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solite3:

Do you comprehend anything at all?

wise up bro your sliding down on a slippery slope.

DappaD:
This particular question has kept solite3 and the rest of his trinity brothers in confusion!

believing in Trinity is believing in confusion. @Solite3; because you were used to Trinity doctrines doesn't it's the TRUTH and you have to defend it, go study the Bible to find the truth.

Emusan:
Didn't you proof that wicked man's spirit/breath of life goes to God by supporting Eccl 12:7?

But this is the fact!

According to Ecclesiastes 12:7 man's spirit goes to God whether righteous or wicked but it's God who'll determine where sure spirit will spend the eternity.

Jesus and His apostles confirmed that God will send the wicked to eternal fire while the righteous to everlasting life.

No, I was asking cos of her believe about soul

solite3:
The humans themselves are the temple/ dwelling place of the holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

when last did you read your Bible
Luke 24:49
Good News Translation
And I myself will send upon you what my Father has promised. But you must wait in the city until the power from above comes down upon you."

you see the Holy Spirit is power from God not a being. Just like your spirit is not a being but life force.

solite3:
delusion of grandeur, you have being programmed to lap up watch tower's junks.

You are talking, yet you know nothing.

solite3:
And there is one Lord Jesus Jesus Christ, however does that mean the Father is not Lord?

Ephesians 4:6 NIV;
"one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all".
Acts 2:36 says that Jesus was made "Lord" and Messiah by GOD.
How do you explain Psalm 110:1, "The LORD said to my Lord, sit at my right hand......".

Are you aware that the "Lord" is a title and the name of God, Yahweh (transliterated to Jehovah like Yeshua was transliterated to Jesus) was removed or not included in many Bibe translations
Even the late Lord Federick Lugard that almagamated Nigeria was called lord in his lifetime.

solite3:
clown,
The Father's throne is Jesus throne too,

The father throne belongs to Jesus just as David throne on earth belongs to Jesus because Jesus is also the son of David.

Jesus will reign on earth in his earthly throne for 1000 years after which he will deliver his messianic kingdom to the father and then reign on his heavenly father's throne forever.

does this support Trinity
Where will be the throne of "God the Holy Spirit"

Trinity is always not biblical.
There's one God, the Father. Simple as that. 1 Corinth. 8:6, John 17:3.

shadeyinka:
John 20:17
Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

You mean Lazarus was a wicked person?

you have no point here. I mean does a wicked man's soul goes to God

shadeyinka:
Double mouth! As in there are several synonym for soul but you've locked yourself into onlyone again.
Matthew 26:38
38Then he said to them, "My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me."
Matthew 26:38
38Then he said to them, "My Inner ME is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me."
Matthew 26:38
38Then he said to them, "My Heart is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me."

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lol, double verse. You mean the soul in Gen. 2:7 doen't mean a being or a person What should it be then

shadeyinka:
Cyclic arguments again.
The soul doesn't have a single definition. It means the Soul, Personality, Identity, Person.

It is your people who have argued vehemently that the soul is a persons character CHARACTER. Except you find it somewhere where my definition conflicts with that of Jesus.

shadeyinka:
Mk12:26-27
26 But concerning the dead rising, have you not read about the burning bush in the Book of Moses, how God told him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? 27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!”

Note that the God didn't say I WILL BE THE GOD OF THE LIVING but I AM THE GOD OF THE LIVING
Jesus didnt say that God WILL BE the God of the Living (as resurrection of the dead is still in the future)

Please don't reinvent English Language like the JW people o.


1 Peter 3:18-20
Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison, that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water


Your question is childish.
Lazarus soul/spirit was with God

if a sinner or a wicked person dies, does his soul goes to God

Pls explain Psalm 16:10, Acts 2:27.
Why did his soul go to hell Why not with God

My post remains valid.
Because a man comprises of just the body (dust) and spirit (breath of God), if he dies the spirit returns to God and the body goes to the ground. This is the Biblical truth. Eccle. 12:7 and Gen. 2:7.

When Jesus was about to die, he commited his spirit into God's hand. Why is the soul not mentioned here
Ofcourse, the soul was mentioned at Acts 2:27
Go study more

DappaD:
Do further research on this!

Ok bro.

pauloskie38:
The Bible’s answer
The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word neʹphesh and the Greek word psy·kheʹ. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” * The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body. Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:

Adam, a living soul, at the time of his creation
Adam was not given a soul​—he “became a living soul”

When Jehovah God created the first man, Adam, the Bible says that “man became a living soul.” (Genesis 2:7, King James Version) Adam was not given a soul​—he became a living soul, or person.

