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timonski:
Lol. The Atheist believes in the great Void. That's beyond any fairytale.

Not sure what the great void refers to so I'm quite certain I don't believe in it. By the way, disbelief in a god or diety (especially one thats concerned with petty matters like our sex lives and whether or not we eat certain types of fish) does not disqualify belief in a higher energy of some kind, or a purpose beyond oneself (such as unifying and advancing humanity, a very noble cause that many atheists believe in. search, "humanism" ). Many practitioners of Buddhism are atheist. Atheism does not = emotionless droid.

Secondly, that didn't answer my question. Which person appears, from the information that I provided, more superstitious? The person who says "I won't believe in your god till I see proof for your god", or the person who believes that animals could once talk, giants roamed the earth, and humans are made of dirt?

I know you won't answer with anything but snide comments. But the answer is obviously clear.

KingEbukasBlog:
So you have accepted the rationality of the existence of a God right ?

The existence of the biblical god is irrational no matter how you spin it. But being open to the possibility of a god outside of all known doctrines is not necessarily irrational, no.

What makes specific gods irrational is the claims they make. Christianity makes unique claims about it's god that have not been validated consistently by outside sources and that have been invalidated by many independent sources. That's what makes the Christian god a myth. Same goes for the other thousands (or hundreds, whichever suits you) of gods.

If I say there could be a god, but make no claims about what he/she does, looks like, wants us to do, etc, then I'm not being irrational. If a scientist, me, or anyone else who does not believe in a god decided to one day say, "perhaps there is a god that got the big bang started then fell off the map", it would not add validity to any Christian doctrines, including the idea we are meant to worship or pray in the first place.

KingEbukasBlog:
You are the one who brought up claims that I was belittling you because you were female . And I insisted there is no proof you are .



I am an atheist to all gods but the Holy Trinity

Religion has debilitated the rationality of the existence of a creator of our material universe . Here is a rational " thought" : An eternal creator orchestrated the formation of the universe . There you go , refute it




Is ruling out a creator foolish since we know so little because of the vastness of our universe ? Can you give an honest answer ?

Did you skip over my entire second paragraph there?

Saying "there must be a creator" still doesn't prove that the Christian god of Abraham is that creator. There could be a god who doesn't care what humans do as long as we are all kind to eachother. There could be a god that simply set off the big bang, then stopped interfering from that point onwards so he could do other things. There could be a god who does not feel the need to be praised, and does not want to interfere in our lives. And if that's the case, then worship, prayer, and all other religious rituals would be unnecessary.

If I were to believe in a generic god untied to any religious dogma, that still would not discredit evolution, or make Christianity any more valid.

KingEbukasBlog:
There is still no proof .


I go to school in the US. Came here from Nigeria 3 years ago for university.

Here in the US, there are private Christian schools who teach creationism, and only briefly mention evolution, never giving a full, coherent explanation. Since Nigeria is even more religious than the US, is it so dramatic, as you claim, to assume that they are likely practicing similar twistings/belittling/watering down of evolution in order to allow sprace for Christian doctrines to prevail? Is that so much of a ridiculous thing to assume, given what's going on in schools even in the US where they have seperation of church and state?

Yes it is



If someone came to you now and told you Vishnu was the real God and all other gods were false, would you go and follow him? If not, then you are atheist towards Vishnu. You do not believe in Vishnu because you feel as though there is insufficient evidence for Vishu to exist. Atheists are of the stance that there is insufficient evidence for Vishu, OR the god of Abraham, OR the 4,000+ gods that have been worshipped throughout history. That's all there is to it. Just like you don't "hate" Vishnu, I do not "hate" the god of Abraham. I simply do not believe that he, or any of the other thousands of gods that have been proposed throughout humankind, exist.

THere are no 4 ,000 + gods instead there are 4,000 + religions . Some religions worship heroes and people who have lived past lives , some see elements/constituents of nature - earth , sun , rocks , tress - as gods . While very few have supernatural deities as gods . Men of old explained "abnormal" natural phenomena as the actions of gods - debunked through Science .

