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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 2:40pm On Jul 23, 2018
[ quote author=Marvel65 post=69634257]

Nice one.
Just know this, DPR was given approval to recruit 700. Im sure you can do the math.
The names on the current list will not be replaced.
There’s a list coming up. Use everything you’ve got to get your name on the list. I won’t say more than this. Time waits no Man!!!. [/quote]


@Marvel, so the meaning of this is that another list containing 100 people will be added.
Ok! Will it only be for stakeholders, or can merit peeps merit the list?
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: 2018 Dufil Graduate Trainee Scheme by Crane1: 2:05pm On Jul 19, 2018
Sheamus007:
am trying to upload my document during d registration but it displaying document name on d system....
anybody dat can help with dat

Go and rename the document, that is what I did

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 10:20pm On Jul 18, 2018
fachuba:
The issue has been resolved. We hope they start calling tomorrow

Can you debrief us the outcome?
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 7:31pm On Jul 18, 2018
See me o, am even GT o, but am just feeling for the EH, and especially for those who had initially make the list...

Well God knows everything, and HE makes everything beautiful in His sight.

Hmm! This is seriously serious...
So the expectant EH who are hoping to narrowly get in even when the slots cannot even be up to 3 if evenly distributed among states are to be slashed again by almost half or more... mehn! It is serious.

So what will then happen to those EH whose APLs have been typed and signed? They will definitely withdraw them and another factor will be used to pick the few EH...

Hmm! How will this affect the GTs, will there be an upward increase?
Who will fill the void when some EHs are slashed down? Are GT gonna fill the vacuum?

DPR matter just weak me... Anyways, lemme go jack for GRE, God must pick my call... This grade must count!

Marvel65:


The number is so much and their placements would hinder the promotion of existing staff. The initial plan was to recruit more GT and few EH.

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 1:38am On Jul 17, 2018
Thank you @ Marvel for your great contributions on this thread, and great information you have confidently ditched out.

I want to ask strictly concerning the bolded, what about the silent 100 applicants that was added to pacify the SHC, what category of people are they (GT or EH)??

It seems to be silent from this post as only 400 can be accounted for, as against the 300 MC and 200 SHC that makes up 500.

I hope am not shaking table grin cheesy

Marvel65:
Firstly, I would like to congratulate the successful ones that were contacted today. I can see many testimonies, I’m super duper excited for you guys. I said it since last month that the recruitment was merit based. The sons and daughters of the common man will be favoured. Now everyone can see the reason Mr Tata sacrificed the 100 slots meant for this years fresh recruitment. He deserves some accolades. This is just the beginning, more will testify this week and beyond.

There were 297 GT and 103 EH on the list.
The EH list was released today. They will be contacted to receive APLs this week and beyond. Ensure your contact digits are active and always be close to your mobile phone.

Please if you’ve not been contacted today, don’t panic and exercise patience. There is still hope.

@square62, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!. I sight you.

To the successful ones, I wish you the best in your career with DPR.

Good evening!

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 2:26pm On Jul 13, 2018
Well said bro.

ajayghale:
Go to DPR to make demands? When the recruitment is not even over? Lashing out at others who have guided the thread for as long as november last year. Even accusing people that literally gave us hope when there was none of misdirecting us? See ehn, as much as I am pained at the way this whole process was handled and how till now, we've not still gotten calls and mails, I'm looking at this very objectively. Today is just the 6th working day since we saw the letter someone posted here. Please what is the end goal? We want them to post the list? Which list? Is this admission? Please let's be serious. Tami now don delete account, smart grid MIA. If by next weekend nothing happens, i move on with my life and conclude this job is not for me. After all, my life is not defined by this. I'm exhausted with all the hypocrisy I've seen here so far. Please let's open our eyes. Everybody that does something has a reason for doing it. Don't let anyone deceive you especially someone that claims to have collected letter. You think he will come outside to join us in the protests if we choose to? Wake up. If I am called, i praise God for his mercies. If I am not, I'll move on with my life and still appreciate God. I wish us all the best. The journey has been emotional and scarring. Make dpr no give person hypertension at my young age abeg. Shalom
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 10:12am On Jul 13, 2018
Smiles...

Bros, the word "jez" used in my narratives is a short form of "just", which is to depict/potray/emphasize "patience till next week".
Whether or not it answers for the situation/agitation on ground is subjective to each individuals, and it is my own opinion. I only thought you will be able to make contextual meaning from it.

