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Christianity EtcRe: How God Used My Premature Baby (5 Months, 2 Weeks; 790grams) To Bring Me Closer by cloudgoddess(f): 3:20pm On Sep 10, 2016
I'm happy for you and your beautiful kid, I truly am. But it was obviously advanced medical science that saved your child.

If you didn't have access to that hospital, or a hospital of that caliber, what do you think would've happened?

What happens to the thousands of premature babies born every year in poor/remote countries? If it was God and not medical science, we'd see this correlation:

More religious/praying country --> less premature deaths

But actually the correlation is like this:

More scientifically & medically advanced country --> less premature deaths

When a white, non religious mother in a country like, say, Denmark, has a premature child and she grows up healthy, what did it? It surely wasn't any man in the sky. It was the trained professionals she went to who knew what was required to save the kid through thorough research & study.

A short lesson from Wikipedia on causal fallacies:
The questionable cause—also known as causal fallacy, false cause, or non causa pro causa ("non-cause for cause" in Latin)—is a category of informal fallacies in which a cause is incorrectly identified.

Causal oversimplification is a specific kind of false dilemma where conjoint possibilities are ignored. In other words, the possible causes are assumed to be "A or B or C" when "A and B and C" or "A and B and not C" (etc.) are not taken into consideration.

Jumping to conclusions (officially the jumping to conclusions bias) is a psychological term referring to a communication obstacle where one "judge[s] or decide[s] something without having all the facts; to reach unwarranted conclusions".
Christianity EtcRe: This World Is Vanity by cloudgoddess(f): 2:58pm On Sep 10, 2016
solite3:
Unfortunately for atheist, when their loved ones dies its just another added manure to the earth to feed their stomach even their life is also manure.
Their life is not meaninful. They are fools and corrupt.
A man to deny a his creator is not just sin but foolishness.

ATHEIST RECEIVE SENSE.
Let me try & dig up whatever argument you have hidden amongst the butt hurt insults...

Are you trying to say that a life is meaningless if it doesn't last forever?
Christianity EtcRe: This World Is Vanity by cloudgoddess(f): 9:57pm On Sep 09, 2016
Vick4rill:
it proves alot of things cloudgoddes, it may or may not be a prove of "jesus" but mark my word young lady "death tells us that it is not just all abt this world alone." there are surely sumtin super natural abt this universe. enough! of ur biology and evolutionary theories. is time to use ur common sense and reason deeply abt the world u are living in. there is surely a god, he may not be yahweh bt believe me sister, it is too risky to be an atheist.
Yeah I still don't see how dying means that invisible magical beings & an invisible paradise exist. Every living thing that's ever graced this earth has or will one day die. It's nature's way. Your brain contains every thought, perception, emotion, & experience you've ever had. Once your brain deteriorates, so do its contents.

It's the human ego that made us come up with ideas like an afterlife & heaven. That desire for immortality is born out of an emotional & psychological fear of non-existence. Nothing objective about it.

If you can provide actual objective evidence for this afterlife then I'm all ears. I'd also like to see some evidence that the ruler of this afterlife desires worship in order to grant us access.
Christianity EtcRe: This World Is Vanity by cloudgoddess(f): 9:33pm On Sep 09, 2016
Wait a second...

Somebody died, so therefore Jesus is real? How does that even follow?

RIP to the poor girl.
Christianity EtcRe: What If It's Not Actually True That There Is Life After Death? by cloudgoddess(f): 11:57am On Sep 07, 2016
Pascal's wager doesn't work because the Christian God is far from the only God that could be worshipped. Thousands have been, all throughout humanity, both prior to and after the biblical one. And if none of them are real then yes the believer does lose something. Tons of time, life's most precious resource, sunken into pointless religious activities.
Christianity EtcRe: How Christians Fool People With False Testimonies And Science Of Manipulation. by cloudgoddess(f): 3:59pm On Sep 05, 2016
Lol this was funny cheesy

From my years of hearing testimonies at church I don't doubt for a second that many of them are at the very least exaggerated, if not outright lies. People already have a tendency to "stretch the truth" when sharing experiences that they want a positive reaction from. I can only imagine that effect is multiplied when one is asked to share a testimony of 'god's divine work in their lives' in front of a congregation who is eager to find validation that the object of their worship is real, actually does things, & isn't just a figment of their collective imaginations.

It's quite sad and manipulative, preying on hopeful, desperate minds with half-truths & lies.
Christianity EtcRe: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by cloudgoddess(f): 1:35am On Sep 05, 2016
Mescopaul:
@Seun , bro you need help. The confusion you are in is really eating up every fabric of your thinking faculty.

