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Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by cloudgoddess(f): 6:49am On Mar 31, 2016

PastorAIO:
Intelligent design is NOT a mechanism. But even worse, it is a totally USELESS theory. We learn nothing from it. All it tells us is 'God did it', or 'intelligent agent did it', but it does not tell us how it was done. So we cannot use the knowledge to create our own technologies.
'God did it' is a Dead end.

This.

I'd also like to point out that ID must not be confused with an actual scientific theory. If we must use the word "theory" for that idea, then it would certainly be the layman's definition, and not the scientific definition: theory (n.) - guess or conjecture; a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by cloudgoddess(f): 6:39am On Mar 31, 2016

There are a couple things to point out here, and forgive me if they've been presented earlier in the thread (I haven't looked through it all yet).

1. How would proving a designer automatically translate to Yahweh? There have been thousands of designer-gods conjured throughout history, literally thousands, many of those far before Yahweh's invention. Why must an intelligent designer point to the Jewish God Yahweh specifically? Hell, why must it point to a monotheistic god, rather than a group of co-operating gods? Why must it point to ANYTHING even remotely human-like? If a designer were to exist, accepting that it was the Jewish God Yahweh ignores an infinite number of just as valid, if not moreso, possibilities.

2. Why is this designer-god emotional? How does that make sense? Another poster mentioned this earlier I think, and the responses were wholly unsatisfactory. Biologically, we know that emotions (and creativity, but I'll set that aside for now) are solely a result of animal cognitive function, and serve distinct survival purposes. Fear, anxiety, and anger, for example, serve to keep us from danger and help us take action in the face of trouble. Sadness and jealousy keep us attached to our kin, driving us to protect our groups and cooperate. What purpose would an infinitely intelligent being, who has no need for survival mechanisms, have with emotions? Especially such potentially disastrous ones like jealousy, anger, and wrath, the types of emotions that Buddhist and Taoist monks meditate for years to be liberated from?

3. What role is the designer playing exactly? Is he conducting the formation of every living organism manually? Or did he simply set in place the natural laws that guide reproduction, metabolism, etc, and then stop interfering from then on? Because those are two very different scenarios with different implications.

If the claim is that he is conducting the formation of every individual organism, then that would seem quite redundant, considering that every new organism, excluding significant deleterious mutations, arises in very predictable ways. In the case of asexual reproduction, the offspring will be nearly the exact same as it's parent, genetically and morphologically. In sexual reproduction, the offspring will be a combination of the genetic information from both his parents, and thus, predictably share similar phenotypic traits. What role would the designer-god be playing here? Is he manually forming the sugar-phosphate bonds linking each DNA molecule?

If so, then when organisms are born with unsettling and even fatal deformities, or spontaneously aborted in the womb (as are up to 50% of mammalian fetuses), would the designer not also be responsible? How can a perfect being design something imperfect, and why would he/it do so intentionally?

If the claim is that he set the laws in place and walked away to let the universe do it's thing for the rest of eternity, then that begs the question, why could the laws not exist on their own? If the designer himself is supposedly the result of some unexplained cause and was not "created" by anything else, then why can't the laws governing nature, & the energy/matter that is constantly being recycled by nature, simply be the same?

And, if the designer god isn't participating in the manual creation of every individual organism, but simply letting the laws he set 14billion years ago run their course, then what relevance does he have in the discussion of how nature works now? The extent of his influence has ended, has it not? All we are left with are these predictable natural laws that do not change for better or worse, whether we pray, fast, worship, or call on said designer-god. Learning these patterns, however, has helped us create technology and medicine, has helped us double our average lifespan as human beings. Hell, scientists are even manipulating life forms to serve our own purposes. The designer however, does not appear to be doing anything new or helpful. So why, if one is arguing for the second scenario, would he/it be relevant at all?

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Christianity Etc › Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by cloudgoddess(op): 5:13am On Mar 29, 2016

asalimpo:
^^^
adaptation is now evolution!!!
huh!
cockroaches evolve against pesticide.
So, when stubborn pupils, become hardened to teachers caning , they've evolved ,i.e the dna has changed radically, a thick skin!!

You have no idea what you're even talking about. If you won't bother to read my posts carefully then don't even respond, you're just making yourself look more ignorant.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Hate Atheism With Passion Part 3 (Atheism Eternally Condemned) by cloudgoddess(f): 5:00am On Mar 29, 2016

ogechieku:
R eally? of cause these are threads that scare all atheists away! They were short of words and their intelligence failed them woefully.

