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Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by cloudgoddess(f): 12:18am On May 08, 2016

stainlex:
God bless you for this post!

I know my comment appears oxymoronic but I like am like that. Be free to choose any of the available gods for the blessings tho'..;-)

Haha, thank you very much kiss

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Condone Such Terrible Violence In The Old Testament? by cloudgoddess(f): 10:08pm On May 06, 2016

Sarassin:
What miserable justificacao and apologetics. Even the Klu Klan Klan have a more humane manifesto than the "one true jealous God". Appalling.

It is truly cringe-worthy.

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Christianity Etc › Re: PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again by cloudgoddess(f): 10:06pm On May 06, 2016

matrix600:
You're right, yes human beings wants to understand the world around them, but of all the institutions you mentioned, religion, science, metaphysics, which do you think has made the most realistic progress so far? obviously science. Science appeals to reason via mathematics and logic, research and experiments. religion gives you absolute answers, untested, some even claim to be the mouthpiece of the creator. Science has made more impact on human lives far more than religion. If the universe has an origin, isn't it best to rely on scientific explanations instead? Dont forget science doesn't claim absolutism, whenever a new knowledge is brought forth, the old one is discarded. So why dont we follow science to understand the world little by little as much as we can. Science explains reality in a physical sense, religion sees reality with their spiritual binoculars which sadly their interpretations contradicts each other in many ways. I still dont understand why religious people want finished answers in this world of so much uncertainty, when we can try to understand the world one step at a time. Its for the interest of everyone for science to lead the way. My one cent

Well stated.

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Christianity Etc › Re: You Never Chose Your Religion. It Was Forced On You Through Child Abuse by cloudgoddess(f): 3:00pm On May 06, 2016

analice107:
As they prepared you for school on week days, that's how they prepared you for church on Sundays. But now that you have grown up, you may choose to drop your certificate and go into business, just the same way you can choose to be a demon possessed lesbian and turn on God.

You never fail to come off as completely insane.

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Christianity Etc › Re: You Never Chose Your Religion. It Was Forced On You Through Child Abuse by cloudgoddess(f): 10:13pm On May 05, 2016

Amberon:
Just like your education was forced on you and that's also child abuse.

Do not send your kids to school until they're 18 and can make life's decisions for themselves. Smh

Very interesting. Please explain how religious indoctrination and education can be rationally equated.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why do we have so Many Church Denominations in Christianity by cloudgoddess(f): 7:38pm On May 05, 2016

ettaetta:
no contradiction in the Bible. people just misinterpret it to suit themselves

Which is the same thing a Christian in a different sect from you, would say about your sect.

Christianity Etc › Re: Does Science Agree With The Bible? by cloudgoddess(f): 7:15pm On May 05, 2016

MrPresident1:
These are the things you have in your head as evidence, as proof, that the Bible is not compatible with science?

Are you sure you are sane?

I mean, what the fork is all these

Da fork is the meaning of this

Point proven.

Christianity Etc › Re: Does Science Agree With The Bible? by cloudgoddess(f): 7:14pm On May 05, 2016

MrPresident1:
Look here, listen what I meant is that religion is a guide, religions are only guides to God, God sees the heart of the genuine seeker, you don't even need to belong to any religion to be right with Him, as long as you have a pure heart, you will find Him, He is not hidden from the worthy, only the unworthy sweat it. You cannot box God into a religion, religions are only paths to Him.

Are you in rebellion against religion or in rebellion against God?

So you think Allah, Yahweh, Krishna, Zeus, Venus, etc. are all the same person?

Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by cloudgoddess(f): 4:23pm On May 05, 2016

Image123:
There's a freethinker's lodge. How many days do you guys have service in a week? Do you have choruses or hymns? i heard the muslims now do choruses and hymns on sundays too. When are you guys going to be beheaded and stoned with joy for your faith/unbelief?

You sure do love making false equivalences.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why do we have so Many Church Denominations in Christianity by cloudgoddess(f): 4:21pm On May 05, 2016

Because the bible is riddled with contradictions which can support an infinite number of worldviews depending on who's doing the cherry-picking and what their biases are.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does Science Agree With The Bible? by cloudgoddess(f): 4:14pm On May 05, 2016

MrPresident1:
No my friend, it is you who is vainly ignorant

Nah. Any objective mind who picks up a bible can see the blatant and embarassing scientific contradictions. You don't even have to pass the first 10 pages before you are met with mountains of nonsensical unscientific claims, including, but not limited to:

- Humans being made from clay (clay is silicon... humans are carbon, oxygen, phosphorus, sulfur, nitrogen, etc etc)
- Light being present before stars and plants being present before the sun (impossible, clearly.)
- The moon being a light source in itself (the moon reflects the suns light. but of course the primitive humans who wrote the bible wouldn't know that)
- Animals being created in their present states all at once (problematic when dinosaurs, trilobites, and not to mention the microorganisms that preceeded all multicellular life, are taken into consideration. which of course, again, primitive man would have not known about.)