This post meant to be long but the summary is that an eternal creator exist . There is insufficient evidence about the formation of the universe - scientists knowing so little - and ruling out a creator is complete stu.pidity

There is still no proof .
There is no proof you aren't actually a white person, or a serial killer. What, do you expect me to post photos of myself on a public medium just so you can know I am a woman? I have no interest in doing that, so if you want to believe I'm a man, you can. I don't see how that changes anything though.

THere are no 4 ,000 + gods instead there are 4,000 + religions .
There are sources that claim there have been over 10,000 gods. Some sources say it's between 2,000 and 3,000. The lowest I've seen is in the 2,000's. But even if there were only 500, that still doesn't change the fact that to choose one and deny the other 499, would make you atheist towards those 499 gods. Self-proclaimed atheists only go one god further. Instead of picking 1 and disguarding 499, we disgard all 500.

scientists knowing so little - and ruling out a creator is complete stu.pidity
Scientists openly proclaim that their knowledge is limited. They do not claim to have all the answers. But the answers they have found, and are confident in, contradict the doctrines of almost all major religions. The only sensible choice would be to conclude that the gods of those specific religions do not exist, and were made up by innocently ignorant individuals from long ago, back when humans really didn't know much about the world around them.

A scientist can still say "maybe there is a god" - and many of them do say that. But they don't claim to know exactly what god that is, what he wants us to do, or whether he even wants to be worshipped. Saying "there must be a creator" still doesn't prove that the Christian god of Abraham is that creator. There could be a god who doesn't care what humans do as long as we are all kind to eachother. There could be a god that simply set off the big bang, then stopped interfering from that point onwards so he could do other things. There could be a god who does not feel the need to be praised, and does not want to interfere in our lives. And if that's the case, then worship, prayer, and all other religious rituals would be unnecessary.

KingEbukasBlog:
Christians are being misled by the theory . Even atheists here on Nairaland have distanced themselves from the theory due to obvious reasons . Old earth creationism , though with differing points , explains life on earth .

Can you list the "overwhelming " evidence for evolution ?

I am quite certain that the people you mention are not well-educated on evolution and have distanced themselves from it out of their own ignorance and/or frustration. And I understand that, because it takes time to learn it well. But something being difficult to understand doesn't give license to disregard it.

400,000 research papers each describing in deep detail morphological, genetic, and molecular findings in support of evolution are not enough? What about the phylogenic trees I posted earlier? Or the full National Geographic article on human evolution that I posted earlier? Or the lectures from Khan Academy? Have you looked at those yet?

KingEbukasBlog:
You can be a male with a female moniker for obvious reasons .

You dont study where I study and you are making false claims . Which valid source told you that Covenant University teaches evolution with religious bias ? Why did you make such claim ... huh ?

Evolution is a scientific theory and is handled the same way every university anywhere handles lectures on the theory . You dont prevaricate with so much audacity to deceive - that's what atheism does . Deception and lies , false accusations and claims , fo.olish assumptions - the bedrock of atheism

Well I am a female. I go to school in the US.

Here in the US, there are private Christian schools who teach creationism, and only briefly mention evolution, never giving a full, coherent explanation. Since Nigeria is even more religious than the US, is it so dramatic, as you claim, to assume that they are likely practicing similar twistings/belittling/watering down of evolution in order to allow sprace for Christian doctrines to prevail? Is that so much of a ridiculous thing to assume, given what's going on in schools even in the US where they have seperation of church and state?

A scientific Theory is a collection of explanations that describe facts. The Cell Theory is a theory that describes the fact that cells compose every living thing. The Germ Theory of Disease is the Theory that describes the fact that microbial organisms cause illnesses. The definition of theory in biological science and in layman's terms are different - this is a major source of confusion for many people.

In layman's terms, "theory" is simultaneous with "a good guess". In biology, a Theory is "a coherent group of propositions formulated to explain a group of facts or phenomena in the natural world and repeatedly confirmed through experiment or observation."

If someone came to you now and told you Vishnu was the real God and all other gods were false, would you go and follow him? If not, then you are atheist towards Vishnu. You do not believe in Vishnu because you feel as though there is insufficient evidence for Vishu to exist. Atheists are of the stance that there is no sufficient evidence for Vishu, OR the god of Abraham, OR the 4,000+ gods that have been worshipped throughout history. That's all there is to it. Just like you don't "hate" Vishnu, I do not "hate" the god of Abraham. I simply do not believe that he, or any of the other thousands of gods that have been proposed throughout humankind, exist.

