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naijadeyhia:
You need to grasp the basics of evolution first ro understand what I am saying.

A mamoth allegedly existed before the elephant did so where are the evolving ancestral mammoth origin?

Says the person who opened this thread by asking why ants don't have human heads...
And then tried to copy and paste an article from ICR as a valid scientific argument...

You're pretending (or just lying) that you know more than you do and that's actually quite irritating. Before any new information can enter your brain you need to be willing to acknowledge the idiotic misconceptions you have gathered so far. And from reading through what has become of this thread since I last posted, you still refuse to do that. You've made countless statements about evolution that were total rubbish and not once have you conceded any of them despite them being pointed out to you. You keep spouting the same misguided crap with the mindset that you are correct, and there is absolutely no point in trying to educate you if you continue to do that.

Goodness. I was getting a headache just looking through this thread. Stop pretending you're well-educated on this topic when you are not.

What a ridiculous and utter waste of money.

felixomor:
Even if what u r saying is true.
Still doesnt change the fact that the probability of eternity for the aethist is ZERO. In other words, the grave is the best endpoint, if not worse.
While that for the person who believes in God isnt ZERO.
That sums it.

Interesting.

But you must remember that believing in something doesn't make it true. No matter how emotionally & psychologically attached someone is to their God concept, at the end of the day, if he/it isn't real (which is extremely likely for several reasons), all they're doing is wasting their limited time on earth praying to a nonexistent entity. I'd rather live my life to the fullest than waste it tied to false hopes.

Do you truly think spending a large fraction of your time dedicated to beliefs that are only .001% likely to be true, is a valuable use of your time? Do you think a loving God, if he actually existed, would allow people to believe in so many false gods without giving clear, irrefutable evidence showing which one is true? Would he/it purposely allow such confusion?

Everyone, no matter what beliefs they hold on their brains, will lose all cognitive function upon death. What you guys are claiming is that after your brain (responsible for all of your senses and self-identity) shuts down, you will somehow still be conscious. That is what atheists are extremely unconvinced of. There is simply no evidence to suggest that consciousness can live on without a functioning brain. Even living people can lose their consciousness, senses, & personality by suffering brain damage.

Jerrypolo:
Is it not better to live as pure and holy as possible then at the end find out that there is no God than to live unrighteous and unholy and at the end find there is a God!??....You do not stand to lose anything if you find out there is no God but it will be a great disappointment to find out there is a God that will judge..... I don't like involving myself in religious argument because am not in position to speak for God. Please, please and please seek God while He is near to avoid regrets. God bless you and everyone

1. Classic Pascal's Wager. What makes this a fallacy is that there isn't just one "God" option, but thousands. The Christian God is relatively new on the religion scene. Before and after Yahweh, there were thousands of gods created and worshiped throughout hundreds of cultures across the globe. So if being "wrong" gets you sent to eternal torture, then Christians are nearly as likely to go to hell as atheists are -- that is, if any of the thousands of gods are real. Which is highly unlikely given the evidence.

2. If "righteousness" and "holiness" means simply being a kind and compassionate person, then according to Christianity that isn't enough. You have to believe that Jesus is the son of God and that Yahweh is the one true god, in order to get to Christian heaven. Simply being good doesn't cut it. It's simply a matter of who decides to believe, at the expense of all other far more likely possibilities, that Christianity is true.

tempem:
And you formed evolution? where's the root? From your own source?

An education?

I got a proper biology education and came to a thorough understanding of the concept by studying with a genuine desire to comprehend it. That's quite different than copying and pasting other people's flawed and poorly researched arguments from biased creationist websites, in attempts to refute a concept I don't even understand the basics of.

naijadeyhia:
Permit me to dig deeper as an ex science freak.....yeah I used to be one. Surprised?

