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Dtruthspeaker:
Shebi you be jw oya talk na.

How are you today

Lol

MaxInDHouse:
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Cornelboy!

Atheists will never agree with you on the highlighted because they wish everyone is as easy as misinformed religionists that they can push here and there with their schemes!

It's not for the atheists. Even the misinformed church goers might not agree with that.
I'm just expressing my understanding of the matter to you.

MaxInDHouse:
Atheists will not agree with you because that word to them means God should be able to determine what each intelligent beings with freewill would turn out to be!

That's completely dishonest.
Dem go argue tire lol

For example, when Satan was tempting eve and Adam, God could see what was happening but he didn't know how it would ended because of the free will he gave man. He couldn't control it. He had most likely trusted Adam to make the right choice but he was disappointed.

Yet God has the ultimate power to predict the future accurately.
He indeed has a future he's planned for us

MaxInDHouse:
What those misinformed religionists concluded and wrote in the dictionary is what he wanted to use as the bases of his judgment.
Omniscient is a presumptuous term because the true God knows how everything He created works but as for what each intelligent mind will choose to do between good and evil that largely depends on the disposition of the person in question.

Even the definition of Omniscient is not ambiguous. It's simply "having total knowledge". God has the total knowledge of the universe, how it all started, how it works, what it's made of, how long it's been existing et cetera.

That knowledge doesn't include our choices between good and bad and the outcome of our choices.
And there's nothing like destiny. Nothing is fixed.

jaephoenix:
Good. So he is all knowing and omniscient right? Yeso or no

What do you mean by all knowing and Omniscient?

Emusan:
Time to ask God Himself



Yes they are all false Gods because they are never The true God.

So if Jesus is A Mighty GOD then, it's either He is also a FALSE GOD or The True God.

And don't forget, The Father is also A MIGHTY GOD.



But Jesus is the Word of God, true or false?

In that case, Jesus is a false God also. He was never called the one true God.
Only the Father is the one true God.
John 17:3 and 1 Cor 8:6

The Father is the Almighty.

Yes go and ask God in prayers for proper understanding of the Bible or you can ask those that wrote the Bible in their graves.

bolabizzle:
That means when God created satan as an angel, he knew satan would rebel against him.

He knew eve would eat from the tree of knowledge of good and bad and give some of that delicious fruit to adam, thereby creating great pain and sorrow for mankind in general.

He knew all of this but he let it happen anyway because he is God and he does whatever he wants, Right?

Wow! God is indeed a loving and caring God.

Hmmm

Kuratorguide:
There are a lot of biblical verses against drinking alcohol and being drunk. Here are 75 scriptures against alcohol that you need to see.

Here are 75 scriptures against alcohol:

1) Proverbs 23:33: Alcohol causes the drinker to have strange and adulterous thoughts, produces willfulness, and prevents reformation.

2) 1 Kings 20:12–21: Ben-Hadad and 32 other kings were drinking when they were attacked and defeated by the Israelites.

3) Deuteronomy 21:20: A drunken son was stubborn and rebellious.

4) Isaiah 28:3: Proud drunkards shall be trodden down.

5) 2 Samuel 13:28–29: Amnon was drunk when he was killed.

6) Isaiah 19:14: Drunken men stagger in their vomit.

7) Luke 1:15: John the Baptist drank neither grape juice nor wine.

Romans 14:21: Do not do anything that will hurt your testimony as a believer.

9) Ecclesiastes 2:3: The king tried everything, including intoxicating drink, to see if it satisfied. It did not. (Ecclesiastes 12:

10) Isaiah 32:9–14: Drinking ends in sorrow.

11) Hosea 4:11: Intoxicating wine takes away intelligence.

12) Jeremiah 35:2–14: The Rechabites drank no grape juice or intoxicating wine and were blessed.

13) Genesis 9:20–26: Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.

14) Proverbs 20:1: Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.

15) Leviticus 10:9–11: God commanded priests not to drink so that they could tell the difference between the holy and the unholy.

16) Habakkuk 2:5 – A man is betrayed by wine.

17) Joel 3:3 – The enemy is judged for selling girls for wine.

18) Romans 13:13 – Do not walk in drunkenness or immorality.

19) Daniel 5:4 – Drinking wine was combined with praising false gods.

20) Ecclesiastes 10:17: A land is blessed when its leaders do not drink.

Continue reading here: [b]https://joshedeh.com/75-scriptures-against-alcohol-that-you-need-to-see/

Jesus turned water to wine and drank wine himself.

