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Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ is, as John told you, God's Word and Law by which your very existence is to be lived by and the very standard by which you will be judged in the Kingdom of God.

achorladey:
You don't even have right to determine whether a person accept or reject blood transfusion in the first place. It is not your jurisdiction.

1. Regarding Jehovah’s witnesses abstaining from blood, do they

really abstain from blood from all of the policies you have learnt all over the years?

Or Jehovah’s witnesses are equally trying to abstain from blood.



What parameters do you use to ASCERTAIN this? This sounds like the pharisee and the tax collector praying. You know the full story abi?





Where were you when this thread concerning the name JEHOVAH was created last year? For your bragging and boasting right, How many times did the name Jehovah or Yahweh appear in the AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION long before the existence of the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION that is not DEVIANT


Did the NAME JEHOVAH originate with

A. Jehovah's witnesses

B. or with does you call DEVIANTS

Kobojunkie:
He was God's Spokesman meaning every Word out of His mouth was the very Word out of God's own mouth, the same Word out of God's mouth we are directed by God to live by - Matthew 4 vs 4 ?

You claim it is a "title", a temporary hat of sorts that Jesus Christ wore and hence with no literal meaning to it, but 2000 years and counting, He still wears said title.... In fact it is eternal title and the command is we live literally by it.

MaxInDHouse:
The truth is like a bullet or injection that when it touches the heart of any listener he or she will never remain the same.
It's either you accept it or start fighting against anyone upholding it. Apostates knew very well that we aren't forcing the truth on anyone but due to the condition of their hearts they are scared each time they see Jehovah's Witnesses!

Kobojunkie:
um....

It is exactly because there is no biblical mention of it that makes your aim deceitful.

cornelboy:
Wow i like your comment. Kudos brother. Wise man.
Tell me where the Bible say you should do blood transfusion

Kobojunkie:
So your aim is to propagate a lie, to delude and deceive people away from following the Truth of God, in the name of God, exactly like the Catholic church and every other church out there, right?

Kobojunkie:
1. Wow.

So you don't see how the very verse you quoted there of Jesus Christ literally tells you that every Word out of Jesus Christ's mouth is not His but God’s Word?

Kobojunkie:
1. The Kingdom of God didn't exist to men before Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant agreement, was revealed to men. So, thy Kingdom come makes reference to the fact that men now have access to the Kingdom of God through Jesus Christ. I don't understand why you need to convolute that simple detail.

2. It doesn't matter to me when it was created... what matters instead is when God granted access to the Kingdom to men, this happened when Jesus Christ died.

3. According to Jesus Christ, in Matthew 19 vs 28, upon His return, those who will be ruled over are those who belong to the 12 tribes of Israel, and this by His followers.

4. All of the righteous are heirs of the Kingdom of God and yes we are all of us called as prophets and priests in the New Covenant - We preach the New Covenant and we baptize those who are saved in His name. But we are not become Israelites nor are we made a part of John's list of 144,000 as a result of being kings and priests.

5. The 144,000, established by John, refers to John's list and that list has been clearly defined as consisting only of those who are sealed by God of the 12 tribes of Israel of His New Covenant. So everywhere where that list is referenced, the core detail remains the same. When you realize this,you would see how Revelations 14 vs 1 - 4 says absolutely nothing of what you claim.

Ofcourse, John's list aren't made up of Aliens but humans who are of the 12 tribes of Israel to rule over those of the 12 tribes - Matthew 19 vs 28

6. Possibly some of the jews they will rule over will also enter into God's Kingdom at the end, along with Gentiles.

7. God never said His purpose for mankind was an eternal purpose, so let's stop injecting our delusions in this. What we instead know is that God created man, a mortal being from his birth and put him to work as steward of this here earth.

God's plan was for men to rule over the earth - that is a part of God's promise in His eternal Covenant to those of the blood of Israel- Forever in the land of Israel - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20.

Then God sent Jesus Christ to reward men with a Kingdom not of this world - the Kingdom of God. Eternal life which belongs to both those of the Old Covenant, and also those of the New Covenant, will be spent where God has promised. For those of us in God's New Covenant, Jesus Christ makes clear what awaits us in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46

8. For explanation of what is written in Psalm 37 vs 29 and Psalm 37 vs 11, visit again God's Old Covenant promise to those of the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. The author of Psalm 37 was simply echoing God's promise His people isreal.

