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Also here is a continuation of the second search result. A more fleshed out description of what atheism means and where the confusion about the word comes from: |
timonski:The first two google searches that came up:
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joyandfaith:The Bible is unchanging because it's a piece of dogma(*), which tells it's followers nonacceptance will send them to eternal torture in hell. That's the only reason it's lasted so long, through fear, ignorance and indoctrination (forcing children to believe from birth before they can even think for themselves - essentially brainwashing). Science continues to change because we continue to learn more about how our universe works as time goes on and discoveries are made. The knowledge we have rests on the shoulders of prior discoveries. If science was not constantly refining itself we'd still be living in the f*cking dark ages with people dying at age 30 from common diseases that we can now easily cure, thinking a demon is cursing them with influenza. This constantly progressing scientific method is the only reason we even have this computer and Internet to discuss on, talk less of automobiles, modern medicine, efficient agriculture, and basically everything that makes our lives so much more convenient enjoyable and LONGER than they were in 300 BC. Science works. It's fruits are all around us. Belittling it to defend your unfounded & outdated faith is not only totally illogical, but very much biting the hand that feeds you. *Dogma refers to any ideology that claims it is irrefutably true even despite evidence to the contrary. There are literally thousands of different religious dogmas, the bible is NOT alone nor is it the first (Hindu Vedas, Jewish Torah, Buddhist Dharma, Shinto scripts, to name a few), it just happens to be the one that YOU were raised with/exposed to. And before white colonists conquered Africa and brainwashed us with their sh*t, we had our own traditional beliefs as well. |
felixomor:Or rather, you don't know the correct meaning of atheist or agnostic. Atheism is a lack of belief in gods. Agnosticism is position which says that whether a god exists or not, can not be known for certain by human beings. A person can be both, and most atheists actually are both. I too am an agnostic atheist. Even Richard Dawkins, one of the most active atheist speakers, puts himself at a 6 on a scale of 7, 7 being absolutely sure there is no god, and a 1 being absolutely sure there is. Both 1 and 7 are positions of Gnosticism - which no truly openminded person could take, and yet most theists do ("The existence of God is known, and I believe it exists" = gnostic theism). I hope that helps clarify. The terms confused me too before I learned what they really meant. |
Opium of the masses. |
So when assertions are made about the potential of science to provide an explanation of everything that exists, it is only reasonable to take such assertions with reservations.No real scientist claims he has an explanation for everything that exists. What scientists do say is that without good evidence to support it, there is no valid reason to hold extraordinary claims as true. Like Gods who talk to human beings and made us out of clay. There remains a vast store of knowledge that is beyond human perception and understanding.Absolutely. But that doesn't mean you get to fill in the blank with anything that makes you feel good and then parade it as truth. It does not logically follow that because science still has more to discover, we should dismiss it's findings in exchange for books written by extremely ignorant cave-dwellers from 2,000 years ago, who literally did not even know as much about the world around us as a modern 3rd grader. "I don't know" is a perfectly valid answer when there is something we don't yet know. It's the intellectually honest answer, at least. We can fill in those blanks later as we do more research. For now it makes sense to keep asking questions and learning as much as we can. Settling for answers that are far less substantiated than the ones we have now frankly doesn't make sense. While science offers knowledge of the natural world, the Bible provides principles and guidance that lead to peaceful human relations and a happy, satisfying way of life.This is a statement borne of ignorance. Psychology and neuroscience both explore these issues empirically, and have birthed some very enlightening answers. From my years of studying both, I have learned: - What factors contribute most to long term happiness (relationships, making progress towards tangible goals, being present in life -- not vast amounts of money or possessions like many people think) - How we are conditioned by our environment and the effects that conditioning has on our behavior, thoughts, and feelings - How our inner thoughts shape our experience of reality and why perspective is important - How to cultivate focus, mental clarity, and compassion towards the self and others via empirically proven meditation practices - What biases human beings are prone to and how to avoid making poor decisions because of them (ironically many of these contribute to religious thinking: bias towards authority, emotional biases, confirmation bias, group-think) And regardless of what science says about any of these topics, there are thousands of texts, both religious and secular, that include directions on better living. Buddhist scripts, dating older than 500 years prior to the founding of Christianity, include beautiful instructions on how to avoid needless suffering for oneself and others, detach from egoistic desires, and live with more gratitude. The bible is not unique when it comes to guiding principles, and in many areas it is lacking (with contradictions abound. "Do not murder" on one page, and "strike infants against rocks" on another). Also, the bible's few bits of wisdom do not validate the other things in it that are not sensible. The Hindu Vedas say we should savor every moment of life and make the most of our days. This is a valuable and true life tip. But does that now mean that Krishna and Vishnu are real and created the earth from their bosoms? |