And of course later on you're met with even more nonsensicalities, like the noah's ark story (7 million species on a wooden boat for 40 days? How the hell would they fit? What the f* would the lions eat? What of the saltwater & freshwater that mixed - that would certainly kill all marine life in need of specific salinity levels), and jonah and the whale's stomach (he would've been burned by stomach acid within a few hours. no way any human could survive for 3 days in the stomach of any creature).

It feels redundant quite frankly typing all of this out, because any person who has actually read the bible AND has even a rudimentary science education would quickly see these inconsistencies and more. But this is a classic case of Dunning Kruger effect. You can genuinely believe in your mind that I am the ignorant one, because of how little you actually know about how the world around you truly operates. It's how religions keep their followers dumb and proud of it - feed them easily digestible lies, then assure them that there's no way they can be wrong, and discourage them from learning actual science. The end result is people thinking their beliefs are sensible when they've really just been brainwashed to think so & don't know anything else.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does Science Agree With The Bible? by cloudgoddess(f): 3:58pm On May 05, 2016*

MrPresident1:
Chief, your skepticism about religion is not misplaced, religion has been used to perpetrate all kinds of evil in the society. But God transcends religion, you cannot box God into a religion, if one is true because God sees the heart, God will use religion to guide such a person to Himself.

Eventually the true seeker will transcend religion.

If you want to have a more in-depth understanding of the Bible, I think I can help you, but you will need to be personally responsible for your journey

I kid you not, a Muslim said precisely the same thing to me last night, except with Allah. "Allah will guide me to him if I just seek truth and read the Quran."

Christianity Etc › Re: A Grace Preacher To Answer All Your Questions And settle your Confusions. by cloudgoddess(f): 3:54pm On May 05, 2016

Gombs:
I wonder where y'all get your reasoning skills from! I said God didn't write the Bible, neither did He translate it... How does this imply He didn't inspire the writers? For example, how did you think the book of Genesis (details of creation) was written down?

Oh! Yeah... You're an atheist. I forgot the big bang or evolution is the core of your beliefs of how creation started. Great!

Stay on track. You argued that the flaws in the bible exist because God was not the author. Then you turn around and say the parts that you have decided are valid, must be so because God inspired the bible.

Basically, you're using special pleading to defend the sections of the bible that you personally find legitimate, and there are of course Christians out there who would argue that some of the ones you think are valid are actually invalid, etc. Hence the 33,000 denominations of Christianity that exist, and the constant bickering that goes on in NL between Christians over the validity/application of certain scriptures. It's empty cherry-picking, driven by your own confirmation biases.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Does Science Agree With The Bible? by cloudgoddess(f): 7:37am On May 05, 2016

MrPresident1:
The writers of the Bible were ancient scientists who couched their knowledge in figurative language dicepherable only by the truly worthy.

Science and the Bible are contiguous, there is no disunity between both of them. Science proves the Bible right!

Lol, you wish.

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Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by cloudgoddess(f): 2:41am On May 05, 2016

fabiano09:
thanks. BTW why cloudgoddess? Does your name have any significance?

Nope, I genuinely just thought it was cute cheesy

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Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by cloudgoddess(f): 9:56pm On May 04, 2016

gbadexy:
What do you think is the purpose for the existence of Man.

The beauty of humanhood is that we are free to mold our own purpose, our own meaning, and our own goals (assuming one does not live under a dictatorship or theocracy). As adult human beings we do not need our fates to be dictated as if we're robots or puppets.

Fruitful relationships, healthy communities and family life, educational pursuits, inner growth and self-improvement, groundbreaking scientific discovery, enjoyment of nature and art, creativity exploration and innovation. These are amongst the vast number of things we humans can derive meaning and satisfaction from. We can simply choose to live humbly and kindly, pursuing whatever brings joy, peace, and fulfillment to us and those we love.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Are Muslim Women Promised In Paradise? by cloudgoddess(f): 9:36pm On May 04, 2016

johnydon22:
Surely the Islam paradises explicitly promises a good supply of womanliness in paradise with over flowing booze, that buttresses the worse form of greed as they gullibly fall for the promise of pussyy in afterlife.

