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Kobojunkie:
Sin is as defined in God's Law and nowhere in all 613 commandments of the Old Covenant, neither in all the almost 100 commandments of the New Covenant, did God decree blood transfusions a sin. There is nothing evil or sinful about blood transfusions and there is also nothing holy/sacred of your blood.

And what is stated here is not a personal belief but of scripture.

Kobojunkie:
One thing I avoided doing in my comment to you is attempt in any way to insert my personal delusions in to what is clearly written and expressed in scripture. Again, if you have any actual evidence of a contradiction, I challenge you to make it known or acknowledge you have no evidence to offer.

Dtruthspeaker:
Do not eat meat with blood is The Law.

The law was specific to eating it can not be extended to transfusion.

But any way, you have the ability to lose your life by refusal to take medication however the rightfullness of it is clearly beyond our jurisdiction.

So till Judgement Day then!

Now, it is proven you are clearly JW and not in transformation as you represented to me, but you are keeping your dogmas level, which is appreciated by me.

Kobojunkie:
Why not point out the supposed contradiction then? I definitely want to see how you find the Word of God Himself contradictory.

Kobojunkie:
1. Nothing of what is written in Revelations 14 vs 1 - 4 says any of what you claim of the 144,000 not being of Israel. According to Jesus Christ, those who belong to Him of Israel - those who are sealed - with rule with Him over the rest of Israel for a millenia so it is not illogical at all to realize that they be with Him where He is to do so. There resurrection does not change what Jesus Christ said of them.

2. Neither does Revelation 5 vs 9 - 10 agree with your assertion. The song instead speaks of all the Poeple(Jews and Gentiles combined) who were saved by the sacrifice made by Jesus Christ, not John's list of 144,000 who are, again, only jews.

As for born-agains, even those who will end up in the place of eternal damnation are born-again and they come from, all tribes of the earth. So that group does not help you in any way or form.

Kobojunkie:
1. God only said the life is in the blood.... he never said blood is sacred.

But God commanded them not to eat blood. Taking blood into our via any means (eating, transfusing or drinking) violates God's law.

2a.
. God’s law as given in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy applies only to those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. You, a gentile have absolutely no right or claim to anything that is of that law, unless ofcourse the delusion is strong with you and you somehow believe God to be incompetent on some level.

I never said God approves blood transfusion. Every christian be it Jews or gentiles are more under the law.
What are you proving bro?

2b. Where God said "do nor eat", He meant "do not eat" - as in ingest and then pass out in faeces, the byproducts of eating human blood - so your claim that your blood transfusions are biblical is false, unless again, the delusion is strong with you and believe God to be incompetent on some level.

Don't you read my posts everything i have been saying is that eating blood or transfusing it or drinking it or taking it into the body via any means violates God law.

2c. Jesus Christ, God's New Law extended to Gentiles,instead decreed that in the Kingdom of God, it isn't what you eat that makes you unclean, essentially making it OK for His followers to eat just about anything edible, including blood. So, unless again, the delusion is strong with you and you believe God to be incompetent on some level, you would.understand that the New Law is what your life ought to be based on as one who claims to belong to the Kingdom of God, and not of Canaaan.

Lol so na blood you wan de eat now. Actually at the end of the post, i said " it all comes to personal choice". If you like eat blood or inject am into your body na you own wahala be that. But for me i won't eat it.

2d. God cannot contradict His own Truth, and no human has authority to change that which God has decreed in His Law.

Yes God commanded us not to eat blood. You can't change it for me. Lol.

Knowing this, and considering the volatile relations between the Jews of the time and nonJews, what the disciples did in Acts 15, was prescribe some of the same laws God had given to the foreigners among His people of the Old Covenant, to help Christians living in the region coexist in peace with their majority Jewish neighbors of the time.
If you had infact read and digested Acts 15 by yourself, you would have maybe easily figured this out on your own. The ruling was clearly meant for those who lived in the indicated area, and not for those who lived outside of the zone.

But since it seems the delusion is strong with you, you let others process what is written while you consume what is their vomit at the end of it all.

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Jesus Christ is God's Law in the Kingdom of God and the only agreement by which God has welcomed all of us Gentiles to Him through. If you chose instead to bow to other masters , then surely you know that what you cling to is not of God but of the prescriptions of men.

Kobojunkie:
The statement in bold is not biblical. Blood transfusions didn't were very much a novel idea even during the time of the Old Testament people.

Hismasterpiece:
Read this post https://www.nairaland.com/6711638/very-false-christian-belief-afterlife i hope it helps

Hismasterpiece:
Read this post https://www.nairaland.com/6711638/very-false-christian-belief-afterlife i hope it helps

Niflheim:
Depends on which HELL we are talking about.