One out of the brilliant contributions which I logically agree with is what @ naijainstict suggested. I personally believe that if that can be considered, then we can make correct deductions about the list of successful candidates and know if truly it is not compromised. First hand information without basing our conclusions on what we heard, ensuring we take care not to prejudge the issue.

If we must make a case for a peaceful protest, then we must have verifiable data to back it up, by this I mean, how do we verifiably know if the process has been hoodwinked or not? the number of people who made the list (Merit/stakeholders)? What is the timetable/procedure they (DPR) adopts in contacting the successful candidates, either merit or stakeholders (Which should be first)? and lots more, then can we make decisions.

And believe me people, realistically, all what we are basing our judgement on is "what we heard" or "perceived", I stand to be corrected though. Except we have data that we can speak to, like what @naijainstict suggested, then can we make correct deductions and conclusions.

In all these, by Monday till Wednesday next maximum, we should be able to unfold the truth, after which we can have something (data) to speak on and then channel all means to register any grievances/foul play/injustice that may result from the recruitment.

Well this is my own thought and it is subjective. Nevertheless, I pray many of those who will make it on merit, praying for myself inclusive make a positive impact in the organisation and effect a positive change in the oil and gas sector of our nation, contributing to innovative solutions that will help us achieve much from our natural resources, including the stakeholders candidates too.

Make I go face my work now...



[Qquote author=Tetragramaton post=69329050]

Imagine a graduate using jez? Irritating. [/quote]

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 11:40pm On Jul 12, 2018
Dear Hopefuls, I know this stage we are in now, it is really hard for many to control their emotions, coz it is hot. But nonetheless, can we Jez wait and see what next week will bring, as even Marvel said, everything will be unfolded from next week.

Yes we may say the mode of releasing APLs before it is official is wrong, but the main question is do we know why it happened that way? Do we know what they DPR even aim to achieve by doing that before officially call the merited ones. Whether it is in the best interest of the merited ones or not only by next week can we know which it is when it probably will be official.

I chose to believe in what Marvel's said that merit is being valued and considered, and that it could be that they (DPR) chose to separate the timing of APLs of stakeholders from Merit, hence, reason for this current happenings ( this is Jez a thoughtful thinking o)

I will sincerely advice everyone one of us to look forward to next week, I believe many will share sweet testimonies here... Even me sef don't know any person, not to talk about checking for me, but I Jez believe many people will get the job on merit. This is my believe though!

It is always darkest before the dawn

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 10:33pm On Jul 12, 2018
Bros I see this your comment and am shocked, you have now change to being optimistic grin shocked... Well that is good, in all we hope for the best...

Guyz, let chill, we will laugh in the end...

#Iamoptimistic

Clemexy20:
pls let us still wait till next week. we should not rush. patience is d keep 2 success. as am telling u now av been out of job since March. I really rely on dis DPR job but I am still calm n waiting till nextweek. Abeg make we still de petient in as much we have not received a regret mail, text or our portals closed. Dias still hope 4 us.

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 5:33pm On Jul 09, 2018
I am in Lagos too, am considering the option, but can't tell if that is so, coz I opted to ask if the lady can check for me, but she is not giving me a convincing answer.

[Qquote author=michaelismenten post=69222087]


Can I just go there myself to check?
Will the security allow someone in? [/quote]
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 4:54pm On Jul 09, 2018
Hello hopefuls, a lady Jez called me now, she applied for EH, and told me her friends working at DPR said the list for GTs are pasted at the HQ office, that one should go there to check and confirm.

Actually, the lady called her to know if she applied for GT so she can check on her behalf, but it was EH she applied for and the person said their is not ready yet.

From the conversation, I guess the EH stuff is the cause of the delay going by what have been said earlier and now this.

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 7:12pm On Jul 06, 2018
Clemexy20:
lol... deceiiiiive ya self. I Laf in Swahili.

Bros no offence o, ur record on this thread has potrayed you to be always on the negative side and being pessimistic, disbelieving most information. Have you noticed that?

Do you ever think this recruitment won't end a day

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 12:36pm On Jul 06, 2018
To all our informants here, I must really commend you guys, it's nice having to share classified information here.

To all the hopefuls too, it is praiseworthy to have waited all this while for this recruitment to end...

