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jared007:
re-write the bible? Haba don't be unfair to christians. It is scientists that fit into what has always been in the bible.

Either you've never read the bible or you've never taken a biology course.

jared007:
Thanks becos u just confirmed that Gen 10:25 is the exact period that races of the world were divided and God altered their bodies to adapt to their geographical locations. Science always agrees with the word of God but some lying scientists always try to resist.

No. Just, no. But the religious will always try & rewrite the bible to fit with what science discovers. It's the epitome of cognitive dissonance at work.

malvisguy212:
which kind of bible are you reading ?
Genesis 1:3
3 Then God said, “Let there be light”;
and there was light.

The text do not say God created the light, the text say God let it BE.

Let's read the rest of the first day to get the clues.
Genesis 1:4-5
"And God saw that the light was good;
and God separated the light from the
darkness. And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day."

Notice that every thought is begun with a conjunction, so we know that all of this is part of the continuing action. The text says that there was day and night on the earth on the FIRST DAY. This tells us that the light that was shining on the earth was directional (from one source).

Read this link http://www.sci-news.com/paleontology/science-australias-first-humans-giant-lizards-03267.html First Humans Coexisted with Giant Lizards,

If the bible say leprosy is a curse cast on someone, does that mean we should reject scientific explanation ? Satan is capable of doing anything with his power, quote the bible passage , leprosy was a curse, let us analyze it.

So please explain to me what the difference is between god creating light and god letting light be? what essentially would he be doing differently in either case? seems like you're just trying to derail the conversation with an irrelevant semantics argument.

i don't think you really said anything meaningful here.. my point still stands. stars are the SOURCE of light in the universe. until stars are created, there can be no light. light is a consequence of stars. so for someone to say they created light (or "let it be", verse 3), and THEN created stars after (verse 14), does not make any sense.

and giant lizards are not dinosaurs... dinosaurs are a separate species of reptile. as shown here, they have their own classification system separate from that of lizards:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/NightimeShadow/Picture1-17.png

again i don't see what point you're making.. we have proof that leprosy is not caused by curses because we can examine the source of the bacterium, locate where the person contracted the bacterium, see the bacterium proliferating in a person's bodily tissues with microscopes. nothing supernatural about that. and why do i need to provide a verse talking about leprosy curses when you already know the bible talks about leprosy curses?

KingEbukasBlog:
And the delusional dullard strikes again

I'm finished responding to you. A person who can only respond with insults when he is clearly proven wrong is obviously an incoherent and childish person indeed. I would be very sad to discover you were an adult and not a 12 year old child, the way you're acting. Good luck with life, you really will need it

raffite:
Anything that can determine where you spend eternity is important. Only people who can't think beyond the now and their immediate environment think otherwise.

What makes you think people are even capable of "spending eternity" anywhere? If you damage a person's brain, you can damage their consciousness. They black out. They are no longer experiencing anything in vision, hearing, sight, touch, or taste.

So what makes you think when a person dies and their brains/eyes/skin/etc stops functioning permanently, they will be able to experience things? What evidence do you have for that?

malvisguy212:
the bible was not writing for scientific purpose so you don't expect ALL the answers in biology , chemistry and physics in it. Things God revealed to us is sufficient , if He chose to revealed more, Glory Be To His Holy Name.

the bible doesn't have any answers, and actually contradicts most of the answers humanity has discovered through science. the two are incompatible.

for example, the bible states light was created before stars were. does not make any sense since the stars are the only source of light. bible says humans and animals have coexisted since the beginning. false again since modern humans did not evolve until 200,000 years ago, and all manner of species were thriving on earth far, far before then (like the dinosaurs, which we know did not coexist with humans). bible says leprosy is a curse cast on people, false again. leprosy is a disease contracted when a person comes in contact with the bacterial species Mycobacterium leprae.

believing in the bible will inevitably result in a complete lack of understanding of the natural world.

