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Christianity EtcRe: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by cornelboy(f): 8:46pm On Sep 25, 2023
UnabashedIPOB:
The Apostle Simon Peter was armed and he cut off the ear of Malchues, the priest's servant when they came to arrest Jesus Christ. Did Jesus Christ condemn him? Absolutely NOT! He only told Peter, to sheath the sword because it was NOT the time for that. The reason was that Jesus submitted to His Father’s plan and let Himself be apprehended and crucified to fulfill Scripture and pay for the sins of the world. It was not because what Simon Peter did was forbidden.
Matthew 26:52-56
[52]“Put away your sword,” Jesus told him. “Those who use the sword will die by the sword.

After that incident, where else did they defend themselves? Or use physical swords or weapons?

After they received the holy spirit, many things were clear to them and they never lift weapons against anyone. They preached peace and lived it.
God was their protector.

2 Corinthians 10:3-5
[3]We are human, but we don’t wage war as humans do.
[4]We use God’s mighty weapons, not worldly weapons, to knock down the strongholds of human reasoning and to destroy false arguments.
[5]We destroy every proud obstacle that keeps people from knowing God. We capture their rebellious thoughts and teach them to obey Christ.
Christianity EtcRe: Immorality Amongst Jehovah Witnesses by cornelboy(f): 7:49pm On Sep 25, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
I'm not interested in wasting my time with the one who has already declared himself enemy of reasonableness because he will continue to invite everyone to come and support him against you even those he often refer to as BRAINLESS FOOLS will become his ally now that this is about JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! wink
We will leave him to his foolishness sir!
Christianity EtcRe: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by cornelboy(f): 7:48pm On Sep 25, 2023
UnabashedIPOB:
You're misinterpreting the Bible that you're reading. A word about the “slap” that Jesus says we should endure. Jesus here speaks of personal slights of any kind. The slap (or the “smiting,” as the KJV has it) does not have to involve literal, physical violence. Even in our day, a “slap in the face” is a metaphor for an unexpected insult or offense. Did someone insult you? Let him, Jesus says. Are you shocked and offended? Don’t be. And don’t return insult for insult. Turn the other cheek. At no time was Jesus telling you to turn the other cheek when someone comes to kill you otherwise, you would NOT be alive to turn the other cheek. Can a dead person turn the other cheek? Absolutely NOT. It's only a living person who can turn the other cheek. So, my friend, you do NOT even understand the Bible that you're quoting. If Jesus Chris meant turning the other cheek in the face of death, HE would never have said to turn the other cheek. There would be no point in turning the other cheek because you would be dead!
Lol you only addressed the slap, what about the others I quoted? I don't even agree with your interpretation.

No apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ defended themselves during persecution and attacks.
They depended on God for their protection. Many were killed and persecuted, yet they didn't fight back. They remained harmless and peaceful.
Some of them left their home and dispersed.
Christianity EtcRe: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by cornelboy(f): 5:06pm On Sep 25, 2023
UnabashedIPOB:
I really do NOT get your point. I asked you a simple question to show me where in your own specific Bible it says that you should NOT defend yourself from an enemy who came to kill you but to keep praying. Instead of answering the question, which I know you can NEVER answer if you're honest with yourself, you tried to sidestep it. The genesis of this whole conversation is how Christians should defend themselves from attacks or violence. I and most reasonable people including the white man who brought Christianity to you are of the opinion that it's your God-given right to defend yourself from any attacks no matter who the perpetrator is. But you on the other hand along with the majority of African Christians especially Nigerians believe that you should do nothing but only pray to GOD to come from heaven to fight for you when your life is in peril. That my friend, is a misguided understanding of GOD's teachings! Like I said earlier, you believe what you believe until your life is taken from you.
Where did the early apostles's of Christ and early church fight and defend themselves?
What do you understand by "love and pray for your enemies"?
What does "if you were slapped on the right cheek turn the other cheek" mean?
What does "be harmless like a dove but be wise like serpent" mean?

Can you bring just a single verse that says we should defend ourselves with weapons or anything?

You really need to start reading your Bible.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Don’t Jw Fathers Sit For Their Daughter Who Gets Married To Non Witness? by cornelboy(f): 5:01pm On Sep 25, 2023
BluntCrazeMan:
Come back again.

Is the universe actually non-living??

Are the suns and stars and planets and galaxies actually non-living??

Or your seeing their various galactic forms of lives as lifeless,, just because they don't live their lives like the carbon-based lives here on earth?


The Universe is so intelligent on its own.
Even the galaxies, and filaments.
That's why they produce exact amounts of dark-matter on their own, just to balance their momentums..