Our present atmosphere consists of 78% nitrogen (N2), 21% molecular oxygen (O2), and 1% of other gases, such as carbon dioxide CO2), argon (Ar), and water vapor H2O). An atmosphere containing free oxygen would be fatal to all origin of life schemes ((not if they lived underwater)) While oxygen is necessary for life ((no it isn't)), free oxygen would oxidize and thus destroy all organic molecules required for the origin of life. Thus, in spite of much evidence that the earth has always had a significant quantity of free oxygen in the atmosphere((where is that evidence?)), evolutionists persist in declaring that there was no oxygen in the earth's early atmosphere.

However, this would also be fatal to an evolutionary origin of life. If there were no oxygen there would be no protective layer of ozone surrounding the earth. Ozone is produced by radiation from the sun on the oxygen in the atmosphere, converting the diatomic oxygen(O2) we breathe to triatomic oxygen O3), which is ozone. Thus if there were no oxygen there would be no ozone.

The deadly destructive ultraviolet light from the sun would pour down on the surface of the earth unimpeded, destroying those organic molecules required for life, reducing them to simple gases, such as nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and water. Thus, evolutionists face an irresolvable dilemma: in the presence of oxygen, life could not evolve; without oxygen, thus no ozone, life could not evolve or exist.

I think you are the one who needs to enrol for Evolution 101

Cc seun, cloudgoddess am I right or am I wrong?

The sequence of events you're presenting here is incorrect, and the bolded statements are false.

The earliest life forms didn't need oxygen or ozone to arise. They were anaerobic, like many archaebacteria, bacteria, and even some eukaryotic single-celled organisms (like yeast) still are today. And since they lived in the ocean, UV protection was not required.

Cyanobacteria were one of these early life forms, and they slowly generated the oxygen in the atmosphere via photosynthesis (a process which requires only CO2 and water). Protective mechanisms to avoid oxidation began to evolve in these microbes as the atmosphere's oxygen content increased, and the microbial species that lacked said mechanisms died out (natural selection in action).

The ozone layer that formed after sufficient oxygen had been added to the atmosphere made it possible for land life to evolve. Prior to that all life was in the ocean.

EDIT:
After writing out my response I realized you copied and pasted your entire argument from the Institute of Creation Research http://www.icr.org/article/few-reasons-evolutionary-origin-life-impossible/
Really?

naijadeyhia:
I have a good question about evolution. If species are evolving, how come we don't see any doggie-cats? How about monkey-bats? Why I don't even see an ant with a human head or anything in nature that is in the process of evolving into something else. My cat is still a cat and has never evolved into a pig. Examine your pets. Maybe your parakeet or parrot is evolving into a buffalo? Do you see any buffalo fur on it? I do not see any practical, common-sense, evidence of any evolution taking place. It it were, we are bound to see some animals of the millions on earth "evolving" into a new life form. All the zoo animals I see in the zoos are not evolving. It ain't happening folks! Show me the proof. Show me the evidence. So far, God has shown his hand. He said he created the creatures and his creatures are visible proof of what he said has become visible before your very eyes. Now show me proof that evolution is real. I want to see it for myself. I want real evidence that would be held up in any court of law. Not speculation or theory... real proof.

Now don't be a Human Baboon about this subject or you will demonstrate yourself as proof-positive that some sort of dehumanizing evolution is taking place. Be sensible and respectful. It is a good question. How come we see not one evidence of any mammal, human or beast evolving? Seems to me, there is no evolution taking place except in the fantasy of the mind, the dreamer of dreams. Present the evidence to the judge so the jury can see the evidence and make a reasonable decision. Present actual evidence, not hearsay or preponderance. The real thing is needed. Can you deliver?

Cc cloudgoddess et al

So from what you have posted here, I can conclude that you know absolutely nothing about what evolution actually involves and what the Theory of Evolution actually states. Like most creationists, you are starting from below ground zero because not only do you not know the basics of the concept you're trying to refute, but in addition you have a huge pile of ridiculous and false misconceptions about it (taught to you by other creationists, perhaps your parents, pastors, and religious peers) that is literally blocking you from being able to process an accurate understanding.

