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ChristineC:
you are just trying hard to perch on righteous grounds and I have told you that at the time of events in the storyline, you defeat an enemy means you crush them to the point they don't regroup. Check ancient life history of war events, you can even use your Holy Book.

You crush the leaders and the army not innocent people.

highcollide:
You people are avoiding this question. Where did the wildfire come from?

Yes i agree that Cersie would have planted wildfire in the city but killing innocents doesn't still justify her actions

Burn down where Cersie is if innocents die when trying to kill Cersie we can understand collateral damage in that instance not burning people on the street who were miles away from Cersie.

The wildfires were not even much compared to what Daenerys did.

highcollide:
How would she have known where cersie is?

Everywhere in kings landing was booby-trapped. From having scorpions at the edges, to keeping innocent citizens at the entrance, to having wildfires planted inside the city. Cersie would have gotten dany with anything inside kings landing.

I had a court case last year with someone with similar traits like cersie. He and his people, They fight dirty, the guy used bottle to tear and design his own body to distort evidence and kill the case. I wanted justice, what would I have done?

Guess what, I played nice and the guy, who actually tried to kill me, was set free!...

My brother, pray make you no get real life battle with person wey wicked like cersie.

It does not justify chasing innocent people on the streets with dragon fire burning them like they are all Cersie.

She no know where the red keep was abi. And she had destroyed all the scorpions.

Going after innocent people on the streets is Madness. Watch Daenerys and the dragon, they were particular about killing people than even destroying the city because the dragon was flaming the city based on the streets where people were running, only when a building was in the way it got burnt.

The Citadel and the walls where the scorpions were placed were only when she specifically destroyed structures.

highcollide:
The women and children are what cersie would have used to finish off dany.


Look, tyrion had misled her a few times, causing her to lose soldiers, fleets, her dragon, oberyns wife and daughters etc.....she started suspecting tyrion of protecting his family i.e cersie.

She watched tyrion reject the idea of attacking kings landing and suggesting the idea of diplomacy. It backfired.

Now, tyrion rejected the idea of burning the city to the ground and asked dany to stop the attack. Giving dany the impression that tyrion has someone working with city and tyrion is likely in contact with cersie. I suspect this because cersie felt relieved when the bell rung before dany burnt the city. Cersie had other plans which weren't disclosed.

I also suspect that inviting tyrion to tell him about burning the city was a test for tyrion given by dany, which he failed woefully. It seemed like tyrion was working with cersie to stall the ransack of Kings landing while danys forces deplete slowly.

Looking at her face when the bell rung, I felt she was mad because tyrion predicted it. She didn't know who to trust anymore. She didn't want to follow tyrions idea and lose another loved one. What should she have done? Ringing the bell, does it mean a heartless bitch like cersie has surrendered? Even when we thought cersie was powerless, she burnt the high septa and everyone including it.


Burning the city was the best thing dany did. If not she would have died or lost something that would start a chain reaction that will make her lose everything.

Like Raumdeuter asserted and i agree that it is when a leader surrenders, is killed or captured then you can say you have conquered. Why did she not go straight to where Cersie was and burn that place down, burn some other strategic symbol that she might want to. With that every other deceptive plan by Cersie be it with the wildfire or whatever and would have come to not when Cercei is dead.

All we are saying is that killing innocents in the manner she did bordered on being MAD.

BeLookingIDIOT:
Seriously,those people defending her action are evil!
This has gone beyond a mere movie argument...I swear,if it was my fiancee that defended her,that will be the end of our engagement.

Even you don carry the thing pass mere movie!

Abeg make people come chop rice for you reception oo.

raumdeuter:
Those men and women became part of thw war when Cersei brought them into the war theatre.

So the ones she was torching on the streets were part of the war? People that were miles away from where Cercei stood, harmless peasants oo.

highcollide:
I don't know why people are mad at dany.

When you battle someone like cersie, you destroy them completely and leave not even the tiniest space.


If she had been diplomatic when they rung the bell, she might have fallen into a trap and died from the wildfire.

Not leaving the tiniest space means killing every man, woman and child who was not part of the army abi?.

highcollide:
I don't know why people are mad at dany.

When you battle someone like cersie, you destroy them completely and leave not even the tiniest space.


If she had been diplomatic when they rung the bell, she might have fallen into a trap and died from the wildfire.