The Bible says that the soul can work, crave food, eat, obey laws, and touch a dead body. (Leviticus 5:2; 7:​20; 23:30; Deuteronomy 12:20; Romans 13:1) Those activities involve the entire person.

Is the soul immortal?
No, the soul can die. Dozens of Bible verses refer to the soul as being mortal. Here are some examples:

“The soul that sinneth, it shall die.”​—Ezekiel 18:​4, 20, King James Version.

In ancient Israel, the punishment for the most serious offenses was that the “soul shall be cut off.” (Exodus 12:15, 19; Leviticus 7:​20, 21, 27; 19:8, King James Version) The person would “be put to death.”​—Exodus 31:14, King James Version.

After a person dies, the literal term “dead soul” is used for the corpse in some Bible verses. (Leviticus 21:11, footnote; Numbers 6:6, footnote) Although many Bible translations use the terms “dead body” or “dead person” in those verses, the original Hebrew uses the word neʹphesh, or “soul.”

“Soul” can mean “life”
The Bible also uses “soul” as a synonym for “life.” For example, Job 33:22 uses the Hebrew word for “soul” (neʹphesh) as a parallel for “life.” Similarly, the Bible shows that a person’s soul, or life, can be risked or lost.​—Exodus 4:​19; Judges 9:​17; Philippians 2:​30.

This use of the word for “soul” helps us to understand verses in which the soul is said to be “going out” or “departing.” (Genesis 35:18; King James Version) This figure of speech indicates that the person’s life is ending. Some translations render this expression at Genesis 35:18 as “she breathed her last.”​—Good News Translation; New Jerusalem Bible.

Where belief in an immortal soul comes from
Christian denominations that believe in an immortal soul get this teaching, not from the Bible, but from ancient Greek philosophy. The Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Biblical references to the soul are related to the concept of breath and establish no distinction between the ethereal soul and the corporeal body. Christian concepts of a body-soul dichotomy originated with the ancient Greeks.”

God does not condone merging his teachings with human philosophies, such as belief in an immortal soul. Instead, the Bible warns: “Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition.”​—Colossians 2:8.

Your head correct jare poster
@shadeyinka, you still don't see this truth

I'm quite sure that my initial post is Biblical, Shade yinka had been twisting it.

shadeyinka:
Death=Disconnection
Physical Death: Disconnection/Separation of the Body from the Union of the Soul and Spirit
Spiritual Dearth: Disconnection/Separation between The Spirit of Man from God
Second Death: Eternal Disconnection/Separation Between God and The Union of mans Body, Soul and Spirit (after resurrection)

When a person dies physically, his body goes to the ground while the union of his soul and spirit returns to God.

With his soul, he maintains his memory, identity, emotion, intellect.
with his spirit, he has a spiritual identity by which he is recognized and differentiated from other spirit beings

this is more of human theory.
No double meaning to Gen. 2:7, when God breath into Adam, he became a living soul or being or person.

shadeyinka:
1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” .
A human being has a body, soul and spirit

Luke 9:28-36
About eight days after Jesus said this, he took Peter, John and James with him and went up onto a mountain to pray. As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning. Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem. Peter and his companions were very sleepy, but when they became fully awake, they saw his glory and the two men standing with him. As the men were leaving Jesus, Peter said to him, “Master, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.” While he was speaking, a cloud appeared and covered them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.” When the voice had spoken, they found that Jesus was alone.
Moses and Elijah were both dead and buried but Peter, James and John were permitted to see them

Rev6:9-11
9And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. 10And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge those who live on the earth and avenge our blood?” 11Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed
You may argue that this is an allegory but if the scenario is impossible the scriptures would not have used it. The souls who had been killed had their memory and emotion, they were each given a white robe, they could hear the next instruction to wait until...

1 Samuel 28:3–25
11 Then the woman asked, “Whom shall I bring up for you?”

“Bring up Samuel,” he said.

12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, “Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!”
15 Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”

“I am in great distress,” Saul said. “The Philistines are fighting against me, and God has departed from me. He no longer answers me, either by prophets or by dreams. So I have called on you to tell me what to do.”