In all what will be will be, and we will all succeed in one way or the other.

@Legend90, Tamiwhatt, Smartgrid, Marvel64, Ferguson, et al... We appreciate you guys.

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 6:03pm On Jul 03, 2018
@Marvel, thank you for choosing to share your information here. After thoroughly reading through your post, I have this conclusion about you.

1. That you are not an applicant
2. That you probably one of the HR @DPR or close to the office
3. That you probably have more information at your disposal but choose to let to the public which will not reveal much about the recruitment coz of the way you perceive people will react.

BTW, how come you recognise @rolly, and describe him as legendary

I sincerely appreciate your contributions here, but if you can, which I know you can, tell us what the situation is.

I also want to thank the lines of Tamiwhatt, Legend90, Neverdown, Smartgrid, Ferguson, etc for their information, truly you guys av really tried for everyone here with you information... Kudos.

It is true that all is set and APLs are ready, given that all our informant agree on this, but what may be also true is that each informant source may not really be in the knowing of what is the actual situation know, since they already know the recruitment stage of deciding the successful candidates is over. Maybe reason why we have diverging view from our informants.

At this stage, what I think is happening is just when the King and Mr.Tata, will both agree on a date to call the shot, as in when they really want it official.

Let us wait hopefuls... It will be well in the end.

#Amoptimistic

Marvel64:


It’s ok. You have done noble. Let the house decide what they want to do with the updates provided. I initially didn’t want to say anything concerning the location of the APLs but did so because of some curious persons.

I want you to understand that it’s no longer business as usual where most sources got first hand information so easily at the initial stages of the recruitment. The two staff chosen by Mr Tata to assist him are loyal, strict and professional. You have to be very close, I mean really close for them to give provide you updates. They go as far as providing adulterated information to sources in a bid to confuse them because of the tension and pressure. Some sources even lie to some candidates they discovered that didn’t make the final list, thereby giving them false hope. These sources have a stake in this recruitment and don’t want to be compromised. Some persons must be wondering who I am and all will be revealed in due time, but that doesn’t mean what I say must be accepted. It’s subject to debate.

Those that post their emails and names on this thread should please stop doing so. There is a DPR spy monitoring what is being said here and that could implicate you and your source. Remember post what is necessary and don’t provide what could negatively affect your source especially when the info provided by you is known by a small circle.

Everything will be fine. When they are done playing games, they will contact you guys.




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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 11:42pm On Jul 02, 2018
@Marvel, thank you loads for staying to give us information, it has really been helpful at least to calming down nerves.

Marvel64:


Nice one!

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 11:19pm On Jul 02, 2018
At least @Fachuba you are confirming @Marvel position that APLs are ready, and are already being dispatched to zonal/field offices... Then, let us wait to see the outcome of this week.

Goodluck to everyone one of us.

Marvel64:


Nice one!

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 11:40pm On Jun 30, 2018
Deep thought, @ Marvel I perfectly understand what you are insinuating... Hmm! You really smart...
BTW... If you know you know

Marvel64:


Don’t get me wrong guys, It’s just an observation. Something doesn’t seem right here, I noticed that babagy823 known as babagy82 at that time had provided an information that didn’t go well with the house few days before the release of OND APLs and now the same event is happening.

I just wanted everyone to understand that by next week everything will be over. Thanks
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 8:45pm On Jun 29, 2018
I choose to believe you, I am waiting for the news next week...

BTW... So much love you confidence and comportment kiss

Marvel64:
Thanks all for your contributions. I don’t want to make any comment concerning the dispatch of APLs for certain reasons. Don’t be concerned about it’s location anymore because everything will be concluded next week.

Firstly, your APLs were ready on the 22nd June, 2018, you can confirm this from your source that is privy to this info. I didn’t want to reveal this at that time because the circle was so small that knew about it, but it’s no longer news.

Moving forward, don’t let your attention be diverted by what FCC is saying regarding the rejection of the final list and I gave reasons on my previous posts. It has been approved and please relax and look forward to next week Monday (July 2nd), since nothing has taken place today (June 29th), I repeat both dates stated were chosen by Mr Tata. Also don’t forget July 3rd that was provided by someone else on this thread. The recruitment will come to an end next week.

I wish everyone the best.