I don't think that's what happened... Rather your thread was so void of substance and full of baseless, biased, nonsensical assertions, that it's laughable and no one wanted to waste their time to respond.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Hate Atheism With Passion Part 3 (Atheism Eternally Condemned) by cloudgoddess(f): 12:35am On Mar 29, 2016

This is so hilarious and amusing tongue

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Christianity Etc › Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by cloudgoddess(op): 10:42pm On Mar 28, 2016*

ElCount:
this is the problem with you evolutionist what you people termed micro evolution is simply Variation among species it happens and its true but you guys have used nomenclature as a deceptive tool there because when someone accepts it you guys will then come in and "say consider this phenomenon over a billion years only then will a chicken come from a banana" Typical evolution logic
For example its scientific truth that over a period of time cockroaches may become immune to a pesticide but that doesn't mean it evolved. It wont reproduce a dog or an elephant simply because it does not possess the genetic information of a mammal in its DNA let alone a dog hence even if that cockroach were to exist for a billion years it will still produce a cockroach albeit with perhaps an added/lost adaptability trait but it will still be a cockroach that's how the Designer God made it.
Well in your last statement there is nothing easy to see there unless the common ancestor is still of thesame kind even the bible tells us that. Because an ancestor of a dog is still a dog be it a Chihuahua or a wolf, the ancestor of a dog was never a plant.
Evolution is a religion don't try to pass it off as science

this is the problem with you evolutionist what you people termed micro evolution is simply Variation among species it happens and its true but you guys have used nomenclature as a deceptive tool there because when someone accepts it you guys will then come in and "say consider this phenomenon over a billion years only then will a chicken come from a banana" Typical evolution logic
The reason why we know macroevolution (evolution on large scales of time) happens is because of how microevolution (evolution in short periods of time) works. The basis for both processes is the exact same - chemical alterations in genetic material, steered by the environment. The only difference is time.

The genetic material of every organism is nothing but an extremely long "string" of connected nucleotides. These nucleotides are altered, in small ways, from generation to successive generation. Imagine a necklace of various beads, and every 10 minutes (this representing a population's generation time) one bead is removed, added, or replaced with a different color bead. In 3 days, that necklace will look VERY different than how it did in the beginning.

If this is the way things work, then it is INEVITABLE that new species will form. The only way new species would not form from such a mechanism, as if were there were some distinct property of a species, restricting its DNA from being altered past a certain point. There is nothing like this, however.

The genetic material does not distinguish "cat" or "dog" or "horse" or "banana". These are all words arbitrarily placed by us humans on certain organisms that share similar enough properties for us to classify as a single species, genus, or family. The naming of organisms can be extremely complicated for this reason. DNA is changeable and fluid, and when given enough time you will see many diverse lineages as a result of diverse paths of genetic change.

For example its scientific truth that over a period of time cockroaches may become immune to a pesticide but that doesn't mean it evolved.
Yes it does. The DNA of that population changed, thus it evolved. It was on a small scale, but many small scale changes over time lead to big changes.

It wont reproduce a dog or an elephant simply because it does not possess the genetic information of a mammal in its DNA
Why should it? This goes back to your butchered concept of evolution that is flat out wrong. An organism can not spontaneously adopt traits from nowhere - ALL evolution depends on PRE-EXISTING genetic information, being altered gradually down a genetic lineage. There is no way for a roach to become an elephant for the exact reason you stated. Doing so would directly contradict evolution.

hence even if that cockroach were to exist for a billion years it will still produce a cockroach albeit with perhaps an added/lost adaptability trait but it will still be a cockroach
If you mean it will still be an insect, then again, why wouldn't it be? A species can not just hop from one lineage to another. Every new species depends on what came before it, so it would be impossible for that cockroach population to become, say, mammals. However, in those billion years you will get MANY different splitting lineages of bugs who share some common traits with that ancestral cockroach population, but have very different sizes, shapes, colors, diet, and reproductive capabilities. They will be new species, with new names, which all share a common ancestor called "cockroach".