Double post

raumdeuter:
It's like asking why the Russians didn't go directly for Hitler and not rape the women and decimate the Germans. Maybe in an ideal world, there will be wars without innocent civilian casualties not in real life

As far as she is concerned the war was still on as long as Cersei was alive and not surrendered

When in war the first rule is ensure you win by all means. Only winners write history and determine who the villains are

That is why the Germans were tried for war crimes and hardly any Russian was despite committing comparable levels of atrocities

What Lady Olenna was advising her was that Dany needs to win the war first, get power and then worry about the political or warfare correctness of it.
When Cersei blew the Sept of Baelor, while sitting on the throne, did anyone question how she got there? even the other houses who knew the evil she did to get there, the iron bank, the citadel all recognized her as the ruler

How did Daenerys know that Cercei had not surrendered?

You keep twisting things to suit your narrative. The innocents that Daenerys was killing on the street, were they all around Cercei to show that she was aiming for cercei and they were collateral damage. These were people on the streets of KL and the Mad queen decided to kill them all.

Your comparisms with the Russian German scenario is diversionary abeg. Leave that side. Your Anthony Joshua analogy also does not make sense. So because you are fighting with his father you see the boy on the street you strike him abi.

Must you win the war by killing everything in sight even things and people that were of no threat to you!

raumdeuter:
To surrender your leader have to be killed/ captured or surrender. That is the sign that a war is won.
Does WW2 count as modern warfare? Have you read what Russians did to Germans civilians when they entered Berlin
Google the rape of Berlin. The Guardian newspaper has it that "'They raped every German female from eight to 80'"

So why did she not go kill Cercei like i asked previously when she had the chance and leave the innocents alone. Cercei was standing there for the taking. She had not escaped with Jamie.

raumdeuter:
The war is between Cersei and Dany. The soldiers are only tools to fight this.
So what the soldiers do is immaterial if the leader does otherwise,
Anything is justified in war especially if you are using these same innocents as human shields

In modern warfare, innocents die if they are used as shields, and their death falls on the person who used them as shields
If Cersei cared about the people she will not bring them to where the war was fought, she played that card hoping that Dany will be merciful and she will escape
As Dany said, Our mercy has been turned into our weakness
In ancient warfare killing the innocent is actually normal. Once you lose a war you are wiped out
After the German soldiers surrender in WW2 less than 100yrs ago, Russian soldiers still went on a rampage killing all men, rapingg all women

You asked if the soldiers surrender what will Cersei do? The answer is that Cersei and Jamie will escape and be smuggled away by the Ser Davos that was paid by Tyrion to Pentos and the Lannisters will have time to regroup

Is that what Dany wanted?

The war was between Danny and Cercei you say. So why did she not go for Cercei when she had the chance but decided to kill innocents.

Yes the soldiers are tools to fight, but once you tools are disarmed you are a sitting dock just like how Cercei was and Danny had all the time to kill her but suddenly decided it was the innocents that she had a grouse with.

How can what the soldiers do be immaterial? Most tyrants only hang on to power because they have an army. The day this army turn on them they are finished. So what the soldiers do in mot immaterial guy.

Killing innocents is not normal in Modern warfare!

Why did the Germans not kill every man and rape every woman when they annexed Austria?

raumdeuter:
Go through the sequence below

Dany knew Cersei was never going to surrender. She knew Cersei was deceptive and will rather die than surrender
Tyrion told Dany that when she hears the bell she should tell her soldiers to back down
Dany at this point knew Tyrion's allegiance was more to his siblings and not to her
Infact Tyrion will rather see Dany killed and her army destroyed than see Cersei killed
Just as the war was barely midpoint, The bell of surrender that the treacherous Tyrion predicted about started ringing
The surrender that didnt come when she had 3 dragons, full Dothrakis and unsullied now came with less than half of the forces.

A man who has betrayed her multiple times predicted the bell will ring, which was very unlikely given how hardened Cersei was. And the bell rung.

At this point, you think Dany doesn't know this was another Tyrion's and Lannisters deceptive plan?

Surely Cersei who has the authority will never order the bell to be rung, So under whose order was the bell rung? - Jamie and Tyrion the betrayer who doesn't have the authority to do so

If Dany had stopped attack at this point, what would have happened? Cersei and Jamie will escape and be smuggled away by the Ser Davos that was paid by Tyrion to Pentos and the Lannisters will have time to regroup

Not stopping attack ensure that 2 of the Lannisters died which was not what Tyrion wanted. Unfortunately, civilians had to die since Cersei used them as a human shield.

