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life2017:
Lets Start with the bible to get a good background of the story.

Exodus 1 New International Version (NIV)
The Israelites Oppressed

8 Then a new king, to whom Joseph meant nothing, came to power in Egypt. 9 “Look,” he said to his people, “the Israelites have become far too numerous for us. 10 Come, we must deal shrewdly with them or they will become even more numerous and, if war breaks out, will join our enemies, fight against us and leave the country.”

11 So they put slave masters over them to oppress them with forced labor, and they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh. 12 But the more they were oppressed, the more they multiplied and spread; so the Egyptians came to dread the Israelites 13 and worked them ruthlessly. 14 They made their lives bitter with harsh labor in brick and mortar and with all kinds of work in the fields; in all their harsh labor the Egyptians worked them ruthlessly.

15 The king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, whose names were Shiphrah and Puah, 16 “When you are helping the Hebrew women during childbirth on the delivery stool, if you see that the baby is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, let her live.”


17 The midwives, however, feared God and did not do what the king of Egypt had told them to do; they let the boys live. 18 Then the king of Egypt summoned the midwives and asked them, “Why have you done this? Why have you let the boys live?”

19 The midwives answered Pharaoh, “Hebrew women are not like Egyptian women; they are vigorous and give birth before the midwives arrive.”

20 So God was kind to the midwives and the people increased and became even more numerous. 21 And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families of their own.

22 Then Pharaoh gave this order to all his people: “Every Hebrew boy that is born you must throw into the Nile, but let every girl live.”


Discussion
We can see clearly from the bible(Exodus1 :17-19) that the Midwives lied to pharaoh by deliberately fabricating a story that Hebrew women give birth in a special way to cover up their "disobedience to pharaoh's order". Clearly the midwives just could not carry out the order. The hebrew women were not special in anyway on how they give birth. The hebrew midwives only fabricated the story the save themselves from possible punishment from Pharoah.

The fact that the midwives said Hebrew women gave birth early isn't disprovable. the part where they lied, for me, is were they said the early birth prevented the killing of the male children.

Ventura1:
In 2014, a former Governor of Lagos State, Asiwaju Bola Tinubu says there is a need for the country to undergo a revolution.

Tinubu, who is a national leader of the All Progressives Congress said the many years of misrule by successive Peoples Democratic Party presidents had continued to sink the country further into crisis.

The former governor said this in a statement titled ‘A Return to Decency’, on Monday.

He described the 16 years of PDP rule at the federal level as a period of steady decline into disaster. He said, “The longer they rule, the less benefit the people derive.


Meanwhile, Punch Newspaper have deleted the page http://www.punchng.com/news/tinubu-calls-for-revolution/ where the story was published (Maybe they forget the print will still be available)

I opened a thread last year and asked APC to account for their promises in it. Within days of the thread, the APC official website was put down and a never ending maintenance commenced. Check my topic history if you think I am lying.

AdesuwaObasuyi:
The lack of infrastructure is a huge barrier.
It's sad that we are yet to start taking advantage of the opportunities in sustainable waste management as a nation.

Even at that, we have the scavengers who are interested in almost all recyclable trash. Metal, plastic, cartons, wood etc.

EnthronedbyGod:
Sometime in 2017, around December, I was praying in my room and I heard God tell me that the members of the church of Satan had sacrificed 3 virgin girls and where about to sacrifice the 4th one in order to stop me from manifesting.

I couldn't believe it, cos as far as I was concerned my time hadn't come, till I went to a ministers conference and the pastor ministering that day said an occultic man came to confess to him, that they had sacrificed 99 virgins just to stop him, but they couldn't and that's why he decided to confess to him.


This is a true life story and not a made up story.


The church of God shall march on and the gates of hell shall never prevail.

Not surprised at all.

I have always wondered why Nigerians don't separate the recyclable waste from non recyclable ones when dumping them. we have a wealth of raw material wasting in Nigeria.