If one claims that a book is God-inspired then the contents of it should be factually accurate. It doesn't just "explain things in a less sophisticated way", the bible is simply wrong in most of it's claims about nature. As in 2 + 2 = 7 wrong. There are things written in the bible that directly contradict the laws of physics and chemistry. And if you can admit that the writers of the bible were ignorant in their understanding of nature, then what reason is there to assume they were not just as ignorant in their understanding of God(s), his existence or lack thereof, and the qualities he allegedly possesses? |
plaetton:Wow. This post is so profound, I couldn't agree more. |
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UltimateDaniel: orunto27:Any feelings of shame after masturbation are caused by childhood brainwashing & conditioning to feel ashamed of the act. Period. As taboo as it is to mention (because of this widespread brainwashing), many young children actually masturbate, of course without using pornography or fantasizing sexually. It's just another natural, pleasant sensation to them. It's only when the zealous religious mother or father comes along, slaps their hand, and tells them they are going to hell if they do that again, that the shame begins to set in. And this shame is of course reinforced by years of continuous preaching against "lust" and "desires of the flesh". It's very damaging to one's psychological and sexual health actually. |
hopefulLandlord:I've noticed this too. But psychologically it makes sense when you consider things like herd mentality & confirmation bias. In addition to their particular faiths, Muslims and Christians are also biased towards a specific mode of thinking: an unquestioning, religious mindset. This mindset is fond of supernatural explanations, and is inclined to accept things as true out of fear of authority (God, Imam, Pastor, whatever), emotional reasoning, etc. It's this shared mindset that they're truly defending more than anything else, moreso even than the specific details of their religion. Think of two categorical circles, a small one within a larger one. The larger circle is "religious thought" and the inner circle is "thought specific to my particular religion". Both Muslims and Christians are protective of both. To put it in other words, they're much more threatened by the mere act of free thought than they are of contrary religious thought. That's where all the anger & defensiveness comes from. Atheists are outside of both circles, so we're much more deviant and unfamiliar in their eyes. A common enemy. They can't imagine turning a critical eye on religious thinking themselves (out of fear), so they villify anyone bold enough (or in their eyes, crazy/sinful/arrogant enough) to do it. It's similar to how many slaves showed scorn towards the few fellow slaves who tried to fight for freedom. They were going against the paradigm and thus worthy of scorn. It's all based in fear and primitive thinking patterns. |
Strawman:I think the difference is that the atheist will openly acknowledge that his fortune was indeed a matter of pure luck. That it could've been him in the unfortunate situation, and it was merely chance that made it otherwise. But when one introduces God into the picture, it very much implies that they were intentionally favored in a way that an atheist would probably never claim to be. Suggesting that somehow, the supposed creator of the universe chose to prioritize their lives or happiness over that of others. I think the non-God perpective makes room for (but of course, does not necessarily guarantee) a more humble sense of gratitude, as well as compassion on the part of those who were not so fortunate. Whereas the "God did this for ME" perspective is more likely to breed self-centeredness and disconcern for the misfortune of others. |
Scholar8200:Wow. Christian logic is truly baffling at times. Alarming even. I don't know whether to give a lesson on basic ecology or just save my breath. F*ck it, this just has to be said. I'll try to make it quick. Lions never ate grass. Their dentition is a dead giveaway - long, sharp canines are for tearing flesh. Anatomically they are simply not shaped to chew down plant matter (compare a cow or zebra's teeth & bite to a lion's and you will see the functional dissimilarity). Also, not only are their digestive systems unfit to break down cellulose (it would literally cause vomiting and constipation), but their carnivorous role is critical for maintaining the population balance of their herbivorous prey. Without carnivores, prey would quickly reproduce to excess, leading to food shortage and ultimately destruction of the ecosystem. The bible is a book of myths and falsehoods written by extremely ignorant, primitive men. Whatever claims it makes regarding nature are very likely to be false. Value yourself and learn about the real world. You're wasting mental energy defending made up junk that makes absolutely no sense. |
donnffd:Absolutely. I follow a few ex-Muslim atheists on YouTube and guess what religion they criticize 99% of the time? ISLAM. It doesn't take a genius to understand this. It's obvious that Image is just grasping for straws. |
ifenes:I mean, what better way to control people than to make them feel ashamed about their own biology (creating a "problem" ), and then offer the "solution" -- mental slavery to all-seeing dictator? It's the perfect scheme, any primitive man would've fallen for it. |
