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orunto27:
God made them all male and female. And when Adam and Eve shouted Hurray, we can see, create and bleep on, all other animals were watching. There and then, Eve distributed and scattered the forbidden apples aground for other animals to pick. The Curse of God was on all who ate the apple, so other animals are not exempt.

TrajansKong:

DMLords:
I want to agree with you on that point but I find plenty of evidence that nullifies that theory.

South Korea is extremely successful and still extremely religious. In the same manner, Europe and the US prospered while under the burden of religion.

I think a satisfied man is quicker to dismiss religion than a broke one. So, if you want to free people from the "chains" of religion, we need to make them comfortable.

In another note, I find the "build and purchase" business model proposed by ymodulus as a good tool for spreading your faith- Christian, Muslim or atheist. If you build a business for somebody, you will have a certain influence on that person and through that influence,you can promulgate your beliefs and hopefully, catch a convert.

Please note, that this is not an effort to drag you into an argument. I am just more focus on healing our society than a person's beliefs. If people are well fed, clothed, warm with a secured future, they will care less about what goes on in heaven and in hell.

Religious indoctrination is real. It is a traditionally-based process of all cultures. Its power is such that peoples so affected have a ‘belief’ they have chosen their particular ‘faith’ above the many on offer throughout the planet.

All religions work on the principle of exposing each new generation to a single worldview, to the exclusion of all others, in a repetitious and authorative manner. Doubts, as to the veracity of such ‘teachings’, are not encouraged, indeed, are not tolerated.

Once learned, the information so gained is retained for life, allowing it to take on an instinctive mantle in later years. As with all acquired knowledge, such as learning to ride a bicycle or rote remembrance of mathematical time’s tables, once taught, unlearning is not an easy option.

This is not to say that the results of such methodology are not practically overcome-able.

Youthful brains soak up information with little effort, establishing permanent neuronic pathways. Older brains require considerably more effort to alter this situation. There are many Atheists to attest to this. In fact, it is the rule rather than the rarity that most Atheists were raised from infancy under some religious regime or other. Even the most intense religious indoctrination can be overcome.

Antiparticle:
To anyone reading this thread and wants to understand why winner01's argument that "religious minds have been more productive than atheistic minds" is a weak & fallacious point, here it goes:

Religion was psychologically soothing when humans had little knowledge about the mechanisms behind the workings of nature, and as a result most humans historically were religious. Scientists, mad men, murderers, good people, bad people, etc in Western Europe were almost all associated with the church because they either truly believed in the Christian god or they were culturally Christian.

Back in those days, I probably too would have been Christian because we (humanity) didn't at the time have enough information and freedom to debunk the Bible's claims. Now we know that Adam and Eve are invented stories (see evolution). Now we know that the resurrection story, virgin birth, miracle claims, and more are complete bullshiit. We now know that nature fundamentally is well ordered and can be rationally described mathematically. This is why a much smaller fraction of scientists today are Christian than four centuries ago.

As a matter of fact most of western Europe today is majority unreligious! A majority! Also, a large fraction of Silicon Valley engineers and innovators are straight up atheists. Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook) is atheist. Sergey Brin (Google) is not religious. Bill Gates (Microsoft) is not religious. Our own Seun Osewa (Nairaland) is atheist. As a matter of fact, according to the Pew Research Center, a much smaller fraction of American scientists believe in god/gods compared to the general public! The Pew Research Center is a credible polling organization, as opposed to the random cherry-picked Facebook posts that @winner01 keeps copy and pasting. I am a physicist/engineer and I live in a western country, and it is the rare exception to meet a religious person at the researcher level in the pure sciences (such as physics, evolutionary biology, etc).

The more scientifically advanced a country becomes, the less theistic it becomes. This is why the west has gotten more irreligious over the past century. This is inarguable fact. @winner01's correlations about the religion of medieval age scientists is just what it is, correlation without causality. I can come up with outrageous correlations associating religious people to mass murder (and there's a whole lot of proof for this), hypocrisy, and obstructionism towards science but there's no point doing this. What matters is that his religion is false and he can't defend it so he has to resort to ad hominem attacks and weak correlational arguments.