KingEbukasBlog:
Am sure the question I asked hit you so hard that you are now clutching onto anything as an excuse . And so answer : did Abacha use religion during his looting , or did the Diezani use religion when she stole 13 billion pounds , or is it religion that is stopping the Nigerian government from repairing roads , building industries , providing word class educational facilities for public schools , and well equipped hospitals , providing employment for graduates etc .

You are very shallow and vacuous in reasoning .

Ignorance should be your middle name . These African countries were exploited by European countries before they gained their independence . These African countries are being led by selfish , and power thirsty leaders who are more interested in their stomachs than the well being of the masses . There is marginalization of some ethnic groups in these countries - a major problem that has impeded growth and development in certain areas , economically and otherwise . Christianity as a recommended lifestyle does not support any of this cruel practices

UAE has the lowest crime rate in the world and over 95 percent of the country's population if not 99 percent identify as religious . Russia is a religious country and is the most involved in the fight against terrorism . Where are the military of Japan , Australia , Sweden , Netherlands?

And people in these countries identify as atheists most significantly due to morality . You can watch videos on Youtube where atheists are asked tricky questions on morality and how they fail woefully . These so called atheists just want to live as they please simple not that there is any plausible reason for practicing atheism .

you've got to be kidding me. i never said ALL atrocities are caused by religion - there are many other reasons people do bad things. but religion happens to be one of those reasons, and one of the most powerful ones. a quick look into any history book will confirm that.

empty insult that could easily be turned right back around on you.

this is so ironic that you bring that up because its those very plundering europeans who brought you your christianity -- before whites came, stole from us and pummeled the shit into our heads, we had our own religions and spiritual beliefs. and now those same europeans are abandoning religion by the masses (rate of nonreligious UK is 50%+), and becoming more developed & progressive as a result. and christianity helps keep religious leaders controlling gullible minds of the country, keeping everyone in stone-age mentalities blindly depending on prayer to solve things instead of making scientific and social progress based on evidence and reality.

again, have you heard the definition of anomaly? one or two exceptions does not discount the overwhelming majority of evidence that higher rates of religious belief are present in the most morally corrupt countries.

"some atheists are asked tricky questions on morality and can't answer them so all atheists obviously know nothing about morality". simplistic, childish reasoning again. more and more evidence continues to accumulate that morality is an innate aspect of the human experience. NO RELIGION has the monopoly on morals -- we ALL have the capacity to do well by others, practice kindness and compassion. and people who do so out of their own choice, not because they're afraid some god will punish them, are far more morally sound than a religious person who is only kind to others so he will get a "reward in heaven".

and atheism isn't a "practice", atheism is lack of belief in any gods -- the ONLY sensible stance to make when there is NO evidence for any particular god and TONS of evidence AGAINST the gods described in every holy book known to man thus far. and its only in your religiously biased world that people become atheists so they can "do what they want" when many atheists i know are the most ethically sound, socially active people i know. look up secular humanism and you will see that indeed plenty of atheist people care deeply about humanity -- they just don't require threat of hell to do so. and even moreso on that point, many christians i know seem to hide behind their redemption through christ as an excuse to commit all manner of so-called 'sin'. and surveys taken in the US show the rate of premarital sex is roughly equal between christians and non-believers. so there's that.

Holamide222:
May God help us to overcome sexual sin

the same "god" that placed sexual desire into every human being... you know, so we can proliferate our species and not die out and all

because the underdeveloped and uneducated are more easily controlled by fear, and pastors take advantage of that by instilling it vehemently.

menesheh:
That's where scientific explanation comes to play. Speciation can be observe in the lab. Environmental factors contributed to pigmentation and other variance in human race.


Follow Bible's explanation of human origin and remain ignorant for the rest of your life.

exactly.

christians are confused about these issues because the bible lacks real answers and only offers chidlike & misguided primitive explanations. here is a real answer for OP if you are indeed interested in reality (from University of California: Santa Barbara website, http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=1138):

"The human species is indeed very diverse, resulting from its global distribution. Before the mass global migrations of people during the last 500 years, populations were geographically separated and were reproductively isolated. For over 100,000 years this has caused different populations of humanity to evolve in different directions, developing distinctive genetic traits and characteristics. The common name used to refer to the genetically different populations of humans is "race although the term subspecies" is more accurate.