KingEbukasBlog:
Mtcheew . Please go back to school .I cant be repeating the same thing all over again . Your hate for this "non-existent" God is clouding your sense of reasoning .

Evolution has been debunked all over and all over again . Its gets more hilarious when evolutionists now turn their backs on the theory when it became glaring that most holes in theory were patched with assumptions

I am in school currently. I have taken 7 biology courses so far, scored A's in most of them. But you don't care about that because all you want to do is belittle me and everything I am saying, even though I am being quite reasonable here, and at least attempting to be courteous.

First, you said evolution doesn't discredit god and then posted Christians who believe in evolution. Then, you said evolution is debunked. So which is it?

And how could evolution have been debunked when pubMed has over 400,000 peer-reviewed research papers on the topic, and the collection is growing every single day? Why would the pages I posted from Harvard, Princeton, and Cambridge still be up and running, if evolution was debunked as you say? Why would so many prestigious universities and research institutions still be teaching and funding it?

KingEbukasBlog:
You just made an odious assumption so you can wallow in your delusions ... right ? Religious teachings are not included as part of any courses' being taught/lectured in any University . WTF is wrong with you ?

Yes, I am the one who is delusional even though I am talking calmly and presenting valid sources, while you are namecalling, yelling, and trying to belittle me for being a woman.

That makes sense.

KingEbukasBlog:
This is why you continue remaining an idiot . I've clearly told you that evolution does not rule out God . If you wish to take it allegorically then you are mostly likely to be a theistic evolutionist . What is your problem this girl Eh ?

Evolution ! Evolution !! most of these BS you are disturbing everyone with have been dealt well with in the past by christian scientists on Nairaland . There are top christians like Ineqor , KoloOyinbo etc who are theistic evolutionists . WHat do you wish to achieve with such emptiness

Evolution rules out the god of Genesis. The god that said "let there be light". Is that not the god you worship? It also rules out any god that claims it created animal species all at once, because that is not possible within the evolutionary model. Kindly take a look at the diagrams I posted above.

Christian scientists are biased towards Christianity. Being a Christian and claiming that you accept evolution only means that you are good at fragmenting your brain. The God of Yahweh, who took Adam's rib to make Eve, could not possibly exist with evolution, because in evolution, there were no Adam & Eve. No first two humans. The entire race of modern humans are the progeny of a previous species of more ape-like humans. The Adam and Eve story can not fit into that picture.

KingEbukasBlog:
When I said atheists know absolutely nothing or very little about Christianity and God they thought I was lying . Just negodu what someone posted . Just imagine the ludicrousness .

The bible doesn't say any of what I posted there?

KingEbukasBlog:
You are a complete idiot

Explain how any of what is contained in that post makes me an idiot. Tell me, how I am an idiot for saying that a religious source teaching evolution, a topic that is clearly controversial in the religious sphere - is very likely to be biased. Please explain how that is a stupid or untrue statement. Thanks.

Here is an excerpt from the National Geographic page I posted, since it is very likely that neither of you will click on it.

"Why are scientists certain that human evolution happened?
For a number of reasons. We share nearly 99 percent of our genetic sequence with chimpanzees and bonobos, which strongly suggests we share a common ancestor. And there are thousands of fossils documenting progressively more human-like species in the evolution of our lineage after it split from the other great apes and later from chimps and bonobos.

Biologists have actually observed evolution happening in other species, both in the field and in the lab—the recent emergence of antibiotic-resistant microbes is a form of evolution. And animal breeders make evolution happen all the time—think of the tremendous variety of dog breeds that have been created from wolves.

Is evolution at odds with the Bible?
Yes, if you think the Bible has to be interpreted literally. Evolution contradicts the Genesis story that God created all organisms in their present form. But you can believe in God without believing that the Bible is literally true."

