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pacretus:
if those were Russians or Chinesse in that picture i bet everyone would be shouting 'galantry' but alas it's an african nation,what da fu€k they're Nigerians.in their own language,''nothing good comes outta her''.

We have seen other nations including the US they so much worship in Nigeria haze some of their most effective units. They think warfare is andrewza's South Africa whose soldiers have not withstood any recent credible small unit tactical offensive. That's the intelligence. We are not dummies sitting in Abuja and enjoying it's beauty. We do our job.

Dear, don't mind saboteurs with inferiority complex. The sad thing is they don't even know it. People are incognito on Nairaland else some of them won't even show face. This is worse than low self-esteem. They are sheer disgrace to Nigerianness (my word) and cowards of the highest order.

overhypedsteve:
wow look who is finally frustrated about the way things are being done. I thought you said everything was OK and we were going to invade South Africa with our Alpha Jets?

The absence of all you want don't mean the presence of weakness. Never said everything was OK. And I'll tell you everything will never be OK even in the US. If u had managed to remove your bais as you are wont to do you would have understood the spirit of my contents. I'm disappointed but not frustrated; two different things. My point is corruption is still a problem in Nigeria which we all know. However problems are not peculiar to Nigeria alone which should draw your attention to objectivity. Having said that Nigeria is capable of rising to the occasion as a giant should whenever situation demanded it putting our weight behind our engagements. This is what gives us the edge in contemporary Africa. Now that route and pattern of policy making in Abuja is the bone of contention.

And never said anything about invading SA with A-Jets. We ain't invading them. Not gonna invade them. Not even with JF-17s or Flankers.

andrewza:
You think that hurts? Yeah sure it uncomfortable but it not near the level of pain you think it is

If it's not I gave you an offer pls take it up and post the pic. Attempt that stress position for just 1hr and u'd stop this joke.

Besides that's nothing compared to the more difficult aspects of our training regime in Nigeria which costs millions of dollars to produce a single soldier. The Nigerian soldier is a complete soldier and the best Africa has to offer. Though very very rare and hard to capture a Nigerian Soldier, Airman or Naval serviceman we have seen vids of one or two captured Nigerian servicemen in all our years of brutal combat and how brave they performed under duress even up to death without compromising our devotion to the code. This is a known.

When u have proof of such in modern times from yonder then come back and attempt reason else remain silent.

LTGEN:
http://www.tribuneonlineng.com/piracy-fg-hands-maritime-security-israeli-firm/
I look forward to seeing this.

Nice! Just wonder what magic the Israelis will perform with those thousands of creeks and aggressive piracy offshore without specialist naval patrol and escort. Personally I'm lukewarm to all of this cos in this 21st century Nigeria should be able by now to come up with indigenous training and answers to such problems without every time expending foreign exchange on foreign military contractors.

Smells like an avenue to steal to me just like almost everything else. Even under the old man in Abuja u can't believe people still want to steal without fear of repercussions. Some of the delays in deliveries is the corruption with all the dilly-dallying going on. Beats the imagination.

patches689:
Marines dont do that sort of nonsense - their punishments are lesson orientated or at least focused on skills development.

Of course there are physical punishments, but those are all fitness orientated.

Here is an interesting comparison between those Marines and Army - its funny, but also in a way quite deep when you consider the different training ethos of the two branches and the effect on the troops they turn out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNn9H1LR2Tw

that guy getting fvcking reemed at 4:40 gets me every time

Also 6:09:
"The recruit needs bayonette course, Sir"
"needs?"
"needs!?"
"NNNNEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDSSSS!!!!?!?!?"
[inaudible screaming]

Lol! We know all that. You might want to visit the Nigeria Army depot, Zaria. Throw a Nigerian and American soldier in the bush and let's see who would come out first unaided.

andrewza:
That same drill is done here. It not bragged about since it really nothing special. My issue was these types of pics all ways pop up from Nigeria. Like they bragging about it.

War is not a picnic to us in Nigeria. We have a history of military success behind us and it came by soldiers who fought under the most bitter circumstances and won. Yes we have bragging rights. That pic is an old pic just like many others and when soldiers survive beyond human training sure they'd make pics or vid and brag about it. They are no longer only humans but instruments of violence.

andrewza:
again you guys are bragging a about a joke disciplinary method that not even that hard to do.

Pls do it and post the pic lol

andrewza:
What does that drill teach you?