Kobojunkie:
So, I take it that you don't believe in the one who is the Word of God Himself?

achorladey:
And the above will make others stop blood transfusion

achorladey:
You see why it is all traditions of men and LEGALISMS made by your religious leaders

achorladey:
I have not said people should masturbate and people should not masturbate. I have not said people should commit cybercrime or not. Same applies to trousers for men.

achorladey:
Should you go through this line of reasoning then you can only hide behind COMMON SENSE. Since you know common sense is not Bible and Bible is not common sense. The above point is irrelevant because you would not need to quote the abstaining from blood from the Bible since it is all common sense.

achorladey:
Is the sense or common sense behind what you wrote about BLOOD Transfusion or MEDICAL use of BLOOD?

achorladey:
This where your common sense ends. God said you should keep abstaining from blood you decided to extract the fractions or components as it were and transfused it into your body because of the medical benefits. Haven't you violated the instruction to keep abstaining from blood? The means through which you take it doesn't matter.

tctrills:
What does it really mean to drink wisely? Can you see your liver? Can you tell how much alcohol intake would damage your liver? It's not about getting drunk, it's about living a healthy lifestyle.
A lot of people think that the biggest problem with alcohol is drunkenness. It's not.
It increases cancer risk, blood pressure, diabetes risk. So even if you never get drunk, you might be risking your health for nothing.
Is it a sin to knowingly take in substance's that could reduce your lifespan?
In the days of the Bible, they knew very little about the health implications of consuming alcohol but today, we know.
James 4.17

Kobojunkie:
God is a God of Laws and there is no relationship with God outside of His Law. The two prominent of such Laws in the Bible are the

■ Old Covenant Law of Moses, YHWH, God's agreement between God and His people, Israel as Law and constitution over them in the land/Kingdom of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20
■ New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ, God's agreement between Himself and individual men - not groups or nations or peoples - , God's Law over the lives of those who are in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30

It is in His Law that God makes known that which is sin to everyone of those who will choose Him and in the Kingdom of God, the details of God's Law are found in the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ which we are called upon to trust and obey- John 14 vs 1 - 2

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Now as regards drinking of alcohol, and eating of foods, God's Law grants us freedom from fear of any ingestables - Matthew 15 vs 10- 20, restricting us to nothing, not even poison - Mark 16 vs 15 - 19

tctrills:
Is alcohol good for the body? Alcohol damages the liver and increases the possibility of cancers and a whole lot of deseases. Is there any health benefit of alcohol? none except when used as a drug. Is it a sin to abuse your body or to endanger your body? If yes, then taking alcohol is wrong as it adds no nutrients to the body. It only works as a drug.

achorladey:
I know you are aware this is a forum for discussion and bringing this here requires others to scrutinize it.



Pay heed to the term MEDICAL use of blood. The laws given to the Israelites did not have a subheading called MEDICAL use of blood. Does it?




Provide scriptures for the above word for word

You haven't respond to image123 question. You will find it difficult simply because your words here in bold is a huge leap from what the scripture. You cannot support it from the scripture but only use your religious publications as references and reference point. They all form part of what your religious leaders had fused into the scripture of which are the traditions they set up to get members under their control. They come under LEGALISM.




Give us a scripture that state other medical procedures may not be a clear violation of abstaining from blood

Give us a scripture that states use of persons own blood may not be a clear violation of abstaining from blood




Was Galatians 6:5 and the context of Galatians 6 related to anything blood transfusion? Was Paul talking about blood transfusion or abstaining from blood. You decided to pick a scripture and insert it to support the LEGALISM in place by your religious leaders

Kobojunkie:
God never said any of what you claim. Even John, who in his dream visions happened upon the 144,000, clearly said that the group was exclusively made up of people sealed by God from the of the 12 tribes of Israel.

If Jesus Christ had made it clear that both jews and Gentiles would gather at the same table in His Kingdom at the end, and then John mentioned a group made exclusively of Jews, surely you should understand there will be many more in Heaven than John's list and this because of that which was declared by Jesus Christ , the one who is King and Ruler over all who belong in the Kingdom of God. This no be rocket science abeg!