Well in your last statement there is nothing easy to see there unless the common ancestor is still of thesame kind even the bible tells us that.
There is no such thing as a "kind", biologists do not even recognize that word, it simply is not relevent. As I mentioned earlier in this post, all labels put on organisms are arbitrary and for our own ease in classification. DNA does not work that way.

Because an ancestor of a dog is still a dog be it a Chihuahua or a wolf, the ancestor of a dog was never a plant.
Again, of course the ancestor of a dog was never a plant. Species can't hop between lineages. If you actually understood evolution, you would not have made this comment. This image might be helpful in conceptualizing things for you.

https://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/images/0003ti-11699.gif
Notice how, starting from the bottom, you get more and more complex and outwardly expanding branches. Also, notice that the branches NEVER horozontally intersect - every lineage is connected to a previous lineage, there are no monkeys becoming elephants or plants becoming sheep, for this reason.

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Christianity Etc › Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by cloudgoddess(op): 4:30pm On Mar 28, 2016

ElCount:
if evolution were true how come after eons human beings, animals and plants as we know it have failed to evolve into something different. Since you believe in evolution its safe to assume you have a protruding tail or something out of the ordinary. Please don't be deceived

No, what you have just expressed is your complete lack of education regarding what evolution actually involves. It isn't magic. No scientist is claiming that random animals will grow tails, or that plants will transform into fishes. This caricatured version of "evolution" is crap peddled amongst the religious to keep them justified in their conviction that evolution must be wrong because it contradicts the biblical account of creation and is thus a threat to their religious beliefs. This false view of "evolution" is based on collective ignorance and nothing more.

Real evolution, is the gradual process of change in the genetic material of organisms over time. This change is guided by the environment - traits that cause creatures an increased chance of survival in their particular environment and biological niche, are maintained in the gene pool and carried on to successive generations. Traits that decrease a creature's chance of survival & reproductive success, die out along with the organisms that possess them.

As the environment changes, which it constantly is, and events such as genetic bottlenecking and population isolation take place, the beneficial traits for a particular population of organisms changes, thus new genes are survived, and different ones die out. It is easy to see how over millions of years, this can result in all manner of different organisms, diverging from common ancestors yet possessing very different features due to the selection pressures they have faced over time.

Christianity Etc › Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by cloudgoddess(f): 5:51pm On Mar 23, 2016

lilliesboy:
How did the so-called "democratic/secular" transformed from their undemocratic/supersticious state to what they are, since you say atheism cannot work in Africa? How did it get to work in Europe/America, China etc, which were once in a (worst) stage than Africans are today? Religion gives FALSE hope, not real hope. And it promotes extremisms based on irrationalities, thus it is not needed/important in this century (and in the future)!

Very good point.

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Christianity Etc › If Evolution Was Untrue. by cloudgoddess(op): 5:49pm On Mar 23, 2016

I'm curious about how people who reject evolution would explain the more specific observations in nature that seem to support an evolutionary model. For example:

1. Why are the DNA sequences between species like, say, the chimpanzee and the human, or the bird and the dinosaur, so similar, if those organisms are not related? Wouldn't you expect to see completely random and dissimilar DNA sequences between all species if they shared no genetic relationship?

2. Why are simpler life forms consistently found in lower rock layers than their theorized present-day evolutionary descendents? Shouldn't we find all life forms mixed in all rock layers, if new species did not arise over time?

3. Why do human fetuses grow a layer of fur during development, which sheds later on before birth? And why does this fur grow at the same point in development as Chimpanzee fetuses do? If there were no relationship between us, wouldn't we expect human fetuses to lack such a thing?

4. In the same vein, why do the fetuses of all members of the Chordata phylum all look so similar?

5. Why are there organisms like flesh-eating bacteria, and parasitic, eye-burrowing worms that hurt humans? If such harmful and disease-causing organisms did not arise out of evolutionary adaptation, then why would they be created?

I am genuinely curious about how one would explain these phenomena in a non-evolutionary framework.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Care About Us? by cloudgoddess(f): 11:38pm On Mar 21, 2016

The marvels of the human body are all a result of billions of years of evolution. Most of the traits listed, we share with many other animals (a complex circulatory system & brain), and several traits are far MORE advanced in other animals, like the eye, sense of smell and hearing, and physical capability.

The only thing we humans are have over other animals is our prefrontal cortex, the piece of our brain that makes reasoning & complex thought possible. And even that didn't pop out of nowhere - if you look at our closest relatives, the bonobo & chimpanzee, you'll see that they too have a PFC, it's just not as developed as ours is.