KingEbukasBlog:
This fool , you just went to each website and typed 'evolution' in the search box and pasted articles' links . Even my school - a christian university , Covenant University - teaches or lectures students on evolution

If a Christian school is teaches evolution, their version of it is likely butchered, censored to leave room for biblical explanations, and extremely biased. There is no way a Nigerian Christian school is teaching real evolution. Especially since you and winner have both said several things that no valid source on evolution has ever claimed, like life appearing from thin air.

winner01:
Life appeared from thin air and began to evolve and it makes sense. Great logic.

Shows how reasonably effective you are when it comes to probing claims. You only felt to spare this one the trouble of shaking its foundations.
Not a single inconsistency? , This is what you get when you close your mind to possibilities.
Cell complexity, creation of information, biological diversity, the human conscience amongst others are part of the inconsistencies that rocks the world of darwinism.
Either you are blind to its inconsistencies or you select your online sites to only read what you wanna read.
Why not lets bring your whole argument to dust. what did life itself evolve from, or do you pick what you choose to believe from the pheripheral.
And please stop forming darwin with such arrogant infinite knowledge, Have you even ever been to a lab?

To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias


Im suggesting that those are the same people who passed lies as facts in the past century.
There is a huge difference between formal and informal education.
You could use your son as a sample, he could make a great scientist from google, maybe then you'll understand what i mean.

Or maybe you thought those scientists from the links you posted, got their degrees from google.


All these google students sef.

Im not derailing anything gal. This is the first and big question any sane or bright mind would ask.
Where did life come from to start evolving.

Tell us what the science community has to say since you seem to be a superficial online affiliate.
Lets see how much sense you can make even with google at your service.

Life appeared from thin air and began to evolve and it makes sense. Great logic.
What book, article, documentary, or other trustworthy resource on evolution has made the claim that life appeared from thin air? Please direct me to it.

Cell complexity, creation of information, biological diversity, the human conscience amongst others are part of the inconsistencies that rocks the world of darwinism.
Those all sound like things that evolution has covered extensively, actually.
Here's a research paper on cell complexity and evolution that took me less than 5 seconds to find, although you probably won't read it because it's from the internet and apparently the internet has no useful information on it, except the Christian sites of course.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC341170/pdf/nar00301-0303.pdf

Biological diversity is probably the cornerstone of evolution, its the number one thing that evolution explains most eloquently. It's the entire basis for evolution.
"Evolution Accounts for the Unity and Diversity of Life"
https://evolutionary.patrickhebron.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/branch-trace-diagram_lg.gif
https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51y5fxR7btL.jpg

The fact that you don't know that tells me that you probably have not properly learned what evolution is. Because if you had, you would not have made that statement. If you want to actually learn about evolution, click the links I have referred to you in earlier posts. If you want to ignore them, you can do that too. But don't claim you know what evolution is when you don't.

Also, google is not a resource in itself. It is a search engine. Searching something on google does not automatically make it invalid. The validity or invalidity of a source found via google is completely dependent on the nature of the website itself. I have not posted any unsubstantiated sources on here so far, so can we please stop talking about how using google to find sources somehow makes someone unintelligent? Thanks.

KingEbukasBlog:
This fool , you just went to each website and typed 'evolution' in the search box and pasted articles' links .

Yes, I did. How else would I have gone about finding those links? Am I supposed to have memorized the URL's in my head?

Is there another way to access information online & share it, other than typing it into a search bar and copying the link? If so, please inform me on these methods.

Richirich713:
Lol atheists and their fairy tales.

Hey Richi, let me ask you an honest question here.

A typical atheist might say, "There have been over 4,000 gods throughout human history, but not one of them seems to have any consistent evidence, and many of them contradict eachother and make claims that sound very unrealistic. So until I see solid evidence for any one of those gods, I won't believe in one."

A Christian might say, "I believe that the God of Abraham created everything. I know this because I have faith in the holy book, which also says that snakes and donkeys have talked to humans before, a human has survived in the belly of a sea creature despite their highly acidic stomachs, a human woman was formed by the rib of a man even though bones do not contain most of the compounds needed to form a complete human, a baby was born from a woman who's egg was not fertilized, and angels come down from the heavens and talk to people. I have never seen these things happen but I know they are real because the bible says it is so. Also I know that the other 3,999 gods are all fake and mine is real, because the bible says so and I feel it in my heart."