Thugaa:
With everything i ve written, if you still havent gotten it then you have a long way to go

Lol...

adoyi8:
It makes us give priority to unimportant things.
let me tell you a short story:

in late 1990s when Oyinbo parents were buying toys for their kids, we African children were building our toys by ourselves.
During the vacations, My friends and I will go search all the refuse dumps in Samaru, Zaria we I was born. We will look for used batteries and tins to build tin cars and other playthings. You need to see the kind of things we built then. We were little geniuses.

But our parents did not like it because they saw it as a waste of time. My father made me join alter servants association in my church and my muslim friends were forced to go to the Islamiyya. So, while I was made to cram the Catechism book, my muslim friends were cramming the 99 names of Allah instead of using the time to exploit our technical ingenuity.


Imagine all the time Nigerians spend in churches and mosques. If we had used it to build our human capacity, I don't think we will be importing toothpick today.

Today my child hood Hausa friends and I hate each other because of indoctrination that took its effect later.
Instead of coming together to build a better Nigeria like we did as kids, we only care whether the president is from our religion or not.
If you've been wondering who stole the African child's brain then don't worry because I just told you.

Your arguments don't complement one another. If your parents made you cram religious stuff, how did that stop you from going out to play out your passion in your spare time? Now that you have realized this seeming 'mistake', what have you achieved?

FOLYKAZE:
ONCE AGAIN, I WILL APPRECIATE IT IF YOU CAN HIGHLIGHT THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF CHRISTIANITY TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF NIGERIA.

You don't lay the burden of disproving your argument on me or disproving mine. You do that yourself by proving what you say. And stop twisting my words before replying to them. The fact that I highlighted the christian names of Isaac Newton or Michael Faraday doesn't mean their names gave them wisdom automatically. In fact such religion assumptions is what has led many astray in Christianity in Africa but that doesn't negate the fact that religion isn't our problem.

FOLYKAZE:
You shouldn't have challenged me. These are your words



Thugaa had the wealth of patience for engaging you after you submitted that garbage above. It is your theory, from your own words that Michael Faraday make great discoveries because he bear Michael, and not Mukhail



It would like to say Pan-Africans will celebrate if Slave trade can be reintroduced so that you and your entire family can be sold to Europe since you applaud slavery. But let me be civil.

Sustained growth is what brings development. Europe didn't achieve anything that subdue African development. As a matter of fact, scientific development is universal, not someone's title.



For an umpteenth time, tell us how your religion has contributed to the development of Africa.

@underlined
Mr man look you aren't talking to kid. If you have a point, prove it and stop laying the burden of proving your argument or disproving mine on me. You tell us how Christianity has impeded development or how irreligious folks have out performed their religious counterparts. Simple.

@the bold part, Scientific development is universal indeed but very unequal or uneven. In fact some can't stand any rigorous test of time.. Now you are sounding like what I expected. You shouldn't have tried to twist my words then reply to the twisted version or generalize the phantom achievements of Bini kingdom for all 250 ethnic groups in Nigeria. like you stated, sustained growth indeed brings development, but that in itself is another irrelevant fact because the point of contention here is that religion generally impedes African development or cause Africa's backwardness.

FOLYKAZE:
You shouldn't have challenged me. These are your words



Thugaa had the wealth of patience for engaging you after you submitted that garbage above. It is your theory, from your own words that Michael Faraday make great discoveries because he bear Michael, and not Mukhail



It would like to say Pan-Africans will celebrate if Slave trade can be reintroduced so that you and your entire family can be sold to Europe since you applaud slavery. But let me be civil.

Sustained growth is what brings development. Europe didn't achieve anything that subdue African development. As a matter of fact, scientific development is universal, not someone's title.

For an umpteenth time, tell us how your religion has contributed to the development of Africa.