My queation was " how would the soldiers on ground hearing the bell know that it was not authorized by Cercei to continue fighting? These are soldiers that had already surrendered before the bell even started ringing.

The sequence you asked me to go through does not justify Danny killing the innocents. Because she knew Cercei will not surrender so she had to kill every man woman and children in the city? Why did she not go kill the Cercei that she knew will not surrender and end the war.

If the soldiers surrender what will Cercei do?

raumdeuter:
The fight was between Danys army and Cersei's army

In the episode where Missandei was beheaded both Dany and Cersei demanded the other surrender and no one gave in

If the fight was between Danys army and Cersei's army, who has the authority to surrender? Dany or the generals or Cersei and her Generals

Did Cersei or her hand order for the surrender to ring the bell? No

Who rung the bell of surrender? Jamie a fugitive from Kings Landing who was not even allowed into the gate.
Why did Jamie ring the bell? To save his sister and sweetheart as advised by his brother the treacherous hand

Is a bell ring(surrender) by a person not authorized to do so valid?

If Nigeria and America are in a war, Buhari Osinbajo didn't call for surrender but Shekau(a fugitive) or Atiku is now organizing a news conference to say Nigeria has surrendered. will that be considered a valid surrender?

And the civilians who died, That is wholly on Cersei who used them as a human shield and brought them into the gate hoping Dany will be weak and not want to hurt them thereby letting her get away as she has always done

Please can you answer this simple question.

When the bell was being rung, how are the soldiers on the field both Cercie's soldiers and dany's soldiers supposed to know who authorized the ringing of the bell before knowing what to do next?

Ringing the bell is a gesture for surrendering and any soldier still fighting and hears the bell will not start asking who ordered it while in the battle ground, he would surrender immediately.

The golden crown soldiers had already surrendered even before the bells started ringing, it was after the dropped their swords that shouts of " ring the bell" were heard andsome sort of relief that there wouldn't be bloodshed before madam emotion started burning everything and Gregory took it as the cue to continue the assault. He himself pained at the death of Missandei.

ChristoBam:
Look at this one, comparing the Golden company soldiers to the innocent women and children killed. You guys should be blasting the directors for making Dany crazy not trying to justify that nonsense. The more you justify it, the more you look inhuman.

I fail to understand they would even compare what Danny did to what we all know Christie can do.

Danny that has been going around supposed doing good and only killing ghose who either were soldiers that where in the opposite side or generally wicked people will mow suddenly start killing i November and some people are Justifying it.

Cercie has always been a monster so she is capable of doing anything to innocents or perceived enemies.

The killing of innocents by Dany was really uncalled for IMO. She cant justify the killing of innocent people, especially children with the state of her emotions, whether being loved or not

Spy360:
Danaerys and Jon, and all these arguments.

We all have sense, but please follow the sense the creators are giving us.

Danny made it clear to Jon, there are two factors that make leaders- love and fear.

Jon has the love of the people, she was left with fear. Fear drove her to destroy innocent souls including children.

Despite our inclinations, the creators want us to see Jon as the better ruler because love is greater than fear.


Meanwhile, surprised that most of our friends at sports section congregate here too.

The problem with this your assertion is that Daenerys now knew she wasn't the true heir to the throne because of the new knowledge of who Jon really is and he had the love of the people. That simply meant she had lost out on every front if the secret gets out and she knew it would.

So as a Mad queen she wanted to install fear from her part hoping against hope that the secret would not be revealed.

From jons' expression when he saw her burning KL it would be interesting to see how he reacts when they meet.

Danny right now will not hesitate to kill Jon for the throne. Forget the love they share. She is mad about becoming THE QUEEN and ready to rule with fear.

Cinderallagirl:
Jon knows nothing and he will keep knowing nothing

We wait to see what happens. Did you see his expression when Daenerys was doing her destruction?

GloryIsaac:
My point is that she flirted with madness frequently, it was only going to take a little time for the switch to fully flip.

I believe that if Jon doesn't kill her, she will kill him, because his true identity is already an open secret that can spark a rebellion. Similar to Robert's rebellion.