If you were an objective observer - not Christian, not Atheist, just an impartial onlooker, which person would seem more like they believed in fairy tales? Which person would appear more superstitious to you? Please answer that. Thanks.

winner01:
How many of those scientists bagged their degrees from the internet, dolt?

Go to school if you really care about science.

1. When did I ever claim that scientists got their degrees from the internet? Please show me where I said that.

2. Why are you so set on convincing yourself that the internet is an empty void with nothing to learn from - when clearly that isn't the case? There are thousands of reputable sources online - backed by highly acclaimed institutions, that provide accurate, independently supported knowledge on evolution for anyone who is willing to learn. Here are some more, since you ignored the other ones I posted:

Khan Academy
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/biology/her/evolution-and-natural-selection/v/introduction-to-evolution-and-natural-selection

McGraw Hill
http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/ecologyevolution/

Campbell Biology Online Course
http://www.pearsonmylabandmastering.com/northamerica/masteringbiology/

National Geographic
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/09/human-evolution-101/

Why are you set on pretending valuable information doesn't exist on the internet when millions of people successfully use the internet every day to aid in their schooling, or even to learn independently? Are you unaware of how to tell a trustworthy online source from an untrustworthy online source?

3. Do you genuinely think that Harvard, Princeton, Pubmed, and the other sites I listed are not valid sources of information? If so, why aren't they? Why would the top schools in the world be spreading false information? Why would the most widely used medical journal allow falsehoods and lies onto their database? Please answer those questions.

4. I'm in university right now. I have studied biology - evolutionary biology, microbiology, and intro biology. Hence why I posted the biology textbook links, which I have used, and which all cover evolution extensively. But you ignored those books. Why did you ignore them? Answer that please. Thanks.

KingEbukasBlog:
Wikipedia is a fallible source by the way .

No it isn't, not when there are footnotes to confirm the sources, which I referred you to but you ignored. Did you click on the footnotes? Yes or no? If no, why didn't you?

I also referred you to several top universities, which all invest millions researching and teaching evolution. Why didn't you address those?

I also showed you a 400,000+ collection of medical journals all covering evolution research. Why did you ignore those?

SirWere:
Beautiful, beautiful! I don't honestly know what the theist wants; a complete evolutionary tree

What boggles my brain is the outrageously high standards they set for scientific evidence, in contrast to the virtually nonexistent standards they seem to require for biblical evidence. "The bible says so" is enough for them when it comes to Christianity, but thousands of coherent fossils, genetic data, and hundreds of thousands of independently supported research papers aren't enough when it comes to evolution.

Great thread, OP. Couldn't have addressed this point any better.

dalaman:
Stop belittling the internet and Google. There is more knowledge to be found and gained on the internet than all the Nigerian universities put together and I seriously mean it.

This is also very true.

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro . Ive told cloudgoddess before that most if not all the atheists here learn from articles obtained from the internet . They are quintessences of people who obtain spurious knowledge about just anything - evidently , as they believe in "proven" godless "science" theories

I've been using the internet for too too long and I can tell you that most articles are opinions of people . Me , Ive got a blog , and if I want to prove that Obama is not the US president - obviously a lie - I can write BS and publish it . Someone curious about conspiracy theory will look it up , find my blog and get brainwashed with lies purported as truth .

Your blog would not be a reputable source. The sources I get my information on evolution from, are. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

Here is the web page for evolutionary biology at Princeton, the number 6 most prestigious university in the world:
http://molbio.princeton.edu/faculty/research/evolution

Here is Harvard's page (#1 university in the world):
http://www.oeb.harvard.edu/

Here is the University of Cambridge (#5 most prestigious university in the world, most prestigious in the UK):
http://www.human-evol.cam.ac.uk/

Here is the pubmed page, a collection of over 400,000 peer-reviewed research writeups on discoveries & experiments supporting evolution:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=evolution

Just a few textbooks I have personally used in school, by the most widely referenced publishers in the US that cover evolution extensively:
http://www.amazon.com/Campbell-Biology-10th-Edition-Reece/dp/0321775651
http://www.amazon.com/Microbiology-An-Introduction-12th-Edition/dp/0321929152/ref=zg_bs_226688_5
http://www.amazon.com/Microbiology-Evolving-Science-Second-Edition/dp/0393934470

But according to you, Harvard, Cambridge, Princeton, the other hundreds of distinguished universities that teach & research evolution, and the most reputable scientific journals and textbooks that exist, are all investing millions of dollars in spreading unsupported lies. I am so glad you brought that to my attention so I can delete all of their pages from my bookmarks and burn those textbooks.