paxonel:That doesn't count as evidence... None of the supernatural claims in the bible have ever been independently & objectively verified. It's why Noah's ark and the resurrection aren't in history books. Evidence requires unbiased, often systematic verification from multiple sources. The bible was written by secondhand accounts of people who weren't even alive at the time of said events. That is probably the weakest type of "evidence" possible. And what are these modern day miracles you speak of? Improbable healing & recovery, going from poverty to a stable career, finally having children after multiple attempts -- these kinds of events are often labeled miracles by Christians but they can happen to anyone, even atheists, with just as much frequency. There is no reason to believe that it's the Christian God causing them to happen. It's more reasonable to think that unlikely good things just happen in life sometimes. Just like unlikely bad things happen to everyone as well. A TRUE modern day miracle would be something like God arranging the stars in the Big Dipper to say "I am God!" or like onetrack suggested, a person's limb growing back spontaneously. |
noblemails:They want to create the illusion of supernatural interference. |
Chinexbagar:This is assuming that a God that talks to people exists (which still hasn't been proven), and that we will be conscious after death (which also hasn't been proven). It would seem, then, that waiting till death to ask these questions could very well be waiting for nothing. Perhaps it would be more wise to use this life to ask as many important questions as we can, since an afterlife of tea parties with Jesus appears highly unlikely. |
Love this. 100 likes. |
For whatever reason I expected this to be a smart thread but nope, just more fallacious claims ![]() |
Ranchhoddas:Thank you so much! I am flattered ![]() |
It was difficult for me to make this post because so many things have happened along my "journey to atheism" that I could write a book on it. I'll try to focus on the most important points to keep this from being too long. ~~~ Before my teenage years, I never questioned Christianity. I was very convinced that it was all real and true (as any indoctrinated & blissfully ignorant child would be), despite not having read much of the bible or knowing anything about other religions, history, or science. I had nightmares about hell or demons on a few occassions, which made me terrified of eternal damnation. I don't think I ever desired heaven nearly as much as I feared hell -- and I think that might be the case for many Christians/religious people. Subconscious fear is a stronger motivator than most of us imagine. A memorable catalyst for deeper investigation of my religion was around age 13 when, in the car on the way home from church one day, I opened my bible to a random page and started reading. Prior to that moment, as I mentioned above, I hadn't read very much of the bible outside of the verses chosen by pastor during service. I landed on the story of Lot's daughters. To recap, the story basically describes in excrutiating detail, two young women getting their father drunk, and then impregnating themselves by sleeping with him. While reading it (remember, I'm 13 years old, and my father is in the front seat ) I felt such an overwhelming sense of disgust and horror. I wondered why this story was never mentioned in church, why children would be directed to read a book that contains this kind of weird sh*t, and what other questionable things might be in the bible.I started reading more bible stories. I read about the genocides God carrys out in the bible, the slavery he permits and even poses regulations for ("It's all good if you whip them as long as they don't die " ), the rape he allows, the unequal treatment of women he dictates. After some amount of sincere reading, my skepticism became too uncomfortable to ignore. I took to the internet for answers, and inevitably stumbled upon websites that eloquently, boldly, and coherently stated the same criticisms I was secretly thinking while reading the bible, but too afraid to share with anyone ("Why was god so cruel even though he claims to be loving? How can a God that's supposedly all-knowing, punish people with such fierceness and anger as if he didn't see it coming?" )Of course, I became obsessed. As the months went on I started to spend more and more time on websites that pointed out the flaws in Christianity. I stumbled upon youtube videos by atheists, science videos explaining evolution, and videos questioning the validity of biblical ressurection/Noah's ark/etc. Soon I realized that I could not honestly call myself a Christian anymore. I hadn't yet ruled out the idea of a God completely, but the bible's flaws were too glaring at this point for me to still hold Yahweh in my mind as true. Of course, I kept this all to myself and continued to go to church with my family. A teenager in a highly religious Nigerian household doesn't have much of a choice. Equipped with this new knowledge however, I started to notice more flaws, contradictions, and moral issues with what we were being taught in my youth group & during sermons. When I asked questions, the answers I recieved were very insufficient and unconvincing. Many times they just seemed like bad excuses that only a small child would fall for. It also became more obvious to me that prayer was ineffective. The "God's time" explanation that I had accepted so readily before, now appeared to be a clear cop-out -- If God is going to do everything on his time anyway, what's the point of praying? I also noticed that a lot of effort was put into making it "feel real". During prayer time everyone would be made to hold hands, and the most emotionally moving tracks would be played very loudly. I started to ask myself, if something was truly happening when we prayed, why did we need all of this emotional manipulation? Why couldn't God just talk to people casually and directly, without a need for all the extra noise? As I continued to be an avid internet user, and my interests in science grew (biology and psychology in particular), I