Here's a nice little article on the PFC's of other primates compared to humans'.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/gorillas-agree-human-frontal-cortex-is-nothing-special/
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/files/2013/05/Semendeferi-Damasio1-300x216.png

Christianity Etc › Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by cloudgoddess(f): 11:25pm On Mar 21, 2016

ShyNeptune:
Cool. I get your point.
But do you know why and how religion came into being?

How: Collaberative efforts of human imagination & storytelling, guided by the natural human inclination to attribute causes & effects where there are none, and to assume supernatural causes for unexplained phenomena.

Why: To provide answers to questions people had no way of answering yet (in the absense of science), such as what caused the weather and disease (Sun & rain gods, for example, were very common in early polytheistic societies, & diseases & bad weather were nearly always attributed to curses and upset deities). To help govern societies and provide mental strength in an age where resources were limited, war was rampant, and democracy was not yet invented. To give hope to the poor and dying. To alleviate the concerns regarding what happened after death, and avoid the pain of death by inventing an afterlife to look forward to.

Mostly for psychological, emotional, & political needs - the majority of which, as thriving modern secular societies have proven, can now be more than sufficiently met by non-religious means.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by cloudgoddess(f): 11:06pm On Mar 21, 2016

ShyNeptune:
Africa without religion will be nothing but a blood zone. Why do you think religion was invented in the first place? As an atheist, you have to think far and wide. Just picture a scene where no Nigerian believe in God, trust me, even the Government won't be able to control the citizens no more.
From the graphical figure you gave, who came up with the stats? Why is it hard for you to believe in God but easy for you to believe in one imaginary statistics.
I'm not trying to sound religious , I just try not to believe in anything anymore (scientific of religios) until I can see, feel and verify.

Africa without religion will be nothing but a blood zone.
People across Africa are already slaughtering nonbelievers, "witches" (children included), and homosexuals by the droves, directly for religiously-motivated reasons. Whether religion is doing anything positive for Africans as far as keeping crime at bay is highly questionable (and in my opinion extremely unlikely) considering the large amount of crime that's commited already even in the presence of high religiosity, AND in the name of religion itself.

From the graphical figure you gave, who came up with the stats? Why is it hard for you to believe in God but easy for you to believe in one imaginary statistics.
The first was from the 2009 Global Peace Index, the second was from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. Not sure why you would automatically dismiss them as imaginary, perhaps your own bias was clouding your interpretation? Manually looking up the crime rates & rates of religiosity for the individual countries would yeild the same patterns; I've done it for a few of the countries shown on the second graph.

Across the board it seems that secular developed societies have far overgrown the need for religion. There's no reason to believe, then, that even if certain key areas are improved (like education, government, & wealth distribution, which in Nigeria are all currently very flawed), other countries would not be able to thrive in the absense of widespread strongly held religious beliefs as well.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by cloudgoddess(f): 6:12am On Mar 21, 2016*

ShyNeptune:
Actually religion (especially christainity) is playing a vital role in controlling the universe. It gives hope to the hopeless, it unites families, some missionaries build free schools and hospitals, religion restrains one from doing evil, the list is endless.
Atheists shouldn't be against religion.
They should be after developing the world and leave religion for the religious. Cos if everyone is an atheist, then this world will be one poo hole. With crimes everywhere. My contribution.

Ehh, not quite. There actually seems to be a correlation between less religiosity and lower crime rates when comparing countries.

https://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/epiphenom/1.bp..com/_8sY9bx8acNM/SibxlnDSmjI/AAAAAAAAAZE/kmGm1kwFX3s/s400/Global_peace_index.png

https://s27.postimg.org/s1folarib/crime_rate.png

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Christianity Etc › Re: Religion,a Tool Of Mind Control And Ignorance by cloudgoddess(f): 6:02am On Mar 21, 2016

dabosuker:
Whether you see Atheist attend church or mosque, it takes "guts", to doubt what you have been told all your life,...& thats the first step to freedom,
Most people are too "Scared", to admit even to themselves, in their bedroom, that ....Religion is a big SCAM!

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheists Test by cloudgoddess(f): 5:57am On Mar 21, 2016

JackBizzle:
Everyone creates their own God.