You are clearly not an upright character worthy of exchange of words with even on a faceless forum.
Tell me how does me asking about why Isaac isn't Isa translates to saying or implying that The name Isaac made the character brilliant? Even if it meant you are right, which you aren't, my comment your quoted before the last one clearly shattered that ambiguity or doubt. Here is my comment you initially quoted when accusing me wrongly before replying to it.

Stop blaming religion.
Before religion we were selling ourselves to white men in exchange for dry gin and mirror. That same attitude is our problem. Why haven't the blacks who were migrated to America and Europe advanced more than their more religious brethren left behind in Africa?

If you dig deep you will discover that most technological breakthrough in the industrial age were directly traceable to Christians or religious folks like Michael Faraday, Isaac Newton and co.
Religion in fact when practiced well is the catalyst for human advancements.

We need to start taking responsibility for what we are going through instead of blaming religion and God.

Look at out refineries for example, we have so much oil that can engage as much as 1 million extra hands when refined but we choose to export them raw and blame God/religion as though God didn't give us oil. Same goes for farming also. We have good whether and water but choose to ignore those only to blame God for the sufferings of poor people. Yet when it is time to steal we deny God.

TabletMan:
LOL... My man it's better you stop deceiving yourself and accept the fact that you're highly delusional.

I don't pray any rosary and I am not experiencing any rubbish things in my sleep, infact I always sleep soundly.
I only form that rubbish story because I know you're fake and your lies on this thread is too much for me to stomach.
I stop following this your myopic, senseless and useless thread when you started attacking TB Joshua, the Pope and the rest of them and started praising some other pastors including that Moka of Lords chosen that has been caught several times renting people for fake testimonies. Till this day you won't see any picture of muoka's wedding because he was involved in secret wedding that was officiated by a man that looks like a native doctor. The man was completely opposite of what the lords chosen people looks like( long beard, rings on his 8 fingers, the hair is pure dread like a reggae man) but you're here praising muoka because you're just a man with flesh and blood being led by sentiment and ignorance due to public . Do yourself and the general public a very big Favour and stop lying that you're directed by the holy spirit. You are brainwashing yourself with videos from YouTube about people who belong to satanist because camera caught them doing the sign of Antichrist unknowlgly, whereas some posted pics of Adebayo and Oyedepo doing their own signs unknowlgly but you choose to ignore it. We only believe in the things we want to believe because we are mortals and have limited knowledge of the universe.
TB Joshua you're accusing of rituals is miles ahead better than most of these pastors you worship.
You said you're first salvation started from the Catholic church yet you said they worship lady of heaven, who possibly can salvation be gotten from people that worship Satan?

You said you're here to exposed the spiritual side of cultism but what I am reading here is off points and doesn't explain anything about your topic. Go and read "Sat Guru Nasarama" and come back here and tell us what expository is all about because your thread makes no sense to sane people that's why most of the people that started it left before page 10.

You are being led by public YouTube ignorance and not by anything close to holy spirit.


Thank you.




Cccc.... Kelechiodo

Any soul determined to rubbish the OP can do what you just did.

OkCornel:
Whilst I agree with you that religion is not the problem of Nigeria, I hope you are not implying the region known as Nigeria today was a backward country prior to the slave trade and colonial era.

Nigeria was as backwards as hell. If you think one phantom wall in Benin now exonerates all 250 tribes/ethnic groups, have a rethink.

FOLYKAZE:
A quick look into books would educate you that Europeans invented slave trading. It is true that there is slavery in Africa. Those slaves are mostly SERFS who are indebted, war prisoner/captive, criminals, immigrants or refugees. The SERFS are paid a little amount of wages to work on some portion of lands, or get married to Chiefs, and in most cases, serve as servants with the right to own their properties. Serfdom is predominant in Africa. These are not slaves, and not sold. Europeans introduced the barbaric system of exchanging human for valuables.

One begin to wonder if Isaac Newton and Michael Faraday became great scientist because they bear Christian names. You, CodeTemplar could have discovered the step to development and your findings show the bearing a christian name or practising a particular religion is the answer. Really pathetic.