16 Samuel said, “Why do you consult me, now that the Lord has departed from you and become your enemy? 17 The Lord has done what he predicted through me. The Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to one of your neighbors—to David. 18 Because you did not obey the Lord or carry out his fierce wrath against the Amalekites, the Lord has done this to you today. 19 The Lord will deliver both Israel and you into the hands of the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The Lord will also give the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines.”
The Witch of Endor and Saul. Who did Saul see? A demon or the spirit of Samuel? But then, even the witch was surprised at what came up. WHY?

Luke 16:19–31
The Story of Lazarus and the Rich man is meaningless without looking at the context of judgement If it was jus t a parable, why would Jesus use that which is completely wrong to illustrate a spiritual truth.

I know you would think that you have won the debate, but wait:

If God did not anwer Saul by Urim, the prophets, visions and such like why would you think the "soul" of an annointed prophet of God would be brought up by a witch
That is impersonation of the dead by evil spirit or demons.
What the impersonated Samuel said was not totally true, he said all his sons will die, whereas not all of them died.

Concerning Elijah at transfiguration, Elijah was caught up to heaven, he did not die. Read your Bible well.
Also Moses body was carried by an angel, and I don't know what he did to Moses' body.

shadeyinka:
But human beings have a body, soul and spirit.
1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ”

Let me play along with you:
At death, the spirit goes to God and the body goes to the earth/ground: where does the soul go to?

Here is your answer Acts 2:27, King James Bible
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Peter quoted this verse from Psalm 16:10, it was a prophecy and was fufilled at Jesus' resurrection.

You should ask yourself that, because I don't believe the "soul" the way you believe it.

Pls how do you explain that verse with your believe, you think Jesus' "spiritual soul" went to hell

I hope you are still aware of the various translations for "soul" in the Bible?

shadeyinka:
Of course the Spirit of Man in union which his SOUL(His Personal Identity) goes to God. There is no contradiction.
That is why Abraham could be identified as well as Lazarus and the Richman.

God is not he God of the Dead but of the living.
Mk12:26-27
26 But concerning the dead rising, have you not read about the burning bush in the Book of Moses, how God told him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? 27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!”

you need to study that whole chapter more and understand fully.
Jesus was only pointing to resurrection of the dead.
When Paul said in one his Epistles that, those that died in the Lord fell asleep, what does it mean

When Jesus died, do you think his soul lived somewhere before resurrection

When Jesus raised up Lazarus too, did his soul live somewhere before he rised up

shadeyinka:
Dont put your words into my mouth! Are angels real beings? Is God a real being?
Being a real bean has nothing to do with having physical bodies.

God and the angels are spiritual bodies. We human are physical beings. It's God's spirit that gives us life. When we die the spirit leaves, life ends and body decays.

shadeyinka:
Dont put your words into my mouth! Are angels real beings? Is God a real being?
Being a real bean has nothing to do with having physical bodies.

God and the angels are spiritual bodies. We human are physical beings. It's God's spirit that gives us life. When we die the spirit leaves, life ends and body decays.

shadeyinka:
Dont put your words into my mouth! Are angels real beings? Is God a real being?
Being a real bean has nothing to do with having physical bodies.

God and the angels are spiritual bodies. We human are physical beings. It's God's spirit that gives us life. When we die the spirit leaves, life ends and body decays.

sonmvayina:
No, what does that mean?.. I am igbo from delta state, I follow our omenani.. I. e laws and customs.

pls this thread is for christians.

shadeyinka:
If we are not in agreement with what the SOUL is, how can you comprehend where the soul goes.

Check the interlinear translation

let assume that I believe the soul as you believe, where does it goes after death

shadeyinka:
Animals have their SOULs, for the Soul is the seat if Personal Identity of a person. The soul is the person I refer to as Me, I, Myself etc.
Angels even though are without physical bodies have their soul as their Individual Identity and the same with demons

A Human being has a Physical BODY and a Spiritual BODIES by which they function in both the Physical Realm and the Spiritual Realm.

Death is just a disconnection between the Physical Identity of a man and the Union of his Soul and Spirit.


Each of your Identity is YOU individually and as a union.
Your Body even at death is YOU
Your Soul is YOU
Your Spirit is YOU

I believe that humans don't have a spiritual bodies or else prove your claim with the scripture

sonmvayina:
Exactly.. It will become one with God... So which one is Jesus saving?

