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Dtruthspeaker:
You guys up there are already doing a good job handling him so let me eject!

you think that you know the truth Or you believe on what you were told, not from the Scripture

shadeyinka:
1. Can you please explain what you've said in the light of
Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul . Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

It seems you believe that a human soul can be killed by people other than God. Is this true?

Is killing the body the same as killing the soul?

2. With reference to Gen2:7
Was man a dead soul before God breathe into him the breath of life?

Ezekiel 18:
20 The soul who sins is the
one who will die. A son will not bear the iniquity of the father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the
wicked man will fall upon him. 21 But if the wicked man turns from all the sins he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is just and right, he will
surely live; he will not die.…

If the a Soul or man keeps all God's statues and do what just and right, does it mean that he will not die
You see that this verse talks about resurrection of the righteous.

To back up Janosky points, those that their soul and body will be killed or destroyed in hell are the wicked. They won't be resurrected to life. So they are dead forever.
The righteous and the saved too will be in Hell but will raised up to life when Jesus comes back.

Maximus69:
Don't mind them jare, at least you can comprehend.
It's OK.
Praise the Lord joh!

the early churches in the Bible didn't teach and believe in Trinity. Paul and other Apostles never mentioned it, so why should we??
Trinity was introduced many years after the Apostles death by human-inspired bunch of decievers. Like 250-350 AD.


The Apostles and Jesus only believed in one true God. I follow them.

solite3:
far from it,

far from the truth. What does Colossians 1:15 tells you, also read Revelations 3:14.

solite3:
What do you know about the trinity? Your problem started from getting the trinity wrong, there are evidences in the scripture.
The Holy Spirit is a person,
The Father is a person and the Son is a person but they are one God not different Gods.

continue to confuse yourself.

solite3:
The Holy Spirit does not need to be on the throne, In fact the fact that the Holy Spirit was not seen on the throne points to differences in roles within the God head.

you did not answer my question.
In Revelation 4 an 5, who sits on the throne, is it the Trinity
or the Father
Who is the Lamb

If trinitarians say "God the Father", "God the Son" and "God the HS" are distinct persons but yet one God or Godhead, how many thrones there is in heaven

solite3:
where does the say God in one person?

are you not very intelligent??

1 Corinthians 8:6 and John 17:3 have the answer.....the one true GOD is the Father. Read Rev. 1:5-6
are you eager to find out the truth

DappaD:
Did you later check out the website?

before you told me, I some times check it. I use to go there.

solite3:
so if there is only one God how come Jesus is also God?
How come you call Jesus mighty God and the father Almighty God?

I said that Jesus is mighty God quoting from Isaiah 9:6 and John 1:1.
But Jesus himself said in John 17:3 that GOD is the "one true GOD".
Also, Paul said that we have one GOD who is the Father and Jesus Christ is our Lord. God made him both Lord and Messiah. 1 Corinth. 8:6, Acts 2:36.
Even Jesus had a God and a Father that he prayed to. John 17.
God is always the Father and God of Jesus. Rev. 1:5-6.

cornelboy:
I'm not a JW but I agree with you bcause it's the Biblical truth.

Jesus is a God, but not the Almighty GOD, YAHWEH.

God is supreme over all, He is all in all.

DappaD:
People who really want to do God's will should stick to the truth of the Bible and not manufactured doctrines/spurious addition. It is very vital that one should come to know the truth now, because that's how one can have everlasting life. (John 17:3)

Jehovah God is clearly identified as the Most High over all the whole earth (Psalm 83:18)

Jesus is called the Son of the Most High (Luke 1:31-33)

Any other addition to this is trash!

I'm not a JW but I agree with you bcause it's the Biblical truth.

Jesus is a God, but not the Almighty GOD, YAHWEH.

Trinitarians say God and Jesus are co-equal, are they really co-equal Acts 2:36, God made Jesus both our Lord and Saviour. In another verse, "he was exalted to the right hand of God". Also, all powers were given unto him. Also, he was annointed by God, Hebrew 1:9. In another, he will be made subjected to God at the end, 1 Corinth 15:24-28. 1 Corinth. 11:3, "God is the head of Christ".


Could God and Jesus be CO-EQUAL as Trinitarians say

DappaD:
Just ask him to explain Psalm 110:1 and then sit back and watch the drama

Yeah, I know that verse. But they will still be "head-strong".

cornelboy:
some define it as; three distincts persons whom each is God, yet one God.
This sounds so brain twisting that some people believe it as a mystery.

the Bible is so clear about this, one God Almighty period.

DappaD:
Of course they won't study the Bible to get the true meaning of things. They prefer latching on to what ever their pastors tell them is right without seeing whether those things are actually so.