Was it the “intelligent humans” who told the galaxies to do what they had to do in order to remain balanced while in their galactic motion?

The Universe itself is Zillion times more intelligent than the most intelligent human being ever.
So, don't ever go there.!!



For any Creation, there is a purpose.
I repeat..
What was the purpose for the creation of this particular universe?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Don’t Jw Fathers Sit For Their Daughter Who Gets Married To Non Witness? by cornelboy(f): 5:01pm On Sep 25, 2023
BluntCrazeMan:
Come back again.

Is the universe actually non-living??

Are the suns and stars and planets and galaxies actually non-living??

Or your seeing their various galactic forms of lives as lifeless,, just because they don't live their lives like the carbon-based lives here on earth?


The Universe is so intelligent on its own.
Even the galaxies, and filaments.
That's why they produce exact amounts of dark-matter on their own, just to balance their momentums..

Was it the “intelligent humans” who told the galaxies to do what they had to do in order to remain balanced while in their galactic motion?

The Universe itself is Zillion times more intelligent than the most intelligent human being ever.
So, don't ever go there.!!



For any Creation, there is a purpose.
I repeat..
What was the purpose for the creation of this particular universe?
Lol you can pretend all you want that you don't know what I meant by living.
I'm referring to life as in cells, tissues, DNA etc.

So was life on earth started by chance also or it was consciously planned by the universe?

See everything you're saying points that there's a conscious and intelligent being behind the universe. Nothing came by chance or out of nothing.
Everything was planned.

The universe is like a programmed machine that does the same thing continuously and doesn't change. Whereas humans keep increasing in knowledge, exploring, inventing a lot of things and achieving great feats.

You have to take that back. Humans are more intelligent.

If the universe doesn't have a purpose, would there be planet earth, would there be man, would there be science, would the be Nairaland?

Have you ever felt grateful that you were given birth to?
The ability for humans to procreate can never be by chance. Everything was planned.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Don’t Jw Fathers Sit For Their Daughter Who Gets Married To Non Witness? by cornelboy(f): 4:19pm On Sep 25, 2023
BluntCrazeMan:
This discussion is not about me.
We are still talking about the universe.
So, don't try to divert to me.


And if you must come to me,,
Then, what is the purpose of man?
What is the purpose of me being here at this spot and time of the existence of the universe?

The universe is not in existence just because of humans..
And my existence is not special to the existence of the Universe.

I am just part of the Balance of Universe.
Okay lemme rephrase what I said, if the universe didn't have a purpose and wasn't created, would we be here today?
That's even a small issue.

How did an unintelligent universe bring forth intelligent beings?
How did a non-living universe formed life on earth?
By chance? No way!

It's more reasonable to believe that there's an intelligent being behind universe than to say everything came by chance.
I will take it as if everything you were saying since came by chance, you never meant them
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do We Have So Many Religious Centres, Yet Remain A Highly Corrupt Country? by cornelboy(f): 3:42pm On Sep 25, 2023
OkCornel:
Ehya, so by your logic - Apostle Paul was referring to the gentiles as atheists here right?

Romans 2 v 14-16;
14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.

15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.


Boy, shift abeg.
Oh did Apostle Paul have a religion, did he not preach a religion?
Ọmọ é be like say this guy no know wetin religion means sha cheesy cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do We Have So Many Religious Centres, Yet Remain A Highly Corrupt Country? by cornelboy(f): 3:35pm On Sep 25, 2023
OkCornel:
Just read the bolded part of your message and ask yourself if you made any iota of sense in what you just wrote.

Cc: achorladey
It makes sense to me.
Living by our individual intuition, conscience and knowledge is the same thing atheist do.
So if you say we don't need religion before we differentiate between right and wrong, it's same as saying we don't need God.
Perhaps it requires a lot of sense to understand what I'm saying.

Surprisingly you claim that you believe in the creator, so who's this creator and how did you know him ??
Christianity EtcRe: Immorality Amongst Jehovah Witnesses by cornelboy(f): 3:28pm On Sep 25, 2023
Ken4Christ:
So, are you righteous?
Are you a sinner?
Christianity EtcRe: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by cornelboy(f): 3:27pm On Sep 25, 2023
UnabashedIPOB:
I did NOT think so! Why should there be wahala?
I'm a true Christian because I follow every Christ teachings and commandments.

Are you a true Christian?
Okay what's your religion?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do We Have So Many Religious Centres, Yet Remain A Highly Corrupt Country? by cornelboy(f): 3:25pm On Sep 25, 2023
OkCornel:
Oh nice, you’ve been asking about the “God” I believe in right from when you started quoting me?