MaxInDHouse:
Presumptuousness is their problem as they're determined to add meaning to what Jesus said only chosen ones will teach others whereas God's active force (Holy Spirit) will guide chosen ones.

There are many GODS {1Corinthians 8:5} among them are false Gods that humans are worshiping and those given the supernatural powers to act like God {Exodus 7:1; Isaiah 9:6} so when God said there's no God beside Him He is not talking about those He Himself gave the powers to act like Gods because such ones will always direct worshipers to Him {Deuteronomy 6:4 compare to Mark 12:29} rather God is disqualifying anything else humans are worshiping instead of Him.

That's the confusion misinformed churchgoers has!

Yes sir I understand perfectly.
Though Moses was like a God, the children of Israel couldn't not revere him in their heart as God and worship him. And doesn't make him a false God

At the same time, Jehovah is the only one God and only him we owe our life to and worship.

MaxInDHouse:
All he wants to hear is that God's word makes no sense so he's not arguing to know rather his arguments is to misconstrue everything and thereby justify his choice of unbelief!

Funny thing is that they think they're smart but not smart enough to reason that there must be a mastermind behind creation.
Perhaps they know but don't wanna live in reality.

Emusan:
I love this!



So others including Jesus are FALSE GOD, Abi?

Isaiah 44:6; 45:5 God says "BESIDES ME THERE'S NO GOD!"

Yet you claimed there was A Mighty GOD BESIDES GOD.



The Word of God.

Bible is God's word but when it comes to Jesus you have to use "WORD"

Is Jesus not God's Word again?

You will have to ask God himself if Jesus and others gods are false.

If God himself could call men Gods, does that mean that those men he called Gods were false Gods?

Jesus is not the "word" in God mouth. Besides God's word is not plural. God speaks multiple "words".

jaephoenix:
What do you understand by this?
Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite

Check out what understanding and infinite mean in the dictionary.

If you read some couple of verses after verse 5 and before, you'd see that the psalmist was praising God for his immeasurable comprehension of creation and everything existing and he created them with his abundant strength or power. For example, he could call all the stars by name. He definitely named them himself.

God has great comprehension and endless knowledge of the universe and that makes sense since he made the universe.

Emusan:
Smile....

Why didn't you list the rest?

Why don't you deal with this ones?

Emusan:
So the other one is THE FALSE GOD.



Definitely, you have two Gods and why don't you worship Him since He is a MIGHTY GOD?




What is the nature of God's word?

We have thousands of GODS.
Only the Father is the one true God. John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:5,6.

The Bible is God's word. Jesus was called the "word" and everything God speaks is God's words, so which one are you referring to?

jaephoenix:
Just take the first verse and reply it. Your dodging antics won't work

Ask you questions again in fewer and precise words with a verse or two. I'll definitely reply you.

MaxInDHouse:
Have you ever seen a madman before?
Well there are many in the society but you can only decipher through a conversation with them. A sane person will speak coherently but an insane will continue to talk aimlessly that's when you will realize that his tongue is still functioning but the brain is not assimilating.

Now you know why i shunned johnw47 all the time! Proverbs 14:7

Good morning sir
I will stop replying him

johnw47:
God didn't create evil satan corny boy, God created him the brightest of all the holy angels,
after his fall satan became one of his names

you have said God doesn't know everything and now you say God even knew adam would disobey Him,
see how dum and confused you are, post after post

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

It's my fault na. I shouldn't have started any discussion with you in the first place.

johnw47:
lost false jw's reckon God isn't all knowing

lost false jw's, the worlds great God deniers

according to dum false jw's, God only knows everything when he needs to, at other times he must forget things

Sighs

jaephoenix:
Ypu can take it one point at a time. Quit dodging

You do that and I'll reply you

johnw47:
dum corny boy

because it describes you false jw's and atheists very well:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Find something meaningful to do

johnw47:
corny boy

God knows everything even before it happens
go search for that scripture dummy, and God denier

you don't understand the Bible of course
you god has blinded your mind:

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

If he knows everything even before they happened, why did he create satan, why did he allow suffering and hardship in the world today?
Why did he create Adam even when he know he would disobey him.

Why didn't he create people that will always obey him no matter what?

