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Ehen na now you come.

lagosboy86:
I guess I lost the 2nd round. I was full like crazy. but that egusi was perfect. the goat meat was kinda hard, but twas ok.
anyways, I ordered some Eba with more egusi, chicken, and Goat meat Pepper soup and the rest of my SUYA for take-out.
I Know i'm set this sunday!!!
couldn't resist having a sip of the pepper soup immediately. It was nice sha, but that OMPH, that OMG feeling wasn't there. just like the moi-moi and the suya, that naija home cooking unique flavor was missing.
its true what they say., east or west, home is best.

lagosboy86:
Walmart ke. do u see maggi and knorr at Walmart? or can you get egusi and garri at safeway?

all my ingredients for jollof rice I buy at Walmart and Safeway . They have knorr and that's what I use. They also have everything else for jollof and fried rice.

No they don't have egusi and all those native African stuff that's why I think you shouldn't fill your tummy first with jollof rice
At least you drove far for African food, hammer better swallow.

lagosboy86:
I was like wowwwww, U will need the EMT to get me out of here today by the time i'm done., lol.
I wanted something that would bring back that feeling of home, something that would make me feel Nigerian again
anyways, I started with no. 1.- Jollof rice with fried rice, with a side of moi- moi and whiting fish, (fried Kpanla) she called it.

so you traveled many miles just to eat jollof rice
You could have bought all the ingredients you need for that at any Walmart or Safeway close to you.

Better eat enough swallow and conc naija soup before you leave there. If you fill your stomach with jollof rice e no go good.

lagosboy86:
Finally arrived at my destination., was greeted by a kind looking middle aged Yoruba lady,. being Yoruba myself, we quickly switched our converse to Yoruba. The restaurant was nice and clean. I guess I was the first customer of the day. the chit chat continued. haha, doesn't this woman know that i'm hungry ni? I didn't drive over 200 miles just to come chit chat. lol.,
she gave me the menu.,

pinshure. Pinshure pls

r231:
I am on vacation so I eat crazy stuff while I am in funky countries

ok.

r231:
Breakfast

Lunch

Dinner

you know I don't believe you.

crackhaus:
My very first and default response to things like this.

But the guy may just be one of those who love with all of their heart and none of their head.

not saying he should go after the baby but I wish you guys will see it from his point of view. Apart from feeling used, it is not every man that can totally switch off and disconnect knowing that he could have a child out there who will never know of the true father's existence.

lagosboy86:
Oh, excuse me miss, my bad. Sorry

no problems.

EfemenaXY:
I can't explain it...but having watched that video, I'm convinced the black man with the camera is either Crackhaus

It's just got to be one of them...

#picks up her bathroom slippers and flees this thread#

that is Crackhaus . I assure you.

lagosboy86:
Don't worry bro. been backing it up for a while now.

no wahala.

BTW bro I'm a girl

nora544:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TbAK2oJb4M

look at this if you can watch it it is barbaric

i can't watch that . That image up there is enough to give one nightmares

Fabulous

carefreewannabe:
Cococandy,

I have been following this debate and it was very interesting. I have simultaneously done some research and it is CLEAR AND OBVIOUS that female circumcision cannot be compared to male circumcision. Female circumcision has no advantages but is harmful and bears risks which are more often than not dangerous to mother and child during child birth. The effects of female circumcision are more often than not devastating.

By contrast male circumcision is debatable. There are pros and cons, that much is obvious.

You have been arguing that the advantages outweigh. I have read English and German websites and medical journals and I am not 100% sure but the evidence seems to favor your stand on this matter.

The following source is a good summary and a reliable source and I can comfortably say that it states what most serious sources from the English and German speaking world state.

Medical researchers recommend male circumcision

2 March 2012

Penile cancer, HIV, HPV, syphilis and kidney inflammation are among a number of medical conditions whose risk can be lowered by the practice of infant male circumcision, says a study led by the University of Sydney.

The review of current international evidence for the benefits and risks of infant male circumcision is published today in the Open Journal of Preventive Medicine.

"This is the world's first evidence-based policy on infant circumcision and its authors include five Fellows of the Royal Australasian College of Physicians," lead author, Professor Brian Morris, from Sydney Medical School at the University, said.

"The evidence in favour of infant circumcision is now so strong that advocating this simple, inexpensive procedure for baby boys is about as effective and safe as childhood vaccination".

The study points out that many common childhood conditions, including kidney damage, will become rare if baby boys are circumcised in the first weeks of life.

Circumcision was found to protect men, and their sexual partners, from several common sexually transmitted infections, as well as cancers of the penis and cervix.

"The scientific evidence shows no adverse effects on sexual function, sensitivity, satisfaction or sensation - if anything the opposite," said Professor Morris.

The policy suggests that for maximum benefits, safety, convenience and cost savings, circumcision should be performed in infancy and with local anaesthesia. It claims that the risk-benefit analysis shows benefits outweigh minor risks by a factor of over 100 to 1.