Idiot.

KingEbukasBlog:
You spew BS with confidence . Please can you state articles , credible sources from which you got the above statement .

"An overwhelming majority of the scientific community accepts evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity.[1][2] Nearly every scientific society, representing hundreds of thousands of scientists, has issued statements rejecting intelligent design[2] and a petition supporting the teaching of evolutionary biology was endorsed by 72 US Nobel Prize winners.[3] Additionally, US courts have ruled in favor of teaching evolution in science classrooms, and against teaching creationism, in numerous cases such as Edwards v. Aguillard, Hendren v. Campbell, McLean v. Arkansas and Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution

If you want the original sources, they are footnoted in the Wiki article.

unphilaz:
But if you should ever have a terminal illness and you have visited all the hospitals both home and away... pm me so that i can use you as sample to find out how prayer have failed... biko

"The American Heart Journal has published the best (as in largest and methodologically most accurate) study so far of the effect of intercessory prayer, and it has shown – as any sensible person would have known before spending $2.4 million and a decade to actually do the study – prayer fails to make any difference whatsoever.

The study was conducted by a team led by Harvard Medical School cardiologist Herbert Benson, who is sympathetic to the idea that prayer has healing effects, and funded in large part by the Templeton Foundation, an organization devoted to the scientific improvement of our understanding of spirituality (whatever that latter phrase may mean).

Benson’s group studied 1,802 patients undergoing coronary bypass, divided into three groups: patients who were prayed for (by three different type of congregations) and knew it, people who were prayed for but did not know whether that was the case, and a group who was not prayed for. The results? 59% of the patients in the first group were affected by post-operative complications, as opposed to 51% of the second group; moreover, 18% of people prayed for suffered serious complications, against 13% of the non-prayed for group. Such differences were not statistically significant, and at any rate they would go against the hypothesis: if anything, being prayed for, or knowing you are being prayed for, makes things slightly worse! (As Jon Stewart pointed out, the real troublesome finding here is that more than half of the patients had complications, no matter what group they were assigned to...)"

http://rationallyspeaking..com/2006/04/nothing-fails-like-prayer.html

winner01:
It occured in your lab.
Scientist.

That was dumb but you get a pat on the back for trying

You do love dodging questions with irrelevant remarks though so I don't think I'll respond to you anymore. It's getting a bit annoying.

Jeromejnr:
You have no idea what faith means.

BTW, make sure to feed The starving children close to you.

Lose yourself! Peace!

Thanks for running away when you don't have answers, just proved my point more

This BS story has already been disproved by Snopes years ago.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/wellhell.asp

Jeromejnr:
Learn to comprehend messages that are being passed across to you.

English is the easiest language to understand.

The message simply stated, Faith is a condition to getting your expectations met by the Lord. But if you don't fulfill that condition, then don't bother expecting anything.

And BTW, where did atheists come up with the idea that God is obligated to alleviate the sufferings in the world, the sufferings that millions of children are experiencing?

How do u even know His nature? How did they come up with the concept that God is suppose to love?

With all the greed and selfishness in the world and our capacity to completely wipe away poverty from the earth, we don't do that, we sit in out homes gossip on social media, watch TV, go to the cinemas, and you expect God to come down and alleviate the poverty.

The message simply stated, Faith is a condition to getting your expectations met by the Lord. But if you don't fulfill that condition, then don't bother expecting anything.
So... the millions of kids dying don't have enough faith then?


And BTW, where did atheists come up with the idea that God is obligated to alleviate the sufferings in the world, the sufferings that millions of children are experiencing?
You just claimed that having faith is required for god to grant your expectations... is wanting to be alive, and, i don't know, NOT STARVING TO DEATH too much to expect from god?

winner01:
Who are you referring to @bolded, by chance i hope its not scentists. There is no need to side with science in a bid to gain relevance, atheism is not science.