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The Truth of God never changes. In fact His Truth is absolute - Heaven and Earth will pass away but not a jot of the Truth of God will change even then. However, by your own admission, the doctrines and traditions of your JW church changes from time to time, this, according to you, because the church is always studying to discover the Truth of God.

So how can you even open your mouth to proclaim that that which you spew here is truth(or has anything to do with it) when it might all undergo change tomorrow ?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ, God's Law in the Kingdom of God gave His followers - Jews and Gentiles alike - edicts regarding the paying of such things as tithes and offerings. So why do you expect me to pay this tithes and offerings you refer to?

2. Again, Jesus Christ told you that it the Kingdom of God, you cannot serve two masters - God's Old Covenant Law being one master, and God's New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ, being another master.

So,my counter question to you then is of what worth remains in the Kingdom of God for anyone who claims to believe in Jesus Christ, but refuses to obey Him?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ, God's Law in the Kingdom of God gave His followers - Jews and Gentiles alike - edicts regarding the paying of such things as tithes and offerings. So why do you expect me to pay this tithes and offerings you refer to?

2. Again, Jesus Christ told you that it the Kingdom of God, you cannot serve two masters - God's Old Covenant Law being one master, and God's New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ, being another master.

So,my counter question to you then is of what worth remains in the Kingdom of God for anyone who claims to believe in Jesus Christ, but refuses to obey Him?

TayehJiboluwa:
Goats signify rebellion, stubbornness, which are all symptoms of witchcraft. Actually it seems a stronger witch is attacking a weak one. Since it is happening in your compound, pray that the Lord will arrest all witchcraft and agents of witchcraft in your family. You should be wary of aggression and any kind of confrontation for now.

Kobojunkie:
My advice is for you to go and study more.
Isaiah 9:6 says "a government will be on Jesus shoulder".
What did Jesus mean when he said in his model prayer "let your kingdom come", "let your will be done on earth"?

Daniel 2 .....interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar's dream

44“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever, 45 just as you saw that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands, and that it crushed the iron, the copper, the clay, the silver, and the gold. The Grand God has made known to the king what will happen in the future. The dream is true, and its interpretation is trustworthy.”

When was this Kingdom (God's kingdom) created or when will it be created?
Who are those that will rule with Jesus as kings?
Are they only Israel? What bout the gentiles that served God with their life?

Didn't revelation 5:9-10 show that people bought by Jesus blood are made priests and kings ?
Didn't revelation 14:1-4 also suggest to you that the 144000 are the ones bought from mankind, from the earth to be kings?
Are these things hard to comprehend?
Aside the 144000 which other people will enter God's kingdom? Is there any?


God purpose for man was to have dominion over the earth and multiply and live eternally on earth.
Has God's plan for man changed?
Does eternal life means a life in heaven?

Psalm 37:29
29The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.

Will this verse come true or God was lying?

Psalm 37:11 KJV
But the meek shall inherit the earth, And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

I believe that when the kingdom of God comes to earth and restores everything, everyone on earth then will live eternally in abundance of peace, no more evil death sickness or pain...

Kobojunkie:
I am a gentile just like you and so able to point out that silliness of your assertions in this.

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, God never prohibited the eating or drinking of blood for those who are of the Kingdom of God - jews and Gentiles alike - so your argument is moot.

2. The JW practice of abstaining from blood transfusion is indeed sinful and evil because this churches this rule of there's in the name of God when God never gave such laws or statues to anyone in the Kingdom of God to begin with.

3. JW churches are exactly like the Catholic church since they both distort and weave their ideas to decieve people in the name of God. Like the Catholic church doctrines and traditions, all of the JW doctrines and traditions are of men, Lies, that have absolutely nothing to do with God's Truth.

Kobojunkie:
There is nothing biblical about the doctrine since God never in fact gave to you(a gentile) or your JW church(a gentile group) are laws concerning blood to begin with. So please stop lying in the name of God.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are just repeating your dogmas as your kind always do when they can not present any reasonable and valid counter.

And you have not offered any reasonable counter as to how eating can be reasonably stretched to mean the application of healing substances to a person in dire need of healing.