Genetic evidence from DNA obtained from fossils shows that the modern human species originated in sub-Saharan Africa, where it began diverging into different populations 180,000 years ago. By 100,000 years ago some of these populations had migrated out of sub-Saharan Africa and dispersed across Eurasia and North Africa. By 40,000 years ago the divergent evolutionary branching of the human species had produced five subspecies. The different races are often defined and named by skin color, but this system is based on only one genetic difference, when actually thousands are involved. In the more accurate system of racial classification, names assigned to the various races are based on geographical regions that are at center of their area of evolutionary development and origin.

1.The Congoid of southern Africa
2.The Capoid of sub-Saharan Africa
3. The Australoid of India, Southeast Asia, Indonesia, New Guinea and Australia
4. The Mongoloid of Northeast
5. The Caucasoid of Europe, North Africa and West Asia.

The diverse races of the human species all have their own geographical territory. Between most of these territories are clinal zones -- areas of contact between different racial territories. These areas of interracial contact create racially mixed populations."

the geographical location of dispersed humans which then evolved certain unique traits, explains why, for example, whites have such pale skin (the cold weather & lack of harsh sunlight in the northern hemisphere did not require large amounts of melanin), and why blacks have coarse hair (harsh sunlight near the equator made scalp protection from harsh rays a necessity for survival). also explains why many blacks still have high rates of lactose intolerance - ability to digest lactose after infancy was not originally innate to the human species. whites developed it from years and years of drinking cows milk into adulthood, while blacks only were introduced to such habits much later.

yep. if sin were a real thing, religious brainwashing would have to be one of the top 5

cannot believe in the 21st century we are arguing about such trivialities as wearing jewelry and hats and masturbating. how can you not see that there are more important things to be thinking about? oh how powerful religion is in setting humanity back 100's of years in progress

KingEbukasBlog:
More gibberish from a dumb atheist

eh, if you're not willing to use your brain i can't help you. you're a lost cause.

malvisguy212:
bring proof of this error, and when you do that ,help us to understand the context so that we will know which kind of error is that.

This web page (http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html) showcases the following biblical contradictions with bible verses, although certainly there are more than just these:

God good to all, or just a few?
War or Peace?
Who is the father of Joseph?
Who was at the Empty Tomb?
Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
Which first, beasts or man?
How many stalls and horsemen?
Is it folly to be wise or not?
Human vs. ghostly impregnation
The sins of the father
Hares do not chew their cud
Fowl from waters or ground
Odd genetics
The shape of the earth
Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt
Earth supported?
Heaven supported too
The hydrological cycle
Order of creation
Moses' personality
Righteous live?
Jesus' first sermon plain or mount?
Jesus' last words
Years of famine
Moved David to anger?
The genealogy of Jesus?
God be seen?
Cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious or kind, merciful, and good
Tempts?
Judas died how?
Ascend to heaven
What was Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denial?
How many time did the cock crow?
How many beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount
Does every man sin?
Who bought potter's field?
Who prophesied the potter's field?
Do you answer a fool?
How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?
How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?
Marriage?
Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice?
Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
How many apostles were in office between the resurrection and ascension?
Judging
Good deeds
For or against?
Whom did they see at the tomb?
God change?
Destruction of cities (what said was Jeremiah was Zechariah)
Whose sepulchers?
When second coming?
Solomon's overseers
The mother of Abijah
When did Baasha die?
How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
The differences in the census figures of Ezra and Nehemiah
What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?
What did they give him to drink?
How long was Jesus in the tomb?

Scholar8200:
This remains your opinion till you give an evidence.

Give proof and examples.