Science is open to possibilities,
Atheism has closed your mind to the possibility that a super intelligent Being created this wonderful universe.

By "we" I was referring to everyone who does not believe in dieties, everyone who does not subscribe to 2,000 year old myths, everyone who identifies as non-religious.

No one claimed atheism was science, stop putting words and assumptions in peoples mouths. Atheism is a LACK OF BELIEF IN GODS BASED ON LACK OF SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE. you are atheist to shinto gods aren't you? you are atheist to zeus and the loch ness monster aren't you? why don't you believe in those things? tell me why you aren't praying to shinto gods right now?

what if i believed a unicorn larger than any unicorn ever imagined created the universe by a flick of its horn? would you respect me more then, since i'd be more "open to beliefs in super intelligent beings"? so unreal that you consider it a positive character trait to believe in things based on faulty/or complete lack of evidence. unreal.

winner01:
What if (and surely) stronger evidences are produced just as was produced in the past to refute the infinite universe claim initially accepted by the science community?
Would you then admit that science lied?

Dont show me pages, get formal education or even webinars or online lectures and open your mind to reality.

You mind telling us what the science community has concluded on, regarding the existence of life itself?

OF COURSE I WOULD. but YOU would not. because there is already information proving that the biblical stories are false, yet you still cling to them. you are the one determined to believe in something, not me. i came to accept evolution because it MADE SENSE. not because it "felt good" and not because my pastor or parents preached it to me.

It's been over 150 years since darwin's time and not a single inconsistency has been found to disprove evolution. every bit of biological evidence, every species we see today, every bacterial mutation we observe in the lab, CONFIRMS that evolution is a real thing that is happening all the time and that has been happening since life began on earth. If a scientist found evidence that disproved it, he would be a millionaire, and scientists would have NO CHOICE but to change their minds.

But no such person has come into being in the last 150 years. No such discovery has been made yet. The only logical conclusion to make then is that evolution stands as true until evidence comes along that trumps the million-ton pile of evidence currently existence for evolution.

Dont show me pages, get formal education or even webinars or online lectures and open your mind to reality.
This doesn't make any damn sense. How is reading an article or research paper different from listening to a lecture? And are you suggesting that there aren't lectures from the same sources I listed (harvard, cambridge, & princeton professors) teaching evolution? What the hell?

You mind telling us what the science community has concluded on, regarding the existence of life itself?
What are you talking about and why are you trying to derail the conversation again?

winner01:
You need to open your mind. The long and short of your epistle is "Why are people suffering". Thats what you mean by why are some people more blessed than others.
Im just shortening your journey.

My answer for the umpteenth time; This is life, and its not fair neither did God promise us it would be.

Jesus stated it clearly: " In this world you will pass through suffering, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world"

And that was and is still my answer;God never promised a world free of suffering, He only promised to walk with us through thick and thin if we trust in Him.

So do you have a better explanation of lifes unfairness?

The long and short of your epistle is "Why are people suffering".
No it is not. Stop trying to dodge my question. My question is why is god picking favorites. Why arent all of his followers "blessed". By the way, god does promise blessings to his followers so either you're cherrypicking the bible or you're misinformed (i assume its the former).
Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the plans I have for you,” says the Lord. “They are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope.

Proverbs 1:33
But all who listen to me will live in peace,
untroubled by fear of harm.”

Philippians 4:19
19 And my God will meet all your needs according to his glorious riches in Christ Jesus.

Just a few among many such verses.

why are some people more blessed than others.
i am falling down dead because i haven't had a morsel of food in many months while pastor joseph just bought a ferrari because his gullible congregants (i mean "god" has blessed him with that luxury. to say pastor is just "more blessed" than me is a huge understatement.

winner01:
Science get things wrong and corrects itself to allign with the scriptures.

when the hell has that ever occured other than in your dreams

Jeromejnr:
Glad you did your homework.

Behold!

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noun (plural cults)

Cult: A group of people with a religious, philosophical or cultural identity sometimes viewed as a sect, often existing on the margins of society or exploitative towards its members.

Nice try too.

How is lack of belief in god exploitative towards its members? We're not the ones asking for a chunk of peoples' salary every week so we can buy ferrari.