God is only planning a huge orgy of busty wives and perverted husbands, all living in eternal sexual bliss forever.

this reveals the imaginations of a man who really loves sex so much that he assumes up an everlasting one in his greed never to part with sex. . Explains the sexual perversion of the muslim world.

Ironically hilarious is their hypocritic abstinence from wine because they are fantasizing an endless supply of it after they are dead.

Everlasting pusssy sounds absurd and boring but not as boring as everlasting waving of palm fronds.

All concepts of paradise are selfish, greedy assumptions that assumes up a meaningless infinite existence because of their inability to accept death.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Grace Preacher To Answer All Your Questions And settle your Confusions. by cloudgoddess(f): 8:11pm On May 04, 2016

Gombs:
God didn't write the Bible... He didn't even translate it.

So why accept any of it as valid?

Christianity Etc › Re: A Grace Preacher To Answer All Your Questions And settle your Confusions. by cloudgoddess(f): 8:04pm On May 04, 2016

ValentineMary:
Is that another way of saying my bible got it wrong but I don't want to say it?

Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by cloudgoddess(f): 12:52pm On May 04, 2016*

gbadexy:
There are set rules in all religion of the world about orderliness and good conduct. It doesn't stop man from being selfish.

Actually, when our needs our sufficiently met and our governments are not corrupt, most humans in a society can be expected to act cooperatively. Maladaptive levels of selfishness are usually a result of unmet needs or real/percieved threats. In Japan (a mostly atheist, well-developed country with sound government) a person can put down their purse in a public place, come back in an hour or two, and it will still be there untouched. You can't say the same for somewhere like Nigeria - because people are poor and desperate here, and there is a lack of group cohesiveness due to corrupt government & other underlying societal factors, which are fixable.

Man was created with flaws in my opinion though. We are selfish and competitive in nature.

Well for one, we were not "created". Our existence was preceded by generations upon generations of pre-modern hominid species. Our selfishness & other "flaws" are precisely a result of that - we are ANIMALS. Animals with advanced prefrontal cortexes and upright motion, the two primary features that allow our incredible capabilities & skills - but still animals nontheless. 50,000 years ago before agriculture was developed & civilizations were erected, we were hunting and gathering and traveling in packs. Without being selfish and competitive our species would have DIED OUT long ago. Self-preservation was absolutely required for us to make it this far.

In the modern day many of our innate drives can be maladaptive, for sure. But there are ways to overcome that - education, mental practice, and societal progress are a few things that can absolutely help us be better for ourselves & our fellow man. No gods required.

One thing that pisses me off about the Abrahamic religions is the demonization of humans & our nature that it must employ, in order to convince us that we are so desperately in need of "saving" from some external source. All of our flaws played an important role at some point. Throwing them under the bus is spitting in the face of all our ancestors who got us here in the first place BECAUSE of their selfishness, aggression, and self-preservation. Not to mention every single positive advancement in humanity thus far has been made by HUMANS, and when we look around us we can see that altruistic, kind, innovative, and cooperative people are among us who do NOT need gods or hell threats to "keep them in line". We need to erase this dismal view of humanity religion teaches - it's poison.

The creator made us for His pleasure. For us to glorify and worship Him. It's the fact. It sounds egoist but that's the unclad truth and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

And this is a meaningful existence to you? A playtoy for an egotistical, murderous & petty invisible man? It sickens me that religion causes people to devalue themselves in such a way.

We won't be different from lower animals who aren't given much intelligence and with nothing expected from them. It's the reason they are at the same level they were billions of years ago while we were created at the same period and why they are under us.

False. Humans did not come into the picture until 200,000 years ago. Millions of species were flourishing for eons before we came along. Ever heard of dinosaurs?

And all extant animals have progressed from where they were billions of years ago - just because it isn't HUMAN-like progression doesn't mean it isn't progression. There are so many species that could easily destroy an unarmed human with reflexes & strength not even the strongest bodybuilder or wrestler could muster. Species with eyesight & hearing several times the precision & clarity as ours. Species with the ability to survive in environments none of us could bear for a day. As I mentioned earlier, the increased development of our prefrontal cortexes is the ONLY thing that makes us so unique. Other animals have their own unique & valuable features that have enabled them to survive for many more generations than our species has.