Here are some of them:

If species are evolving, how come we don't see any doggie-cats? How about monkey-bats?

Like all related species, dogs & cats split from a common ancestor millions of years ago via very small genetic changes that accumulated from generation to generation. Evolution isn't a random mashing together of different species.

Why I don't even see an ant with a human head or anything in nature that is in the process of evolving into something else.

Would a 10 pound head on a 1 gram body be beneficial to the survival of any organism? Would the development of such a creature even obey the laws of physics? Listen to yourself.

I do not see any practical, common-sense, evidence of any evolution taking place.

Because your view of "evolution" is straight out of Pokemon or Animorphs. No evolutionary biologist has ever claimed any of the things you've mentioned being possible via evolutionary processes.

Before I risk wasting my breath by continuing, I want you to first understand the total nonsense present in your post, and that NONE of that accurately describes the process of evolution. Then I will explain to you what actual evolution entails.

Image123:
Exactly, you don't think. If you did, you would believe God.

Is that all you got from those words? Let me try and break it down for you a bit more.

There isn't just "one reason" for my, or any person's existence. Everyone who is alive now is alive because of an infinite number of events including the birth of their earliest ancestors, dating all the way back to the common non-human ancestors we all share, and the chemical & physical processes that led to their emergence (including the formation of the milky way galaxy and our sun), not to mention all the events that have kept them alive thus far. Tagging a single target as the reason for one's existence would be viewing things from a very myopic & incomplete scope.

Great you started thinking here. Your parents are responsible for your birth or abortion. It had nothing to do with your other ancestors.

See the above. Also what's with the useless insults? Was I insulting you in my original responses to you? If not then where's this coming from? Do you have an inferiority complex or something?

Only that you only trace by faith. i also trace by faith. Thanking non-living things is not one of the smartest things to do IMHO. Don't ever be found doing it, even if you are thinking it please.

Nope, not faith. Evidence & education.

And I'll just ignore the additional pettiness & deflection attempt.

Meaning HardMirror is not natural or normal i guess. He considers human life and ant life to be of the same relevance.

Or maybe he has a different way of thinking of the situation. On a time scale of 14 billion years (the age of the universe), one could say an ant's life (.0000000000357% of that) and a human's life (.00000000643%) are nearly indistinguishable at least as far as length goes.

If we choose, it is fine by you. If God chooses, na wahala, you see everything wrong with it.

Because god is supposed to be omnipotent and an omnipotent god shouldn't exhibit biased human thinking. Unless he was invented by humans.

In other words, there is no "you". The you that stole yesterday is different and should not be punished today because the atoms have been exchanged by the second, or what is the point you are trying to make with this common knowledge of body metabolism?

It was merely a "food for thought" side note, which is what the star was supposed to indicate. Stop jumping to conclusions, it isn't making you look any smarter if that is your goal.

naijadeyhia:
So you cannot see the irony of what you said when placed side by side with evolution? Amazing!

It feels like you are being evasive on purpose. How hard is it to answer a simple question?

How does the development of different brain/vocal anatomy in different species contradict evolution in any way? Do you even know what evolution is or are you just pretending to?

If you reply with more evasion tactics I'm not going to respond to you again.

naijadeyhia:
Look at the question again...

What is the colour of the wind or where is it coming from and going to since you know the composition of air

The gases in our atmosphere don't have color, any color they show in certain situations is due to refraction of light. And the movement of air is dictated by earth's rotation and atmospheric pressure generated by the Sun's heat.

Please tell me what this has to do with souls.

naijadeyhia:
And I ask you..what is the colour of the wind or where is it coming from or going to since you know the composition of air?

...what? The composition of air can be determined by taking a sample of it and doing tests. That's how we know what gases our atmosphere contains.