HINDU MYTHOLOGY: 28 hells(fictional)

SCANDINAVIAN MYTHOLOGY: 2 hells(non existent)

BIBLE: 1 hell(imaginary)

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS: 1 hell(real, a place where they will deny a woman life saving blood transfusion and watch her die)

Kobojunkie:
1. Where exactly do you have Jesus Christ making this claim of yours to restore the earth back to the initial purpose of God?
John 5:28-29
"[28]Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son,
[29]and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment."
Where will those that have done good experience eternal life heaven or new earth paradise?
29The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.

Did Jesus promise that every believer will inherit the kingdom of God?

2. You don't believe God when He says He will put new Spirit in those who belong to Him - Ezekiel 36 vs 26 - and you don't believe Jesus Christ when He declared that all those who will enter into the Kingdom of God will have to first become born-again(a birth of the Spirit kind) - John 3 vs 1 - 8 ?

Revelation 5:9, 10
9And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,10and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”
If every righteous and good people goes to heaven who will they rule over on earth?

Revelation 14:1-4
14Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.2I heard a sound coming out of heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; and the sound that I heard was like singers who accompany themselves by playing on their harps.3And they are singing what seems to be a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000, who have been bought from the earth.4These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. These are the ones who keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb,
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Bro actually you still have a lot to learn, go study and see these truths yourself. The 144000 are only the ones that will be resurrected to God's kingdom.
The rest of us remains in our grave unconscious till Jesus comes back and we'll be resurrected

3. So you are saying here that you don't believe what Jesus Christ Himself taught His disciples would take place when He returns - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 ? This Truth of God is lie to you?

Matthew 25:46
[46]“And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life
Romans 6:23
[23]For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.
The punishment of sin is death not suffering in hell after death or judgement.

4. So it never occurred to you that Jesus Christ's own disciples were Israelites and and the 120 who where there on the day of Pentecost representated, you guessed it, Israel?

You need to be careful what delusions you cling to. Jesus Christ told you that Israel (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) will be there at the table in His Kingdom, along with those from the Gentile nations. God Is a faithful God and His Covenant with Israel is an everlasting thing.

All the righteous men of Old, will all of them, be offered a chance to sit at God's table in His Kingdom. If you think for one second that the musings of some group can change that, then all you do is reveal you don't believe in God But in the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches).

Kobojunkie:
1. Where exactly do you have Jesus Christ making this claim of yours to restore the earth back to the initial purpose of God?

2. You don't believe God when He says He will put new Spirit in those who belong to Him - Ezekiel 36 vs 26 - and you don't believe Jesus Christ when He declared that all those who will enter into the Kingdom of God will have to first become born-again(a birth of the Spirit kind) - John 3 vs 1 - 8 ?

3. So you are saying here that you don't believe what Jesus Christ Himself taught His disciples would take place when He returns - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 ? This Truth of God is lie to you?

4. So it never occurred to you that Jesus Christ's own disciples were Israelites and and the 120 who where there on the day of Pentecost representated, you guessed it, Israel?

You need to be careful what delusions you cling to. Jesus Christ told you that Israel (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) will be there at the table in His Kingdom, along with those from the Gentile nations. God Is a faithful God and His Covenant with Israel is an everlasting thing.

All the righteous men of Old, will all of them, be offered a chance to sit at God's table in His Kingdom. If you think for one second that the musings of some group can change that, then all you do is reveal you don't believe in God But in the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches).

Kobojunkie:
1. Where exactly do you have Jesus Christ making this claim of yours to restore the earth back to the initial purpose of God?

2. You don't believe God when He says He will put new Spirit in those who belong to Him - Ezekiel 36 vs 26 - and you don't believe Jesus Christ when He declared that all those who will enter into the Kingdom of God will have to first become born-again(a birth of the Spirit kind) - John 3 vs 1 - 8 ?

3. So you are saying here that you don't believe what Jesus Christ Himself taught His disciples would take place when He returns - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 ? This Truth of God is lie to you?

4. So it never occurred to you that Jesus Christ's own disciples were Israelites and and the 120 who where there on the day of Pentecost representated, you guessed it, Israel?

You need to be careful what delusions you cling to. Jesus Christ told you that Israel (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) will be there at the table in His Kingdom, along with those from the Gentile nations. God Is a faithful God and His Covenant with Israel is an everlasting thing.

All the righteous men of Old, will all of them, be offered a chance to sit at God's table in His Kingdom. If you think for one second that the musings of some group can change that, then all you do is reveal you don't believe in God But in the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches).