This would certainly explain why peoples' supposed "revelations" are always so contradictory and self-serving.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Fulton Sheen:what Is Atheism? by cloudgoddess(f): 5:51am On Mar 21, 2016

jayriginal:
^^
I admire your tenacity in dealing with ïdiots but sooner or later you will weary of the endeavor.

It's a thankless job.

Thank you, lol. I'm already beginning to, quite honestly.

Christianity Etc › Re: Fulton Sheen:what Is Atheism? by cloudgoddess(f): 5:26am On Mar 21, 2016

This is so annoying. Stop trying to redefine atheism to suit your petty causes, it's getting tiring.

The prefix "a-" means "without", suffix "theism" means "belief in a diety or dieties". Atheism, like theism, is not a religion, it's a stance on belief. Theists can be Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Taoist, Scientologist, Hindu, etc etc, and can believe in any, or any combination of, the hundreds to thousands of gods that have been created throughout human history.

It is foolish and ignorant to collectively attribute any definitive traits to atheists other than "lacks belief in deities", just like it would be ignorant to attribute any other defining traits to theists other than "believes in a deity/deities". Not all atheists have the same values, think the same way, OR even have the same level of science education, if any at all.

What seperates a theist from an atheist is solely their stance on the existence of a diety. A theist makes the positive claim, "there is a supernatural diety of some sort that exists". An atheist does NOT make that claim. Essentially, the atheist's position is, "I have not seen sufficient proof to show that any diety exists, therefore I do not hold the belief that one exists." Extremely simple.

If you want to imagine how it feels to lack the belief in a diety, then think about how you feel when you hear the name Krishnu, Zeus, or Flying Spaghetti Monster. Nothing, right? That's what atheists feel regarding all proposed gods, including Yahweh.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism And Terrorism; Annihilation in The Quest For Atheistic Domination by cloudgoddess(f): 5:52pm On Mar 20, 2016

winner01:
A child learns morals and values from his/her society.

Setting aside the biological components that play a role, I agree with this, in fact I have argued for this exact point in a different thread.

However the bible happens to be one of the worst sources of values that a society can be based off of. It's why countries that have seperated church from state & created secular governments are thriving, and ones still trying to involve religious texts in their lawmaking systems, are struggling. Functioning modern countries, with the help of cumulative human knowledge, compassion, and their brains, have moved far passed the level of moral standards presented in the bible, thankfully.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism And Terrorism; Annihilation in The Quest For Atheistic Domination by cloudgoddess(f): 5:28pm On Mar 20, 2016

winner01:
Your brains don't tell you jack.

Perhaps yours doesn't.

Some of us still have functioning mental faculties that haven't been overtaken by religious indoctrination. Not everyone's brain is in the same cage you so willfully keep yours in.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism And Terrorism; Annihilation in The Quest For Atheistic Domination by cloudgoddess(f): 4:45pm On Mar 20, 2016*

winner01:
The belief in a deity that gives a principal instruction that you love your neighbour as yourself can only trigger one thing. LOVE.

The Lord will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head. Deuteronomy 28:30-31,35
Giving festering, uncurable boils to people is so loving!

When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean. Leviticus 15: 19-20
Yep, women are so filthy and impure for their natural reproductive cycles that god himself supposedly gave them. How very loving god is for alienating women like pariahs for natural biological functions.

Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered. Matthew 21:18-22 NIV
Wow, who knew jesus was such a crybaby. Why didn't he just ask god to put more fruit in the tree rather than killing it? He must really love nature if he's willing to kill anything that doesn't serve him instantly. Oh wait...

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18
Yay, rape and killing! Such an expression of overflowing love!

He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 21:17
Yep, it is a very just punishment to kill your kids if they act up. This is the definition of LOVE!

If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. Exodus 21
Slavery is a great way to express love.

The bible is riddled with much more hateful barbaric nonsense than it is loving or wise messages (which by the way were ALREADY overflowing in Hindu and Buddhist books far before Christianity. For example the "golden rule" you just cited originated in Buddhist texts, the bible is NOT unique in it's "wisdom" at all). So not only was your diety late in the game, but he is obviously bipolar to the max.

As expected from such a confused diety, belief in him seems to trigger both hatred (especially of non-believers) and "love" (more like condescending pretend love) from its followers. I've found far more genuinely caring, selfless, and accepting people amongst non-Christians. A large amount of christians everywhere are actually markedly UNloving in their interactions and behaviors with anyone they don't approve of.