If you don't have an answer then you could just say so.

naijadeyhia:
Put what you just said side by side with evolution and then tell me how sensible you think you sounded.

How did any of that contradict evolution?

naijadeyhia:
No doubt all will die but therein is the dilemma. If we are all alike how come our consciousness makes us able to reason and choose and grow amazingly in knowledge.

I have read of a little boy who was raised by wolves and grew up but never being fully accepted by the wolves because he was "odd". However within months of being separated from them had learnt to talk but same wolves can never learn how to speak as we do neither can monkeys whom we allegedly evolved from but we can speak like monkeys and like wolves and birds and practically every other creature but they cannot do same with ours.

We are different not just physically but on a much higher level as well.

It's called a more highly developed pre-frontal cortex and more specialized vocal muscles. Some humans are born with defects in those areas and are thus incapable of all of those special functions you named. Brain damage can cause a person to lose his ability to recognize faces, to speak coherently or process language, or to even do simple 1+1 calculations.

Wolves and other non-human animals have smaller brains which are incapable of processing sophisticated language or complex thought, and vocal chords that are incapable of the fine adjustments human vocal chords can produce. Genetic differences cause anatomical differences which cause physiological/functional differences. Humans' reasoning abilities can be traced to specific DNA sequences we have in our cells that wolves do not have in theirs.

naijadeyhia:
You and your Chemical this and chemical that. This your small knowledge of biology will be your bane one day.

If we believe in gravity even when we do not see or feel it and simply because a man named it gravity does not mean its really gravity...it could be something else.

Many of us refuse to ask the right questions because we just want to hold on to our own little aspect of false reality.

Why would the sun conveniently have all the right gases burning on it to create a continuous stream of light which is integral to the survival of the earth and also be conveniently placed at just the right distance from the earth so we would not be scorched yet have just enough that we need.

We really cannot talk about immortality here as it depends on the mindset of whoever. However if everything around such people who refuse to believe in immortality cannot speak to them about some form of higher design or designer then they should just hold on because in maybe another 50 to 60 yrs they would be dead and all their questions about immortality will be answered then.

As for me immortality is the waking up moment of that which wears our body when the body is done with its job known as our soul. The soul needed to adapt to this earth hence why it was given a body and when its job is done it will do away with the body just like someone who works in a space station needs a space suit and after spending years in space would return to command center to give a report of his stay and findings while on the space mission.

Its an insult to believe that man who has transformed this planet and filled with such intelligence would end up being just plant food and nothing else. If it were true then why were we not just left to remain as animals as they also would become plant food. Man is different and we have an eternal abode. Those who do not believe can wait till they close their eyes in death to receive their eureka moment.

Why are you getting defensive for no reason and ranting about information I didn't ask about? You could have simply answered my question.

The soul needed to adapt to this earth hence why it was given a body and when its job is done it will do away with the body just like someone who works in a space station needs a space suit and after spending years in space would return to command center to give a report of his stay and findings while on the space mission.

And so I'll ask again. What does this "soul" contain if our bodies (neurons, DNA, and all) are just the "space suit"?

As interesting as it would be if it were true, I personally see no reliable evidence for an eternal soul, and a substantial amount of evidence against it.

My biggest question is probably, what exactly would this soul, or eternal energy, contain? Our personalities? Our likes and dislikes? Our habits? What lasting parts of "us" can be attributed to it? Because it appears that any aspect of our personalities can be altered through physical & chemical changes in our brains & our genetic material.

joseph1013:
I don't take UyiIredia serious. He is a pseudo-intellectual who uses the god-of-the-gap alot.

How can you make speculations and pass them across as facts. Huh?

That second part really is at the crux of all this.

Even if consciousness is not yet fully explained by science -- which I completely concede to (however we have tons of evidence that consciousness, at least for human beings, can not exist without physical & chemical elements functioning in such a way as to allow it) -- I can't for the life of me figure out how that lack of understanding proves Yahweh, or any of the personal gods described & worshipped by humans.

