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Jeromejnr:
Simple Answer:

Heb 11:6- But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

James 1: 5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

"For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord."
So then why did OP think he recieved something from the lord?

"Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him."
isn't this a direct contradiction? if we cant expect anything from the lord than why would we expect to be saved from sickness? and obviously the millions of children dying aren't being saved from their sickness.

winner01:
In the 19th-20th century, all available evidence pointed to the facts of an "infinte universe" with no begining. Majority of the world renowned scientists reached this consensus and passed it on as facts, articles were written and approved.
We know better today.
You need to understand what a theory is before you start saying some people reached a concensus.
More mind blowing discoveries will rubbish the discoveries of today in the nearest future no matter todays agreement.

Its why Sir Ambrose flemming said ; All scientific findings seem to be made only for the purpose of confirming more and more the truth contained in the scriptires.

Why not keep your minds open, atheist

I can decide to compound your woes by asking you how life itself began before it evolved, then you can go to your sites and copy abiogenesis for me and then we can have a good laugh.

The more you look, the less you see. Its our world. A perfectly designed world, not just the product of a completely random chaotic explosion magically rearranging things into order like the atheist believes.

not the theory argument again. sigh. an excerpt from berkley explaining the meaning of a SCIENTIFIC theory:
"Occasionally, scientific ideas (such as biological evolution) are written off with the putdown "it's just a theory." This slur is misleading and conflates two separate meanings of the word theory: in common usage, the word theory means just a hunch, but in science, a theory is a powerful explanation for a broad set of observations. To be accepted by the scientific community, a theory (in the scientific sense of the word) must be strongly supported by many different lines of evidence. So biological evolution is a theory (it is a well-supported, widely accepted, and powerful explanation for the diversity of life on Earth), but it is not "just" a theory.

Words with both technical and everyday meanings often cause confusion. Even scientists sometimes use the word theory when they really mean hypothesis or even just a hunch. Many technical fields have similar vocabulary problems — for example, both the terms work in physics and ego in psychology have specific meanings in their technical fields that differ from their common uses. However, context and a little background knowledge are usually sufficient to figure out which meaning is intended."

Here is the web page for evolutionary biology at Princeton, the number 6 most prestigious university in the world:
http://molbio.princeton.edu/faculty/research/evolution

Here is Harvard's page (#1 university in the world):
http://www.oeb.harvard.edu/

Here is the University of Cambridge (#5 most prestigious university in the world):
http://www.human-evol.cam.ac.uk/

Here is the pubmed page, a collection of over 400,000 peer-reviewed research writeups on discoveries & experiments supporting evolution:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=evolution

Have fun telling all those people they are liars and all of their findings are false

winner01:
You are refusing to see my answer.

"God never promised a world free of suffering, He only promised to walk with us through thick and thin if we trust in Him."

God never promised a world free of hunger, poverty, pain or anything. The children and other people alike are victims of a fallen world. Look, you or anybody didnt choose to be created, but you can choose to live and have life or blame all you want.
I wonder why you dont blame life for existing since you believe there is no God.

As for people who are suffering, We can help them to prosper, be in good health and offer them soul prosperity. You can rise and help them rise.

wow. you still did not answer me. i am not asking you why there is pain in the world.

i am simply asking you this: WHY IS GOD BLESSING SOME PEOPLE AND NOT OTHERS. why are some people PROSPERING and other innocent people PERISHING even though they too are praying. WHY IS GOD ONLY CHOOSING TO BLESS SOME PEOPLE. HOW DOES HE CHOOSE WHO HE WANTS TO "BLESS" AND WHO HE WANTS TO LEAVE HANGING.

I don't think you're going to answer me directly no matter how many times I type it.

Jeromejnr:
Fret not O faithless one!

Deluded, deluded! Everyone claims to not be deluded. So who's right?

Btw, Cult just means a group that shares a belief. So yea we are all cult members. Everyone in d world belongs to a cult. Including u.