Point to where I implied or claimed that the christian names of Isaac Newton and Michael Faraday is responsible for their achievements.
You twist my words then reply to it with partly irrelevant data and partly exergerated facts. That doesn't sway me a bit.

While I await that, the fact that European invented slave trade doesn't in anyway negate the fact that those phantom achievement you listed were subdued with allegedly inferior ones.

FOLYKAZE:
Many of you evangelical and militant christians on this thread have failed to address any of the issue at hand. Your response to Thugaa has exposes you know near nothing about the history of Africa, and lack understanding of concept of Development. The discussion is targeted at Religion and African development, my dear friend is battling with Christianity and Europeans. How does the two correlate?

For educational purposes, Africans have their indigenous religion system before they had contact with the Europeans. The question we need to ask is if the religion and spiritual system benefitted them in term of social development, the answer is YES. Africans were able to treat diseases, build magnificent structures, studied the movement of stars, create a balanced trading system. For example, the Egyptians were able to build the Pyramid and Sphinx (one of the wonders of the world), iron smelting across Africa is a testament to technological growth, the Beni kingdom wall (largest earthwork in the world), and the Ijebu city wall...These are example of structural growth that all have spirituality fingerprints. The Dogons were able to detail far stars. They identified and detailed Sirius B many hundred of years before Europeans could develop telescope. In the aspect of trading, Africans sold gold, copper, kola nut, cotton, fabric, palm oil and livestock to the world.

A quick look into books would educate you that Europeans invented slave trading. It is true that there is slavery in Africa. Those slaves are mostly SERFS who are indebted, war prisoner/captive, criminals, immigrants or refugees. The SERFS are paid a little amount of wages to work on some portion of lands, or get married to Chiefs, and in most cases, serve as servants with the right to own their properties. Serfdom is predominant in Africa. These are not slaves, and not sold. Europeans introduced the barbaric system of exchanging human for valuables.

One begin to wonder if Isaac Newton and Michael Faraday became great scientist because they bear Christian names. You, CodeTemplar could have discovered the step to development and your findings show the bearing a christian name or practising a particular religion is the answer. Really pathetic.

Their scientific contributions would have been ascribed to Christianity if it was done by/in the church or in accordance with the Bible law. You may have forgotten that the church killed Galileo when his findings contradicted their bible claim. Church held that Earth is flat, Galileo found out that it is spherical, hence he was killed for apostasy. That is the impact of religion on science, killings of scientists.

What passage in the bible did Michael Faraday read before he came up with his invention? Which particular verse in the bible guided Isaac Newton to his discovery? A glance into the bible will show you where Jehovah explained how to cure Leprosy, why hasn't WHO adopted the method if it were realistic? What verse in the Bible capture how one can build a machine? So I wonder what fallacy you are talking about as if Michael Faraday was praying in the church everyday and night instead of been in the lab. I wonder if Isaac Newton was reading through the pages of the bible where he found his theories.


I WILL APPRECIATE IT IF YOU CAN HIGHLIGHT THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF CHRISTIANITY TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF NIGERIA.

While doing that, please not that this same religion introduced Slave trading, and supported the barbaric act with bible.

Also note that same religion breeds hatred, divide, disharmony nd create not very peaceful atmosphere, same bible instructed to hate those who are not of God.

Also note that our bible introduced racial discrimination, that have degenerated into ethnicity and tribalism. Israel God is for Israel only, Jesus was sent to the Jew. Discrimination right?

Note also that your religion introduced terrorism. You can start reading up on the history of terrorism.

Note that your religion introduced genocide and infanticide. This practice is still found across Africa today and in Nigeria. Little children are killed in hundred of thousands in the name of not sparing life of witch. An instruction from bible.