Gladly.
The least educated and most corrupt countries correlate with the most religious ones, and the most educated & developed countries likewise correlate with the least religious.
http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/the-14-most-educated-countries-in-the-world-346448/
https://s4.postimg.org/v5zezmkzx/wpreligious.png
https://s9.postimg.org/dv3ikb9mn/atheist_countries.png

Even within countries, for example states located in the southern "bible belt" of America - lower education is associated with higher amounts of religious belief.
http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/09/23/americas-most-and-least-educated-states/5/

I'd say I'm a combination of 1, 2, 4, and 6.

- I am very concerned about women's, gay, and human rights
- I am very anti-religion and believe the world will certainly be better off once it's eliminated
- I still attend church to appease my family and avoid fruitless conflict with those I love who happen to be religious
- I have a strong passion for science and love anyone who loves it as much as I do

KingEbukasBlog:
Even in the video , there are unsure of some occurrences .

"We dont know an awful lot about the universe "

"We need people to answer these questions "

"We dont know what it is but we are sure its there "

Why should I educate myself with uncertainties and assumptions ?

Are you now ready to join the bandwagon of the "We dont know , but we are sure its not God " crew ?

THAT IS HOW SCIENCE WORKS YOU DUMMY. scientists don't claim to know anything until they have proof for it - until then, "we don't know" is a perfectly acceptable answer. you are the ones who are ignorant because you jump to the claim of god before you actually know anything.

Up until just 300 or so years ago, no one knew that diseases were caused by microscopic organisms -- the bubonic plague for example was thought to be a CURSE and people tried to fight it off by wearing ridiculous beaked costumes. the people claiming that the plague was some heavenly sign from god or a curse from the devil or whatever, were WRONG. the correct scientific knowledge and antibiotics would have stopped the plague - not superstition.

if a person back then would have said, "i don't know what is causing the plague, but i know it isn't god", they would have been MORE CORRECT than the people claiming they knew that it was god/the devil/whatever supernatural force. "i don't know" is an acceptable answer in science because jumping to conclusions before you have any proof is an act of willful ignorance and only causes confusion. what's the difference between you claiming that a yet unknown phenomenon "must be god", and me claiming that it must be "a magical unicorn"? neither of us have proof, how would you know which is right? Heck, how do you know which is right between your god and the thousands (literally, over 4,000) creator gods that have existed throughout history, many of them polytheistic?

Scholar8200:
Okay so how does this apply to globally known intellectual giants and celebrated leaders who are staunch , Bible reading christians?

the MAJORITY of christians are far from intellectual giants -- most are to some degree very ignorant, amongst other things. the christians that do fit those descriptions do a ton of cherrypicking of the bible and likely have their own interpretation of christianity that allows them to function as at least somewhat rational individuals in present day society. ultimately, their religion isn't the cause of their intellect or leadership skills - rather their intellect/leadership skills manage to exist in spite of their religion.

KingEbukasBlog:
You really sound ignorant . You are filled with hate for this imaginary God , at least that explains the rant . You who is educated , rational and intelligent , what have you contributed to facilitate the progress of human and society , especially in Nigeria .

Let's hear it ...

again, atheists do not hate god because god doesn't exist. that's like claiming that children saying "santa claus isn't real" means children hate santa. no, we just hate lies - especially lies that cause humans to turn off their brains.

how silly can you be? atheists have almost no power in nigeria because we are looked down upon so vehemently. even coming out as an atheist is social suicide in most areas of nigeria. a single person can not make a difference from a position of so little power and influence. religious men are running the entire show in nigeria, so before atheists can do anything to make a real difference, we have to grow in number and the stigma behind us has to decrease.

also, i never claimed that all atheists are active & productive members of society. what i DID claim is that religion holds back society. in countries that are mostly absent of religious dogma (in places like sweden, japan, netherlands, australia, etc) society is booming, technological advances are made on a regular basis, and crime rates are very low. whereas in societies still fueled by religious dogma the most (nigeria, ghana, iraq, etc) things are going pretty horrible for the most part.

malvisguy212:
The overwhelming majority of so-called errors in the Bible have been
demonstrated to be simply errors of judgment or lack of understanding on the part of those who make the complaint. People are always digging up
some supposed flaw in Scripture, which is not surprising. You cannot understand God word with just a single verse. Will it be fair if you are in a court and the judge judged you with a SINGLE statement ? Doctrine is built not upon one Bible passage but upon the total of God's comments on any subject.