@winner01 says I should tell everyone why I need people to not believe in God, well he is Exhibit A for the damaging effects of religion. Religion makes it difficult to distinguish fantasy from reality. Religion dulls rational thinking. Certain Christian ideologies promote discrimination and hate (e.g. homophobia towards gay people, racism towards arabs, prejudice against people of other religions, slavery, etc). Christianity causes people to waste their time on ineffective activities (praying & fasting, sowing seed offerings which is a total scam, wasting intellectual capital twisting science to fit the Bible, etc). @winner01 is probably an otherwise talented individual, but with Christianity he has to expend intellectual capital twisting reality to fit the fantasy of the Bible.

In short, theism is an anachronism that is past its expiry date. That scientists today are significantly less religious (given that we now know a lot more about the universe) than they were in the archaic Middle Ages shows the fatal flaw in @winner01's logic and arguments.

Seun:
Another alternate reality:

And [God] said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”

The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

"It's my fault", said the Lord God. "I shouldn't have given the serpent the power of speech. And for what purpose did I even create that tree?"

Basalt:
My dear evolution is full of lies.
When I was in school, I had to write what I was taught because I was interested in marks.
When I was in University, I was also taught about fossil and the law of uniformitarianisn and all other nonsense but I actually paid attention because I needed not to fail, but deep inside me I was laughing at their lies.

Basalt:
My brother you just ended up not answering my question.

And yes, Evolution is bulshit and does not make any sense.

Evolution tells you that you came out from apes but your logical sense will tell you that if actually we originated from apes, then what happens to other apes Now?
What stops them from Evolving into human beings .

What stops a men from evolving into Angels or has The false story of evolution ended


Please somebody should answer these three questions.
All I see here is people beating around the bush

oyeludef:
Before i talk about walking in the fullness of God presence,i will like to talk about the parts of man.
Man is a three partite being made up of the Spirit, the soul and the body. These three parts of man dwell and operates in deparate realms. The Body gives us world consciousness(our immediate earthly environment), the soul gives us self counsciousness(our intellect,ability,disability etc) while our Spirit gives us God consciousness. Of the three parts of man,the Spirit is most important as it is d only link we have to God.

... Whateva we are collecting from God through prayer is done by the spirit and channeled to the right place e.g health for the body. Let me explain, the bible says Jesus bore our sickness and disease right?but even on the cross Jesus was never sick or diseased that is because He never bore it on His body. God forsook Him on the cross cos of the Load of sin,sickness,poverty, death he bore in His spirit. d spirit.

sonofthunder:
can you prove the opposite?

Dejideji1:
Your understanding of the scripture is very very shallow. you are reading the Bible like your conventional textbooks. Well let me tell you something you may not know, the word of God is filled with riddles so it requires understanding for proper interpretation. Why do you think most men of God say we should pray for understanding of the word of God?

To further buttress my point, if you read through the new testaments you will notice that Jesus spoke in parables and most times he had to explain what he meant when his disciples couldn't understand. So bro the word of God is filled with riddles, it's not straight forward like your textbooks.

omoelu1:
Well, the imam can't tell an objective person what his god is doing at the moment, but I can authoritatively tell you, it is taking a nap

omoelu1:
Yes, I'm human but very different from every other.
Someway somehow, I was able to tune in unto God's frequency, and I am now his mouthpiece.
For you to be sure of what I'm saying, I can even tell you what he's doing at the moment.... He's taking a nap

Ranchhoddas:
You claim to have peace and calm but you are always fighting demons and shouting die by fire in your night vigils.

Lucario007:
I know I will get flamed for this, but yes. I believe Christianity is a selfish religion. Think about it, if you honestly and truthfully knew that there were no heaven or if there was no hell, do you really think there would still be Christians?