"cult
kəlt/\
noun
a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
formal religious veneration : worship
a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents"

yeah, no. nice try though.

winner01:
Lol, unlike most people here, im just starting my Phd.
I dont get facts from google or the internet.
Its what you people do and then you call yourselves scientists overnight.
A guy who hasnt even gained admission to uni. was calling himself a scientist simply because he copies articles from science sites and post them on nairaland science section

You were quick to let me know the possible places i can get facts, just like you usually do. As a matter of fact google will give you anything you seek..
You may try to type " obama is satan" and see what im saying.


kingebukasblog, see what ive been telling you.
Most of these people are internet bred students and dont even have the slightest formal education on science or philosophy

sigh. you are just making up crap. 99% of biologists worldwide have already reached a concensus on evolution. WORLD WIDE. search "evolution" on pubmed and you will see thousands of independent studies from chinese, german, american, japanese scientists, supporting evolution. but you won't search it up because you are so determined to believe the false world you have created for yourself. okay, keep doing that. but stop spouting lies, its so frustrating, and an insult to the people around the world who study this stuff every day.

and no we do not trust everything on the internet. there is such a thing as reputable sources. pubmed, websites from reknowned universities like harvard and princeton, national geographic, etc - these are reputable sources that all contain information in full support of evolution. or do you think they are all liars?

you dont have to be a professional scientist to understand evolution (or any topic for that matter) and for you to assume that shows how childish your way of thinking is. anyone can go to a library or look at trustworthy online sources for information, and learn things. maybe you should try it some time.

"Despite the overwhelming acceptance of evolution among scientists, and despite evolution’s
centrality to modern biology education, virtually all national polls indicate that a strikingly large
proportion of North Americans reject evolution, indicating a great disconnect between the scientific
community and the largely dissenting and apparently under-informed, or misinformed, public"

excerpt from a research paper by a university of syracruse student. you can substitute north americans for nigerians of course.

timonski:
Snakes do not talk. Donkeys don't talk..yes. But the bible only portrayed them as supernatural events.
It seems you demon-possessed atheists keep rehashing same ol' bullshit.
My guy, the bible is the most complete book of all time; it has no scientific error/contradiction. Chew on that!

demon-possessed atheists, huh?

tell that to bill gates, b.f. skinner (the father of behavioral psychology), the other hundreds of atheists philosophers, scientists, inventors & innovators, and 50% of the chinese and western european population. yep, we are all possessed.

you are so out of touch with reality. its scary to see how low the human brain can sink. and if you think the bible has no contradictions with science then i know for a fact you have never cracked open a single biology, geology, astronomy, or paleontology textbook in your life.

winner01:
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Scientific findings confirms the truth contained in the scriptures, the scriptures is not a fill for a gap.

Wow. I don't know what scientific findings you've been looking at. Creation.org? Jesusisreal.net?

Jeromejnr:
Indeed she is.

The Devil uses people like her to attribute what he caused to the God of all goodness. So others can be led astray.

2Tim3:13 But evil people and impostors will go from bad to worse as they deceive others and are themselves deceived.

You sound so deluded right now its scary. I wish you could read your message from the perspective of an objective observer, you'd sound no different than a cult member

analice107:
Agent of Satan. Carry on with your Luciferean propaganda

I really hope this is sarcastic.

winner01:
You made no reasonable point except to point that God does not exist simply because people suffer.

The answer remains, Man sinned and brought judgement upon himself. God never promised a world free of suffering after the fall of man, He only promised to walk with us through thick and thin if we trust in Him.

I believe you may find this useful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQmLVU_nvo8

That wasn't my point at all actually. You are still dodging my question.

Why isn't god blessing the children who need food and water, but he is blessing the people on nairaland who claim to be blessed, like OP here? How does he decide who to bless and why aren't the people who seem to need it most getting blessed? What would the children who are starving have to do to get blessed too?

ValentineMary:
Nice one. Pls are u female because I know very few female freethinkers.