Jon should kill her. Thats if he knows anything now

GloryIsaac:
Exactly. That has always been her aim, and she was going to get it one or the other.

From the beginning, Daenerys has been dancing close to madness, which got worse when her dragons matured ....

1. She watched her brother get crowned with molten gold. Her reason for not doing anything wasn't about him being a douchebag as people here want us to believe.

"He was no dragon. Fire cannot kill a dragon." - The Mad Queen

She clearly wasn't moved because she wanted to see if her brother was a true dragon and he disappointed her by burning!
Her beef with him isn't his stupidity, it's actually about if he's truly a targeryan.

2. She burnt a woman - the witch or whatever she was - alive in Khal Drogo's funeral pyre.

3. She threatened to burn down Quarth if they didn't let her into the city.

4. She displayed arrogance when the king of Quarth wouldn't comply - by giving her ships - as easily as she wanted.

5. She put Xaro and Doreah in his vault, locked them and went away with his wealth.

6. She burnt people alive at Astapor, before leaving with the Unsullied.

7. She threatened representatives with her dragon.

8. She crucified people at Meereen without trial.

9. She executed an ex-slave without trial for the crime of executing someone else without trial.

10. She fed someone to her dragons without trial

11. Then she burns the Khals alive and gives the Dothraki some speech about following her to Westeros.

12. She demanded that Jon - The King in the North - bend the knee to her because he wanted dragonglass to fight the dead.

13. She burnt Sam's father and brother alive without option of going to the wall or some other way.

14. She's bothered that the Northerners didn't like her and is quite ok with the fact that they fear her because of her dragons.

15. Sansa is already an enemy irrespective of her relationship with Jon.

16. She refused North's independence when Sansa talked about it. Same way her mad predecessors did.

17. The first thing she considered when realizing Jon's true identity was him being a threat her throne.

18. She refuses to give the soldiers time to rest before another huge battle. Desperate for the throne

19. She demands Jon to keep his true identity secret for the rest of his life, so that no one will challenge her supremacy.

20. She's clearly jealous of the love for Jon, same jealousy her father had for Tywin Lannister.

"I am no maester to quote history at you, Your Grace. Swords have been my life, not books. But every child knows that the Targaryens have always danced too close to madness. Your father was not the first. King Jaehaerys once told me that madness and greatness are two sides of the same coin. Every time a new Targaryen is born, he said, the gods toss the coin in the air and the world holds its breath to see how it will land." - Ser Barristan (To Daenarys a.k.a Mad Queen)

Guy, i kinda agree with your position that Daenerys didnt really need to go rogue on kings landing but some of your reasons as to her being the mad queen are not quite as true as you want us to believe.

1. At a point anyone would get tired of being treated like a piece of rag even by her brother. The same brother that said he would allow the whole docraky army and horse bang her just so he gets what he wants.

2. Aftr yhe witch tricked her andade Drogo an half dead slowpoke, she should hug her?

3. At that point she was fkexing power, no actually thought she was gonna do it.

4.she was desperate. And yes a little arrogant.

5. They would have killed her. Considering they killed one of her girls and she lost her dragons.

6. Cant remember but i thought it was only that arrogant seller she burnt. That guy deserved being roasted abeg.

7. Well i agree with you here. But the dragons are her greatest weapon to instil fear whether justice or not.

8. This was dicey.

9. & 10. I agree with you.

11. The Dothraki heads were going to probably kill her. It was her or them.

12. This was where her destination started really showing. Jon did it for the greatest good. All she wanted was to be the QUEEN.

13. She was sending a message by burning the Tarlys, but i also felt she could have been a little lenient. Killing them was extreme.

14. Like i said having the dragons had gotten to her head and she was thinking she was invincible.

15. Its normal with women especially when power is involved.

16. Now this one is the most indication that she was selfish and was ready to do anything just to sit on the throne. The madness done dey show here.

17. She now knew all she had been fighting for was for nothing because there was a true heir. It increased her yendency to bevome the mad queen.

18. Selfish Desperation

19. This was the height of it. To her the problem was not even they could keep it secret but that she must be the queen. I know them being related made it complicated but what i deduced was that even if they were not related she would have still demand Jon kept his identity secret so that she would be QUEEN.