I've always known that when people don't want to serve God, they hide under the guise of claiming to be atheists.

It's just laziness that's the problem of these so-called atheists.

I don't have the time to go through all your lenthy crappy post.

Religion indeed has hurt the world (not just Nigeria), but if you consider the good it has done to man in the light of JESUS every other thing grows dim in the light of his glory and grace.

Atheism is a psychological jargon.
You can choose to believe, or not. It doesn't change the fact.

I've always told people:

"It's better to play safe: You'ld make a good bargain if you believe on JESUS now, and at last discover that he really do exist rather than refusing him now, only to discover that he actually exists and by then it might be too late."

You wont party forever.
You wont have sex forever.
You wont dress naked forever.
Everything would still end someday.

At that time all these pleasures you treasure would be seen as dung in your eyes.

Speak to a dying shrunken old woman.

Can she ever still treasure having sex all the day? Or dressing nude? Or partying? Or dancing about?

No. She dont even know if there's any pleasure in those things.

All she knows is that her end is near.

It's just that our life on earth and what we're exposed to has made us so myopic.

We do not know anything outside our nose.
And we think we knew it all.

Remember Plato's Allegory of the cave?
That's just how we are.

Now you've written a piece Seun, and you might be thinking:

"Wow, I've killed them all. I've finished all these religious fanatics!"

But the sad truth is that, to you, you've written something worthwhile, but in the real sense one can look at how much knowledge you lack to have composed such criticism against religion all in the name of atheism.

I wonder what you'll do when you found out the truth.

Just do something for me Seun,

Lock up yourself in your room oneday.
Take a Bible. Spread it before you and say:

"God if there is a God. They said you exist and you sent Jesus to die for me. I don't believe this crap (That is if you trully don't). And if this is true, I want you to do anything that would make me believe, else I don't believe it."

Have a nice day.
Man. I haven't rolled my eyes this hard in a while.
Christianity EtcRe: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by cloudgoddess(f):
Touchnot01:
Why do you call someone who derive satisfaction in killing people a psychopath? Who set the standard for normality? You? Majority vote?
Please, I dont think you or anyone has the right to dictate what is normal to another person. It more rational to Do what pleases you or what works for you with the short time you have to live. Its not like the universe will give you a medal for being good. Camping or restricting people who act to their advantage and satisfaction is unjustifiable. People should be left alone to live their lives to the fullest, then you will see the problem with an atheistic majority. Atheist Nietzche probably pointed this out in all honesty.
Ruthlessly killing people for no reason is detrimental to our species as a whole and thus maladaptive. Social animals like us need to cooperate with eachother to survive & thrive. Mirror neurons & oxytocin exist to promote this.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Christians Believe The Great Flood In Noah's Story Actually Happened? by cloudgoddess(f): 6:14pm On Aug 28, 2016
Dinocarex:
Science can only tell you what 'they feel is right' about a thing.
Science makes the best predictions it can based on the most reliable evidence we can possibly find. And since this computer/phone you're using, along with all the modern medicines that currently exist, all of the technology we have including automobiles, the space craft that took humans to the moon, etc. etc., are ALL the result of scientific inquiry, then I think it's safe to say it's a pretty trustworthy process.

Religion more than anything is in the business of determining stuff based on "feelings". Science deals with evidence and testing.

Since you believe the Universe and everything in it thereof was created by Evolution and 'big bang theory' why are the scientist spending millions of dollars every year to know more about the Universe?
What? This is a non-sequitor if I've ever seen one.

Knowing more facts about the universe, as I've explained above, helps humanity advance. The more we know about how the system we live in works, the more we can use it to increase our quality of life. Not to mention we're all born with an innate sense of curiosity. Ask any passionate scientist why he does what he does. He loves it. It's fulfilling to learn and discover more about this magnificent universe we all share.

Bro, you might not be religious; but I believe something deep within you tells you that a supreme being up there created the Universe.
I'm a woman, thank you smiley & no, but something deep within tells me that human beings really like to personify/anthropomorphize their environment and assume agency where there is none. Before assuming a creator I'd have to ask where he/it would've come from.