Thanks Yes I am! And I don't know many either, its a shame

unphilaz:
cloudgoddess you dont have anyone who has prayed to you .... i think you should have some

How'd you come to that conclusion?

winner01:
God never promised a world free of suffering, He only promised to walk with us through thick and thin if we trust in Him.

I see your disbelief tilts towards emotions. God is able to heal you.

Way to try and distract from my point.

Why would god bless only some people (with jobs, cars, and whatever else you praise god for) and not those innocent children with simple food and water? Answer that question without making an excuse.

dearpreye:
Emancipate yourself from mental slavery.
None but ourselves can free our own mind.

Nigerians will rather pray than protest an unfavourable government policy while the Whites that brought us religion will take to their streets in thousands whenever they sense any injustice from their government.

Africans have this terrible habit of going overdrive on whatever they copy from outsiders

Religion and critical thinking are mutually exclusive.

Wow, I've thought this to myself many times and you phrased it perfectly.

Prayer studies. Quite a few have been performed and none have shown any difference in health, wellbeing, or speed of recovery from terminal illness, between those prayed for and those not prayed for. That should tell us something.

3 million newborn babies die every year around the globe. Over 60% of Nigerians are suffering in poverty. Yes, god is so good.

*facepalm*

Having sex and wanting sex as an adult human being is natural and nothing to be ashamed of. Like any other species on earth our ultimate biological purpose is to survive and reproduce. Sex feels good and is tempting so that we are encouraged to reproduce. Oxytocin & other feel-good chemicals are released during sex to encourage partner bonding, making the sex-having couple likely to become emotionally close so they will care for the baby together - leading to enhanced survival for the baby.

There are lots of other benefits and downsides of sex (i.e. fun, stress relief & cardio exercise, but potential heartbreak, pregnancy, STDs & emotional drama) but spirits are not even close to being on the list lol. Religion is nothing but people lacking knowledge, and therefore applying magical/"spiritual" explanations to simplify phenomena that they don't understand. Even STD's are simply bacteria (living organisms) and viruses finding their way into the human body through moist, nutrient-rich openings (like the urogenital areas) so they themselves can reproduce. STD's are not some kind of curse to punish people for having sex before marriage. There is no magic needed in explaining these things.

And the concept of marriage was not around for the first 180,000 or so years of humanity anyway. Marriage is a man-made invention, there is no reason to think that sex before or after it makes any difference other than the potential social, economic, and emotional implications.

Amberon:
oh really?? when it comes to a similar example using air it becomes 3rd grade, lol.

whether you've tested it or not doesn't mean you've seen it. by the way, how did you know that mars and Venus exists, have you been there?

Look. there's proof of the unseen in everyday life. I've experienced so many things that you'll debunk if I told you. Angels, demons exist. They see you but you don't see them. if you're spiritually dead, you'll never see them. But it doesn't mean they ain't there.

What the heck? Are you seriously still trying to compare things that have clear physical & chemical evidence for their existence (air, planets), to things that exist only in peoples' imaginations (devils, angels, gods)? Are you honestly trying to tell me you can't tell the difference between the two categories?

Something is direly wrong with Nigeria's education system.

She is completely correct. What an intelligent, insightful, and brave woman.

Interesting how the so-called loving Christians are just shouting hatred towards her being transgender, derailing the conversation because you know you have nothing else to say. Christianity is BS and it's about time people started exposing it.

The god of Christianity is a disgusting tyrant. Stop trying to make the lies make sense. It's just as horrible as it sounds which is why so many people are waking up & leaving Christianity by the droves. No matter what excuses anyone tries to make, an eternity of burning in flames for 70 or so years of misdeeds is the type of punishment a demon lord would inflict.

Not to mention impossible, since fire only hurts when you have a functioning human body (& nerves) to feel it with.

"The existence of a nice Muslim does not invalidate the statement that Islamic teachings advocate intolerance and violence toward non-Muslims"

I agree. But I say the exact same goes for Christianity. Both religions need to go straight into a trashcan somewhere.