If you believe Christianity is false and you don't believe God exist , yet you fear death,you are being irrational, maybe you
uncertain whether death is the end of
your existence.

No they have not. The bible contains a number of irreconcilable errors that are continuously covered up by so-called experts who claim to know the correct interpretation. Take three random christian pastors from any parts of Nigeria and i guarantee they will contradict eachother on their explanations for several scriptures.

And no one is judging god by a single verse. There are MULTIPLE bible verses that depict god as a spiteful, hateful, disturbed and very confused being. Ordering babies to be killed and women to be raped, ordering the stoning of non-virgin women, ordering people to kill their children to prove things. Absolutely despicable, no sane person would see these behaviors as those of a loving & omnipotent god.

This is the most idiotic claim I've ever heard a christian make. EVERY SENTIENT BEING FEARS DEATH. it is literally part of our DNA. As a human race we have all inherited the fear of death because its that very fear (amongst other things) that keeps us motivated to stay alive and thus proliferate our species (the ultimate biological purpose of life - reproduction). And it's ironic because this fear is essentially what drives much of religion - you don't want to die so you comfort yourself with the idea that you will be alive again after you die. At least we face reality.

KingEbukasBlog:
I think you join the bandwagon of atheists who have admitted they dont know .

1. 99% sure you did not even watch the video
2. don't know what? even the most educated scientist doesn't claim to know what happened before the big bang. but we certainly do know that "god did it" is not the answer (ruling out your explanation automatically) and that the big bang is an incredible plausible explanation given the evidence, which is outlined in the video. which you didn't watch, so i can't help you

malvisguy212:
is the bible true ? Why do you spend soo much time in a book that is not true ?do you atheists know the meaning of hypocrite? Hypocrite are people who claims to be a christians yet indulge in what the op list. The only way to relief your fear of Hell is to determine if Christianity is true or not.

because that false book is believed to be true by many ignorant, uneducated and indoctrinated people, who are then using the false book to delay progress in humanity and society, especially in nigeria. they only way to get rid of such a plague is to call it out and expose its falsehood.

and i have no reason to fear christian hell just like you have no reason to fear a flying spaghetti monster breaking into your house and drowning you in sauce. both are outrageous claims with no proof backing them and a tremendous amount of proof against them

KingEbukasBlog:
One upon a time , natural processes from NOTHING decided BLINDLY to make everything . You guys dont see the BLIND FAITH in that ?

sigh. this is just too much ignorance for me to fix on my own. here, please take 7 minutes of your time and educate yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eePtgqReD4

johnydon22:
Well sin is a religious construct that bears no weight on the moral tilt of an action..
So i don't care what your religion considers sin, what is right supersedes every arrogant restriction

Yes the one that drowns everything because they didn't work the way it planned..
i can see what righteousness means and i can tell you it is not for me

The part of the brain we refer to as heart in terms of volition is the part in charge of emotions.

Our emotions should never be a determinant to truthful deductions. .

we should judge ourselves by the sincerity of our questions and the depth of our answer and our ability to agree with what is true rather than what feels good or what we so bad want to be true

I don't need the bible to give my idea of these concepts. I am far more developed than the people who wrote the bible or any other primitive religious book.

Mind: The totality of the volition of a conscious entity

Heart and emotions in this context is no different from the other like i explained above.