It's like saying, "we don't know why stars are so bright, so there has to be a star fairy planting stars throughout the galaxy!" Like how did you get from point A to point Z?

There are too many unevidenced assumptions one would have to make to conclude that the God of Abraham is real and wants us to follow Jesus, simply because consciousness is not yet fully understood.

krak101:
This is ridiculous (if true). Even in the animal kingdom the newborns are taught the act of survival instinctively by their parents. You either learn and survive or you don't and die. Humans are not any different. So if it's not owk to teach a child religion, why teach them to eat,learn all sorts of abstracts things at school and so on. This guys got to be kidding or something

Children can survive just fine without religious dogma (and good ol' hell threats) injected into their impressionable minds before they can even think for themselves. In fact they'd be better off for it.

Children raised secular don't have to deal with all the cognitive dissonance & confusion that religiously indoctrinated kids are faced with once they start learning about science and philosophy and history. They don't have to be years behind in their education because of the resistance that naturally arises when they're faced with facts that contradict the bible (or Qu'ran or whatever).

I think if more people raised their children to be moral, hardworking, creative and compassionate without religion, we'd have more Mark Zuckerburgs in the world.

UyiIredia:
God does it through our brains.

So when a person consumes a poison, or is a victim of an accident that causes them to enter a vegetative state, is it God that takes away their consciousness? Or is the loss in consciousness a result of physical & chemical damage?

Millex:
An armed robber, rapist etc who repents, on restitution is to Go Back and confess to the victims what ever the victims or authorities punishment for the sin committed would be served.

So human law inforcement is responsible for bringing Christian criminals to justice. Not god. Thanks for proving my point.

About the last part, that's grace for you, as long a who ever sins repents genuinely with a sorrowful heart, grace would abound.

If they repent to Jesus. Only Jesus. This "grace" is only applicable to the Christian faith. Or would the same work for someone who prays to Krishna for forgiveness?

the person could die before having a chance to repent.

And that's only a matter of chance. It's obviously unfair if one murderer gets to repent before he dies and goes to heaven, while his partner in crime gets killed before he can and goes to hell. How is such a setup moral in any way?

Richirich713:
I think so.

Lol it clearly isn't. Stop lying.

Bridgetania:
Allowing Satan through the form of a serpent to brainwash

And you weren't brainwashed to believe in Adam & Eve, Satan and talking snakes?

I AmA Believer!..no amount of carnal mind sensitization will change it!!!

Stay ignorant if you wish, no one is taking that right from you. But don't assume that your dogged determination to remain so is a reflection of all Christians on NL.

Some are actually willing to come face to face with evidence that may disprove their beliefs they were raised with, because they care more about what is true than what is comfortable. Don't you know most atheists on NL are ex-Christians, including me?

honourhim:
Now you are saying there is no judgment in christianity. The next minute you will be angry that God said that sinners will be punished at last in hell fire.
Do u even have a stand?

Read carefully before you respond to things please.

In Christianity, "SINNERS" - loosely defined as people who do bad things, do NOT recieve judgment for their sin as long as they remain Christian and pray.

Hellfire is for people who do not accept Jesus & Yahweh. That's really the only purpose it serves, a negative reinforcement to discourage leaving the faith. A fear based motivator to help ensure that people remain Christians. Under Christianity an axe murderer and rapist can make heaven. What judgment do they recieve for their killing and rape if all they have to do is pray it away?

honourhim:
.

And since you were not there when the biblical events happened then you have no grounds to say it never happened.
I still make my point that those who are not on God's side will be punished in hell fire forever. I am not forcing anybody to believe and i cannot stop saying it because you don't believe in it.

And neither do you have any grounds to say it did happen.

goodnewscliff:
at least u know theres a creator...whether u dnt knw d numbers or not, WE WERE CREATED BY SOMEONE A FACT NO ONE CAN DENY

Why are you assuming things I never said or even suggested, and why did you evade the question?