You believe a building can't just stand on it on except being built by a man... Why do you find it hard to believe the world didnt just come up on its own except by someone who is SUPREME!!
Right, because we know that men make buildings. But there is no proof that men (or skydaddys) make universes. On the contrary, every phenomenon about our universe that's been observed & explained thus far (like the formation of stars & planets, the genetic processes & molecules that dictate life, the movement of celestial bodies, and the expansion of the universe) follows natural, systematic laws. No signs of magic anywhere.
Christianity EtcRe: Picture Collections That Christians Would Not Want You To See. by cloudgoddess(f): 3:33pm On Aug 27, 2016
An2elect2:
You must be losing it if you think i will drop what is real for this
huh

Just read. Educate yourself. 'Tis all I'm asking.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Christians Believe The Great Flood In Noah's Story Actually Happened? by cloudgoddess(f): 3:32pm On Aug 27, 2016
Dinocarex:
A creator can not be created.
As messed up as the logic is, its nothing but the truth.
I told you earlier, you wouldn't understand if I go too deep!.

I will repeat myself, Science can't find all explanation to the quest of life.
Why not?

& what do you mean "an explanation to the quest of life?" You want science to tell you how you should live your life?
Christianity EtcRe: Picture Collections That Christians Would Not Want You To See. by cloudgoddess(f): 3:20pm On Aug 27, 2016
An2elect2:
Have you ever seen a book written like the bible?
Whoever its author is, isn't it obvious He is a powerful one?
His book has made men "lose their senses" and many have lost their lives for its content.

Does that sound like just a book?
Or rather, the author is like any other?
You must have not read many books.

Especially historical or psychology-related.

Books about history would teach you that when the Bible was written, man's knowledge was extremely meager. And that wars fought over it were done out of ignorance and desire for power (it's how Christianity spread throughout Europe and eventually Africa, violence & colonialism).

Books about psychology would teach you how brainwashing/religious indoctrination works and manages to persist through generations (via things like fear-based conditioning, social control/group think, and cultural influence).
Christianity EtcRe: Being Good Without God by cloudgoddess(f): 3:09pm On Aug 27, 2016
MistadeRegal:
Clearly from the heart of a carnal minded mortal.
You're talking as if you yourself aren't a mortal...
Christianity EtcRe: 10 Rules For Creating A New You by cloudgoddess(f): 3:06pm On Aug 27, 2016
I really like this, inspiring. Thank you smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Reason For The Change In Meanings Of The Scriptures? by cloudgoddess(f): 3:01pm On Aug 27, 2016
So true. It's very obvious that apologetics is a desperate attempt to reconcile the bronze age barbaric and often downright stupid instructions found in the bible, with the modern standards of morality most of us take for granted today (which were developed DESPITE Christianity & the Abrahamic religions, rather than because of them as we would expect if they were actually a perfect moral code).

It doesn't even take a few seconds of critical thinking to recognize that if the creator of the universe truly authored this book, it wouldn't have to be re-explained again and again as humanity progresses. I can't imagine the cognitive dissonance required to insist that a book created/inspired by an "all-powerful, all-knowing whateverthef*ck" needs continuously evolving HUMAN explanations & excuses made for it. Just silly.
Christianity EtcRe: The Bible Needs To Be Updated Or Abolished by cloudgoddess(f): 2:48pm On Aug 27, 2016
MrMontella:
i can see the light in you..
Talking snakes...talking donkeys..
Lmao tongue
Christianity EtcRe: The Bible Needs To Be Updated Or Abolished by cloudgoddess(f): 12:51pm On Aug 26, 2016
Pidggin:
If you are not a Christian I don't see how this issue affects you.
psalmade:
I love this comment.
Bro, if you ain't a child of God then the things of God shouldn't concern you. The things of the spirit cannot be comprehended by carnal men for they are meant to be spiritually discerned. I pray you find peace bro, Good morning
Lol. Christians claim to be of such moral high ground yet they can't fathom why someone would care collectively for humanity?

The f*cked up things in the bible have caused an unfathomable amount of suffering for humans across the ages. It's the source of so many horrid ideas that have really wrecked people's lives (like the killing of women & children for being witches, murder of homosexuals for loving who they can't help but love, the robbery of people's freedom through slavery, etc).

But no, other people's pain doesn't affect us directly so let's just ignore it. Pure genius. A truly Christian approach smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Happy Are Those Who Have Not Seen And As A Result Don't Believe. by cloudgoddess(f): 12:44pm On Aug 26, 2016
Seun:
Yea, life as an atheist is very peaceful. You don't have to waste any time feeling guilty about things that are 100% natural and harmless. Religion makes people feel bad about those things in order to create a need for the "salvation" that religion offers. It's a scam, folks!
Bingo.

It creates the problem then sells you the solution.
Christianity EtcRe: Must Read: Reasons Why "Free Will" Can't Save You. by cloudgoddess(f): 12:34pm On Aug 26, 2016
An2elect2:
Lol What's more interesting? That you may not explain these proofs you say other gods have shown their followers. Or that no one readily and joyfully testifies of the goodness and truth of his God except the Christian. He is always quick to tell you to taste and see that his God is good. Because truth makes it bearers bold and willing to die for.