When I say that Jesus is totally irrelevant to both God and man, people will look at me with corner eye.. Like I don't know what I am saying..
I will say it again.. Jesus is useless to both man and God..

which planet dem carry you come from I know that you are a LDS member, you believe in universal salvation.
Read your Bible more, than book of Mormon.

shadeyinka:
Animals have their SOULs, for the Soul is the seat if Personal Identity of a person. The soul is the person I refer to as Me, I, Myself etc.
Angels even though are without physical bodies have their soul as their Individual Identity and the same with demons

A Human being has a Physical BODY and a Spiritual BODIES by which they function in both the Physical Realm and the Spiritual Realm.

Death is just a disconnection between the Physical Identity of a man and the Union of his Soul and Spirit.


Each of your Identity is YOU individually and as a union.
Your Body even at death is YOU
Your Soul is YOU
Your Spirit is YOU

Wow, now I know what you believe in.
You are not right.
You think Adam at the time of creation had a spiritual being and operate in spiritual realm
I don't believe in spiritual being in a person.

shadeyinka:
Very wrong
When you kill the body, what happens to LIFE?
And if perchance the NT wrongly called Spirit as SOUL, then the "Animating Being in a Man" CANNOT be killed by man rendering all your argument irrelevant. As you have proved that something lives ON after the Physical Death.

Matthew 10:28
28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

You forget that the NT is careful to distinguish between the SOUL and SPIRIT unlike the OT

The bible Says "God is a Spirit": but does God also have a SOUL?
Lev26:11
11 I will make my dwelling among you, and My Soul shall not abhor you
Judges 10:16
And they put away the strange gods from among them, and served the Lord: and His Soul was grieved for the misery of Israel.

Leviticus 26:11, 30
I will make my dwelling among you, and My Soul [Hebrew, nap-si from nephesh] shall not abhor you. ... And I will destroy your high places and cut down your incense altars and cast your dead bodies upon the dead bodies of your idols, and my soul [ nap-si] will abhor you.

Isaiah 42:1
Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom My Soul [ nap-si] delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.

Jeremiah 32:41
I will rejoice in doing them good, and I will plant them in this land in faithfulness, with all my heart and all My Soul [ nap-si].

Matthew 12:18
Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom My Soul [Greek, psyche] is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles.

Hebrews 10:38
but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, My Soul [psyche] has no pleasure in him.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the breath returns to God who gave it. (NRSV)

When one dies, it's crystal clear that the spirit from God which gives life (Job 33:4) returns to God who gave it, while the body decays. So life ends here.
It's when Jesus comes back that the dead will be raised to life through GOD's power.
Nothing lives on after death, the spirit is like a "life force".

What do you think "to kill the body means"
Also if a person dies, what remains of him

PastorAIO:
I thought that what I want to say is clear enough. However I am happy to repeat it again.

You, sir, in spite of your pretensions to correct other people's understanding of 'Soul' have proven yourself to be quite confused.

I have come to the conclusion that the source of this confusion is due to the fact that the text of the bible was originally written in many foreign languages that are no longer extant, and then later translated into English.

Consider your opening post:



Take your opening line: They think that it's an entity that leaves the body after death

This is confounded by Shadeyinka's quotation from the bible, genesis 35:18

18And as her soul was departing (for she was dying), she called his name Ben-oni;g but his father called him Benjamin


Surely at this point you ought to have stopped and thanked her for enlightening you. I certainly felt enlightened myself.

I can assume too that you are confused yourself.
If Shade yinka says that it's the SOUL that gives life, then it converse Job 33:4 and Gen 2:7.
Some Bible translation put that Gen. 35:18 differently.
My main point is that, when one dies, the breath or spirit returns to God who gave it and the body goes to the ground.

PastorAIO:
Hmmm..... see all this confusion. It prompts me to ask again. Is Hebrew Nephesh (translated as soul) the same as Greek Psyche (also translated as soul).

Even within Hebrew we can ask, is Nismat the same as Ruach. Why then did they coin two different words for the same thing?

When the desperation caused by our ignorance of these foreign cultures leads us to start taking meanings from the English dictionary instead of studying how the original people used the terms then we know that we have progressed from farce to tragedy.

are you a Hebrew yourself So stop "forming" and say whatever you want to say

Janosky:
After all the noise solite3 done make upandan
Solite3's Jesus the almighty God in heaven get him heavenly Father wey own the throne whereas,
Jesus almighty God no get throne in heaven, na him Father throne

Bros, your MUMU done do cast

Solite3 is our brother, let's repect him. He only needs to know the truth.

sonmvayina:
Yes... We are all gods..

Now I see. Are you a LDS member?

sonmvayina:
He is finding it difficult because it is against his illusions and what he has been brainwashed to believe..

do you believe in pre-existence