Image123:
A gift from who, who gave it?



Appreciation to who or what? Do you also believe like HardMirror that human life and ants are the same?

I don't think it makes a lot of sense to single out a single "who" or "what" to attribute my existence to.

If I had to point at anyone directly, it'd be my parents for conceiving me, and nurturing me without abandoning me. But then it wouldn't make sense not to thank their parents, and their parents parents. And everything and everyone that contributed to their survival, all the way back to my most primal ancestors.

Eventually I could trace back to the ancestor that modern humans and chimpanzees share, and even further to the ancestor shared by all of life 3.5 billion years ago. Then the earth itself, the celestial matter that formed it and the sun, and all the astrophysical processes that came before that.

At some point I'd be forced to thank the entire universe, the space-time continuum of which "I" (this human form & brain that "these"(*) atoms currently make up), am an inextricable part. So I suppose there's your answer

As for the ant issue, its ultimately subjective to who is doing the valuing. An ant does not value a human's life, just as most humans don't value ants' lives, and lions don't value the lives of deers and zebras. I think its quite natural for an organism to value its own kin and personal objectives more than anything else.

However us humans, with our enhanced ability to imagine and empathize with the suffering of other members of our species outside of our kin, & even members of other species, might see all life as equally valuable if we choose. It depends on where our individual and collective consciousnesses happen to be.

*I put "these" in quotation marks because the atoms that make up the female human form cloudgoddess are being exhanged by the second. Its impossible to pin down any particular group of atoms and accurately call it "me" my entire life.

Xtopher123:
Throughout your existence on earth youll never lack for this Response, its the most matured I can think of

Thank you

SenatePresdo:
Each time I see an atheist, I laugh at the devil.
But the most shameful aspect of it is that most atheists, especially the ones here on Nairaland became atheist by relying on another fellow's blind logics.

They don't want to be having the mind-set of when they sin, judgment awaits them.

The Devil is wiser than most mankind, let him continue deceiving the ones he can.

End time is Here brethrens, fasten your seat belts, the ride is not going to be smooth.

Judgment doesn't await sinners in Christianity lol. A Christian can perform any sin he wants as long as he prays to Jesus after. I saw it all the time as a Christian and I still see it all the time.

Christianity has nothing to do with morality. It's a get out of jail free card for people who are sufficiently gullible to take the bible -- with all it's inconsistencies, contradictions, shady history, science blunders and logical fallacies -- as true.

goodnewscliff:
seriouslyu ve typed Craps...... if u study and read about himan DNA, the PRECISENESS AND CORRECTNESS OF PLANET EARTH, ITS ORBIT ROUND THE SUN, THE SELF PROTECTIVE POWER OF THE EARTH FROM SPACE HAZARD LIKE METEORS AND ASTERIODS , THE SELF SUFFICIENCY OF EARTH , THE INSTINT OF SOME ANIMALS LIKE ANTS LIZARDS BIRDS, PHOTOSYNTHESIS, OXYGEN AND CARBON DIOXIDE CIRCLE, THE HUMAN BRAIN , THE SUN , DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF FOOD , ANIMALS ,TASTES..TO MENTION BUT SO FEW........U WOULD BE A FOOOLLLLLLL TO CONCLUDE THAT THERES NO GOD EVEN FROM THE THINGS HE HAS MADE

I won't even go into the fallicies commited by assuming a creator due to complexity, yet.

First I want you to explain with evidence, how you know that this creator you just described is Yahweh and not Krishna, Zeus, Buddha, Obatala, Olorun, Amatsukami, Amadioha, or any of the other 3,000+ gods or deities that have ever been invented. Because for every single one of those gods, the people who worship(ed) them attribute the same feats to them, and NOT to the creator you personally have been taught to worship.

Hell, how do you even know it was one creator and not multiple? Or a creator no human has ever accurately described?