Now just watch how the clowns claiming their god is a trinity would be defending it on this thread
You're in for an interesting ride though
They claim that their Holy Ghost gives them the same guidance but all of them can't come to a proper definition of their trinity god.

I've already observed trinitarian say:
“God is a 3-in-1”

I've also seen another definition of this trinity on this same thread by another trinitarian:
“God is not a 3-in-1 but one God”

So which of these definitions should we take now? Which of their Holy Ghosts is lying?

See, these people just want to twist facts and Bible truths that can easily be understood upon study. Now give a thought to what Paul wrote in this first and second letter to Timothy

“However, the inspired word[the Bible] clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons,” 1Timothy 4:1

“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.” 2Timothy 4:3,4

And all of this is evident when we see these people trying to twist Bible truths to support their own agenda.

some define it as; three distincts persons whom each is God, yet one God.
This sounds so brain twisting that some people believe it as a mystery.

solite3:
same way Jesus is the only Lord, does that mean the father is not Lord?

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

John 17vv3, Yes the father is the only true God among other gods but Jehovah witness think this means Jesus is not God however the distinction Jesus made was between The Father and other gods, not between the father and other members of the trinity because the father , the Son and the HG are one God.

there is only one God, the Father, no double meaning.

solite3:
How can you call something you don't even understand baseless?

you think you understand, but really you are far from the biblical truth.

In Revelation 4 an 5, who sits on the throne, is it the Trinity or the Father
Who is the Lamb

solite3:
see here you don't even know what trinity is, what are you refuting?

Trinity simply state that there is only one being, God but this God exist in three persons.
The Holy Spirit, The word and the Father are actually one being God.

but the Bible says "one God in one person" who is the Father

solite3:
same way Jesus is the only Lord, does that mean the father is not Lord?

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

John 17vv3, Yes the father is the only true God among other gods but Jehovah witness think this means Jesus is not God however the distinction Jesus made was between The Father and other gods, not between the father and other members of the trinity because the father , the Son and the HG are one God.

tell me one verse in the Bible that says Jesus and God are one God Or where the Apostles in their Epistles talk about "three in one" or "one in three".

Roseey0:
There are 3 persons. But one God

1.God the father_ the almighty. Everything comes from him.
2.God the Son- Jesus . Works for the father's will. Earned his position and the father gave him authority. So at the mention of his name , God answers you. Everything he ever asked for was granted as he earned his authority by taking up the cross.
3. God the holy spirit _ This is the spirit of God at work in the life of those who accepted his son. He is ominipresent and carries out the will of the father. Those who accept the son rely on it to function and understand God better.

You can see all is linked to the father. All working for the same purpose which is God the fathers'

you are right...but where you got it wrong was the concept of Trinity that you used.
Nowhere in the Bible will you see "God the Son" or "God the Holy Spirit".
It's is clear that we have only one God who is the Father. John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Revelations 1:5-6. Pls read these verses and understand.
Our GOD, the Father is not "three in one" or "one in three". He's the one through God.

solite3:
Jesus said the Holy Ghost would not speak of himself but of him,
can a non personal being speak of himself?
if the Holy Spirit is not a person then Jesus statement would not make any sense.

after Jesus was baptized by John and the Holy Spirit(HS) came down on him, you think another being of the Godhead filled him No, the HS is like a form of power of God, not a seperate being.

JESUS HANDS OVER THE RULERSHIP OVER GOD'S PEOPLE TO GOD. He will subject himself under God at the end. God will be all in all Check this verses out: 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 24 "Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet." [3] Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Trinity is biblically baseless.

JESUS HANDS OVER THE RULERSHIP OVER GOD'S PEOPLE TO GOD. He will subject himself under God at the end. God will be all in all Check this verses out: 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 24 "Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet." [3] Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

paxonel:
to that note :
There is the one and only God, that is God himself.
There is Jesus Christ sent by the one and only God
And thirdly, there is the holy spirit(the comforter) ?

You have a point there

But if scriptures affirmed that there was one Yahweh from the beginning, that means these three are one

Jesus and GOD are one in purpose and have perfect unity. Pls read John 17 all through.

paxonel:
whatever verses you see can never contradict what John 1:1 affirmed, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.

1 Corinthians 11:3 ...and the head of Christ is God

Does this contradict John 1:1?
I don't think so.

Because, if you look at it carefully, you will not be confused the word CHRIST used by Paul in that scripture
the analogy Paul was making was between The man(head of the family) and Christianity which has God as the head, not between The man(head of the family) and Christ who is now a spirit.
An intelligent writer like Paul would not possibly make analogy between what is physical(man: head of the family) and what is a spirit(the resurrected Christ who is now a spirit and God) it does not follow.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

neither does the verse proves that Jesus is the Almighty GOD Whom Jesus was with in the verse.
Do you know that the Hebrew word "El" for God means "mighty one"

paxonel:
whatever verses you see can never contradict what John 1:1 affirmed, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.