couldn't help but stumble upon more and more reasons to reject Christianity, and Abrahamic religions as a whole. Due to fear and denial, I didn't admit to myself that I was indeed an atheist until perhaps two years ago. I am now in my 20's. I can honestly say that my life without religion is much better. I don't have to lie to myself, keeping contradictory ideas in my head out of fear (cognitive dissonance is REAL). I don't have to adhere to ridiculous and outdated views. I can think for myself, and freely explore science without defending myself against everything I discover ("But but but, the bible says...!" ). I mean there's just so much inner freedom now. Nairaland has helped me be much more comfortable, and even proud of, my atheism. It feels great to know that there are other brilliant & brave Nigerian thinkers out there, even if most of us are in hiding (for now). I have no doubts that in the near future more and more people will be leaving religion behind, in part, if not mostly, due to enlightenment via the internet. ~~~ cc BeastAmbition urahara ![]() |
oweniwe:It bothers me that people still buy into this completely false idea that religion is the maintainer of human ethics & morality. Perhaps in the 2nd century when it was the best civilization had in terms of law. But not in the 21st century. There is actually a trend between religiosity and HIGHER crime and poverty rates. Countries that have higher proportions of religious people (like most African and Middle Eastern countries) have more crime and corruption, while countries with higher secular majorities (like Australia, Japan and Netherlands) are safer, more educated, and more peaceful. Ask yourself, how do the 80% of China's population who identify as atheist or non-religious, keep from robbing and assaulting eachother in the absence of dogma? How do they live so harmoniously without churches on every street corner? |
HardMirror:I laughed, HARD ![]() This is a great thread, keep it up! |
Very important message. Thanks OP. |
seafarers:That isn't how evolution works. The cartoonish depictions of it that creationists are taught is an embarassing display of ignorance on the subject (and/or desperation to defend religious texts, even if it means intellectual dishonesty). Refer to the following youtube video by my favorite German science educators at Kurzgesagt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOfRN0KihOU My thread here: https://www.nairaland.com/2914888/much-needed-explanation-evolution and Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution Please, for the betterment of mankind educate yourself. edit: After posting this I noticed the humor in me criticizing cartoonish depictions of evolution, and then posting a literal cartoon depiction of evolution ![]() |
Reading the story of Lot's daughters as a young teen literally sparked my atheism. Lmao. I was too disgusted. (Btw I've been intermittently working on my story in Joshuabase's thread for the past few days and was deciding whether or not to include that. Seeing this I think I will ) |
Because contrary to what religious people like to argue, religion does not make people better, not long-term at least. Religion tries to regulate behavior via external motivators - like the promise of heaven, or various "blessings". But social psychology shows that true good will comes from an intrinsic desire to be good. To relate to other human beings in a caring way for no reason other than wanting to live in harmony & show kindness. If a person does not have this (many Nigerians do not), then religion, if it has any effect at all, will only temporarily motivate good deeds & behavior. |
I can't decide whether to laugh or just be sad, has Nigerias education really become this poor ![]() Compass directions are arbitrary human labels determined by earth's magnetic field to help us navigate our planet. There is no north, south, east, and west in outer space. |
Hiswordxray:You do realize that religious people become atheist after investigating their faith & realizing it's invalid, right? It doesn't take that much effort to become an atheist if you care about what's actually true, not just what you hope to be true. We atheists are simply people who stopped letting comforting religious delusions blind us to reality & facts. Regardless of how deeply you personally choose to remain steeped in your religious brainwashing, there will still be Christians (and Muslims, and even Jews, like Mark Zuckerburg creator of Facebook & humanitarian) learning about the world outside of their indoctrination & waking up to the foolishness of religion. The only thing anyone could possibly do to stop it is block off access to educational resources like the Internet. Unless you can do that, don't count on atheism being "abolished" any time soon. In fact, like onetrack said, you can probably count on seeing more and more of us. |
Kennedyiheme: |
I just realized the person I quoted might have been making a joke? Lol forgive me if that was the case. Still, any Christian is free to answer the points I brought up. |


) I felt such an overwhelming sense of disgust and horror. I wondered why this story was never mentioned in church, why children would be directed to read a book that contains this kind of weird sh*t, and what other questionable things might be in the bible.
" ), the rape he allows, the unequal treatment of women he dictates. After some amount of sincere reading, my skepticism became too uncomfortable to ignore. I took to the internet for answers, and inevitably stumbled upon websites that eloquently, boldly, and coherently stated the same criticisms I was secretly thinking while reading the bible, but too afraid to share with anyone ("Why was god so cruel even though he claims to be loving? How can a God that's supposedly all-knowing, punish people with such fierceness and anger as if he didn't see it coming?" )
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