People turn to religion because they fear damnation, Africans are so deeply rooted in spiritualism that we believe there is a great evil coming after us, we believe that there is the dark side of the force filled with the devil and his demons and their agents, and that there is the light side filled with God and his angels.
To us, God is the good guy promising eternal life and happiness, and the devil is the villain who doesn't want us to achieve it. So they join God's army, believing in him, praying, and hoping that all their deeds on earth will help in sowing their seeds for eternal enjoyment when they die.
Do you really think your pastor TRULY cares about you as a person? Hell no. In his mind, he is converting you to Christianity as a token, as a price he is paying, he has 'won a soul' not because he cares about you, but because he believes he is guaranteeing himself a nice comfy mansion in heaven.
Let's face it people, deep down to the roots, Christianity and basically all religions are selfish because all everyone cares about is getting themselves to heaven so they do not suffer hell.

omoelu1:
Oooooooh God.. Why do you people keep misinterpreting shit.
The long life been talked about is not on this earth but in the afterlife.
Remember, God does not operate on the same frequency as we humans, therefore we can't understand how he/she/it works.

urahara:
Has anyone ever wonder why we know quite much on the progression from ardipithecus to the homo sapiens but no information is known on the evolutionary history of chimpanzees for 6 million years

urahara:
Cloudgodess making me proud since 10 bc.


You have still not answered my question on johnnies thread

ettaetta:
lol i take it that you ran out of ideas and dont know what to answer thats why you said stupid question. Well I have my reason for asking which is, i want to know about what you believe as an Atheist

ettaetta:
but i have heard many athetst saying they belive in evolution. Now tell me

what then do you believe in?

Dejideji1:
@ donnffd and other atheist, answer this question below..
I know you believe that life originated by chance, meaning the occurrence of random events bringing non living matter together to form life? If it's as easy as this then why as any scientist not been able to recreate this in the lab? Why is it that it's only life that begets life? Even in cloning, a living cell is required.
*I doubt if anyone of you will be able to give a reasonable answer to that question.*

crusadistic:
Yes,atheists think they are wise....but is it not still the same hell they going to with pagans and Muslims

Joagbaje:
Because Christianity is based on the new testament. It's as simple as that.

2 Corinthians 3:14
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

thesicilian:
Many of them don't actually hate God. They just decided to shut out God because of something bad that may have happened before in their lives. Maybe they prayed for something hard and at the end it didn't come to pass the way they wanted, so they get angry and blame God. Or pretend He doesn't exist. But they know he exists. They just don't want to agree to it.

UncleSnr:
You will burn also. Don't just think of enjoying eternal bliss in heaven.

mrZENographer:



We know this is coming because it has been prophesied in the scripture. But so is your damnation that you have chosen. Christianity will be certainly be abolished by the antichrist and the ungodly will enjoy their freedom for only 7 years. Hahahahahahahaàaaaa. 7 years
After which the Lord Jesus with thousands of his saints will come from heaven and cast the antichrist alive into the lake of fire. And we shall rule the ungodly with a rod of iron. Has it not been prophesied, it is coming to pass. Enjoy for a season I. e 7years antichrist reign, then hide your shame forever.


[b]We know this is coming because it has been prophesied in the scripture. [/b]But so is your damnation that you have chosen. Christianity will be certainly be abolished by the antichrist and the ungodly will enjoy their freedom for only 7 years. Hahahahahahahaàaaaa. 7 years
After which the Lord Jesus with thousands of his saints will come from heaven and cast the antichrist alive into the lake of fire. And we shall rule the ungodly with a rod of iron. Has it not been prophesied, it is coming to pass. Enjoy for a season I. e 7years antichrist reign, then hide your shame forever.



THE HOPE OF THE BELIEVERS IN CHRIST IS GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER.. HALLELUYAAAAAH.

mrZENographer:
[b]They don't have even one proof. [/b]All they can do is make jests and exaggerations of the word of God and boast about fallible repentant science.

Vick4rill:
if he doesnt exist u wont ve bothered to replied this thread.. seriously u guys should stop this hate on God. cus no matter what happend he will always ve billion fellowers who serves him. nw my question to u atheist is why are u people so eager to prove to us that jesus and God does nt exist? why do u waste ur time, m.b and knowledge to prove the non existance of sumtin, that u knw will never be agree upon?