I have heard these stale narrative before. I have heard about the phantom skyscrapers, I have heard about our equally phantom mathematical progress whereas most African tribes don't have number system and when they do it hardly goes beyond 150, I have heard about how people sacrificed whole human being to gods for small diseases like typhoid and malaria or even oil spill into rivers. I have heard about how with all our phantom advancements most African tribes were naked and wore leaves until even some 150 years ago.
I have heard of how we were selling ourselves for dry gin and mirrors. I have heard of how the whites subdued us with far inferior technologies than those ego-massaging ones you have up there.

You go to Egypt that had element of European input and take some achievements there then generalize with all the tribes in Africa that didn't even have even number system and expect me to take you serious. You talk of trade system that only came as close as Kano ( a border town north ) and expect me to fall for it equally. If you want to nullify my points about religion not having negative effect on European and American development, then let us also factor in the fact that what happens in Egypt, Sudan and Mali were most of those your phantom African achievement took place doesn't affect what's going on in Nigeria, central Africa, east Africa and southern Africa.
I insist religion isn't the problem but the people.

His followers think it is cowardice.

Nemesis909:
I'm assuming you extend this argument to the yam and tomato farmers ?

yes.

[quote author= post=80982473]God bless the works of your hands.

It is always good and refreshing to see we have some youths in the country working hard and securing their future.

This is just the beginning of good things in your life man.
Keep up the good work.

Following your success story..........[/quote]Useless words. Can everybody farm? Let them give us light we need electricity.

NB: It is easy to figure out u have fake accounts always liking and sharing ur post. 2 likes and 3 shares withing few minutes of posting most times confirms that.

theenchanter:
Lol, nigerians want testimony without test.

They want good tidings but don't wanna bring anything to d table.

I disagree. Why tax people you have been taxing before? Let Fulani's that are in the informal sector begin to pay tax and watch money flow.

SpaceTour:
Oladide Ola Promise, Algbe Joseph, Edogiawerie Aisosa, Osazee Benjamin, Elis Imasuen, Emmanuel Daniel, John Miracle, Emulankpa Godwin, Osaro Kelvin, Oso Kenny and Oghneyerhowa Nelson



Eboes all of them

Edo isn't Igbo.

[quote author= post=80982123]May God punish them wherever they are.
Each and everyone of these criminals will never end well.

The Government should take strict measures on all these crimes going on around.
The House should enforce the death penalty for kidnappers and looters.
This will definitely bring a change to some extent.[/quote]See am. halfhearted talk . . .

[quote author= post=80988549]From whichever angle you look at it, $16 billion is too huge to be swept under the same carpet that has harbored the egregious acts of our past leaders like Obasanjo.
$16 billion can do wonders in the life of any nation, even in the advanced world.
The money is too huge to be hidden inside the pages of a pejorative book that was aimed at self-praise and self-canonizations for which Obasanjo is a class act.
When you rightfully invest $16 billion into the power sector, you are bound to have three giant Mambila power plants; of the type Buhari is building now.
When you have $16 billion thrown into the power sector, you would generate over 10,000 megawatts of electricity and Nigeria would have put its power problems behind it by now.
When you throw $16 billion into the country’s power sector, the multiplier effects would have tremendously impacted on the country’s economy by now and not on a book.
These are hard, incontrovertible statistics that do not need the subjective narration of Obasanjo in a self-adulatory book to explain.
These are raw facts that do not need farther elucidation, fits of stammering or the kind of confusion Obasanjo and his lickspittle are trying to import into answering this simple poser.


Addendum: OBASANJO : WHERE IS THE POWER?!

INEFFECTUAL BUFFON: WHERE IS THE CASSAVA BREAD THAT YOU SET UP with BILLIONS OF NAIRA TO ESTABLISHED.

Incase you guys don't know...... STEALING IS NOW CORRUPTION.[/quote]So we shouldn't expect power and unlike other sector were Jonathan was blamed Obasanjo is to be blamed.

Kazim88:
Who be "una"

I remembered the era of Igbo coup, as if the who igbos did meeting and voted to plan coup and majority let say 50.1% supported the coup and they appointed the coupist to execute their desire


In the same vain, tell me when Yoruba as a tribe support python dance.
Ooni of Ife was among the few elite calling for caution from the federal troops

I have come to accept that black race is cursed by default with very low IQ.