Same as the Catholics who say that there is a place other than hell and heaven simply because of their own "insights from the Bible" that "there are sins not unto death"

And we all say they are wrong! Why?
exactly like you guys, it is human created

For Catholics, WISH FULL THINKING SO THAT THEY CAN THEREFORE PERPETRATE WHAT THEY CALL AND THEY WOULD CALL "SMALL SMALL SINS" IN CONTRAVENTION OF THE LAW OF HOLINESS!

FOR YOU GUYS, IT IS THE DECEIT OF "WE INTEND TO OBEY THE LAW OF GOD WHICH NO ONE ELSE WILL OBEY, SO YOUR PEOPLE HAVE MANUFACTURED A SEEMINGLY DEBATABLE AREA WITH WHICH YOU GUYS CAN USE TO SEPARATE YOURSELF FROM THE CROWD.

HENCE YOUR PROMOTERS WILL ALWAYS SHOUT "WE ARE SPECIAL". THEREBY TAKING IT UPON THEMSELVES TO "PECULIARIZE" THEMSELVES, RATHER THAN OBEY GOD WHO HATH LAID WHAT PECULIAR/SPECIAL SHALL BE, WHICH IS, HOLINESS AND SIN-NONE-NESS AND YOUR PEOPLE, EXACTLY AS THE REST OF THE WORLD, THEY ALSO FAIL IN THIS AREA OF LAW!

All in all The Great and Mighty All Law Knowing Judge, will decide and I am not The Judge, just a little Lawyer Applying God's Diverse Laws to this issue.

Dtruthspeaker:
The Law prohibiting alcohol is clearly proven by the bad and harmful effects of alcohol in distorting the lawful conduct of a person.

The law prohibiting eating of meat with blood is clearly meant to distinguish the man from his similar animal neighbours.

Thus, the use of blood for healing purposes, especially in the absence of an alternative, to preserve life, to my opinion does not violate or qualify as eating, exactly as using prohibited alcohol for treating wounds and cuts.

Kobojunkie:
1. Argue? I am here to proclaim the Truth of Jesus Christ.

2. It is antiChrist to follow the doctrines and commandments of men in the name of God. It is sin to add commandments of any kind to God's Law. So, yes, what the JW do is sin against God, and thus evil in the sight of God.

Kobojunkie:
1. God's laws are not ambitiously defined for us through - they are quite specific in nature - His laws are not meant to be understood only by those highly educated but also by the laymen who He also calls out to.

Regarding blood, God did not forbid the eating of blood for Christians. Instead, God's Law in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, decrees that it is not unlawful to eat anything - Matthew 15 vs 10 - 20 and Mark 7 vs 14 to 23. . We are free to eat whatever we want, even blood as Jesus Christ explained over 2000 years ago.

2. Like every other church organization established of this world by men who are the false teachers and false prophets that Jesus Christ warned His followers not to give their attention to,the JW group is run by men from the sole purpose of forwarding there kingdom here on earth - their doctrines and traditions are far away from the Truth of God and as a result the Word and Power or God is null and void in their group - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 and Mark 7 vs 1 - 13 - there is absolutely nothing biblical about the church's doctrines.

Ofcourse, like most every other group out there they too have manufactured for themselves reasons for why those who Join their camp shouldn't see the powe of God as it was in the time of the first Century.


3. JW doctrines and traditions are of men, just like the doctrines and the traditions of the movement that built the church of Rome, lies, and that nullify the Power of God and render your worship of Him of no meaning- Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13

That's why each time i think of those days you guys kept coming to disturb me, i always pray in my heart saying "Jehovah's Witnesses, may God bless you people for locating me!"

The point is if God commanded us against eating blood in any form, do you think he will accept injecting blood into our body?
I have told you many times, it's personal choice. If you like eat blood or have blood transfused into you

Kobojunkie:
Sin is as defined in God's Law and nowhere in all 613 commandments of the Old Covenant, neither in all the almost 100 commandments of the New Covenant, did God decree blood transfusions a sin. There is nothing evil or sinful about blood transfusions and there is also nothing holy/sacred of your blood.

And what is stated here is not a personal belief but of scripture.