Unless you mean the organ that pumps your blood.. lol...

you just shut it down could not have said this any better

malvisguy212:
an imaginary God will send real people to hell. Confused atheists.

can you even read?

op said that IF the bible were true, most christians would be going to hell. nowhere there did he say hell is real or that the bible is true. get some glasses

I've always found heaven seemed like such a boring and terrible place to be. Worshiping a sadistic egomaniac for the rest of eternity while being surrounded with hypocritical christians?

Yep, take me to hell any day!

KingEbukasBlog:
You couldn't handle the truth . Are you an actual biologist ? He based his explanations on researches and STUDY and he even gave references .

He explained how intelligently designed nature is for it to exist by mere chance or random process .

I seriously DOUBT you understand the word "science" . And how many atheists here are actual scientists ? All here are debating with science books and articles as sources .

PLEASE STOP THE HYPOCRISY !

No, he did not "base his explanations on researches". He took research, then drew totally unfounded conclusions from it based on his opinions which are a result of religious bias and emotional reasoning. That's not how you use research papers.

The idea that nature needs to have been designed to be complex is in itself a baseless assumption. The idea that there has to be a "maker" in the picture, rather than just natural processes at work continuously, is a religious idea that has no scientific motivation whatsoever. It's just an attempt to squeeze a god into the picture when there is no need for one.

Yes, I'm the one here who doesn't understand science. this is the definition of science, per google: 'the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.' the scientific method is formulated to eliminate any chance of bias and opinion. things that fit together through observation and experiment are ideally the ONLY things that make it through the other end of a scientific study or paper. the blog you posted would NOT make it because its full of assumptions and religiously motivated opinions.

Why wouldn't someone debate with books and articles if they want to be credible...? And sorry you havent experienced this yourself, but no one has to be a scientist to know basic scientific knowledge

vooks:
You know I keep on saying Google can't add your IQ

"The experiments showed that simple organic compounds of building blocks of proteins and other macromolecules can be formed from gases with the addition of energy."

vooks:
I want to talk about ABIOGENESIS or chemical evolution.
This is the belief that elements formed compounds which formed life all by themselves.
I wish to touch on the probability of this happening naturally

And your alternative is.... a magical old man that exists somewhere no one knows, spontaneously poofing all organisms into existence, after poofing the earth & sun into existence? Lets see the calculations for how probable that is

Also, the miller urey experiment conducted in the 1950s proved that amino acids & other building blocks of life can indeed be synthesized in a system similar to the environment of early earth.
https://www.mhhe.com/biosci/genbio/enger/student/olc/art_quizzes/genbiomedia/0049.jpg

KingEbukasBlog:
Ive been going through this site for a while - http://101proofsforgod..com.ng - the author proves life is intelligently designed , nullifying the idea of probability a.ka chance-of-the-gaps and evolution .

all i see is a bunch of random facts followed by "this is so amazing and so god must have done it!" show that site to any actual biologist and see how quickly you get laughed at.

i really don't think you people know how science works. all you know how to do is butcher science to try & twist it to support your beliefs. and i truly believe you don't want to learn -- you just want any shred of "proof", no matter how unfounded, to back up what you've already been indoctrinated to believe. its quite sad to watch.

Scholar8200:
Thanks for that. In fact, America started out being very religious (One Nation Under GOD) but when GOD'S blessings and technological advancements/scientific breakthroughs came, they forgot God the Giver and esteemed the gifts more.

You've got things so backwards. The second America started breaking off from religion (starting from seperation of church & state around 1800) is when progress began to be made. "Gifts" my butthole. Nothing America has accomplished was due to prayer (aka wishful thinking), it all came from hard work and individuals who were willing to risk their time and even their lives to put in years and years of research & fight for what's right -- often going against the push of religious influencers. Stop attributing the accomplishments of dedicated, focused, educated human beings to your fairy tale. That's one of the most condescending and irritating things you Christians do.

And "one nation under god" wasn't even added to the pledge till 1954, and that was because World War II created paranoia about communism spreading. I'm sure it'll be removed within the next 50 years, and it'll be good riddance.