You have nothing to offer really. Go and face the atheist on the loose not me.

jaephoenix:
Quit dodging. You can take one topic at a time

👍🏾

jaephoenix:
Well, actually you believe the same thing. You believe Yahweh came from chance too, since he wasn't created

God is timeless

jaephoenix:
He who alleges must prove. You said Yahweh created something. How did u know it was created and also how do u know it was Yahweh that actually created it and not Allah or Thor

How did you know the universe came by chance?

jaephoenix:
1. Actually if you can read and write, its explicitly stated by these verses that Yahweh knows everything. Even Isaiah said he knows everything from the beginning to the end.
What do you understand by everything?
They even used the word infinite. Meaning he knows. There is nothing like he chooses not to know. In fact no bible verse says he chooses not to know about our actions. None. The mothafucker knows every damn thing that happens!
And he does that spontaneously and continuously, thus they used the word 'Infinite' . He even knows the actions before they happen, then how would he choose not to know those actions? Do you and your fellow JW cretards even understand plain and simple English?
Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:4
Even before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O Lord, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Psalm 147:4
He counts the number of the stars;
He gives names to all of them.

Hebrews 4:13
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.


Psalm 139:1-4
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

Psalm 44:21
Would not God find this out?
For He knows the secrets of the heart.

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard?
The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth
Does not become weary or tired.
His understanding is inscrutable.


Isaiah 46:9-10
“Remember the former things long past,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;

Psalm 139:1-3
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

1 Kings 8:39
then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men,

Acts 1:24
And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen

2. The issue of free will is another scam.
If I told you, "Hey, don't go to school today, if you do I'll beat you to death. Is that free will?"

One at a time.

MaxInDHouse:
I have told him all these countless times but the teachings of Christendom that's blurring his senses yet he doesn't believe in the teachings he wants to hold on to.
Is that not funny?

He wants to prove to us that the Bible is full of lies. Whereas it's his understanding that's wrong.

jaephoenix:
Merriam-Webster

1
a
(1)
: the fact or condition of knowing something with familiarity gained through experience or association
(2)
: acquaintance with or understanding of a science, art, or technique
b
(1)
: the fact or condition of being aware of something
(2)
: the range of one's information or understanding
answered to the best of my knowledge
c
: the circumstance or condition of apprehending truth or fact through reasoning : COGNITION
d
: the fact or condition of having information or of being learned

… and I wanna add, it means totality of all things, in this our context

I have already answered you. God knows everything in the universe he created. He has great expertise in that.

When it comes to our choice and the outcome of things happening in the world today, he doesn't know because he doesn't pay attention to them.
But he can know and accurately predict the future if he needs or wants to.

He can read anybody's mind and know what the person is about to do. He doesn't do that spontaneously and continuously.
And he cannot control it because of the free will he gave us.

jaephoenix:
How do you know this?

How did you not know this?

jaephoenix:
Just like I'm trying to explain the bible to you folks here and you still come up short.

You have nothing to offer.
What good knowledge could come from someone that believes everything comes by chance. How could I trust your explanation that might have come by chance?

jaephoenix:
Really? You are asking me these?
Why should the universe Yahweh be here all along?
Your question is totally invalid

Lol what's this?
The universe and everything was started by God. Your question is invalid.

jaephoenix:
Oh yes, they do. All the verses say Yahweh sees everything spontaneously and continuously.
Lemme oblige you and repost those verses again. Maybe you're dyslexic like your bro, Max. Maybe being a JW turns one dyslexic. Who knows.

Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:4
Even before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O Lord, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Psalm 147:4
He counts the number of the stars;
He gives names to all of them.

Hebrews 4:13
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.


Psalm 139:1-4
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

Psalm 44:21
Would not God find this out?
For He knows the secrets of the heart.

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

Isaiah 40:28
Do you not know? Have you not heard?
The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth
Does not become weary or tired.
His understanding is inscrutable.


Isaiah 46:9-10
“Remember the former things long past,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;

Psalm 139:1-3
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

1 Kings 8:39
then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men,

Acts 1:24
And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen

What does Psalms mean by His understanding is infinite. What do you understand by the word 'infinite'?

In 1st John, the verse stated Yahweh knows all things. It didn't say he knows only about his creations. Even the other Psalms says before you utter a word, Yahweh knows it all, from what you're about to say or do(everything). Your whole anatomy, the stars etc are all laid bare(as stated by the other verses). He even knows the secret of our hearts, said Psalms 44. In fact every of your actions is noted. In fact, in Isaiah, Yahweh himself(not any prophets) stated he knows the beginning of the world to the end. Even Isaiah 46:9-10 says he sees the future.
There is no limitations of his knowledge anywhere else. The only limitations comes from you and your gang with Max Da Maniac.
Its unfortunate its an atheist that should explain the bible to a theist like a JW. Yahweh must be shaking his head in bemusement.

What's knowledge?