"It is now up to state governments to ensure that bans on elective infant male circumcision in public hospitals are lifted without delay. And it is essential that the federal government revises the Medicare rebate so that this procedure is affordable for low-income families.

"The costs saved will be enormous, as this policy statement shows that half of uncircumcised males will suffer an adverse medical condition over their lifetime, and many will die as a result of diseases preventable by circumcision," Professor Morris said.

The 12 authors of the published study include the University's Professor Stephen Leeder, Director, Menzies Centre for Health Policy; Associate Professor Leslie Schrieber, Sydney Medical School; and Professor Adrian Mindel, Director of the Sexually Transmitted Infections Research Centre.

http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=8755

coogar:
the western support is the pillar behind the FGM campaign in africa. i remember the UK pledging £35m last year to fight against FGM. where's the MGM equivalent?

they might pledge 45 million pounds to support your campaign. Just show some initiative first by kicking off the African face of the campaign

coogar:
is that africa? i see 2 white male caucasoids holding a banner. where's the equivalent of the FGM campaign in africa?



i want to see the western support of the abolition of male circumcision in africa.

you're an African man. Who better to kick up the protest than you? You're young and full of strength. Do the male folk this honor.

If western hospitals allow parents of boys who don't want their sons circumsized to be,what makes you think they won't support Africans who want to do the same?

And why do we need western support.

If that study from John Hopkins is not worthy of consideration,permit me to disregard any other.
Clearly every research is dismissible.



The US doesn't enforce male child circumcision.

BABE3:
And I can also pull out 10s of researches that says that study up there is crap. Correlation isn't causation. The issue of circumcision and lower risk of STDs is still very much an ongoing debate.
But like many things, the more we repeat the claim, the more we believe it, even if it false.

GUD (genital ulcerative disease) is a disease associated with an Uncircum.P; Urethritis is a associated with circum.P.

Guess which of those diseases is more prevalent in America? Urethritis! Added to the fact that there are more Uncircumcised men roaming about.




Presently, America is the only advanced western country with a relatively high rate of circumcision.
And what country is more liberal than USA? None. So you wonder why they're still hanging on to male circumcision.
It's simply because it's profitable for their system. Male circumcision is unnecessary.

coogar:
so you dunno there's a strong campaign against FGM in africa? my argument is - where's the campaign against MGM?

I am aware of the campaign. That doesn't mean it has been entered into law as a criminal offense.(to the best of my knowledge)

How I wish ...

Hey coogar so you don't know there is a campaign against male circumcision? Kai. Your sleeping on top bike o.
Better go put your mouth where your mb is.

but we have told you the practise keeps both genders in check. boys lose penile sensitivity as the removed foreskin contains plenty of nerve endings. uncut men enjoy sėx much more!

bollocks

See your club people BTW

Breakfast
Dessert
And lunch

I'm forming healthy eating. Let me see how far I can go with this.

This is really no news. If you know how to steal big big money,you're a Nigerian hero.
There are quite a few who want to do right,but they get smothered when they raise their voices to make a difference

coogar:
this is not about any of us here - we are just arguing. the question you have been evading over more than 2 hours ago is still unanswered.

why is male circumcision accepted & female circumcision is a criminal offence? let's leave each other's babies out of it for once & argue constructively.

D

im not aware of the law (in Nigeria at least) that makes female circumcision a criminal offense.I could be wrong
If there is such a law, kudos to the government

I've answered this your question severally coogar. Male circumcision is done in the best interest of the boy while female circumcision is done with the warped mentality that it will keep her sexuallly in check.
Even if FGM has no disadvantages whatsoever,that reason is enough to ban the whole practice universally.

BABE3:
Please tell us the advantages and the disadvantages and lets see how they outweigh each other. Tell us how these advantages make circumcised males sèxually healthier than the uncircumcised ones.

In the new guidelines, the CDC says there is now strong evidence that male circumcision can:
Cut a man's risk of getting HIV from an infected female partner by 50 to 60 per cent.
Reduce their risk of genital herpes and certain strains of human papillomavirus by 30 per cent or more.
Lower the odds of urinary tract infections during infancy, and cancer of the penis in adulthood.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2860727/Benefits-circumcision-outweigh-risks-Procedure-cuts-risk-HIV-STDs-penile-cancer-official-report-declares.html#ixzz3L9xLCksv
This was from a research carried out at John Hopkins.

As for why the rate of male circumcision is dropping,it is because of protest movement from people who think like coogar. You know how Americans like to be liberal minded,so it is not surprising that there are parents who want to give their boys the chance to make that choice for themselves.
I totally respect that decision

coogar:
i have a problem with this bit of your submission. who told you the advantages outweigh the pains? what could be more advantageous than a guy enjoying sėx the way he should?

these are the potential hazards associated with male circumcision(excluding mortality) ...so tell us how the pros outweigh the cons.


www.nairaland.com/attachments/1921654_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

like I said before,there is no proof that circumcsion impedes sexuall pleasure.