...hard to break a Nigerian soldier even in capture beyond that it's the mentality--adaptation to extreme pain under all circumstances whether psychological or emotional. But why should I even tell u?

andrewza:
If you think that is rugged maybe you should join the army.

Might just be a boot maker to the king. Ruggedness don't exist in your parts hence you can't tell what it is.

patches689:
Yeah, we replaced it with this thing called "professionalism"

Give it a try sometime.

'Professionalism' my foot that makes your guys chase Coat Tails all the time.

Xbee007:
Guy stop please. .
That is not ruggedness but inhumane treatment of fellow human.

Whose this? Mind ur business. Next time look for a better pic for a joke. Look up your dictionary for the difference btw military and civilian life. That drill works.

andrewza:
As I said if I took that picture in South Africa the instructor would be on. I clearly see it is private.

Don't make a fuss cos you don't have any, such ruggedness don't exist in South Africa.

andrewza:
Punshment is not meant to be made public.

Andrewza that's not an official public photo...people take them privately and make them public. In any case it's good psyops. Not a good idea to dare crack-heads like that -- A Nigerian Army past time which we have passed on to friendly effective armies on the continent.

Kalapizim:
colonel

Brigadier General & Commander Guards Brigade, Abuja. That was the President proudly acknowledging the new military medal of the Army Officer on arrival from his visit to Turkey.

Evidently the chief plagiarist derives self esteem and worth from picking on knowledge unknown to him to appear credible. Talk of ego massaging.

History and civilization has shown that previously there were no Nation States as we have them today but rather powerful tribes subjugating others to their will and creating empires. These powerful tribes still exist today in other forms making the crux modern Nation States which still preys on the weak or holding fort against more powerful enemies of modern states.

andrewza:
Control? They may operate in two thirds of the country but they don't control it. Control means any time a out side force enters it gets attacked. The ISAF sends patrols regularly all over looking for talbian to shoot. Most talbian just dump a Mag and run away killing no one.

Writing falsehood from your bedroom is hardly enthusing. Your account does not reflect reality on the ground. Except for the skies the Taliban physically control two thirds of Afghanistan and the ANA and NATO Coalition has no established presence in those areas.

andrewza:
Talbian is being whittled down the only reason they still a issue is that they can hide in the Pakistan tribal region out of reach by all but drone strikes.

Everyone knows the fact. The Taliban control two thirds of Afghanistan. I can't comprehend your aim when everyone knows the truth in black and white. Even the US Generals know how this would end. The Afghan warrior devotion to the code is absolute. It has been so for thousands of years. Religion is just a cover. It is a stain on the honor of the Pashtun tribesman to live under occupation under whatever guise. Now you know who will win even if it takes another one thousand years.

ActivateKruger:
That got nailed by the Mujahideen

Russia is a regional power with weapons of mass destruction. Nothing fancy.

Russia is what? AK you never disappoint.

Afghan Warriors (Mujahideen) that has buried 5 empires. Napolean Bonaparte and Alexander the Great sure have memories. The British should have known better. Russia may have burnt it's fingers but horned it's fighting skills in Kandahar. Why do u think they train and fight like men already dead.

andrewza:
Russia all so over hypes there own. I mean Georgia was not the walking g in the park Russia acts like it was.

Seriously! Where were u?

Sometimes I wonder your altruistic motives...the Georgia war was monitored live by the news media. It was a total flight by the Georgian army in the face of Russian advance. There are still footages of Russian armour manned by very young Russian troopers probably in their late teens and early twenties crushing whatever was left of any resistance by US trained Georgian servicemen that had seen action in Iraq. And that they did like a walk in the park.

Henry240:
I find it quite funny that a lot of "analysts" in the West seem to undermine Russian military capability.

Could you share the video?

It's marketing strategy -- my own is better than yours. Arguably in fighter jet engines has the west comparative advantage. In relative spectrum of warfare it's a graveyard of empires to contend with the Russian Bear.

Russian military training and combat operations is insane plus the Russian is a ferocious die-hard nigh tireless being. Always has been.

andrewza:
Our provinces all have there own budgets and revenue stream. So what's your point. Defence budget comes from federal government my statement was that Nigeria does not have the money to fly there jets to SA to take part in war games and same with SAAF. Maybe if Nigeria was not fighting a war NAF could afford to waste money to join the annual SADC air force war games.



All so I do not see the states budgets adding much if your federal government all ready has all most 50% of its budget being loan money.

