were not solid.

Nigeria has woken up from it's slumbers, we have more than 50% of our oil industry controlled by indigenous companies, in just 10 years Nigerian economy is close to overtaking SA, infrastructures are being developed etc. i think Nigeria is on track. i don't know about other countries

Jihaljihad: If I may put my few cents of comments in I must say I totally dissagree with this notion. This is typical of us africans blaming europe and others for the inherent african desease we have in our own leaders who only looks at there own pockets rather then the population.

Why do africa need westerners for technology transfer to build simple infrastructure like roads sanitation, what technology do you need for those.

What developmental knowledge did the Europeans had to share with africa after independence, please explain brother. Nigeria and 95% of of the continent received its independence in the same time period as nations like Malaysia, Singapore and others, where are those asian nations today or are you telling me the fathers of civilisation cant be innovative and create there own. Why didnt african nations withheld there mineral resources and human capital after there independence and looked in worth for solutions why, why did the so called independence leaders who fought for so called independence turned back to there masters and sell our resources to develop the West and now China, India and Russia.

I do not wanna talk about South Africa but, they chose a path of development not civil wars and corruption to gain power like the rest of africa. The whites in South Africa chose SA as there homeland the same as the Portuguese, French and Belgians chose Brazil and Canada developing it into a stable democracy.

Nigeria for all its human capital and resource should be a $1,5trillion economy like Brazil and Mexico, instead its so called leaders like ours in Egypt took power by military force for decades and is know arguing with South Africans with a 55m population on who is better.



Can you kindly go read Nigeria's and africa's history after colonialism including the failures of us civil society for not being active and responsive to hold our "leaders" accountable. It seems ignorance is bliss

if you don't mind me answering you with another question. since US claimed to be an ally with egypt and a brother to israel, why has egypt not been able to tap into the economic benefits if there was any? why is the US helping to develop Israeli defence industry and only exports weapons to egypt? why is egypt unable to have it's own tanks, fighter jets etc. instead of depending on US for importation and maintenance of these weapons? you can't deny the fact that western countries are far more superior in technological advancement than any african country and it has always been a leverage in our dealings with them. perhaps to keep us in check

perhaps you are the one that needs to read about african countries after independence. start from west african francophone countries to Nigeria and find out how oppositions to western political and economic manipulations after independence were either assassinated or toppled.