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Henry240:Indeed 200 is not a bad idea. But even 50 for a start would gladden my heart knowing the penchant for purchase from multiple sources abroad. Already looks like stuff would be coming to the Army from the Southies. Proforce like other Nigerian firms must do better at lobbying for sales. The Senate is already fuming having just discovered 162 million dollars was withdrawn in March 2018 from the federation account for purchase of helicopters. They are now demanding hearings into the matter from the CBN and Ministry of Defence. |
Goodwill from the Nigerian Navy
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Goodwill from the Nigerian Navy — except you want trouble -- of course not a good idea cos we know how to trouble those who trouble us to smithereens -- else peace from this side of the Ocean.
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Dr. Innocent Chukwuma chairman of INNOSON GROUP presented with a DICON Diary by Maj.-Gen. Bamidele Ogunkale DIG of DICON at DICON Hq.
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tdayof:Indeed you see that attraction with the military all over like the one with the Air Force which is long term. Profits is the driving force here being a private company but now with sensitive National Security & Defence investments which of course will make the Federal Government put an eye on things like military grade equipments for export. But same will go for PROFORCE if they up their lobbying game. Both companies actually also have their sights and targets for foreign exports as Nigerian Vehicles from both companies are already seen in Mali and Libya and other African countries. But to be fair to PROFORCE, beyond just tactical vehicles they have acquired certain expertise in ballistics to a greater degree than any other indigenous company I think which is reason perhaps the MRAP deal goes to them and Combat Assets of that range and capability which sophistication requires time to produce. Innoson it appears is faster and on budget when it comes to light transport vehicles for combat which the Army needs swiftly. PROFORCE doesn't have the size yet nor financing to roll out such huge stocks as anticipated which makes a partnership of sorts as you suggested sensible. The problem is Denel is foreign owned and and it's technology not exactly solely South African comes with strings attached which is anathema to Nigeria's military industrial complex. Innoson makes smart partnerships that works in the Nigerian environment. Why not PROFORCE partner with INNOSON? One builds the other does the Armouring or let the competition drive further innovation and industrialization. PROFORCE will do well to follow suit and patronage from the Military won't be a problem rather the challenge would be how do you slow down or whittle down the influence of a Nations Military Industrial Complex when it takes off as vested interests in the sector, the government (both the executive and legislature) and the Military will see to it that the funds never stop coming including looking for wars to fight. The upside is it leads to National Industrialization across major sectors of the economy. |
tdayof:Apparently the Army is rooting for local production of Armoured Fighting Vehicles and they see that possibility in partnership with Innoson having proven their vehicles in the harsh-lands of Borno. It doesn't necessarily have to be your posh and expensive imported brand that doesn't meet expectations but something in the profile of what has been proven only this time tailored to unique NA specifications for the sort of AFV it requires for the combat theatre in question. That appears to be the thinking and I'm all for patronizing our own especially for items like this. Normally such deal appears to be the forte of PROFORCE but perhaps there's a division of labour here with the MRAPS expected to come from the factory in the SW or just smart lobbying from Innoson or more than meets the eye for National Security. The fact is that Chukwuma guy is our own Howard Hughes and he can do just about anything on budget and on time. He's a genius and should be protected by State Security. The Army Chief understands the rudiments and instruments of national power and I think his judgement along with his top brass must be well informed. |
LTGEN:Yes it's a Sit-Rep. This time is a strategic agreement signed btw the Nigerian Army represented by the COAS Lt. Gen Buratai and the Chairman himself of Innoson Manufacturing Innocent Chukwuma to build and supply the NA with AFVs and other vehicles including mechanical & engineering logistical support. In the words of the Army Chief the earlier samples of Infantry Support/Combat Vehicles supplied by Innoson for trials early last year proved very effective in the north-east theatre leading the Army to order more the rest of the 2017 Calender year. This time they ordered for another 100. For the AFVs the Army will partner with Innoson for its design to suit it's needs while Innoson will partner with the NA Vehicle logistics plant in Kaduna for attrition repairs, engine, equipment/technical replacements & refurbishments. Following the Army's request for other models to add to it's inventory new models were given today by Innoson for trials: The IVM G80 Bigger Jeep, IVM G40 Smaller Jeep and the IVM Granite Pick-Up. The Army wanting to transform across the board for 21st century warfare whilst replacing personal firearm Kalashnikov-family rifles with modern firearms for each soldier (A good thing) should also replace most technicals with these vehicles and save foreign exchange. This is it! I'm so elated at such pace of industrialization. This is how America started. Before long competition in the industrial base will lead to things in the Air both commercial and military. These sort of human and material resources is what wins wars and Nigeria is not lacking it. Innocent Chukwuma and INNOSON is now a national asset. The EFCC surely knows that. Clearly the 1 billion dollars is already being put to good use. Looking forward to hear orders for the equally versatile PROFORCE ARA MRAP undergoing trials. Happy New Years Y'all! |
Merry Christmas Guys To You And Yours!