I see the jingoists are at it again. Southie ego can't just be massaged. The chief mega-lomaniac frummie and the the side-kick andrewza and their appendages continue to hype about non-existent prowess subtly to run others down. Everyone knows the truth which is SANDF capabilities only exist on paper. If u calmed down u bet we might just allow u a moment in the sun.


Didn't you read the scholarly lecture from Nigeria's Chief of Air Staff? Or as usual u turn a blind eye. Save for air-air refueling, Nigeria still has force projection capabilities even to SA if there is a peculiar need as in the case of Gambia despite heavy involvement on the home front. Money is not our problem. Fuel is not our problem. We have shown capacity and strike capability in the past, in the present and if need be in the future. That's a fact validated by NAF as I've alluded here many times that the Nigerian Air Force can deploy on multiple centers of war.

Nigeria is a federation with nigh-independent governing entities of the centre in Abuja with full paraphernalia of office and budgets at it's own discretion. Yours is a unitary system whose revenues, budgets and administration are centralized. Nigeria's informal output alone trumps your whole economy by the billions. Understand that our formal economy is by far larger than yours and Nigeria's economy alone will total about 50% of Africa's output in some 20 years on present trajectory. That's the reality and would be reality. Nigeria is beyond your matrix of power. Don't compare us ok! We have challenges, but so do others. We don't share potentials. Never will.


Stop insulting us. We set you free. That's the history.

andrewza:
In my hyperthetcal France is supporting Cameroon in a border dispute along with a possible breakaway region in Nigeria. In short there cause beli or justification is Nigerian forces attacked Cameroon and wide spread war crimes. Whether it true or not does not matter. I mean people make up war crimes and ignore real war crimes all the time.


France goal is simply bring the oil fields in to sphere of Influnce of this break away and or Cameroon. Most of the support frome France will be logical, air, naval and limited ground support. Nigeria navy stands no chance and if the NAF get to close to the war zone will die. End result Nigerian Navy and Air force never leave there bases France never attacks the bases. Naval and air Domanice is achieved with maybe one or Two air raids to drive home the point. Possibly putting a guided bomb on to a Nigerian war ship or even just bombing your dry dock and hitting your air base with bombs.


End result Nigeria army fights with no air support, after a few losses concedes defeat. France uses there carrier and Cameroon air bases. Chad will all so be on alert to if need be support. Chad being a French attack dog.



A highly unlikely war but this is the worst case seneinoro but if you plan to fight this then you can beat any thing g lesser.

I must confess I'm at a loss why I should respond to this. But for the sake u gave ur hypothesis I would leave you a few. U must forgive me though I laughed my sides out. I anticipated better. Where are the historical examples and facts you alluded to?

First we establish this is hypothetical. In the present world order Nigeria and France won't fight a direct war. Not gonna happen. Non-state actors may be a tool as always for political capital.

In foreign relations states adopt the use of force where they have a chance of military success. Where there is no military option they use instruments of the international order via the UNSC or such organizations to bring pressure to bear.

Speaking of historical examples & facts to warrant DiREct French intervention in a hypothetical war with Nigeria:

1. Nigeria has had conflicts with Cameroon in the past in which the Nigerian Army occupied it's territory for years and the Nigerian Navy policed it's contiguous waters. France did nothing about it but to use other foreign policy tools of pressure: The ICJ at The Hague. Nigerian military signals intelligence picked up presence of French military advisers in various engagements with Cameroon but that was the farthest the French came.

2. Nigerian military forces in the past have advanced as far as N'jdamena the capital of Chad. France did nothing about it. In fact reports had it then Gen. Muhammadu Buhari and his armored brigade stayed on after orders from Lagos to withdraw. He did eventually but at his own time of choosing.

3. Nigeria has had a breakaway republic called Biafra in the 60's. France gave material and political backing to Biafra yet Biafra collapsed. Nigeria was weaker then than it is now. France made no direct incursion except aid with mercenaries. Nigeria won that war.

4. There exist today many centers of conflict within Nigeria's borders exploited by unseen powerful foreign hands. Some of these conflicts are full blown wars that many countries around the world won't survive yet Nigeria is still standing thanks to our military which not only holds the fort but is deployed abroad. I think you should be unbiased and give credit where it's due.