All these POTENTIAL problems of circumcision in males are slim to almost non existent if compared to the rate of those who have done it successfully.
But like I said before,if that slim chance is enough to make you not want to circumsize your son, feel free to.
If on the other hand you think it is enough to start a movement against circumcision of boys, I will will support you.......from afar

But don't be getting in our way in our campaign against FGM. Whether you mean it or you're just kidding.
You have to know some people take nairaland too seriously.

coogar:
ada owerri, don't sign out biko.
you have kept this thread lively with your radical inputs. don't back out cos the facts are starting to close down on you.

which facts? That FGM is the same thing as circumcision? and has same consequences?
Nope. I'm signing out because even though I know you've been pulling my legs all along,
it seems like the thread is no longer about babies but becoming an avenue for feminist bashing and anti-equality champions to lament.

That shii is so stale

BABE3:
This isn't about me or what I would or would not do. This is about you and your watery reason for supporting male circumcision and going against female circumcision.

Boys can endure the pain coz they're boys. But girls ? Nah, they're too fragile, not fair. Tearing off the foreskin will keep the boys séxually in check. But for the girls? No need, they're girls.

Gender equality.

I never said boys can endure the pain because they are boys.
I said the advantage outweighs the pain .
Did you even read the post you're trying to respond to?
Nor do I know how any of that nonsense you typed there is the same thing as I what I said in any of my posts .
I remember specifically saying I don't buy into the school of thought that circumcision reduces sexualL enjoyment (in both girls and boys) because it is not proven.
I only recognize the fact that the people who still have that culture do it out of the PROBABLY ignorant belief that it is true.

Woman take your WATERY understanding elsewhere

coogar:
so after 120 years of your gender equality campaign, you can boldly admit on a public forum that men & women are not the same?

brb, lemme dance small.....

https://a.fod4.com/images/GifGuide/dancing/1tumblr_lgp6q5NhE21qcjtu8o1_500.gif

have I ever said men and women are the same?

You're confused coogar.
If there is one thing I appreciate about life it is the differences between men and women. I think it is one of the beauties of life.
And I'm pretty sure I've said that more than once on this forum.

I only have a problem with people who think that being different means that one group automatically deserve better treatment and more respect based on their gender or deserve to get away with bad behaviors because of their gender.

But then you're just going to drag me into a gender argument back'n'forth and we will never agree in the end.

So at this point,I sign out.

fem29:
Na wa. She really rubs me up the wrong way, she is a menist , nothing a man does can be faulted, it's always the woman's fault, haba

warped

Laugh well well o.that's my mission here. To make you laugh

Anyway I haven't said these boys don't suffer pain.
The pain is not even the reason why I don't support it for girls . Far from it.


The advantage of circumcision for boys outweighs the pain. Even if it a completely painless procedure,I won't support it for girls.

I can't argue for both of them because they are not the same thing.

coogar:
you make me laugh!
you have covered all the hospitals in nigeria & found out that males don't die from circumcision? how can nigeria treat anything better than the USA especially a practise that is prevalent on both sides?



have you seen it done to male babies? neat removal? do you know the number of nerve endings in the foreskin & you think it's not painful to all those little babies?

this is hilarious!



pain is pain - wound is wound!
loss of blood is experienced from both practises. the victims feel so much pain from it & they didn't give consent to their mothers to have their genitäls tampered with.

i still don't see how you can argue for one & argue against the other one.



who says there's no procedure?
they know what they are doing....there are different kinds of female circumcision depending on the culture or traditional beliefs. they know what they are removing but mistakes do happen sometimes & that's not restricted to a particular gender. both sexes suffer pain & male circumcision violates the right to decide how to express his sëxuality.

fem29: I don't understand her

join the club

^^^^ hahahaha. Silly you

BABE3:
.

feel free to not circumcise your sons.

But I will do mine.
Circumsizing boys has a bigger advantage than leaving them uncircumsized
circumsizing girl has less advantage than leaving them uncircumsized.

I can't believe this is even up for debate.

coogar:
female circumcision is prescribed in islam - so it's also a religious practise.



if close to 120 boys die of circumcision in a developed country, you think many more wont be dying in nigeria? do you even have any credible stats of infant mortality in nigeria?

please don't argue for arguments sake - too much loss of blood can cause death in children. feminists turned it from female circumcision to "genitäl mutilation". i wonder why male circumcision isn't considered mutilation.

I am not arguing for argument's sake.
Boys don't die from circumcision in Nigeria.

Maybe Nigerian hospitals do it better than US hospitals. Same way we treat malaria better than them.

FGM is termed mutilation because there is no definition of what is done to the girls when it done. At least in boys it is a neat removal of the foreskin.
In girls depending on the 'generosity' of the chief priestess in charge of the 'surgery' , it could be a removal of the clitorisss or part of the clitorisss or the labia-minora or even some of the labia-majora or all of the above.

Basically there is no procedure or even knowledge of what exactly they are set out to do. All they know is that as long as the hole is present for the man to choke his kini in,every other thing is not so important because it might give the woman some sort of avenue to enjoy intimate unions and that they do not want.

Kachisbarbie: I find the story ridiculous. [/i]

these things happen. I was almost a victim.