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Meanwhile Paul Biya will soon be on his way out. He has bitten more than he can chew. Doing the white man's bidding in our neighborhood has it's limits. That guy single handedly made Cameroon an 'enemy' of Nigeria. You can't win a proxy war with us. Boko haram despite the recent hit and runs (which has fingerprints) will be history but Ambazonia will become reality and you can't stop it unless we chose to on our terms at a time of our choosing. Biya is a picture of the resentment they have for us. |
SupremeCourt:Whoever reads what that thing called patch writes, that would be ridiculous. Eagles have nothing in common with chickens. The Nigerian is his nightmare. He's insecure. The kid lacks home training to have any sense of discipline. |
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SupremeCourt:You know sir, I'm very proud of you. I find this an excellent piece. What's really wrong with us the Nigerian people, we seriously should be asking questions. This piece should make the front page of Vanguard Newspapers or Punch. Pls don't mind the crowd, they won't celebrate this but mediocrity. It's the way if the world. Intelligence intimidates them so they resort to character assassination. Their level of posting here should tell u. I since made my decision, 2017 is drawing to a close. Cheers man! |
barineh:We ain't gonna be 50-50 partners. |
lionel4power:Curious u're still here being a double spy. I since assumed u were simply hanged as a traitor by a side of your handlers for compromising national secrets. But who knows in this business where u constantly have to watch over your shoulders not trusting anyone including your handlers who could use u as a compromise or scapegoat for the national cause it might just be ur double or clone on display but again who knows. |
Josfactz:The Maj. Gen. Speaking in general terms: "...among others...our requests cuts across the basic of (modern) weapons...to the most sophisticated platforms..." |
iblawi:Being sectional in appointments has never helped Nigeria. The best should carry the daÿ not celebrating mediocrity. The President may be a good man but one thing is evident his penchant for sectional appointments. How I hate to say that being his ardent faithful but it's the sad truth. The acting NIA DG taking over from Oke is from where and what belief system? Aha, u tell me. But no wahala na our country so leave matter. Presently no other officer in the Nigerian Army has proven combat success like Maj. Gen. Lucky Irabor but ostensibly they'd drag the tenures till he reaches retirement. No bi today. |
tdayof:He's a true soldier but I beg to disagree. We need new thinking. These guys are spent. And why is he always standing next to the C-in-C. I have a problem with that. The CDS is his boss. It's typical Buhari he trusts people too much till they betray him. I seriously have an eerie feeling. He should sack the lot. The only person deserving retainment is the CAS who should become CDS and not Buratai. By the way new thinking in the new Theater Commander Op LAFIYA DOLE Maj. Gen. Rogers Ibe Nicholas has become more proactive in response than reactive. See... My take: For the Nigerian Army I seriously contend that Maj. Gen. Leo Irabor should become the new Chief of Army Staff. Ezugwu should go to MNJTF. At that level for now these guys are the deal. |
barineh:You dey perform magic I dey wonder how dey enter my head Didn't want to mention him Ooo before guys crucify me. I just don't trust Buratai anymore. And especially with our southie brothers falling our hand from Madagascar to now Zimbabwe with this new slogan of "military assisted transition" make we no go enter one chance. I just have this eerie feeling about the guy. Forgive me but I must add wish the Southies will see my point of view. Their incapacity to enforce AU agreements down south has set a very dangerous precedent. Sometimes it seems like the motive is with one eye this way by coincidence. Our people too slow sometimes. Now when I see that Buratai I'm just not so sure anymore. |
tdayof:Methinks fresh eyes is needed on the challenges. The Nation owes them gratitude as their forbears, they've done well but dunno what new they can bring to the table. What y'all think? Gonna be more of the same. |
barineh:I was thinking the same thing, on average 5 billion. I'd have obliged you his number, but alas! I'm just a boot maker to the king. |
barineh:We actually need more than that $1B. You may pls ring up the C-in-C. |
Relevant News: Happy for South Africa at the moment, an important country: Cyril Ramaphosa has just been announced as the new leader of the ANC having won the leadership contest of the party against Jacob Zuma' ex-wife Dlamini-Zuma (hated that so much-a man wanting to impose his ex-wife on a nation). Potentially Ramaphosa is all but guaranteed to become the next President of SA a good thing and hopefully a better deal for the SANDF. A strong SANDF is good for Nigeria and Africa in general. New beginnings 2019. Ramaphosa should seek to bring SA/Nigeria relationship in the way of the UK/US strategic co-operation on foreign policy acknowledging Nigeria's natural right of Continental leadership. |
Algerian1:Fair enough, well said. Such thinking is what we need not bias and envy against a country vaunting is natural might. That (patch) thing and his "likes" have no clue of military thinking but wannabee military 'experts' who have no clue of military thinking. A large army like Nigeria's need modern main battle tanks the likes you postulated. The world is an unpredictable place. It is even a shame we are here talking of a token 77 or so second hand T-72 tanks -- which corruption got us -- for a country of some 200 million people with a GDP of half a trillion dollars depending on whose exchange rate you use. If I were that man at DHQ Abuja planning things I'd be pushing hard for German Leopards, it's just my amazing tank of the modern era except of cause the T-14 Armata as a probable alternative and why not it's time Nigeria stop buying like 'children' seriously, picking one here and two there. The T-90 may suffice as a minimum. |