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ told you that the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) are lies, an abomination where the Truth of God is concerned.

So your claim is not simply bullsheet but also an admission of sorts that you no longer believe in God and His Truth, Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
That is a load of bullsheet and you know it, unless you no longer consider and believe Jesus Christ the Truth of God.

I'll post some bible references later

Kobojunkie:
1. No one is ressurected like Jesus Christ to Heaven, this since Jesus Christ's was not subjected to Judgement before His entry into Heaven. However, all those who will be resurrected by Jesus Christ, good and bad alike, will be subjected to judgment before given either Heaven(eternal reward) or Hell(eternal damnation).

2. According to John, the one whose dream/Vision you reference, the 144000 referrenced are those chosen by God to enter into His Heaven from the blood of Jacob - those who have Jacob's blood coursing through their veins.
Then I heard the number(I) of those who were sealed: 144,000(J) from all the tribes of Israel.

John never infact stated that only the 144000 will be in Heaven this since in his same book, he revealed that there will be those from all other nations in Heaven, this in line with Jesus Christ's own teaching which reveals that many will come from all points to eat at the same table as Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob(Israel) in God's Kingdom - Matthew 8 vs 5 - 13

God will never give to the Gentiles that which belongs to His people Israel, so don't let any man fool you with lies that you become an Israelite when you accept Jesus Christ. God never said that, neither did Jesus Christ hint at any such being possible. So those who think they swallow up Israel by their mission here on earth not only delude themselves but reveal their ignorance every time they utter those foolish claims..

Dtruthspeaker:
Yep!

I like to be in New heaven and new earth or God's Main Land, (Heaven). Anywhere really as long as it is not hell and lake of Fire, then I am very much fine with the outcome

You are obviously JW.

Dtruthspeaker:
For me, the most important thing is that I am no where near those who are qualified for destruction.

I just want to be one of those who shall be one of the inhabitants and dwellers in the new heaven and new earth where there is no more death, hell, pains and evils, that's all!

DeepSight:
@ cornelboy. If you were to be shown a vision of this world as you now perceive it before you were born, would you consider it hellish?

Dtruthspeaker:
Jude verse 23, I missed typing "2" in "23".
"And others, save with fear, pulling them out of the Fire;" which fire?



That's not the question, you asked. So now you are changing post!

And thank God you saw "raging fire that will consume" which was in answer to the question you asked.

And without going much into this, do you real-eyes that you are talking about God and His Power?

Do you think that if God says "you shall die forever, do you think there would be an end to your dying?

Is it not that men sink in the sea? yet The Lord made Peter walk with Him upon it

Fear God O! Whatever He says He will Do, WILL CERTAINLY BE DONE!



Oh, I believe that you were referring to hell as the worsest thing that can destroy a man which people call hell fire or hell for short which is also known as the lake of fire, which is what I responded to.

But if you are looking for hell, the little small one that is not a good place to be, then the Warning of Jesus Christ about it in Mathew 10:28 should be sufficient.

Jokerman:
Lake of fire exist.

The torment there is what is described as "Hell"

advanceDNA:
What’s your point...??
No punishment after death??
Do as you like??

Ihuomanice1:
Read Revelation 22 verse 1-end

Dtruthspeaker:
If you look carefully, also you would see that it is only in what you wrongly call old testament that He said "He would heal the land".

It is not for nought we sing He is the Unchangeable Change



They did!
2 Peter 3:7. Jude verse 3. Hebrews10:28-29.

Kobojunkie:
■ Eternal damnation(aka Hell) is of God's New Covenant (Jesus Christ) and not of His Old Covenant (YHWH)

■ The epistles where written by the apostles as their individual digest of the Gospel and not as a replacement to the Gospel, God's Truth, which Jesus Christ delivered to you.

■ Jesus Christ Himself warned you severally of eternal damnation (Hell) being the final end of those who in the Kingdom of God who refuse to obey Him.

AllahIsSatan:
You'll find out eventually. Just hope that it won't be too late for you by then.

Horus:
The concept of hell and a devil with a pitchfork standing in front of an open furnace, are all things put in your minds by religious leaders for their own personal monetary gain. The more you believe in their concept of hell, the more frightened you become and the more you will pay with money for the religious leaders to forgive your sins and redeem your souls

rottennaija:
Do you think Jehovah's Witnesses follow the teachings of their god when they sacrifice their children on the alter of prohibiting blood transfusion?

solite3:
I pray that Almighty God Jesus Christ open your eyes to the darkness you are in.