They come online to claim Igbo's are united because of their block vote pattern forgetting there is more to voting.

NaijaRoyalty:
Trash trash trash

Fifth class and Zero in Nigerian politics , but not as poor and unfortunate as the North that has hold on to power for years .

Which Yoruba state is doing well economically apart from Lagos that's obviously a "No man's land"?

Are the top 10000 Igbo men as wealthy as Dangote alone? See you. You harbour so much pain.

Thugaa:
No sir i havent figured out why their names were Isaac and Michael, i assume that since they were born in Europe in the 16th and 17th century, their names should have been Ifagbemi and Ogunribigbe, Lmao
And pls tell us who drove the technological advancement of the united states from the onset, was it the pope and the roman catholic church? I bet not
 If you go back in history you will find that the united states from its onset was founded on the 'American Dream' and if you read about the American Dream you will know its not about the second coming of jesus but that it is about freedom for everyone; freedom of believe and lifestyle. This is in stack contrast to the Roman catholic church in Europe that tried as much as possible to suppress science and intellectuals because they nullify the teachings of the church and the existence of God. They tried to kill gallileo for his findings that the earth is round which was against the teachings of the church and the bible.
Ever since America became an independent nation, it has always encouraged science and innovations, and welcomed great minds from all over the world irrespective of their personal believes, even Albert Eistein found refuge in the united states. And what do we have today? the internet, the airplane, personal computer, cell phone, microchip, etc accounting for a lion share of greatest inventions coming out from the united states alone in comparision to the rest of the world.
Science was almost completely killed off during the dark age (middle age) in Europe by the roman catholic church and not until the church lost its power (which was gradually) that great minds were able to start coming out and publishing their findings and continue with scientific findings and scientific breakthroughs and inventions began to be discovered once again.
So what exactly is your point in trying to associate or commend scientific breakthroughs on christianity, a religion that is total dogma. If you claim you are a christian you should know you have your root and beginnings and you stem from the roman catholic church, they compiled the bible you read with all the stories in it, infact the catholic bible contains more books than the one you use and why was the church founded and the bible compiled? And by who? Go back in history and find out

And these great minds are ifabunmi and okijaeze abi? You confuse epistle for sound argument and irrelevant facts for salient points.

MelesZenawi:
Stale, everybody doesn't need to join una protest.

I wonder why you guys are unnecessarily picking offence with igbos....

You no see hausa fulani...haba

I tire ooo

But need to be all over threads about it. Hypocrite.

MelesZenawi:
Bla bla bla bla bla

What concerns Igbo with Afenifere issue?

This is simply an oodua sponsored protest , so I don't see how this igbo Lamentations came into play here

Same way they installed ur hero.

manlikegb:
Thanks everyone for the love. This goes a long way and I feel even more determined.

It will end in praise for us all.

Good morning,
I am a newbie in the whole process and needed someone who could summarize some part of the process to me.
In particular I am looking to do the BCS exams and don't know if I can still be part of September 2019 set.
Also I visited their website but can't seem to figure which is best for me. They have diploma and two other options.
Also I need study materials for the exams and would appreciate if you could help with these.
Thanks.

Ikengawo:
Jonathan did a great job. Keep saying this while the Fulani you handed Nigeria to kill you

It is funny how you guys take the backseat when the battle for justice is on but once it yeilds fruit you guys are the first to demand respect. Same way GEJ was installed by Yoruba protests and became Azikiwe, an Igbo man after that is what is being played out today. I am sure if Buhari should miraculously leave that seat today Igbo will identify with his successor but the are no where to be found when others are taking a stance.

Useless system.

Mad men with pen...

Abdul05:
if you fool about with matches ,you will end up getting burned.heaven will not fall.A political suicidal.

See am... petrol is burning and this one is talking about foóling with match.