Go and read your questions again.
So have you answered the question?
"Where did you get the info that 'intuition, knowledge and knowledge are sufficient' from?"
I was trying to know whether you got the idea from your God. That's why I have been asking who God is and how did you know him?

If you're saying we should all follow our personal intuition, knowledge and conscience, it's same as an atheist that claims there's no God.

So who's your God, how did you know him?
Christianity EtcRe: If You Know About Souls Please Answer! by cornelboy(f): 3:19pm On Sep 25, 2023
22jumpstreet1:
life has no end...
it is a circle. death is just a point on it...
Lol I meant life of a particular individual.
Christianity EtcRe: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by cornelboy(f): 3:04pm On Sep 25, 2023
UnabashedIPOB:
That's NOT even a hard choice to make. I was born an IPOB and you can take your fake a$$ Christianity and shove it where the sun doesn't shine!
No wahala
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do We Have So Many Religious Centres, Yet Remain A Highly Corrupt Country? by cornelboy(f): 3:03pm On Sep 25, 2023
OkCornel:
If you were half as clever as you think you are, you’d have figured out by now I threw you a bone which you’ve swallowed hook, line and sinker.

You are more interested in the “God” I believe in rather than the subject matter at hand.

Abeg shift.
Lol what was the subject at hand?

I have been asking the question right from the start of the discussion, haven't I wink
But you keep dodging it. Cool cool
Christianity EtcRe: If You Know About Souls Please Answer! by cornelboy(f): 2:46pm On Sep 25, 2023
22jumpstreet1:
death means 'A return to default 'the breath returns to God
the body returns to the earth..
I'd rather say death is the permanent cessation of life. There nothing like "a return to default".
Christianity EtcRe: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by cornelboy(f): 2:41pm On Sep 25, 2023
UnabashedIPOB:
Well, if you have the balls and man enough, comot me!
You would have to choose between ipob and true Christianity cheesy cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by cornelboy(f): 2:29pm On Sep 25, 2023
UnabashedIPOB:
I did NOT think so! Why should there be wahala?
Comot your ipob wahala here jor
Christianity EtcRe: Why Don’t Jw Fathers Sit For Their Daughter Who Gets Married To Non Witness? by cornelboy(f): 2:27pm On Sep 25, 2023
BluntCrazeMan:
For any Creation, there is a purpose for it.. right?
What is the purpose of the universe?
If the universe didn't have a purpose and wasn't created, would you be here?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do We Have So Many Religious Centres, Yet Remain A Highly Corrupt Country? by cornelboy(f): 2:15pm On Sep 25, 2023
OkCornel:
Oh… tell me more. Mankind and the law started in Nigeria, keep on educating us. We are learning
Lol
I'd like to know this your nameless God haha
Christianity EtcRe: How Should Christians/believers Defend Themselves From Attack And Violence? by cornelboy(f): 2:13pm On Sep 25, 2023
UnabashedIPOB:
You're NOTHING but a CINO (Christian In Name Only). I am certain you do NOT even know or follow the tenets of Christianity but as always, you will be on a platform espousing what you have no knowledge or understanding about. Go ahead with your true Christianity and keep wallowing in your first degree of ignorance!
No wahala
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do We Have So Many Religious Centres, Yet Remain A Highly Corrupt Country? by cornelboy(f): 2:01pm On Sep 25, 2023
OkCornel:
How did mankind develop those laws in the first place? No input from conscience, intuition or morals, but all input from religion abi?

Tell me another joke.
The laws in Nigeria today, do you know anything about how they established them?

Should we follow laws set by some certain people or should we follow our personal intuition and conscience?

You haven't still and questions about your God smiley wink
Christianity EtcRe: Corrupt Politicians—what God’s Kingdom Will Do by cornelboy(f): 1:49pm On Sep 25, 2023
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Christianity EtcRe: Immorality Amongst Jehovah Witnesses by cornelboy(f): 1:45pm On Sep 25, 2023
jaephoenix:
Lol. This guy. Answer this question.
Doctors are quiet.
All doctors are quiet.

Are these 2 sentences the same? Did you see me use the word 'all'?
Did you complete high school English
You completely ignored the screenshots I posted to back my claim that Aemmyjah denied JWs are culpable, and now you're chasing non existent shadows.
At least the world now knows how you guys twist and turn when caught
Na now I know say you no sabi anything for English.
"You guys" refers to who?