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 2:44pm On Jun 28, 2018
@Marvel, thank you so much for your continued effort in getting in information for us to atleast know what is happening.
In one way, even those debunking have gotten one or two information(s) to make them still hope in this recruitment.

Like you said, the variability of the exact date though shouldn't be our concern, but rather to pray to be among the favoured one after waiting for this long time.

With the claim that merit is really considered and only few among the thousands will be considered, then it is really a tight competition, this which no one can determine his/her fate from perceived performance in both interview and aptitude test.

Only favour and grace can speak for one... I pray for myself to be among the successful...

What about you


Marvel64:

To those that are patiently waiting for the possible dates to come and go, please don’t waste your precious time hoping for that to happen rather channel your energy towards praying to the Almighty to be among the successful ones. Don’t be too concerned about the resumption date when you not sure of making the final list. I would like to thank @chideozi for your post that addressed this issue.

I repeat again, the information I provide is subject to debate and prove your point by providing the house with updates. Don’t feel bitter about what people post because you don’t know the length some persons have gone and effort put in to gather such info rather make significant contributions that will benefit all. If you have nothing to contribute, just read, disregard or accept what has been posted. Someone said something about the successful ones being contacted today, I said 29th June and 2nd July and another provided 3rd July, which is fine and a good sign that the recruitment is coming to an end soon.

Good luck to everyone.




Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 11:32pm On Jun 27, 2018
Hmmm... Your first post here

Let see sha

masaud:
my people don't worry urself 4 all dis debate. successful ones wl receive sms/email by God's Grace 2moro. best wishes
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 9:32pm On Jun 24, 2018
Thank you for this update...

Hmmm! I am waiting for the best.

@ AIZubar, please don't fail this tym... Hope you understand grin

Marvel64:
Good evening guys,

Hope everyone had a great weekend.

Updates!!!

Mr Tata has included other dates for contacting the successful ones and collection of APLs which are June 29th and July 2nd. Reasons were not given but further said that June 25th is still possible.

APLs from HQ will be dispatched to zonal and field offices for pick up. Those that have contacts in these offices should verify tomorrow if it has been received.

Good luck guys!!!










Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 7:53pm On Jun 22, 2018
Now that football is over, is there any new update about DPR and APLs?

Our dear informants, over to you.

Thanks.

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 7:52pm On Jun 22, 2018
Now that football is over... Any news about DPR today or still same as we left it yesterday.?

Over to our informants.

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 1:44am On Jun 22, 2018
This act depicts maturity and taking responsibility for one's action... This is highly commendable.

Your post on this thread and comportment relay how people should react to divergent views from others, no need to claim superiority, Jez stay on your on lane, while welcoming others too.

Thank you once again for all your information, and particularly how you display maturity even in the midst of contrary views to yours. And also not being discouraged, nor angrily counter other informants view coz of perceived attack on your information.

To me, I personally like your disposition and confidence.



Marvel64:
I would like to apologise for the information I posted this evening that may have caused tension and panic. I understand clearly that some persons can’t handle the truth. Please disregard and wait for the approved date.

The recruitment was fair and transparent and I want to reiterate that Mr. Tata is a man of integrity and has made effort to ensure that the best hands have been selected that can add more value to the system irrespective of whether some have received APLs or not at this time. People should share information that can benefit others. Everything said on this thread is subject to debate even if you are a DPR staff or consultant. Seeking popularity shouldn’t be anyone’s top priority, it would only defeat the purpose of this thread.

Please those with first hand info should share, this is a faceless forum. Don’t be afraid to do so. Thank you.

Good luck guys!

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 11:58am On Jun 21, 2018
OK thanks @ Takon231.

But it seems you are yet to complete the narrative from the bolded.

Will appreciate if you can attend to it and complete it.

Takon231:


Extract from report on exercise:

It is pertinent to note that during the process, the applicants were interviewed based on the fact that, they applied as graduate trainees (G.T) or as experienced hire. (G.H).
3. CRITERIA/PROCEDURE FOR GRADING:
The set out criteria/ procedure for interviewing and grading the applicants were:
* TWO GENERAL QUESTIONS (Might be asked one)
* TWO PROFESSIONAL QUESTIONS FROM AREA OF SPECIALIZATION/FIELD OF STUDY (Might be asked one).
* MASTERS DEGREE ETC.
* MEMBERSHIP OF PROFESSIONAL BODIES
* COMPORTMENT
* YEARS OF EXPERIENCE(At least 5years for experience hire)
The number of applicants that were short listed and the authentic number of applicants that showed up/ present for the interview were analyzed as follows:

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 7:03pm On Jun 20, 2018
Legend90:
1. Coc has been issued
2. Nothing is coming out on Monday
3. Expect APL's within the next 2 weeks God willing
4. APL's wont have your postings, until you have accepted before you find out where you will be placed
5. Anyone that doesnt believe, expect disappointment on monday and remember I told you so

AIZubar, over to you, start the countdown, and do well to tell us when the real date will fall

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 11:21pm On Jun 17, 2018
@Marvel,

What do you see to this.

First my field of study BSc.Engineeing Physics and applied for Physicist/Geophysicist position as that is the only position that applies to me.

My interview goes thus and am still really baffles with it coz people have said they asked them many questions, but mine is like this...

Got there and have the introductory speech. Then the next question was the technical part, asking me to tell them about principle behind boiling which I took tym to explain and got deeper, yes it is a satisfactory and direct answer, after which the man said thank you for letting them, but that he will ask me a question that is difficult too, which is the current affair part.
Asked me where I was born, the particular LG, and then ask me to tell me who created the LG, with the hope that I will fail it, thank to God something just ask me to browse it on my way to the venue, so I told him the answer and he was dazed.
Eventually with that response, he told me he doesn't have any questions again for, me the other person ask back question from technical part which I have answered to see if am sure of what I said, and I told him yes, ask again and told him am sure... So I then said any more questions, to which the three said no more questions for me.

NB. I don't want to state what I perceived them discussing before I leave, and the other man inputting score, I perceived it is positive, although I cannot tell the real thing... But he then adviced that with my grade and everything, I should work towards engaging myself with a strong professional body, to which I told him am looking forward to joining NSE.

I said this to Jez say that there could Jez be many things they the interviewer are looking at...
I only Jez hope all works well for one...

#Amoptimistic
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 8:34pm On Jun 17, 2018
Now I get it perfectly. Thank you for the clarification, however Physicist/Geophysicist is the position advertised, no position for Geophysics, just to mention.

From all you said, I don't have any issue with my course and position applied for. All is well and very optimistic of being successful.

Marvel64:


Position: Geophysics

1. Let’s assume 40 candidates participated in the interview for the above position are from IMO, RIVERS, BAYELSA.

2. Assume available vacancies for the position is 10.

3. Assume IMO , RIVERS , BAYELSA have 7, 10 and 12 slots respectively.

4. Now Among the 40 candidates, weed out those with course of study not relating to the position applied.

5. Use what is left to check if they came out tops in their respective states. i.e among the top 7 in Imo, 10 in Rivers and 12 in Bayelsa. Weed out the rest that don’t meet this requirement.

6. If there’s are two or more people from the same LGA in the individual states pick the best among them.

7. If at the end of the day you are left with 20 candidates. Pick the best 10 using their average score to fill the vacancy for the Geophysics position.

I hope this helps.

Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 8:12pm On Jun 17, 2018
Somehow somehow, I just happened to have Tami phone contact, though never had called her and still won't... It just amazing and now from her post today it was confirmed.

Anyways I wish us all success in life
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 6:24pm On Jun 17, 2018
Marvel64:


I’ve given a clue in my previous post. People on this thread have questions that needs answers. I just did the needful. Some persons have checked their names on the list, I suggest you do same and worry less about a specified date. The date you seek will not make any difference.

Thanks

@ Marvel64. Please kindly help me understand how this FCC thing works. I will cite a scenario here.

1. Let say they,DPR allocated 18 slots for Physicist/Geophysics post in this recruitment, are you saying the 18 slots will be shared amongst the 6 geo-political zone, with each having three each?

2. If for example SW has 3 slots for the above position, will the highest scoring candidate in that zone who applied for the said position be considered for the post, regardless the rank of highly others from his/her state score? Or is it that the highest scoring candidates as against the slot slated for the state, determines which field is eventually picked?

3. If my no. 2 is not the case, can you please enlighten me on how it is done.

Thanks as I await you comment and clarifications.
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Department Of Petroleum Resources - 2016 Graduate Trainee &experienced Hire Job by Crane1: 10:58pm On Jun 16, 2018
I can see Tamihawtt viewing this thread... Oya drop something

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