If you have slight idea how inconsequential we are in the scheme of things or how microscopically minute we are in relation to the universe, then you will appreciate better.

Like someone else mentioned, this is precisely why it would be ridiculous to assume that the supposed creator of the trillions of galaxies in this universe would be so concerned with the activities of a single species on a single planet. Especially with such petty and inconsequential details, like how/why/with whom we engage in sex, what we eat & wear, who we give our money too (which itself is a human invention). It makes no sense and is quite frankly just silly when examined from an objective eye. Yahweh, Allah, etc. are an obvious invention from 1st century human beings who had less knowledge of reality than a modern 4th grader.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Someone Who Doesnt Want Anything To Do With Religion by cloudgoddess(f): 8:37pm On May 03, 2016

groundnutoil:
nope i dont tink so

From my understanding of the word atheist, I think that is indeed what you are. An agnostic-atheist to be precise.

There are plenty of apathetic atheists that don't believe in a god but don't actively seek to fight against religion. Most people in Japan for example fit this description. Religion (outside of traditional/cultural ceremonies) isn't a part of their lives and they don't worship gods, but they don't actively argue against the existence of gods (probably because they don't need to - everyone around them is equally as apathetic towards the issue).

I can understand not wanting to be associated with the atheist title since it carries quite a bit of stigma and unfortunately theists have contorted the meaning to be more aggressive than it innately is. But the bottom line is that a person who does not worship any gods is an atheist. Doesn't mean you have to start debating theists or anything - there is no actual obligation that comes with the title.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Every Few Months, Somebody Opens A Thread To Tell Us They've Turned Atheist by cloudgoddess(f): 3:35pm On May 03, 2016

Immorttal:
Hey Bro, this thread is useless in my own opinion. Freedom is attained by digressing from ass-worshiping,embracing solitude and thinking outside the box.Its not easy but certainly not impossible. At the end the soul redeems itself from varying arrays of bondage accompanying the sheepish believe of a certain god. What Religion brought to the table is always fear,and mental bondage. Now don't get me wrong,despite beign an agnostic i love Religion.Religion is a tool to interweave,curb and restrain the infiniteness of the obdulate human mind, yes,human mind is powerful and capable of wandering beyond control which is catastrophic to societal norm,the fear of God reduces that to an extent ATLEAST. Imagine if your parents told you that you'll live just to die someday. Religion submits hope and purpose.Although judging from hindsight religion has employ more damage than repair. But who knows what the absence of religion might have done to the human race,probably more damage by far DON'T get upset when Atheist discover the bitter truth. And mind you,ITS THE FACT

I agree with most of your post, but a few things:

1. I'm sure you're aware of the global statistics regarding the inverse relationship between a country's religiousity, and its health, GDP, scientific & educational progress, peace index, etc. How do you imagine that these mostly atheistic countries get along peacefully without religion?

2. Quite a few psychological studies have been done investigating the nature of human wellbeing and what factors contribute most to it. Intimate (not necessarily romantic, but deep & meaningful) relationships, sufficient (but not necessarily extravagant) living wages, and contributing to the happiness of others in meaningful ways (i.e. sincere volunteer work, providing healthcare to others, or simply showing kindness) have been shown to be some of the most telling contributors to human life satisfaction. Do you think religion would still be necessary for hope & purpose if people were to embrace & pursue goals like these en masse?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Let Ask Atheist! by cloudgoddess(f): 2:59pm On May 03, 2016

ValentineMary:
In this modern age, ignorance is a choice. Bro I pity ur level of ignorance.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Every Few Months, Somebody Opens A Thread To Tell Us They've Turned Atheist by cloudgoddess(f): 4:10am On May 03, 2016

Does this post have a point or are you just venting your frustrations?

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Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by cloudgoddess(f): 2:36am On May 03, 2016

Image123:
As if i said so.

Then what exactly was your point in suggesting he should raise his kids without education since he's raising them without religion? Why would the former follow from the latter?

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Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by cloudgoddess(f): 2:27am On May 03, 2016

Image123:
Total folly dignified. One, what on earth is pure agnosticism? Also, please do not bother sending them to school too, just let them be free and not fed with ideas about mathematics, literacy etc. Raise them free and default, quite a lofty idea right from the anus.

As if religious indoctrination and education can be equated. Mschew.

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Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by cloudgoddess(f): 9:56pm On May 02, 2016

fabiano09:
wow! Clearly you've got a deep understanding of 'this thing of ours' lol,we are very much alike judging from all you wrote but as you said I havnt yet gone over the fence,Still lingering and searching,maybe one day I'll be free,but till then,still my heart wanders.