Following the foregoing it is absurd to contemplate a direct French military intervention. If it could it would have on a pretext backed by NATO (case in point Libya). The US could only apply sanctions under Abacha. In fact the US fled Somalia. It has still not defeated the Taliban in Afghanistan the graveyard of empires. A former French president said of Nigeria "the Nigerian military is a large, well trained and highly capable force" and no one should underestimate them. Nigeria is not Libya. Syria has proven what a cohesive professional military high command can accomplish in the face of daunting challenges—it's holding together down to its NCOs and Syria's strategic global alliances is why Assad is still in power.

The Nigerian military has never lost a war. It is not a sitting duck. Based on current assets, Nigeria has TRACON which is fully integrated with it's Air defense command and Space Agency. It's electronic eyes and ears see well into other countries further afield. The Chinese don't want THAAD because of it's radar reach which essentially makes you a sitting duck for targeting. A well integrated air defense helps to track and shoot down aircraft even with less advanced SAMs. Thats the scenario playing out in east Ukraine against Russian backed rebels. The Roland's may not be S-400s but they are deadly to trespass in a well integrated air defense system. The French know better. The size of our armed forces, capacity and relative capability makes it an un-winnable war for France with negative public opinion back home and the attendant refugee question effectively ending it before it began. The Nigerian Army will bring the war to them in Cameroon or Chad and potentially farther. We have done it before. We will do it again if need be and France will do nothing.

Having said that Nigeria will not win a direct war against France but neither will France. The oil in Nigeria has many vested interests local and foreign that is beyond France alone. In addition Nigeria is arming and should appropriately for future wars that are unpredictable. The French have been known to be spoilers who start wars and run away for others to do the heavy lifting.

andrewza:
If it is nonsense say why, I can back up all my points with facts real world examples and facts. Yet because it goes against your naritive you say it is nonsense.

Good response. Exactly what I anticipated from one who'd be intellectual in reason. I'd love to see your hypothetical war projections between Nigeria and France. You may give a detailed analysis on my page: African States - International Relations And Regional Power Balance here on Nairaland. It's only for intellectuals and thinkers. U seem quite the gentleman. When I'm finished in a few hours I'll look it up.

For now:

Why? The enemy is not a sitting duck—assuming in this case the hypothetical enemy is Nigeria against France.

horlams:
SIGHTS AND SOUNDS FROM GRADUATION CEREMONY OF NAF SPECIAL FORCES


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50FAG41wrDQ

Sights and sounds from the recent combined graduation ceremony of additional Nigerian Air Force (NAF) personnel from the Special Forces Course, alongside other security-related courses. Real firearms, live ammunition, cutlasses, etc were used during the exercise to enhance realism. Viewers are, however, advised not to try some of the moves that are in the video clip, as the NAF personnel involved in the displays have been well trained. Click and enjoy...

DOPRI

Impressive! Our Built Up Capacity Makes Jealous. Watching This Is Sweet To The Soul. And They Are Not Even SBS. Well Done Nigeria.

nemesis4u:
modern warfare is not always about boots on the ground approach

to defeat a country all u need to do is

1.ensure air superiority indirectly limited ground superiority

2.ensure naval superiority

3.take out industrial centers like oil installations , factories , shipyards , electrical grids etc

these will ensure that ground , air and naval routes r off limits ie complete economic blockade

then the target countries economy will come to a grinding halt in a few weeks

with crisis in supply of essential goods plus no replenishment the target country will be forced to come to terms and negotiate a way out.

so warfare is not one dimensional it is multi dimensional

those who clamor for war in todays age do not understand the severe penalty for it , the after effects will send a country to medieval ages at the minimum if not dark ages.

around 10-20 or more conventional HPM E-bombs will bring any mid sized country to its knees with large scale damages both industrial , financial and household running into hundreds of billions without firing a single bullet.

all P5 countries have them



dont fall for jingoism

Meaningless.

andrewza:
Size of the country does not matter and they don't need to capture Nigeria. Did NATO occupy Libya? Cameroon hyperthytical what if but it does show how France has influence in Africa and many friends.


The French Air force could easily maintain air superiority over Nigeria for the duration of what ever they doing. Of course it will not be for ever. The best Air defence Nigeria poses is the Roland a French system they built and they know all it limitations.


As was stated wars of occupation are rare in Africa but let's say there is a border dispute between Cameroon and Nigeria. If France backs Cameroon Nigeria looses.