Evidence can be seen and unseen. Unseen by all but only seen by you. Because it happens within you, when your Spirit is enlightened/awaken. You cannot be unaware of it even if you choose to deny it (Lol you wont even deny it)

Evidence is not readily available when it comes to faith. God wills in eternity when things should be and makes it come to pass in time
That is called personal, subjective experience, not evidence. Please learn the meaning of evidence.

If someone walked up to you and said Zeus appeared to them in a dream, and that that was evidence for Zeus's existence, you wouldn't believe them (& for good reason). So why should anyone believe the same about the Jewish god? If you don't have hard evidence, just your feelings and emotions & mental images, then your beliefs are no more valid than anyone who believes in any other gods, supernatural entities, or mythical creatures.

Also, I think Abrahamic religions are probably the farthest anyone can get from being truly enlightened. They are all very ego-centric, fear-based ideologies.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are People So Easy To Fool? You dare call Atheists FOOLs?! by cloudgoddess(f): 9:22pm On Aug 22, 2016
HardMirror:
You say man is alive because of his spirit right?
So why is it that if I grab your neck and hold it tightly depriving your brain of oxygen, you will be dead under 10minutes? If we are alive because of our spirits why does the spirit not just hang in there while the choking is going on. Why can a simple thing such as choking kill a man that is alive by means of a spirit that can't be choked?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are People So Easy To Fool? You dare call Atheists FOOLs?! by cloudgoddess(f): 9:21pm On Aug 22, 2016
WORDWORLD:
A very LAZY excuse. I must HONESTLY say.............infact a CRUDE way of running away from a CIVILIZED discussion.

For how long do people want to be pulled like PUPPETS. All because we are not willing to ACCEPT THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH.

Was HardMirror being RUDE. The answer is AN ABSOLUTE NO!

Except if telling the TRUTH is your defination of being RUDE.
Exactly what I was going to say undecided
Christianity EtcRe: Ask An European Atheist by cloudgoddess(f): 7:22pm On Aug 22, 2016
Interesting... following.
Christianity EtcRe: Being Good Without God by cloudgoddess(f): 11:13am On Aug 20, 2016
This is such a great post! Long but thorough and worth the read.

Contains some really good points, my favorites:
How a stagnant moral code would be horrible, and how human morality has evolved for the better through constant questioning & revision of preheld norms
Mirror neurons & how they help guide our pro-social actions
The real meaning of "survival of the fittest" because so many people misunderstand that term
How irrational fears & paranoia are rooted in our evolutionary drive to avoid danger & how religion stems from that
How authoritative parenting/learning is very ineffective & harmful compared to learning that welcomes questioning
Christianity EtcRe: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by cloudgoddess(op): 2:39pm On Aug 19, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
A duel between you too would be fun to watch. You are both ''extremists'' on opposite sides of the divide. I am almost salivating at the thought. The fact that you seem to accept evolution would make it more interesting... Cloudgoddess what sayeth ye??
Lol.. how am I an extremist?
Christianity EtcRe: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by cloudgoddess(op): 2:26pm On Aug 19, 2016
naijadeyhia:
I also believe that your opinion is meant for yourself so you should speak for yourself in it. I can also point at millions of Believers and not Dozens of them whose worship of God is based on Love and nothing else....Note these millions and millions of believers are in the real world and not Nairaland. Besides even here on Nairaland i can also show you hundreds of same.

Are you one of those whose moral opinion is shaped by the fear of hell or the reward of heaven?
Explain why Christians use Pascals Wager as an argument so frequently, if hell is not a motivator for them.
Christianity EtcRe: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by cloudgoddess(op): 7:28pm On Aug 18, 2016
Seun:
cloudgoddess: Thank for writing this.
Thanks for reading it all, haha smiley

It amazes me that you actually read/care for my posts. I've been quite star struck tongue
Christianity EtcRe: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by cloudgoddess(op): 7:27pm On Aug 18, 2016
stephenmorris:
my small brain could not process all you said grin grin grin grin but u are really a great teacher and great writer will you mind if i share your post as a guest author on my blog http://justhinkingh..com.ng/
Ahaha. Thank you so much! I would be honored smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Albert Einstein Did Not Believe In God! by cloudgoddess(f): 3:35pm On Aug 18, 2016
Reyginus:
Lol. An atheist is sure that god doesn't exist while an agnostic doesn't really know. Now join the two together. Instead of saying I am an agnostic theist you say I know god doesn't exist I don't know god doesn't exist. Lol.
Where did you stumble upon these definitions? Or are you just going off your own assumptions?
Christianity EtcRe: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by cloudgoddess(op): 2:43pm On Aug 18, 2016
ValentineMary:
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever Heb13:8

God is not human, that he should lie, not a
human being, that he should change his
mind. Numbers 23:19

Is it not funny that many things religious people condemn today were only condemed after secular laws were made stopping this. Eg killing people because of beliefs, slavery, discrimination, etc.