20. She was already mad here to be jealous. These people were jobs people and had had a bound with him. They didnt know her and she did not even try to make the people love because she felt she could rule through fear because of her dragons. What had she done for them that she was expecting them to love her. After they even queried Jon in front of her for bending the knee.

sod09:
85m just to send piano man away
dybala can't even guarantee 25+ goals, why waste much

Wetin concern you inside the matter?

How many goals has Sanchez guaranteed us?

GloryIsaac:
Old Boys Association

I recommend Jemba Jemba for DoF jor.

How does other countries copying TSA help us here in Nigeria?

Cheap ego boosting news.

SarkinYarki:
so why are the new Emirs all Fulanis

so why are the new Emirs all Fulanis[/quote]Good kwesion?

Leyqute:
But you said Young is best played in that left side

I don confuse

elampiro:
This is why the comments from people no dey sweet again. People bring in nationality when commenting on the transfer. Samlling, Jones, etc have nothing to do with Herrera's exit. It was a case of its own.

It is an established norm here that anything English is tagged bad. Some have said Herrera is a squad player, then why should a squad player earn 200k?

Did anybody agree he should earn 200k from 75k he was earning before? Squad player or not.

nitrogen:
Bros, every player is a fuvking mercenary. Who doesn't want more money? Is it their fault that the manager is useless?

Both players and coach in this case are useless. Merceneries usually get their jobs done.

As for Ed and the board, i have nothing to say.

Some players will still have the balls to ask for a wage increase?

Ole

Lana1:
But these players greedy sha. No wonder they dont care about playing well when the club keeps rewarding their mediocrity with fat paychecks.

Shaw asked for 195k from 70k. Martial asked for 250k from 65k and someone sat down, opened his eyes and gave it to them. SMH

Its a shame. It seemed/seems we have been desperate thats why they just agree to everything a player wants.

How can Shaw and Martial have such a quantum leap in Wages because they want to play for united?

Theclub does not even leverage on its history, status and pedigree when negotiating.

As a Naija guy, i suspect Ed Woodward dey collect kickback from these players abeg

larride:
You see that DDG is not even among the top earners sef. If they can give that useless Martial 250k and Shaw 195k then there’s nothing stopping them from giving DDG 250k.

I swear Ed is really a village goat. I always wondered how they sign a deal based on potential especially in the case of Martial and not have a clause that protects the club or cushions the effect if the person does mot live up yo the potential. I remember that his contract had some stupid vlauses about balon dor and what not, now to even start a game and be effecyive on the pitch is a problem for him and the club still has to pay 200 -250k weekly wage to him.

What was Shaws wage in southampton before he came here that he is earning 195k? What was the leap?

Is De gea not earning 200k? If i am the club i wont increase it.

Sanchez deal is really a problem!

Martial 250k?? They need to sell this guy asap.

Shaw 195k Chai?

Is it my money

olu98:
bro i dont blame herrera at all. He is very passionate and committed to united. Ashley young is 33 will turn 34 dis year, he earns 120k per week, while herrera doesnt earn up to that. I just read it today that united pay sanchez and pogba 75k per goal and 25k per assist.idiot rashford sef wan dey collect 250k.And you said he cant demand 200k? Ed woodward is a goat aswear.

I agree with you that Ed Woodward is a goat.

The truth is mistakes have been made. It would make sense if these players where playing like the Avengers when on thr pitch but alas these bunch of lazy idiots are not that committed.

Herrera to be honest was a fighter, but for me he was good as a squad player but that 150/175k that married said he was demand IMO was even still too much. It is called negotiations about, you say 200k i say 120k if you dont want go.

These things can be corrected gradually. If useless Rashford ask for that 250k they should just add 25k to his present wage and play all the chances he missed to remind him that the 25k is even being generous. Same should apply to others.

Let everybody know that Sanchez deal was a mistake, if only he was delivering on the pitch fear no go allow anybody wet dey play nonsense ask for anyhow wage, but because baba dey flex collect pension everybody wan inflate their worth.

eph12:
None of these guys have been offered new contracts by OGS and his guys have they?

One thing is sure, that is one senior position to be filled

Exactly. Na for this board i hear say Herrera wanted 200k from 75k wey him dey earn. Which Kain increment be that, even NLC no go fit calculate the %leap based on minimum wage.

If this demand was true, then he had to go abeg.

But Ed needs to still borrow sense concerning some of these old lazy players, especially the English ones.