Miona:
God says more than hi, just that He doesn't speak to everyone especially those that think He's doesn't exist. Thanks to God there are still people that will trust Him all the way. Please, leave the poor girl alone. Let her be, she prefers God's existence to your whatever.

Imagine a child who is born into a family that thinks unicorns are real and worships them. From the age of 1, the child is constantly bombarded with messages from the people he trusts, that if he talks to the unicorns, they will grant him favor. Every positive thing that happens to the child, is attributed to unicorns by his parents and family and friends, until eventually the child begins to "talk to" and "hear" the unicorns himself. Eventually, he truly believes that these unicorns are real and responsible for every good thing in his life.

Your claim that "god doesn't speak to people who are unconvinced of his existence" is precisely correct. Read this sentence carefully please: "GOD" only "speaks" to people who have already been psychologically indoctrinated to believe that he is real. Once that occurs, CONFIRMATION BIAS takes care of the rest.

Confirmation bias is the psychological tendency to only seek out explanations that confirm previously existing ideas. If a person has been previously indoctrinated to think that Yahweh is the one true god, he will then carry on his life attributing everything to this god. If a person has been indoctrinated with Krishna the Hindu God, he'll be attributing things to Krishna. So is the same for EVERY RELIGION THAT EXISTS OR HAS EVER EXISTED (4,000 and counting. and no, Christianity isn't even close to being the first). NO HINDU will ever tell you he talked to Yahweh, just like no Christian will ever tell you he heard Buddha speak to him.

It's all psychological manipulation and brainwashing - THAT is what keeps religion alive. Wake up.

I am truly sad to read this.

One of the worst aspects of religion is the disgusting and unnecessary divisiveness it causes between people who would otherwise be perfectly compatible. The deep brainwashing that religion requires to thrive makes people believe they truly can not be with a "non-(insert your favorite brand of dogma here)" and experience lasting love and happiness.

What they don't realize is that the ONLY difference between them and an atheist is that they've unquestioningly accepted lies disguised as truth, while the atheist has come to recognize the farce and call it what it is.

Every single feature that makes us human - our capacity to feel pain and joy, our desire for connection, our blood and veins and cellular machinery - is shared between a religious person and an atheist. The ONLY dividing agent here is stupid ideas that have persisted for far too long.

All I can say OP is that I'm genuinely sorry for your predicament. I'm sending compassion your way.

And to all the Christians in this thread basically shrugging and insinuating it's his fault, turn around and look at your "faith" and what it causes. Anything that thrives on division and "us vs. them" is very likely a LIE. Anything that has to be taken on faith rather than solid evidence is very likely a LIE. Anything that requires childhood indoctrination and brainwashing to succeed is very likely a LIE. You are happily watching relationships crumble over lies that you've been brainwashed with & have refused to examine critically. Clap for yourselves.

tempem:
Yeah..
But the sun, moon and the stars stays.. You met those things and you'll leave them here.
Be honest, do you find the thought that one day "you'll die" and interesting one?

Like the others have said, planets and stars also die (this is how planetary nebulas are made, extremely beautiful spectacles of stardust). And their atoms that disperse through the solar system after their death, eventually gather via gravity to form new planets and stars. And on it goes.

Existence is a beautiful cycle of matter and energy expressing in different forms over time. For me to be alive and even typing this here, in the 21st century no less, is a precious gift in itself. Of course like any human or living thing, I'd like to live long. But I humbly accept the reality that one day all the atoms that make up "me" will be dispersed into the earth, and eventually the universe, to form something else. I recognize how much of a priveledge it is to have even gotten the chance to live in the first place.

I think if such an appreciation can be developed (which is quite difficult when one still clinging to religious ideas of eternal life) death becomes far less daunting, and life is more appreciated & less taken for granted.

There is overwhelming geological, archaeological, & genetic evidence that supports the earth being 4.6 billion years old, and modern human beings having existed from around 200,000 years ago.