If the laws of God has changed to fit our current society, then society guides religious teaching and not the other way round.
Very on point.

Also, happy birthday Valentine! grin
Christianity EtcRe: Every Nigerian Atheist Should Be Outspoken by cloudgoddess(f): 11:33am On Aug 18, 2016
Touchnot01:
Somehow, just somehow, seun and other atheist assume that every one wants to live the family man life. Some people want to go about on a killing spree because it makes them happy, who are atheists to tell these ones what to do.
Those are what are called psychopaths/sociopaths and they are an obvious danger to society. Which is why developed, secular countries have mental institutions to keep them from causing harm and even attempt to help them.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Is Religious Africa Underperforming In Olympics? by cloudgoddess(f): 11:06am On Aug 18, 2016
wirinet:
The OP asked a valid question. Why is religious Africa underperforming at the Olympics and indeed every other indice of human development. Instead of the theists to reflect on the questions, there are going on the attack and comparing us to other continents.
Religious Africa is underperforming generally because we waste so much time in unproductive activities, instead of developing ourselves, individually and collectively, couple with the fact that we lack ability long time planing and foresight. We want instant and huge gratification with little planing and work. This is exactly what our brand of religion offers and why people spend more time with religious affairs than with actual productive activities.
A typical religious Nigerian will spend an average of two hours everyday in prayers. The average Christian would attend mid week service on Wednesday, night vigil on Friday ( making Saturday morning useless), then probably fellowship, choir practice or other church activities for the rest of Saturday. Some attend cell meetings or fellowships during the working days. If you add up all the time an average Nigerian spends on religious activities, I am sure it is not less than 25% of his/her waking time.
Now let's interpolate this time wastage with others from other parts of the world.
Athletes from other spend less than 10% of their waking hours on religious affairs, those from Europe and Asia even spend less. So obviously they put in more physical effort at trainings than our African based athletes. Furthermore, other athletes starts training for the next Olympics immediately the present Olympics ends. We Africans generally start preparing for the next competition a few months to the games. How do we hope to compete.
This same over religiosity affect all facets of our lives. I was miffed while university that science and technology students who should be spending most of their waking hours at research and study, waste lots of time with religious activities. You expect these students to compete with others from other parts of the world or lead Nigeria's technological development?
Very good points. Your post reminded me of this quote.

https://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-just-in-terms-of-allocation-of-time-resources-religion-is-not-very-efficient-there-s-a-lot-more-i-bill-gates-69086.jpg

I think what the theists on this thread are neglecting to acknowledge is that there are different levels of religiosity.

When a person attributes his successes to god(s) (like many athletes and celebrities around the world still do) yet did all of the work himself, and understands that without training and hard work he would not have made it, he's what I'd call moderately/casually religious. The type of person to ace an exam and say "Thank God" knowing full well it was their many hours of studying that got them there. The vast majority of religious people in the developed countries fall into this category.

Religion is a source of comfort for them, which they relay their achievements and gratitude through, but when push comes to shove they don't truly believe god miraculously steps into people's lives and does things without them having to do what it physically takes to make them happen -- except perhaps in very rare cases.

In other words, their level of religiosity is nothing like the brand of fervent miracle-touting, night vigil holding, holy-ghost fire summoning, Nigerian religiosity. Their behaviors (praying rarely or only before certain events, not taking prayers as seriously, investing way more time in training/studies than church, fully embracing secular ideas and lifestyles, not screaming for Holy Ghost fire to consume their enemies) show they are further into the realm of reason, but still have god/religion as an emotional crutch.
Christianity EtcRe: Taiwo Gold Ayodeji Renounces Religion, Says ‘I Know I Have Disappointed Many’ by cloudgoddess(f): 6:38pm On Aug 17, 2016
dermmy:
GOD bless you...our ancestors committed atrocities but i don't blame them coz they did it out of ignorance, thank God for christianity may be i would have been sacrificed to a blood sucking god.
Um, the Christian god was responsible for his fair share of bloodshed and killings.

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