And that is okay

You should give yourself a pat on the back for thinking seriously about these things. It's more than most can say. Wishing you well.

Christianity Etc › Re: Nigeria Is The 9th Most Religious Country In The World by cloudgoddess(f): 6:10pm On May 02, 2016

Mavrick2012:
Emaculate question.religion means going to church/mosque,praying/fasting regularly,giving tithe/offering etc but godly means being honest,sincere,exibiting intergrity,truthful etc. Nigerians are VERY religous but highly ungodly!!! lol

Why does god have to be involved for people to exhibit any of the following?

Surely the countries with high atheist populations have many people who embody such qualities with zero belief or interest in gods.

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Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by cloudgoddess(f): 3:21pm On May 02, 2016

fabiano09:
Trust me critical thinking doesn't lead to a more fruitful life,infact its a burden . Most of us having conflicting thoughts about the existence of God are miserable or at most unhappy. Blind faith is equally a miserable existence but at least they are not aware of it so they escape the burden.

I can certainly see where being conflicted on the matter can lead to suffering (ie being "on the fence", struggling with your identity, the discomfort of going against social norms, & questioning the meaning of life in absense of the dogma that once provided a meaning - albeit a sh*t one). I was once there as well, and I think every person who transitions from religious to atheist goes through that phase.

But my life personally has improved a lot since I abandoned religion completely - as in got off the fence and delved into enriching my life in other ways. It has to do with perception and of course what you put in the place of what religion once gave you. The perception that life is meaningless because there is no deity, for example, can very well be replaced with the perception that life is incredibly precious simply because of the rarity and complexity of human existence.

I find myself in literal awe sometimes when I think of the trillions of tiny cells in my body, working like factories to keep me alive without any control on my part. I marvel when I learn new scientific facts about how my body & other biological systems work, & it makes me truly astounded by nature & it's possibilities. It also makes me passionate about helping others understand. Learning about the cosmos is equally, if not moreso awe-inspiring.

I'm also an avid reader of books on human psychology, including those involving the mastery of our minds through understanding our thoughts and emotions. I practice secular mindfulness meditation, a westernized, scientifically supported adaptation of Buddhist meditation, and it's given me a life-changing perspective on my mental space, and deep inner peace I never previously thought possible; certainly one I never experienced with Christianity. What I've learned has also tremendously helped me develop and nurture more fulfilling relationships. Sometimes with some of the books I read, I find myself wondering, "Imagine if books like these were passed out to the masses instead of the bible or Qu'ran? How much more peaceful, understanding, and wise the world would be."

Anyway, I don't want to bore you with the details of my life & interests lol. My point is, there are plenty of ways to restore (& exceed) the personal fulfillment that religion & god beliefs once brought, especially now that we have so much access to valuable information. Exploring those ways can be a very exciting journey when one enters the endeavor with an open mind and overcomes that initially painful & confusing transition out of belief. I sincerely believe that you, and others who are in your position, can get there.

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Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by cloudgoddess(f): 7:48am On May 02, 2016

fabiano09:
Lol that doesn't really matter,most times I tick whatever I like,though am not an atheist,am more like an agnostic. To be honest its hard to believe in God,I envy most Christians that faith comes to so easy.

You shouldn't. I think critical thought can lead to more fruitful living than blind faith.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Physics With Seun - Understanding Scientific Theories |the Big Bang Theory by cloudgoddess(f): 7:47am On May 02, 2016

I appreciate this thread. The big bang is one of my weaker points scientifically although I knew a little about microwave background radiation, as well as the composition of older stars relative to that of more recent stars, and the fact that galaxies are in constant motion (ie. how the Milky Way & Andromeda are due to collide in several million years). Those proofs were enough for me to accept it's validity.

I'm sure this thread will fly over a lot of theists heads but hopefully it will at least get some gears going in others.

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Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by cloudgoddess(f): 9:09pm On May 01, 2016

jiggaz:
You no well oo... But wait make i ask... why are you Nigerian version of Atheists not proud of your Atheism in real life? Why don't you guys admit to Atheism in real life, abi una no gather liver? loool.

Nigerian Atheists are just bunch of confused people!! Lmaoo!! You people amuse me so much here on Nairaland!! Americans & Europeans are the real deal, you guys are just wannabes!! Same with OP.

Hardmirror abeg go sleep, you get malaria. Go take Fensic bro..... Deluded people.... loool.

Lmao. You really tried.

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