With regards to how I personally deal with others, I'd rather use my brain, which reliably tells me that treating others kindly feels good & has positive consequences, and treating others badly feels bad & has negative consequences. See? Simple. No bipolar sky daddies needed.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Shelley Hundley: An Atheist Turns to God by cloudgoddess(f): 4:01am On Mar 20, 2016

Case in point.

Christianity Etc › Re: Shelley Hundley: An Atheist Turns to God by cloudgoddess(f): 12:16am On Mar 20, 2016*

Found these gems in the comments.

"Saying you were once an Atheist but have now found "god", is like claiming to have once been erudite and lucid of mind but have since chosen willful ignorance, delusion and bronze age superstition over critical thinking, facts and scientific evidence. An atheist is a skeptic. The definition of an atheist is someone who has no belief in gods...full stop. It is not a knowledge claim. Shelley, you're not only an idiot, you are the typical dishonest, self-righteous Christian buffoon.

Unlike any religious claims that have ever been uttered by believers, true claims have never required, emotional comfort, wishing, faith, belief, hope, government collaboration or collusion; blasphemy laws, constant authoritative reinforcement from parents, family and community; child hood indoctrination, religious based cultural traditions, incentives and punishments to shield their countless claims from the honest truth. Only untruths require them. The truth requires nothing at all to be accepted; whether it's acknowledged or not. It will always remain the truth. Gods are imaginary."

"Notice how you rarely see conversion stories come from people who have their shit in gear. No one who has a stable life and a sensible curiosity hears the idea "There is a god who loves you unconditionally ... but if you don't believe that ... the same god will torture you for all eternity" no one hears that and goes "Boy that really makes sense!""

Why is it that "atheist" to christian stories are always laden with emotional reasoning and desperation, while christian to atheist stories are typically a result of curiosity, research, and level-headed analysis? Perhaps because emotional vulnerability is what draws people into religion in the first place. If that's what this woman is driven by, as it appears, it's no wonder she went back to the comfortable lies. Her short-lived "atheism" was a result of emotional upset and trauma. Not curiosity, reason, or a desire for truth.

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Christianity Etc › Re: youtube videos debunking Evolution? by cloudgoddess(f): 11:58pm On Mar 19, 2016

Teempakguy:
You can't "debunk" Evolution in a 2 minute Youtube video. that's ridiculous.

Evolution is a scientific finding. several different fields have converged to approve it independently. it has enough credibility to be called a theory. which means it's a very reliable stand. when something reaches theory level in science, it's almost impossible to "debunk" it and in fact, just correcting a tiny mistake often requires high levels of scientific knowledge.

A more correct term would be, "complains about."

I'm pretty sure the arguments are going to lie along the lines of "humans aren't monkeys!" crap we've all overheard.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism And Terrorism; Annihilation in The Quest For Atheistic Domination by cloudgoddess(f): 11:51pm On Mar 19, 2016

Who cares?

Those leaders did not kill in the NAME of atheism. As you said, they had communist ideals, and a whole host of other problems with their worldview. Their atheism was not the SOURCE of their wrongdoing, but a coincidental trait of those leaders. The problem with religion is that it, in itself, CREATES a motivation for killing & wrongdoing, according to the dogmatic texts. People who kill in the name of religion do so because their religion directs them to do so. And THAT is why religious wars are so problematic.

There are no atheist texts directing people to kill non-atheists. There is no atheist dogma leading any atheist person to commit any crime in the name of disbelief in god. There are only communists and dictators who HAPPEN to be atheist, and kill & plunder for selfish reasons unrelated to mere disbelief in dieties. The disbelief in a diety is not, in and of itself, a driving force for crime. However, the BELIEF in a diety that promotes the harm of nonbelievers IS clearly a driving force for crime in itself. This post is pointless and does not do anything to justify or minimize the harms of religion.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Really Happens When We Die by cloudgoddess(f): 11:47pm On Mar 19, 2016

When you die, like any other living thing, your body decomposes. Since your brain is also organic, it too dies, along with your personality and consciousness contained within its neurons.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Ex-porn Actress, April Garris, Gives Glimpse Into The Demonic Side Of Porn by cloudgoddess(f): 4:19pm On Mar 19, 2016

dragunov:
It takes one to know one you know. No insult intended.