Christianity EtcRe: Immorality Amongst Jehovah Witnesses by cornelboy(f): 1:40pm On Sep 25, 2023
jaephoenix:
Heres some of the denials. I didn't get all the screenshots. Had to upload them since Nairaland allows only 4 pics
https://ibb.co/zXKFdcR
https://ibb.co/dLCnGK0
https://ibb.co/qWb187q
https://ibb.co/mqsN4V7
https://ibb.co/fkN7xjk
https://ibb.co/jbsngdZ
https://ibb.co/fkcYBn0
https://ibb.co/7KLnRHz
You want him to agree with you when you said "you guys are gays, rapists etc"? 🤦🏾‍♂️
Which kind school you come go cheesy cheesy undecided

Christianity EtcRe: Why Do We Have So Many Religious Centres, Yet Remain A Highly Corrupt Country? by cornelboy(f): 1:31pm On Sep 25, 2023
OkCornel:
Awwn, someone is backtracking.

Before mankind learnt how to write. How were they able to distinguish right from wrong? Hmmm?

By religion abi? cheesy
See you if you don't want to answer my question it's okay.

I told you already that living base on our personal intuitions, consciences and knowledge would cause disastrous problems in the society. That's the reason why we have laws and orders in the first place.

If we wanna have a meaningful discussion, you have to tell me the name of your God and how you knew about him. What are his plans for his creation? Don't he or she have any set of rules for us in other to live peacefully among one another?
He or she just wants us to live according to our intuitions and die, then what else?
Christianity EtcRe: Immorality Amongst Jehovah Witnesses by cornelboy(f): 1:16pm On Sep 25, 2023
jaephoenix:
Lol. Nobody said all JWs are mol@stors and rapists. And it's not even possible for every single member of an organization or denom to be r@pists. And I definitely didn't say it.
You're twisting my words. I told you there are dirty stories about your organization and you came out plainly to deny them. I have sent screenshots of your plain denials. Please tell me I made them up. Lol 😆
You are lying through your teeth lol

Christianity EtcRe: Why Don’t Jw Fathers Sit For Their Daughter Who Gets Married To Non Witness? by cornelboy(f): 1:05pm On Sep 25, 2023
BluntCrazeMan:
The universe is governed by the “universal balance”, which scientists broke down into “universal laws”.
Some scientists are even trying to find that one single law which they would prefer to call the “universal law of balance”.

Meanwhile...
The universal balance has no mastermind.
Nobody created it.
It started existing the moment the universe started existing..

The universal balance on its own doesn't mastermind the universe,, rather it keeps the universe running.
I disagree with you.
Those scientist with their tiny brains think they can full grasp how the universe work and how vast the universe is lol.
What makes the universal balance keep the universe running?

The balance in the universe alone proves that it was carefully designed and planning by someone. There must be a cause and effect. Nothing can just spring out of nowhere. Or do you believe in magic lol?

The universe definitely have an higher intelligence behind it
It was created by someone
It didn't just exist without a cause.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do We Have So Many Religious Centres, Yet Remain A Highly Corrupt Country? by cornelboy(f): 12:44pm On Sep 25, 2023
OkCornel:
I’m not responsible for your intentional misunderstanding of my point.

Food for thought. Before mankind invented writing, how were they able to distinguish right from wrong?

Don’t disappoint me. Just think a bit before you answer
You have already disappointed me by failing to tell me how you knew your God who you claimed to be the creator.

What's the name of you God and how do you know about him?

The question no hard na cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Why Don’t Jw Fathers Sit For Their Daughter Who Gets Married To Non Witness? by cornelboy(f): 12:17pm On Sep 25, 2023
BluntCrazeMan:
I am not an atheist.
So, don't just conclude on anything yet,,... -- just because I was asking you some questions..
I am surprised you didn't even answer me with biblical stance any longer.
But rather, you swerved into logic.
Are you agnostic?
Logic is necessary. You couldn't just tell me something and I'd swallow it hook and line.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do We Have So Many Religious Centres, Yet Remain A Highly Corrupt Country? by cornelboy(f): 12:11pm On Sep 25, 2023
OkCornel:
Do successful secular nations with a high standard of living require religion to formulate laws which maintains law and order?

Do their citizens need religion to distinguish right from wrong?
So you're saying it's no longer about individual's knowledge, intuition and conscience but we have to follow our humans leaders' intuition, knowledge and conscience enforced on us to know and choose between right and wrong??

Why should we trust the conscience, intuition and the knowledge of those making the law for our nation?

You're just jumping from pillar to post.

Tell me how you knew about your God whom you claim to be the creator. We can start from there..
Christianity EtcRe: Why Don’t Jw Fathers Sit For Their Daughter Who Gets Married To Non Witness? by cornelboy(f): 11:52am On Sep 25, 2023
ORIAYO70:
This is Monday morning no be fight
In fact I'm even off
Don't mind him sir. He always like to prove his unreasonableness to Jehovah's witnesses or anyone that agrees with them.

Have a wonderful day at work.

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