Russia won't help you. They don't get any thing from Nigeria in fact Nigeria is a larger oil supplier so if you are weakened and in turmoil oil prices goes up and Russia benefits. But if you African do the look to Russia for aid at best China but even then they need the west more than Africa.



Any body in Nigeria that thinks they can win a full blown war against France is crazy. The French army is while trained, experienced in African war fare and battle tested. Of all the NATO members there is no better force for fighting in Africa. They have access to plenty of local bases, troops in country, allies and the Money to best any nation in the Francephobe region.

Nonsense.

Presidential Meet: President Muhammadu Buhari of Nigeria Meets With US President Donald John Trump In New York.

tdayof:
LTGEN you forgot terrorism made GEJ and PMB work on arming the military more than it was before..

I feel RTD Olusegun Obasanjo would have done more than that.

More like wipe out whole villages like the Algerians No one would dare this much in the days of the noble man from Ogun State

frumentius:
Right, for different reasons I find myself agreeing with Henry and newafrikaken. There's just something off about that Jordan statement. Nigeria recently bought from Streit Jordan, when the option of a donation was there. Or Aso Rock got its facts wrong; which is simply inept. Unless the donation was an inducement for Nigeria signing on to the extension of the Aqaba Process to West Africa. Which is even worse, when a minnow like Jordan - which doesn't even have an embassy in Abuja - can come along and sign up Nigeria to its West Africa security blueprint. That the 2 issues are mentioned in tandem in the official release is worrying.
Hell, it's bad enough Nigeria shares its hegemon status in West Africa with France.

Turkey, UAE and Jordan have already supplanted Ethiopia and Kenya in East Africa, now Morocco(France) and Jordan are attempting the same in West Africa. My interpretation, which I'm happy to take to the discussion thread.

But that statement simply produces more questions than answers.

Aso Rock puts out vetted and authentic statements. It is the mouthpiece of the President.

Yes, questions abound as to the offer from the Jordanians to Nigeria but time will bring things to light and Jordan maybe small but it enjoys significant privileges from Uncle Sam than any African country except Egypt so it's not beyond it to have something to offer in terms of military equipment.

The Aqaba process remains what it is which is a security imperative fitting into Jordan's diplomatic approach for global visibility much like Switzerland for a small country in this case needing Nigeria's co-operation to succeed.

Jordan and the UAE even if they have all the money will never match Kenya's geo-political weight in the world never mind East Africa. International relevance goes beyond just money.

France does not share hegemony with Nigeria in West Africa. There is only one Hegemon in the region which is Nigeria.

Don't peddle false narratives.

LTGEN:
Nigeria military speaking does not need Obasanjo .
Military wise he was a disaster.
He is credited with purchasing the F7s despite the advice of his Airforce Generals who vehemently advocated for the Mig 29.
*No new Naval procurement contracts were undertaken during his regime.
*His administration also remains the only administration to be openly rebuked by the UN for not buying APCs for their Peacekeeping Troops.
Post GEJ and PMB political differences aside and despite the debacles of BH.
*Critically GEJ/ PMB started the push to increase the size of the Armed Forces.
to reform the Army
From 4 Divisions to 6 and Now 8
Navy: from two central commands to three.
Under GEJ the Navy actually built Boats .
Obj only refurbished Old vessels.
Obj was a disaster for the Military.
Not a fan of GEJ but he inherited a lot of problems from both Yaradua and Obasanjo.
Credit must be given where it is due.
The Navy turnaround belongs to GEJ
The debacle that befell the NAF started way before GEJ got there it then manifested itself during two key incidents.
The elevation of Alex Badeh to CAS
The elevation of Alex Badeh to CDS.

You are quite a thinker I enjoy.

Commanders-In-Chief: President Buhari Meeting With President Trump In New York.

tdayof:
Jordan is also planning to set up an embassy in Nigeria.

It was the Hashemite king himself who told President Buhari about the AFV and Helos -- just curious? Apparently there are countries that have a lot of goodwill towards Nigeria but there are many more who wants it dismembered like the former Yugoslavia and those are the secret powerful fingers behind Boko haram and IPOB. My assumptions point to some in the west. Still thanking God Obama was defeated; may have been worse with Clinton who relishes lecturing Nigeria at every turn. There is just this sinister agenda that clearly exist. Whoever can't stand the idea of the peaceful rise of a black power which if not subtly weakened from within with domestic enemies would eventually outstrip them. Everyone does that against a potential adversary. We gotta wake up. The confidence of Kanu and Shekau beggars belief.