So if a doctor diagnoses a patient with an illness, the doctor themselves must also have that illness? huh

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Christianity Etc › Re: Ex-porn Actress, April Garris, Gives Glimpse Into The Demonic Side Of Porn by cloudgoddess(f): 5:21am On Mar 19, 2016

dragunov:
I saw demons licking your fingers as you were typing this psychobabble of yours. Some were massaging your brains too. Yo in deep sh.it you know.

These sound like words a mentally disturbed person would say. No insult intended.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Ex-porn Actress, April Garris, Gives Glimpse Into The Demonic Side Of Porn by cloudgoddess(f): 5:19am On Mar 19, 2016

asalimpo:
How do you know they are no supernatural entities involved? You word against hers?
She narrated what she saw, and you are telling her she didnt see it.
She classified what she saw, and you are telling her she does'nt know what she's saying.

If demons were responsible, how would you know?

The narrator said , she was praying for those in porn when God 'opened' her eyes to 'see' the porn industry.
You say she's delusional.
Yet you people would say God should prove(i.e to your senses) Himself to You if He is real?
If God did that what would you're fellow atheists say ? You are delusional .

Your responses disqualify your arguments. Your attitudes prove you cannot never persuade a person,
who doesnt want to be persuaded no matter how many physical evidence you provide.

But on the other hand, you'd believe what a 'science' says without proof . Just on hearsay.
You believe evolution without it being proved to you.
You believe big bang, just on the words alone.
You believe in many things you have no proof of and dont bother to get a proof on.

Proof is never the issue. People just want to do what they want to do. All else are justifications.

Wow. Psychological projection at it's finest. You are truly a master of this.

"A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary." Where is the solid, independently verified evidence for demons and spirits? Firsthand testimony is the WEAKEST form of evidence because people's brains can play tricks on them, it happens all the time. This is heavily studied by psychology. Many people, of all different religions have claimed to have seen ghosts, ghouls, leprachauns, unicorns, fairies, bigfoot, and all sorts of mythical creatures - yet there has been no valid evidence showing any of them to be real. These are works of the human mind, which is capable of all manner of illusion.

You're wrong about evolution, and you already had your argument destroyed in other threads where you tried to discredit it. I don't know how it's possible that you did not learn anything from those experiences. You seem really determined to live in a magical world. Go ahead, but don't get angry when people call it out for what it is.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Man-made? Did Man Create The Idea Of God? by cloudgoddess(f): 6:24pm On Mar 17, 2016

UyiIredia:
After all you've said, where is the evidence of nature making a pin much less forming life by itself?

You didn't answer my question.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Man-made? Did Man Create The Idea Of God? by cloudgoddess(f): 3:44pm On Mar 17, 2016

UyiIredia:
Nature, by itself, can't make a pin talkless of a mind.

So, according to you, organisms are not a result of natural processes that have been occuring for billions of years, but instead the purposeful creation of a supernatural entity no one can see? And that entity is not Krishna or Zeus or any of the gods that have existed as early as 10,000+ years ago, but specifically Yahweh, the god created by Jewish middle-easterners 2000 years ago?

So, the multiple species of flesh eating bacteria that exist are not born as a natural result of evolutionary need for survival and adaptation, but instead their very DNA and cell proliferation are intentionally directed by this Yahweh, so that unknowing swimmers can have their flesh mutilated and torn apart by organisms too small for the human eye to detect? Same for parasites that burrow into the eyes of children who drink polluted water in 3rd world countries, and then lay eggs there so that the child's eye is left in a disturbing state of ruin? All purposely directed by the magnificent hand of all-loving Yahweh, correct?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Ex-porn Actress, April Garris, Gives Glimpse Into The Demonic Side Of Porn by cloudgoddess(f): 3:20pm On Mar 17, 2016

She's delusional.

Porn can be physically and psychologically harmful but there are no supernatural entities involved. Those were a product of her own imagination, born of the negative emotional and psychological consequences she personally experienced doing pornography, combined with religious indoctrination which biased her interpretation of the situation. There are plenty of porn actresses who quit and go on to live relatively normal lives again. There are also many who quit and then reveal the not-so-pleasant circumstances they endured while in the industry. But again, demons aren't responsible for anything here.

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