1 Corinthians 11:3 ...and the head of Christ is God

Does this contradict John 1:1?
I don't think so.

Because, if you look at it carefully, you will not be confused the word CHRIST used by Paul in that scripture
the analogy Paul was making was between The man(head of the family) and Christianity which has God as the head, not between The man(head of the family) and Christ who is now a spirit.
An intelligent writer like Paul would not possibly make analogy between what is physical(man: head of the family) and what is a spirit(the resurrected Christ who is now a spirit and God) it does not follow.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

"and the Word was God" also doesn't also proves that Jesus is the God Almighty.

They think that it's an entity that leaves the body after death and goes to either Hell or Heaven.
What does the Bible says about this Gen 2:7 KJV, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breath into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living 'SOUL'".
Having proper understanding of the Scriptures we see that the SOUL consists of the body (dust) and spirit or breath of life ("ruach" in Hebrew).
When one dies, the spirit or breath returns to God and the body goes to the dust (decays).
So, the SOUL is you. You are a living SOUL!!!

paxonel:
That one was story for the Jews in bible days to believe, not Christians.
I mentioned John 1:1
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.
Is Yahweh not God?
And this scripture affirmed that THE WORD WAS GOD, meaning the word was Yahweh, how do you explain that?
true, he is a spirit, he is a spirit that lives in us as the holy spirit.
where is heaven?
If you think that heaven is beyond the clouds then you have to rethink because there is no place beyond the clouds that is spiritual where a spirit God dwells
Heaven is right inside you!
Your body is the temple of God that's where God dwells

you got some points wrong out of misinterpretation.
Answer these questions:
1. "and the Word was God", does it says that "the Word was the God"?
Definitely that verse talks about two persons; "the Word was WITH God". It's logical to conclude that "Jesus is a God" but not the "one true GOD". John 17:3, 24.


2. John 17:1 KJV, "These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come...."
from this verse who was Jesus praying to, and where was the "person" he prayed to is

[quote author=DrLiveLogic post=91859579][/quote]you think GOD and Jesus are the same beings Read . Corinth 15:24-28...

paxonel:
questions:
1.do you believe that Jesus Christ himself was that Yahweh? John 1:1
2. Where is God located?

Jesus is not Yahweh, Jesus was sent by YAHWEH as the Messiah. We all know that GOD is a Spirit and lives in heaven of heavens...

cornelboy:
If you carefully study the Bible, you would see and understand that the existence of only one true GOD, the Almighty was taught.
Jesus confirmed this in John 17:3, also Paul supported the authentic believe of the one true God, YaHweh who is the Father of all is a single person not "three in one God" or " God in three persons" as Trinitarians says. 1 corinthians 8:6.

cornelboy:
If you carefully study the Bible, you would see and understand that the existence of only one true GOD, the Almighty was taught.
Jesus confirmed this in John 17:3, also Paul supported the authentic believe of the one true God, YaHweh who is the Father of all is a single person not "three in one God" or " God in three persons" as Trinitarians says. 1 corinthians 8:6.

cornelboy:
If you carefully study the Bible, you would see and understand that the existence of only one true GOD, the Almighty was taught.
Jesus confirmed this in John 17:3, also Paul supported the authentic believe of the one true God, YaHweh who is the Father of all is a single person not "three in one God" or " God in three persons" as Trinitarians says. 1 corinthians 8:6.

"in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. The word was in the beginning with God."
My question is; if the the Word (Jesus) was WITH GOD in the beginning and Jesus was God, is Jesus the same God he was with
They are verses that proves that They are distinct beings and God is supreme over all (including Jesus himself). 1 Corith. 11:3.

Maximus69:
The simple logic you can use to unfold all false teachings is in these three segments.

THEORY
PRACTICAL APPLICATION and
BENEFIT

Teachers of the THEORIES should be able to help learners with its PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS so that observers can see its BENEFITS.

Since the second century till today Trinity has proved to be worthless and hopeless, instead of uniting adherents it has continued to cause more divisions, arguments, strifes even killings of the adherents by their own cohorts.

According to the Bible book of Isaiah, Jesus will become the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6-7} this means Peace will reign amongst his followers. John 14:27

Considering the impact of TRINITY teachings,the exact opposite of this is what's applicable, so TRINITY is a fallacy!

you are right bro, when one believes in Trinity, he/she remains confused.