Ibrahimanees:Shut up! Re.tard clone of lionel4power the double spy a disgrace to Nigerianness. Who told u they don't give a fvck. These people resent us and were it not we are a powerful country they'd have since split us to smithereens something many of them secretly desire. Envy will smite you assuredly. |
andrewza:Designation is not the problem I think. It is clear Syrian T-90s performed excellently well and Armies watching would of course be interested. That's the point. |
Adminisher:It is not stupid to buy MBTs. Armour is armour only difference is caliber and technology that comes with it. It's a fact T-72s inducted were instrumental in reclaiming towns and villages occupied by BHT terrorists at the height of the war. Your assertion of Tanks not envisaged in future warfare is subjective depending on who you are listening to. The present nature of warfare by proxies rather than state-on-state warfare fits that prognosis however any modern conventional war or as we see with heavily armed and highly mobile quasi-armies like ISIS, BHT etc Tanks become necessary else you struggle in offensives and can't hold ground, the north east, Syria and elsewhere come to mind. Yes a lot of Intel will be procured as well as tons of logistics but with a mix of modern tanks too. The 3rd Armoured division Jos integrated with fighting forces in the North-East has borne the brunt of offensives against hitherto BHT strongholds and need attrition replacements. And no amount of artificial intelligence can replace the human mind that knows what it wants in the heat of combat. The Sukhoi's have shown incredible might in Syria in the hands of the Russians. I still maintain we need the long range and weapon load capability of the flankers. I particularly like the touted laser capability of the Mig-35 and the potential of shooting down satellites a feature not to be discounted in future wars. I think though the flankers in the hands of a skillful pilot can perform that feat. Though some see the JF-17 Thunder performing multi-role functions which it can and especially the capability to deliver nuclear weapons something Egyptian Rafales can't do -- Whichever NAFs strategic imperatives on the continent requires a heavy fighter with long range air-air and ground bombing capability. |
iblawi:Antecedents of Nigeria's politics makes your worry well founded however again I'd assume the current President will do much better with the funds. We should dare to hope this time for the best. At least it may just come down to one man if our merciful God finds him which He couldn't in Sodom and Gomorrah. |
Nigerian Armour: Proforce ARA Thunder Coming Soon To Your Neighborhood
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SupremeCourt:Shebi! The news hot I let am drop. The weekend has just been sweet with the surprise bombshell from Abuja. The country works like a mystery according to tdayof. We didn't even touch or mention other sources of emergency funding like NNPC, NPA etc. Nigeria is not feared for nothing. If them like make them dey buy useless shiny toys wey no get teeth. Look at Egypt buying billions of debt of metal without most sophisticated software to deliver crucial weapons. Algeria has had to complain and even threaten in the past to return Russian buys until Russian appeasements. When we decide to show hand world news go dey quake. You might tell us the merits of the T-90 cos for me it's just the T-72 with upgrades. It might be a stretch but I fancy the Leopards. The Germans are quite good dealers. We can home incorporate some sensitive tech as always on any purchase not in the T-90/Leopard range assuming they won't sell. We know how to do these things. You know Nigeria won't buy without win-win obligations. You put the money right on it as Proforce should get massive buys of the ARA Thunder. So far it's proving better than those from yonder. I disagree with Barineh. NA Aviation Corps needs those birds. They are great force multipliers and quick-kill assets and advantage for taking out enemy armour in open warfare. Things will become clearer in the days ahead but clearly hard assets are coming in and soon since some had already been under production following secret orders. The Navy will be interesting to watch. Tdayof may shed more light for us on the envisaged Senate funding. Methinks the Army and Air Force will benefit more from this first tranche of 1 billion dollars of the present Buhari administration following the one of 2014/15 under former President Jonathan. |
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frumentius:You were warned. Stop mention of the Covert unbeknownst to warm bodies here. Obviously the pain of evidence of our humongous discreet defence spending every other year was too much for you to bear that you couldn't help it but make a re.tarded retort. Just go and hide as ordered by SupremeCourt that's your only option. Nigeria is your boss period. |
barineh:Well it depends on what. It depends on which Government in power. I'm confident this time the money will be judiciously used. The new fly boys of the Nigerian Army need things to fly. The Navy's expeditionary fleet ordered has to be paid for. The Air Force can't wait for it's new birds. Whatever, we should sleep sweet tonight. Its a reality. The guys should be coming up with ideas of what to procure like what Army Aviation assets, there are guys looking this way. My concern is Mansur Dan Ali. The purchase of the birds are looking more opaque than ever. |
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