Amberon:
dear sis, kindly tell me what air looks like to you. have you seen it? no! but you know its real. yet its so important that without it we would all die.

Sigh not this 3rd grade level air analogy again. You realize we can physically test air, right? And determine its chemical content with instruments? That's how we know air is real. We don't need to use our imaginations to conclude that air is real.

Amberon:
this is a known fact to every christian. the bible says " the things you don't see are more real than the things you see".

So... fiction is more real than reality?

Islam and Christianity are both made up.

OP, this only proves that atheists turn to theism for the same reasons people who are already theists cling to their theism - comfort, illusion of safety, desire to live forever, desperate desire for objective meaning. Unfortunately none of these say anything about whether their theistic claims are true or not.

Just as any Christian (ex-atheist or not) can say, "I KNOW my God exists because (insert non-evidence based, emotional reason here)", anyone of any other faith or religion can say the same (I know Buddha's methods are the keys to enlightenment because ____. I know the Hindu God Krishna will cause me to reincarnate because ____). And since none of you would have any objective evidence for your claims, you're all on equal ground and there's no reason to believe any of you.

Also, I'm quite certain the amount of people becoming atheist far trumps the amount of atheists becoming religious, especially in the modern day where atheism is more a result of the vast amount of scientific knowledge available to us now + open discourse about religion on the internet.

All thoughts are produced by the brain. Our more primitive centers produce our automatic & subconscious thoughts and impulses, while our evolutionarily advanced areas (mainly the frontal lobe) produces our conscious, intentional thoughts and decision-making. Other areas of the brain - like the parietal and occipital, allow our thoughts and behavioral impulses to be enriched by and linked with linguistic, visual, and other sensory stimuli.

So yes, as others have said, the mind and the brain are one.

pretty much a spot on representation of why the adam & eve story represents god's utter unfairness. create two helpless animals that don't know anything (but put a thirst for knowledge in their psyche), then blame them for their desire to know the truth. and all-knowing, he would have known that eve would eat the fruit all along. a sadistic being indeed.

OP beautifully stated post, I could not agree more.

Annunaki:
Evidently, you haven't read the new testament.

Evidently, you haven't read the verse where Jesus says "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)"

And regardless of whatever modern Christians say about the "Old Testament not applying anymore", that doesn't change the fact that you still worship a god who at one point thought killing babies, raping women, and enslaving people were perfectly good things to tell people to do.

malvisguy212:
the problem is you, if I ask you to provide proof of this, you will go and paste random verses without context as your proof.

The common "context" excuse. Alright, to prove how bogus that cop-out is, answer me this:

In what context, past or present, would the following be okay, moral, or good things to do?:

- Raping innocent women
- Stoning women for not being virgins on their wedding night
- Throwing infants against rocks
- Forcing people into slavery
- Beating slaves until they pass out for a few days
- Killing people for working on Saturday

I'm waiting.

I agree OP but Christianity is just as bad if you read about the atrocities God commanded in the old and new testaments.

-guy gets shot at but the shot misses, god protected him
-guy gets shot but misses all vital organs, its a miracle. God saved him.
-guy gets shot and lasting damage to his body, god saves him, cause god has more plans for his life. God is good.
-guy gets shot and killed. Guy is in better place, heaven.

The way you christians work out things in your mind theres no way for your make believe god to fail you!!

You could pray to anything and it would answer prayer the same way.

Prayer is also like buying a lottery ticket. You keep asking god to answer your different prayers. Hoping that one day he will answer one. Then after asking your supposed god thousands of prayers and finally, something happens in your life thats close to what you asked for and you call it a miracle from god. Its no miracle, it is just blind chance cause you asked for so many things. Heard so many times christians say: “god either answers yes, no, or wait.” Thats an answer for almost any request. In reality god answers in silence. Why? Cause he doesn’t exist!! Buy a lottery ticket you have way more of a chance something will happen because of the act."

Saw this comment on youtube and I don't think I've read anything more accurate. Thoughts?